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irenicism-aesthetics · 5 months
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𖦹 ׂ 𓈒 ^-^ / ⋆ ۪ Gemini, infp 4w5, cat lover moodboard
for my friend <3
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weird-redbird · 2 years
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Gatekeeping and my enneagram (4w5)
IF YOU GATEKEEP OR HAVE GATEKEPT YOU MAY BE A TYPE FOUR. I'm talking about unimportant random hobbies, apps, books, cool websites, music, whatever you get the point.
When I was a kid I was a full blown gatekeeper. I hated sharing my toys with my sister. I kept what book series I read a secret so that the characters could be "mine" and when my sister found out I told her she wasn't allowed to read it. It wasn't just my sister, either though. When I wrote a short story in 5th grade I made my best friend promise not to copy my writing and not to start a story similar to it (In hindsight I was a pretty toxic kid). I started expanding my music taste in middle school but rarely told anyone what songs/bands I truly liked. I got tumblr, pinterest, and I found a bunch of cool online games and websites. No surprise, I kept those to myself too. Anyways you get the point.
Eventually I realized that gatekeeping stuff like that wasn't so cool because I couldn't share a lot of interests with others and I felt bad because I knew someone would enjoy something I "found". I became more self aware of when I was gatekeeping and stopped doing it so often.
Now I think this is a great example of how I fit as a 4 enneagram type. My gatekeeping as a kid and desire to gatekeep now (I'm working on it) shows me the negative effect of having the basic desire as an enneagram 4: to be unique/individual.
Keeping the characters, music, toys, etc. to myself was my way of separating myself from others and forming individuality.
For example in my little kid brain: I am unique and therefore cool because I am the only person I know irl who listens to this awesome band.
This petty gatekeeping didn't have too big of an effect on my friends/family because they usually didn't have enough of an interest to "disobey me". My sister didn't read the books until years later, along with my parents listening to the music.
However, my best friend did in fact write a short story that started off very similar to mine. This made me very upset and frustrated. She said she wouldn't! But I can't tell her to stop writing because that'd be selfish. Can I? - Young gatekeeper me being slightly self aware. In this situation, I was negatively effected. My emotions were negative and I was stressed out because my gatekeeping didn't work and I felt I lost my individuality in that tiny aspect.
But, when my gatekeeping did work, I was happy being "special" and "cool" and "different"... until I realized it kept me from being able to talk to others about my interests. Then, when some crazy plot twist in a book made when wanna talk someone's ears off, I shut up (and grew frustrated).
I think that these conflicting thoughts in young me's head depict a 4s struggle with individuality very well. The desire to be different but still form relations with mutual understanding.
In summary: My gatekeeping is an example of how an enneagram type 4's desire for uniqueness/individuality can lead to toxic behavior that negatively affects both themself and others.
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typologysoup · 2 years
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It’s so weird being a 458 with a soc dom + sp-blind bc i don’t relate to any of that “dark scholar” stuff I’m just a half ass cartoon villain like the ice king
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bangtanfancamp · 2 years
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Both 4w5 ????? this is the most amazing discovery of my entire life 🤭
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coruscatingdust · 9 months
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I wanted "peace," to be left alone in my underground world. Real life oppressed me with its novelty so much that I could hardly breathe.
Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground
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rainytypology · 7 months
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Enneagram Type 4
An overview of an enneagram type. Not an expert. May change later.
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Type 4
Center: Heart/Image/Shame
Other triads: Reactive, Withdrawn, Frustration
Basic motivation: Create a unique identity, make personal significance
Basic fear: Being forgotten, not feeling important
Wings: 4w3, 4w5
Disintegration/stress: 2
Integration/growth: 1
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Traits
- Strengths -
In tune with emotions
Expressive and creative
Have an eye for beauty/aesthetics
Empathetic
Tries to be genuine, be themselves
- Weaknesses -
Can be moody and overly sensitive
Self conscious
Feel defective
Can be self pitying
Focus too much on themselves
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Wings
- 4w3 -
The 3 wing adds a spit of spark to the typically melancholic 4 core. A bit more outgoing and friendly. May feel envious of others more often. Want to have validation and praise for their unique accomplishments. 3 wing helps them set goals, which are usually aligned with expression and creativity. 4s want to make a mark/influence on the world and 3 wants to be successful in making that mark. They want their uniqueness to be seen.
- 4w5 -
4 and 5 are both withdrawn types, so it's no surprise 4w5s are often introverted and/or private. Independent type who does what they want. Can intellectualize their emotions. Can get lost in their own world as they are focused on building their creativity and skills rather than focusing on relationships.
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Disintegration: 2
Disintegration to 2 can cause a 4 to lose sense of their independence, instead throwing themselves into relationships. They want to be rescued somehow without putting much effort into building genuine connections. Very clingy and intrusive.
Integration: 1
Integration to 1 can cause a 4 to become more objective and more bold to take actions towards their desired goals and dreams. They learn not to be trapped in their self absorptions. They learn to control/balance their feelings so they are less moody. Integrating 4s have a desire to contribute to the world and make a better difference rather than simply only doing things they want whenever they want.
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Subtypes of 4
- Sp 4 -
Sp 4 is the most internalized and least expressive about their pain and suffering compared to the typical 4. They learn to deal with it by themselves. They want to be recognized and accepted for being so "tough" for not complaining about going through heavy things. They may instead look for those who are visibly suffering in order to provide empathy and help for them.
- Sx 4 -
Sx 4 is the most expressive and intense. They want to be their most authentic selves and chase after their desires. They are very deliberate in trying to attract others with their unique and genuine character - with the way they dress, act, any sort of self expression, they need people to like their uniqueness. They can be more assertive with their needs, which can be used to cover up the actual sadness they have inside. They have a deep need to prove they are worthy.
- So 4 -
So 4 is the most connected to their suffering and will openly show this. They compare themselves a lot to others and feel shame for not having the traits they envy. They want to be accepted but fear their flaws will drive people away. Inferiority and victim complex. There is a lot of inner conflict of wanting to be original and different but fearing having something wrong with them and longing for others acceptance.
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Enneagram list
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Side blogs:
Kpop astrology @rainy-astrology
Kpop fanarts @rainy-artworks
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moondustinfj · 5 months
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MBTI AND ENNEAGRAM ANALYSIS OF INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE CHARACTERS
Part 1
Louis de Pointe du Lac
Mbti
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Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
Infps are highly idealistic, sensitive and driven by their values
Especially because their leading function Fi (introverted feeling) allows them to be in tune with their emotions. Very much so that they are driven by their inner compass. They have a clear sense of right and wrong and it's not likely or easy for them to change their mind about something, especially moral issues
Armand: I would have made this woman a vampire. But I thought it best you have a hand in it. Otherwise you would not give Claudia up. You must know you wanted it
Louis: I loathe what I did!
Armand: Then loathe me, not yourself
Louis: No, you don't understand. You nearly destroyed the thing you value in me when this happened. I resisted you with all my power even when I didn't know it was your force which was working on me. Something nearly died in me! Passion nearly died in me! I was all but destroyed when Madeline was created!
Armand: But that thing is no longer dead, that passion, that humanity, whatever you wish to name it. If it were not alive there wouldn't be tears in your eyes right now. There wouldn't be rage in your voice
Infps are very emphatatic and sensitive. They want to make the world a better place and they try hard to help others
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"But why, with this passion and this sense of justice, do you wish to call yourself the child of Satan!" - Armand
Louis: I'm incapable of your detachment. I know what it is, and I do not possess it and I doubt that I ever will. I accept this
Armand: I understand. I saw you in the theatre, your suffering, your sympathy with that girl. I saw your sympathy for Dennis when I offered him to you; you die when you kill
They are introspective and they desire to find their meaning in life
"It's a terrible feeling, not knowing, not understanding, not being in control of your own destiny" - Louis
"I would have to know from what... from what it comes. Whether it came from other vampires...or elsewhere" - Louis
They focus on the big picture and are very intuitive
"No need to tell him what to observe, or what to remember. He always knew such things. Years ago, when I'd done the dark magic on him, I hadn't had to tell him anything; he had savored the smallest aspects of it all on his own. Then later he said I'd failed to guide him. Didn't he know how unnecessary that had always been?" - Lestat
With their strive for authenticity and their sensitivity, they look for ways to express themselves through art and stories
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Basic fear: that they have no meaning or significance
Basic desire: to have their own identity and purpose, their meaning
Type fours are sensitive, self aware and reserved. They are also prone to be moody and self conscious. They can suffer from self pity and melancholy
Type fours see themselves as fundamentally different from other people. More than any other type, they are acutely aware of their weaknesses and defiances. They see themselves as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed
And because they see themselves as so different, they feel like nobody can see their true selves and therefore no one can love them for who they really are
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"For the first time in my life, I was seen"
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They might romanticize pain and bittersweet feelings
"I think to be this happy is to be miserable, to feel this much satisfaction is to burn"
Type fours often feel like there is something missing in them that others possess. This thing can't be properly identified but they feel like there is a hole in them that can not be filled
"If I ever thought we have souls, mine is gone forever"
So they feel like with this thing missing, everyone but them can fully understand who they are and their meaning
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Type fours struggle to let go of their feelings from the past. They nurse their old wounds and hold onto their feelings about people who hurt them
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4w5 (four wing five): The Bohemian
This subtype is combined with type five. So they're more reserved than the usual type four. But they're also more observant and speculative
"Louis, the watcher, the patient one, was there on account of love pure and simple"
Overall, infps and type fours are generally sensitive, creative, melancholic, empathatic, understanding, authentic, emotionally expressive and introspective people
"Louis, whose green eyes are soulful, the very mirror of patient misery, soft voiced, very human, weak; having lived only two hundred years, unable to read minds, or to levitate, or to spellbind others except inadvertently, which can be hilarious, an immortal with whom mortals fall in love" -Armand
" And it occured to me. If Louis does end his life, if he does bring his supernatural journey to conclusion, how will I ever answer for it to Lestat or Armand? It was the love of Louis which had at times crippled Lestat, and enslaved Armand" - David
"The first thing I'd ever noticed about him-well, after his green eyes that is- was his black hair. No, all that's a lie. It was his expression; the passion and the innocence and the delicacy of conscience. I just loved it!" - Lestat
"If I knew a mortal of that sensitivity, that pain, that focus, I would make him a vampire in an instant. But such can rarely be done. No, I've had to wait and watch for you. And now I'll fight for you. Do you see how ruthless I am in love?" - Armand
"Louis, my handsome Louis, in his dark wool and old fashioned high-collared linen, gazing down on us with a look of thinly veiled amusement, but with a secret in his hypnotic green eyes" - Lestat
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blueopinions49 · 6 months
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Controversial Opinion
What’s the obsession with enneagram 4? I genuinely don’t get why there are so many people so obsessed with this type.
I get that there are some people that just romanticizes some of the mental illness aspects of them HOWEVER mental illness isnt an inherent E4 thing and neither is personal struggle I can see why they correlate that to 4s (maybe cuz of the pseudo depression naranjo described on his work however thats just a false image they portray so?) , which mostly stems from terrible understanding of the type. However the increase in mistypes? The obsession with the SX4 subtype? The obsession with the toxic aspects of E4? Idk I just don’t get it.
I’m asking from a place of genuine wonder cuz this has been going on for a long time. And I want some clarity as to why it happens.
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lemonthepotato · 2 months
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Collage of enneagram characters I made for an amino post.
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Edit: Replaced Chiaki with Napstablook. She’s an obvious 5 that I typed wrong.
Edit 2: Rarity is likely a 2w1, my apologies. Sera might be E6, I saw a good argument for her. I’ll make a part 3 going into subtypes.
Edit: Massive Update
Edit 2: Not sure if I’ll make the subtypes one. It’s taking so long to find all these different examples. I’ve only gotten to so5. Also Natsuki being E4 was a CRAZY take.
Edit 3: Nicole is a sp7 I just don’t feel like changing it. I was doing an analysis for this acc (coming… whenever) and reading subtype descriptions and nope, not a sp8.
Edit 4: No longer stand by Shion sx4. She’s a sx7. Probably, anyway.
Edit 5: Ok why did I think Adam was an 8? He’s a clear 7, right? Ugh, I give up. If I change my mind on something, I’ll just add it to this.
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sp6ghetti · 1 year
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Enneatype 4 summarised!!
Core type-  Passion: envy. E4s feel as though something is missing in their life. Whether this is a person, thing or feeling, they feel like others have achieved this while they stayed behind. Fixation: melancholy. Due to this loss, they feel like they don't belong amongst the people they assume have achieved this thing they want. They feel disconnected and unrelated to those. Trap: authenticity. E4s believe that that what is missing can come anytime. When it does come, they can finally feel fulfilled and authentic. Defence mechanism: introjection. To avoid ordinariness and keep their self image of being authentic, they take external negativity directed towards them and internalise them in a way that helps them feel in control of these critiques. Virtue: equanimity. They need to allow themselves to be happy in the present and with what they have, this is called equanimity. And so, they overcome their envy. Key traits: Inferior self-image, focus on suffering, emotional sensitivity and empathic ability, aesthetic sensibility, push-pull pattern in relationships.
Subtypes-  Self preservation [sp]: Sp4s are stoic and learned to stay strong during painful situations. Sp4s are extremely demanding of themselves, they work hard to achieve what they’re missing. When this ends up stressing them out, they won't show or tell anyone. Their suffering is constantly suppressed, they hope to find validation and love because of how strong and enduring they are. Sexual [sx]: Envy is very present in the sx4. They feel as though they’re constantly made to compete with others they should be better than. Despite suffering from the inferiority all e4s deal with, this is much more socially suppressed in sx4s. They feel as though they must be superior or their efforts aren't worth anything. Social [so]: So4s are kind of the stereotypical e4s. They feel as though their suffering and pain is a part of them, while they do tend to talk about it a lot, this is often seen as their only trait which is not true. They are convinced something is fundamentally wrong with them and due to this constantly compare themselves to others in hopes to figure out what this is.
Contradictions-  INTP, ISTP, ENTP, ESTP, INTJ, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, ENFJ The main contradiction in e4 is the thinking dichotomy. Similar to e2, e4s highly value emotions and feelings. This doesn’t mean they don't value logic nor that thinking types don't value emotion, it just means they prefer one over the other. Another contradiction is Fe dominance. This is due to external emotion and a desire to please the group.  Types you might want to look into if you are on this list are e2, e3, e5, e6, e7 and e9.
Compatible types- Self preservation: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ISFJ Social: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ENFP, ESFP Sexual: INFP, ISFP, ENFP, ESFP
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fnec · 2 years
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do u guys ever like discover ur type in another typology system and then just feel so cool and smart adding it into every bio u have like
"Hah oh yeah I'm a ILE ENTP (NeTi) [S]L/O/aI FEVL PBNV(4324) 7w8 739 sp/so sang-chol ph-phsa-ch "🧍🏾‍♀️
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5s are bigger sadbois than 4s. both are emo as fuck. 4 emos are crying out for their lost utopia and crying out for love. because they disintegrate into a 2 and idealize integration into the idealistic 1. 5 emos are like "its over. I can never be saved. the world is too big and crushing for me. lets bleed and die and become robots". they disintegrate into 7 where they are lost in the big picture and become sad about their lack of impact in the enormous world (because they lack the positivity of a true 7). and they idealize integration into 8 which is an over-embodied animal, a "beast" with zero idealism whatsoever. but they also seem to fear this greatly... ???
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enneagramgoodvibes · 6 months
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It doesn’t matter if it’s actually you’re enneagram type, if it’s what you feel like right now, then it’s what your pain point is, and you should work through it. If you’re still that type after, great, if you’re not, now you’re healthier and can keep looking.
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innammoratta · 2 years
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Enneagram Memes
Part Two
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coruscatingdust · 10 months
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I’m bruised by memories but grief is my healing balm. I drink in the tears with holy madness.
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phlve · 5 months
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The Enneagram of Divine Forms — Point 4: The Reasoner
Seriously do not know what they really are
Question everything with a constant ‘why’, trying to find a cause or a purpose to their own life and everything else
Always appear in a reflective manner
Searching for origins and finalities in a way that can be trivial and annoying
General attitude of anger and anxiety, of having ‘a chip on the shoulder’
Imagined projection of being painfully criticized by their father figure, provoking anxiety
Ego-delusion: living in a state of melancholia
Appear to be yearning for approval
Passion of envy: wanting to be one of those who succeed and receive the approval of others
Argumentative on one side and superficial on the other
Sublimation: their primary defense mechanism, by which unacceptable drives are diverted into manifestations that are socially acceptable, ex: instead of provoking a confrontation, angry and violent urges may be diverted into physical activity or misappropriated as God's will
Self-justification: because of their constant thinking and reasoning about life
Assert to themselves: ‘I am reasonable and informed’
Being ashamed of themselves
Ego-reaction: being discouraged by the critical attitude of others and the world
Ego-justification: being apprehensive about life
Deceptively living with certain aspects of corruption
Easygoing on one side and intolerant on the other
Source: @/if u seek amy on PDB
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