#minisa whent

[asoiafwomensource]

Mothers of POV characters from A Song of Ice and Fire (sigils by @johnjennetteart)

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[gothgleek]

Minisa Whent my love

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[rinignis]

Do yall ever think about the tully siblings childhoods???

Before years of animosity set in, you could find tiny versions of cat and lysa splashing around in the river bank with their septa watching fondly on the shore.

Do you ever think of cat and lysa creeping into her mothers room after she's given birth, excited to see her new sibling. How she hesitates to fully go in as her sister pushes past her to rush to their mother and how both sisters melt at the sight of their brother.

Do you think about lysa trying to get edmure to speak her name first? lysa sneaking into the nursery late at night and whispering to the babe all the thing she can't wait for them to do together.

do you ever think of catelyn, having just turned 14, clutching her siblings close when they are given the news their mother died? how the three of them sit, waiting for their father to come and comfort them.

I often think about the next day, when the three of them wake up with their bodies aching both from the floor they slept on and the cold realization that they lost their father as well as their mom

#catelyn tully #catelyn stark #lysa tully #lysa arryn #edmure tully #minisa whent #hoster tully #house tully #gameofthronesdaily #a game of thrones #game of thrones #asoiaf

[clytemnaestraes]

Ladies of House Tully

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[housetullysource]

Minisa Tully lady of Riverun

Catelyn Stark lady of Winterfell

Lysa Arryn lady of the Vale

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[queenalicentofravka]

Minisa Whent

#pre asoiaf #valyrian scrolls #valyrianscrolls #minisa whent #minisa tully

[atopvisenyashill]

is it okay that this lady is in the dead ladies club?

i simply wanted the excuse to talk about the moms. i'm not including ashara, elia, or lyanna in this, because the last two are plot relevant deaths and ashara's is left purposefully mysterious I think because we are going to get some sort of answer there (not even implying "lemore is ashara" here, i think the fact that we have conflicting info on her does mean something about her baby being relevant to the tower of joy, which means howland or bran/the weirwood hivemind are going to reveal that to us. will it be a huge reveal that shakes the earth? i mean, probably not, but i do think it will be relevant).

let’s gooo-

joanna lannister is a dead mom with some narrative weight to her. all three lannisters think about how different their lives might have been, define themselves by the gaping absence of her in their life, and the fact that jaime commits more violence in the riverlands, convinces himself it’s a job well done, and of all people it’s his MOTHER who comes to him in a dream just to be like “this is your conscious speaking, you’re a fucking idiot get your life together dude,” you really feel that this is a family that was wrecked by the loss of their mother at a young age. it Is noticeable that we don’t get much of an idea of her personality compared to the men tho.

can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, i think this is a well thought out dead mom, i simply wish she had slightly more characterization than “loving mom & wife.”

minisa whent gets less characterization, i think bc we only have cat as insight into her, so i can sort of forgive that, esp since i do think it’s noticeable that for all cat is really fuckijg busy most of the time, she does think about her mother and wonder if she would have been happier with her mother around. lysa & edmure only get to be Like That because they really had no adult taking care of them except cat who was still all but a child herself, so you can feel minisa’s absence in the characterization of her children and the damage her death did to the tully siblings.

can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, i think this is a well thought out dead mom, although once again i wish we had the opportunity to get information on the type of person she was outside of "loving mother." i do think that minisa and joanna are meant to mirror each other in this way though - they died so young that they are forever frozen in the minds of their children as these paragons of goodness, as a reminder of where their lives went wrong, and what might have happened if things had been a little less sad for them.

what’s interesting about loreza nymeros martell is that we don’t even know what her actual name IS or her age or when she died AND YET despite how little time we spend with characters that knew her, Doran names her as an influence on him and quotes her, and this scene - “this is your kingdom” in the water gardens - is usually pointed to as one of those scenes that are The Point Of The Series. the writing around her is certainly clunky but at least you can tell there was thought put into the kind of person doran’s mother was and how she might have influenced doran's life. i also think it's notable here that we know she was up to things besides giving birth - she was a lady at court, she was friendly with joanna and rhaella, she was attempting to engage her kids to non dornish lords so she was clearly very pro-Dorne Being Involved as opposed to having an isolationist bent. we know a decent amount about her personality, and we don't even know who she marries, which is honestly kind of funny - so many of these characters only think about their fathers yet doran only thinks of his mother.

can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, but we are deducting points for not having arianne think about her at all and also still not knowing her name.

cassana eastermont is a question mark but to be fair,,,,,so is steffon and that is kind of the point of both of them. cassana and steffon were at court, and then died, so like the other siblings of this era, the baratheon boys grew up Without An Adult In The Room except for Maester Cressen. the tragedy of Cressen being helpless to keep his boys together, and dying in a vain attempt to save what’s left of stannis and renly’s souls, it doesn’t really work if any of them have a lot of fond memories that they dwell over of cassana or steffon. and no one has any real idea how aware steffon was of the whisperings of rebellion against aerys because they’re so absent from the narrative, it’s funny that their son then became the face of that rebellion despite steffon’s targaryen mother. BUT. yeah it does objectively suck that we don’t know what cassana was up to before she had her first baby and then she dies, bc at least we know steffon was alive and doing shit, we’re just fuzzy on what. cassana begins and ends as a wife and mother, that really sucks and i wish we had gotten a single person throwaway commenting about her.

can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, but i think if we had some throwaway lines about her, as an example, fostering at Storm's End so Rhaelle had some female company (since she had no daughters, and only the one son) and her and Steffon met and married that way, so that we know she existed before becoming a mother.

rhaella targaryen is an interesting example because we not only have several characters who remark on her and knew her, we actually get a significant amount of characterization for her. she was clearly romantic enough to entertain fantasies of running off with bonifer hasty and yet pragmatic enough to not pull a stunt like that. "mindful of her duty" as it's put, but also rebelling against her brother-husband in ways by being openly kind to rhaegar and embracing rhaenys and elia. stubborn enough to crown viserys on dragonstone. a loving mother whose loss broke viserys' mind. but...like did she have to die in childbirth? did daenerys have to have no memories of her whatsoever? would it not have been perfectly within the plot george wanted if rhaella and ser willem darry were with her, and died of a fever at the same time?

can she stay in the dead ladies club? no, i think it's really annoying and dumb that rhaella dies on dragonstone giving birth to dany. i dont think it changes the plot in any way if rhaella had stayed alive for four or five years after dany's birth, and if dany thought about her mother from time to time. it is honestly one of the my Main quibbles with this series, that dany never thinks about the women in her family when she thinks of leaders and rulers, only the men.

lyarra stark is in my opinion the most egregious example of a woman in the dead ladies club. no personality, no in canon mentions of her, no idea when she dies, george didn't even think about her until twoiaf. there were theories and mystery surrounding her and the answer was "george did not think she was relevant" and it sure is fun and intersting to look at which dead characters are irrelevant and which ones get characterization (see comments about steffon vs cassana). i get wanting most of the grandparents to be dead by the end of robert's rebellion - a lot of the point is that the sets of siblings from the rebellion era are very isolated from their childhoods, signified by the losses of their parents and especially their mothers (as motherhood and childhood are kind of intrinsically linked together). but why did she have to die before the rebellion? why does ned never once think about her? why must it always be the mother who is inconsequential while the father makes history? to throw george's own words at him, the woman is important too!

can she stay in the dead ladies club? no, there's just no reason why she couldn't have lived to the rebellion, been the Stark in Winterfell alongside Benjen, and died during the war, either of grief, shock, or potentially even after an attempt at finding lyanna herself goes awry.

#motherhood #minisa whent #loreza nymeros martell #the unnamed princess of dorne #joanna lannister #cassana estermont #getting on my soap box #the dead ladies club #lyarra stark #rhaella targaryen #once again i say. bored at work.

[coldraindropsss]

Roslin Frey, Minisa Tully "Whent"

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[rikakore]

Minisa Whent-Tully

The Whents are such a fun house, they live in a HAUNTED CASTLE and their sigil is a BAT. The Whents are vampires headcanon confirmed (there's a Lady Stoneheart vampire theory here somewhere) .

I didn't really want to portray Minisa as sweet or diminutive. I can't see anyone who grew up in Harrenhall of all places to not have some fangs. You can be a beloved wife and mother and also be creepy AF.

The Riverlands pre-rebellion to me are the epitome of Post-Roman Pre-Anglo Saxon fashion in the Scottish isles. Gallic influences mingling with drapery, rich dyes, and fine metalwork. Post-Rebellion, there's less of an anti-Targ backlash style-wise, simply because there's less of a stark (ha) difference between the Riverlands and KL. Nobles begin to prefer less draping in favour of tighter tailoring and heavier embroidery, but that's about it.

I feel like if anyone would preserve a stylistic time capsule like Druidic face paint for centuries after the conquest, it would be vassal houses surrounding a superstitious and mystical place like Harrenhall.

Rickard-Lyarra Brandon Ned Lyanna Benjen Jon Arya

Minisa Hoster Catelyn Edmure Lysa Robb Sansa Bran Rickon Robin

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[asoiafreadthru]

HOSTER TULLY, Lord of Riverrun,

His wife, [LADY MINISA, of House Whent], died in childbed,

Their children:

CATELYN, the eldest daughter, wed to Lord Eddard Stark,

LYSA, the younger daughter, wed to Lord Jon Arryn,

SER EDMURE, heir to Riverrun,

His brother, SER BRYNDEN, called the Blackfish,

His household:

MAESTER VYMAN, counselor, healer, and tutor,

SER DESMOND GRELL, master-at-arms,

SER ROBIN RYGER, captain of the guard,

UTHERYDES WAYN, steward of Riverrun,

His knights and lords bannermen:

JASON MALLISTER, Lord of Seagard,

PATREK MALLISTER, his son and heir,

WALDER FREY, Lord of the Crossing,

His numerous sons, grandsons, and bastards,

JONOS BRACKEN, Lord of the Stone Hedge,

TYTOS BLACKWOOD, Lord of Raventree,

SER RAYMUN DARRY,

SER KARYL VANCE,

SER MARQ PIPER,

SHELLA WHENT, Lady of Harrenhal,

SER WILLIS WODE, a knight in her service.

Lesser houses sworn to Riverrun include Darry, Frey, Mallister, Bracken, Blackwood, Whent, Ryger, Piper, and Vance.

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[gothgleek]

The research that led me to my Baratheon escoiffin post also let me discover a style resembling bat ears that would be perfect for House Whent. I can imagine her wearing this in the Riverlands when she feels homesick. She just colors it with the House Tully colors (that she gives a goth edge because House Whent is the local goth chapter of the Riverlands).

Credit goes to @15-lizards inspiring the Riverlands clothing.

#minisa whent #house whent #minisa Tully #house Tully #game of thrones #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #got #fanart #fashion history #asoiaf fashion #mine

[melrosing]

any minisa tully headcannons? It would be interesting if she lived and couldnt have any more kids rather than her dying in childbirth with twins.

hmm not really tbh! I’ve kind of imagined Hoster being fonder of her than she was of him, and that she wanted daughters more than she wanted to give him a son. And that she really encouraged the closeness between Cat and Lysa. But I think like Cat she was very practical about the words of ‘family, duty, honour’ and took her role as lady of Riverrun v seriously

#ask #minisa whent

[goodqueenaly]

It has just occured to me that Hoster Tully and Minisa Whent’s marriage seems a little strange. The Freys are similarly powerful, yet still looked down upon for their ‘mere’ six centuries ennobled. The Westerlings are an ancient house now ‘tainted’ by a marriage with the Spicers. The Whents are far younger than the Freys, and Minisa’s pedigree is likely even less impressive than Jeyne Westerling’s. Why do you think nobody commented on Hoster’s marriage to Minisa, or considered Catelyn and her siblings tainted by their mother’s pedigree?

I think it's worth keeping in mind the status of Harrenhal as a lordship. It's not just that Harrenhal is itself the largest and most imposing castle in the entire country (although it is), but the lordship also brings with it "lands broad and rich and fertile". It's not simply Littlefinger's relatively lowborn ambition which leads him to believe that gaining Harrenhal would "make [him] one of the greatest lords in the realm"; Tywin himself lambasts Cersei's grant of Harrenhal to Janos Slynt because "[t]he man's father was a butcher" and Harrenhal "was the seat of kings!" (emphasis in original). Being given Harrenhal automatically, indeed virtually retroactively raises whatever family holds it to high lordly position, almost equivalent with the paramount Houses in dynastic and political pedigree (as long as they had some aristocratic status to begin with, of course - Janos Slynt the butcher's son cannot compete in this respect); that family now has a mighty "ancestral" castle and lands to use for its sustenance just as any mighty Westerosi aristocrat would. Nor does this seem to have been untrue for the Whents in particular: the WOIAF app describes the Whents as "one of the wealthiest and most prestigious Houses of the Riverlands", while Barristan Selmy describes the last Lord Whent as being "as open handed as he was rich".

In that sense, the Whents can be distinguished from both the Freys and the Westerlings. The Whents may or may not be any older as a family than the Freys (we only know their origins as knights in service to the Lothstons, but they could very well have been around before the Lothstons received Harrenhal themselves, and again the grant of Harrenhal gives these aristocrats something like automatic grand ancestry), but unlike the Freys who gain their income from something like trade (the horror!) via their toll bridge, the Whents respectably (heavy sarcasm) earn their wealth from feudal working of the land; these are not the "toll collectors" so snubbed by the (disguised) blue-blood bastard Bloodraven, but great lords of a great castle in the proper Westerosi mold. Too, while the Westerlings boast ancient descent from the First Men and splendidly aristocratic credentials (at least without the recent Spicer marriage so disparaged by the Lannisters), their income does little to reinforce their position: as Tyrion notes, the Westerlings have "more pride than power", with their "mines ha[ving] failed years ago", "their best lands [having] been sold off or lost", and the Crag having become "more ruin than stronghold". The Whents gained both status and income from Harrenhal, making them I think perfectly acceptable as the source of a bride for the heir to House Tully.

Too, it may be worth considering the immediate geopolitical context of the marriage between Hoster and Minisa. If we assume that they married around the end of the 250s or very early 260s (given that Catelyn, who was born around 264 AC, was their third child but the first to survive infancy), then Hoster's father might still have been thinking about the abortive betrothal around two decades before between Jaehaerys Targaryen and Celia Tully (who may have been Hoster's father's sister). The insult had stung, and while we don't know how Aegon V tried to appease Riverrun (if at all) in the aftermath, Lord Tully may have wanted to give a symbolic cold shoulder to King's Landing in turn (which perhaps is also why baby Brynden was so named). A marriage between the Whents of Harrenhal and the future Tully Lord of Riverrun would not only encourage Harrenhal to side with its Tully overlords (especially against the crown which had nominally granted Harrenhal to the Whents only a generation or two ago), but also give Riverrun a strong source of protection on its eastern border - that is, in the direction of the capital.

I also tend to headcanon (although this is very much only a heacanon, not yet confirmed and not ever guaranteed to be so) that Minisa Whent was a younger daughter of the second (and penultimate) Lord Whent, and so arguably heiress presumptive to Harrenhal after Shella and her children. In that sense, Hoster's father may have also been looking to snatch up Harrenhal in the future for his own grandson. If Lady Shella proved incapable of ruling Harrenhal in her own right (and Lord Tully may have been thinking of both standard Westerosi patriarchal assumptions and the relatively recent example of Mad Danelle Lothston, last of the Lothstons to rule Harrenhal), then he as the Whents' regional overlord could very naturally step in and redistribute Harrenhal to, say, a younger son of Hoster and Minisa (and, pointedly, without the crown's intervention). This plan would effectively give the Tullys (who, remember, were never kings in their own right - an important factor behind their being named suzerain of the Riverlands) a "seat of kings", to use Tywin's parlance, and control of both the domain itself and the greatest castle within that domain.

#asoiaf meta #marriage making #hoster tully #minisa whent

[housetullysource]

Minisa Tully

Lady Minisa Tully had died in childbed, trying to give Lord Hoster a second son. The baby had perished with her, and afterward some of the life had gone out of Father. She was always so calm, Catelyn thought, remembering her mother's soft hands, her warm smile. If she had lived, how different our lives might have been

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[maid-with-sunset-in-her-hair]

Etymology of the Tully’s Names

Hoster: most likely an invented name derived from the word host, probably a world building reference to the importance of guest right.

Minisa: either a misspelling of the Greek name Melissa (bee, honey) or a reference to the Minisa Symphony Orchestra in Wichita, with minisa being a Chippewa word meaning "red water at sunset."

Brynden: probably invented from the Welsh name and surname Bryn (hill). Brynden also sounds exactly like the Spanish verb brinden (to drink a toast, to offer, to dedicate). It could also be a misspelling of Brandon, which derivated from the Irish name Breandán (prince, king, chieftain).

Lysa: a misspelling of Lisa, which could be the short form of the Hebrew name Elizabeth (my God is an oath, my God is abundance), the Hebrew name Aliza (joyful) or the Greek name Melissa (bee, honey). The last one would explain why there’s so many honeycomb references in the Eyrie’s descriptions.

Edmure: a misspelling of Edmund, an Old English name composed by the words ēad (wealth, fortune, prosperous) and mund (protector). Basically the same meaning as Edward. It could also be an anagram of the word “demure.”

Roslin: it could be a misspelling of the Old German name Rosalind (gentle, tender horse) or the Old German/Spanish name Rosalinda (beautiful rose). I think one of the Freys made an angry comment about Edmure wanting to count her teeth like a horse before they married.

#asoiaf #my meta #valyrianscrolls #hoster tully #brynden tully #minisa whent #edmure tully #roslin frey #lysa tully

[atopvisenyashill]

What would happen if Joanna Lannister, Lyarra Stark, and Minisa Tully all lived? How would they impact their children's lives?

Joanna’s children may still fall to generational curses, but dammit Joanna is gonna at least confront the problem instead of ignore it. Tyrion has a marginally easier life; I don't think she's going to just embrace him completely, but basically anything is better than Tywin. I think Joanna will insist on ending the incest, which puts Jaime in a better position, but for Cersei it kinda depends on the prophecy. the Joanna-Cersei question is always the most interesting to me because of how deeply Cersei hates most other women; can Joanna help Cersei calm a bit, convince her Tyrion is harmless, help her deal with being married to an awful man? Or does Cersei split on her own mother, too traumatized and mentally unwell to see the truth in her ownn mother's face? I can't say, but I think it would be fascinating to see Cersei deal with a female relative that isn't Myrcella. Regardless of all that, Joanna being at Casterly Rock during Robert’s Rebellion is an interesting change - does she hold a grudge against Aerys and urge him to join the rebels?

Minisa changes everything for Lysa. She would be much more well adjusted, looked after, and loved with her mother there, that even the feeling of being in Cat’s shadow may well be fixed simply by having a parent around who is kind to her. Edmure probably has a lot less “look at me im a real man” issues which is only a benefit because he’s already one of the better lords in the series. Cat is most affected by this - she doesn't get the sort of "lady of riverrun" training she got in the main series, but at the same time, she has a mother to show her how to be a lady. Is she still as headstrong? Still as dutiful? And with Minisa running around, does Shella Whent have a potential ally to hide out with in the Riverlands?

Ned is infinitely less lost after the war with his mother still there. We know the least about Lyarra than we do the others because Ned never thinks of her (and we also don't know whether or not Ned told Benjen about the Lyanna/Jon situation, or whether Benjen pieced it together) but she's a Flint and a Stark, so I think even if Ned doesn't tell her everything and she doesn't piece the truth together, it's possible she helps ease things when he gets home. Cares for Jon so he has a maternal figure around, pushes for him to be sent to her cousins in the mountains. Does Osha attempt to escape Winterfell alongside Lyarra? I think this is where Lyarra would affect things the most; we know Osha and Rickon went for Skagos to hide, but with Lyarra there, would she insist on sending them to the Flints of the mountains, somewhere much safer for them? Would she insist instead on traveling with Bran? Would she maybe even insist on going to Jon, to warn him of the Others, and get there to find her grandson already planning?

There's a lot of factors but I think the characters that would benefit the most from having a mother/grandmother around are Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei's grandchildren, & Lysa, & Ned and Jon, possibly Bran and Rickon. It's not to say they would fix everything, but having the Lords Paramount of three different regions all dead with their wives still alive and fighting is so interesting to think about during the War of Five Kings.

#valyrianscrolls #the dead ladies club #minisa whent #lyarra stark #joanna lannister #mothers and sons #mothers and daughters #asks #anons