#edelgard discourse

[deathbirby]

What baffles me is why don't these so called "Agarthan stans" despise 3H? Because even if you want to believe that the Agarthans are these poor natives that were oppressed by the colonial Sothis, the game doesn't portray them that way. Even in CF, the route where you supposedly side with them, they still get wiped out in the end by Edel, and are shown as the "enemy of my enemy is my temp ally" way, not as these poor guys that deserve justice. It's like liking that Wizard game despite said game having that goblin rebellion and all the implications of that.

I dunno, I feel like this is just them trying to purity spiral on why them liking Edel makes them a supposed good person when nobody really cares about this shit and are only reacting angrily because trying to justify genocide, kidnapping and transforming people into monsters, racism, imperialism, and terrorism for the sake of a fictional character is not normal, at all.

Seriously, trying to make the Agarthans more sympathetic for the sake of making your uwu Ladle look better for allying with them doesn't mean anything when Ladle murders them all anyway.

And it's especially bad when defending the Agarthans means justifying their genocide, kidnapping, identity theft, imperialism, human experimentation, racism, imperialism, terrorism and abuse of nukes! That's not a good look like why do you think people are mad at you??

#grey borb #edelgard discourse #2 be safe #srsly anyone who defends the agarthans gets an immediate side eye from me #sus #why you defending them #they arent meant to be defended

[azure-clockwork]

I love three houses discourse because I'm pretty sure everyone just picks their route based on which house leader they're the most gay for and then tries to defend their pick by pointing out the other sides's war crimes via twitter memes. Reader, all four of them do substantial quantities of war crimes. So many. We're just here because the woman with Issues and a big fuck-off axe said so, and then we gotta justify everything she did in the name of dismantling the class system. I mean, I'm here for that, but you could also try justifying Charm Man uses poison and perfidy to try to stop racism, A Sad Little Meow Meow gives no quarter instead of doing therapy, or the Thicc Pope tries to bring back her mom via human experimentation, depending on your tastes

#This is 100% swinging at a hell of a hornet's nest #Do I tag it? #Yeah fuck it we ball #fe3h #fe16 #edelgard von hresvelg #claude von riegan #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #rhea fire emblem #I should probably clarify that I love all of these characters quite dearly #Well except Rhea #I think she's a good character but I'm not feral about her like Edelgard or charmed by her like Claude or desperate to save her like Dimitr #discourse #edelgard discourse #Edit: I actually don’t care about 3H discourse either way lol #there’s plenty of interesting shit to talk about in this game #also I get that the people who say “x did war crimes” actually don’t mean “this was bad because it violated the Geneva Convention” #but any time I see something about how many war crimes someone did (usually Edelgard or Dimitri) I just think: #“Hah it’s a war crime to deploy Cyril to rescue Flayn because he’s still 14 then” #also I got into this game because someone told me ‘so there’s a gal with an axe and trauma’ and I booted it up #and I have a friend who likes Rhea despite his moral reservations solely because ‘she’s hot tho’ #and that’s also really funny #point is I don’t really wanna participate in most fe3h discourse cuz I have shit to do but this post isn’t meant to be a dunk on anyone #I’m not upset when I see it; it’s either funny or fine or sometimes right #I’m just gay for Edelgard and amused by the idea of applying the Geneva Convention to a world where it Clearly Isn’t A Thing

[butwhatifidothis]

Edelstans: We love Edelgard because of her moral grayness! The people who like her "as a villain" just hate nuance and deliberately misread her character to make her simple and evil!

Edelstans:

#edelgard discourse #just to be safe #moderator of their server by the way! the same way who insists the discourse MUST go on! #they've also said infinitely worse shit about the Nabateans btw. y'know since this wasn't bad enough #the shit that flies over in their server is vile

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

My hot fire emblem take is that people who never do the black eagles route bc they think its evil are missing out on a shorter but very in depth look at edelgard as a hero who is balancing an empire that has over the last several decades been completely taken over by a regime that is destroying the continent from the inside with her ideals. People claim they want morally gray women but shun her because they think she's a facist when she's actually a socialist trying to convert a fascist party thats controlled her life into a tool to be used before it is irrevocably silenced

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#fe #fire emblem #edelgard discourse #edelgardiscourse #edelgard fire emblem #edelgard von hresvelg #fe16 #fe3h #fire emblem three houses #fe 3 houses #what am i witnessing #petty playground squabbles

[raxistaicho]

Like a teacher would

There are those who might wonder, "why doesn't Byleth criticize Edelgard for her indirect involvement in the destruction of Remire and the death of Jeralt," and that's a fair question. Let's ask Byleth!

Wow, it's almost like Byleth is consistently portrayed as a patient, understanding, and forgiving person! Like a teacher!

#fire emblem three houses #edelgard discourse #edelgard von hresvelg #edelgard positive #fire emblem engage #byleth eisner #emblem byleth #hortensia

[erindromeda]

I've been doing a Black Eagles run

#Fire Emblem #Fire Emblem fanart #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem three houses fanart #Edelgard #edelgard von hresvelg #female byleth #edelgard discourse #tag added upon ask request #but ultimately this is in good fun #I actually really like edelgard!

[bowbowis]

In a World for Humanity... There's No Need for Gods...

People trying to make out that CF is the bad ending because Byleth loses their godhood really need to learn about context. As Edelgard says in the very same scene, "when humanity stands strong, and people reach out for each other, there's no need for gods." Byleth's loss of divinity isn't a tragedy because because their godhood is, and always has been, redundant.

Byleth the god didn't show Edelgard she could be loved, or help Dimitri find redemption, or teach Claude to trust others; Byleth the person did. Only one person in the game reduces Byleth to their status a vessel for Sothis's power, and that's Rhea, something even she admits she was wrong for doing in her S-Support. Edelgard doesn't weep in the end of CF because she's mourning that Byleth lost the Godess's power, she weeps because she's overjoyed that the person she loves, the part of Byleth that truly matters, survived.

#fire emblem three houses #byleth eisner #edelgard von hresvelg #fe3h rhea #edelgard discourse #edelgard positive #crimson flower #fe3h

[juliakeyoto]

Mfw the church unironically bans the printing press, medical advances, telescopes, and oil to keep it’s power. Of course, in it lists reasons why it could be dangerous for humans, but the church is still canonically oppressing human advancement in the way that the Catholic Church did irl. And people ask why Edelgard has supporters

#edelgard discourse #fe3h #edelgard positive

[furrylibrarian]

I’m a bit further into Crimson Flower, and I think I am starting to see why so many people love Edelgard. I’m far enough away from my initial playthroughs that I can see more than just her problematic traits.

One thing I’m curious about is her stance on nonhumans. She gave a speech (rightly) decrying the Rhea and the Church of Seiros as corrupt, and she brought up Rhea being a dragon as a point of evidence in and of itself. I wonder if she genuinely believes that nonhuman people are inherently wicked, or if that was just rhetoric being used to raise morale and sway people to her side.

Mostly it’s dredged up an old idea I had for a FE:Heroes fic where Edelgard befriends Corrin, but I don’t want to commit to another RPG right now or redownload Heroes.

#edelgard discourse #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem

[quitekingly]

Edelgard is very cool despite being so wrong 😭🙏

#my art #fanart #fire emblem #digital art #fire emblem three houses #procreate #quitekingly #fire emblem fandom #fire emblem fanart #fire emblem edelgard #fire emblem three houses fanart #fe3houses #fe3h edelgard #fe3h fanart #fe3h #edelgard fanart #edelgard von hresvelg #edelgard discourse #edelgard positive #edelgard critical #procreate painting #procreate art #procreate fanart #procreate drawing #digital fanart #digital aritst #digital drawing #digital painting #digitalart #procreate artist

[flower-of-knighthood]

You're five years late to the discourse. What's even the points of making a post about it? It's not like every single points you said has been discussed and refuted over and over either... At least if you're going to obsess about the thing you hate, you could have the decency to deal with the complexity of the subject and make a proper post about it instead of your ridiculous three sentences ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

You know if you had bothered to do some research you would know that I've been involved in discourse for a little while, though the last time I got myself involved in discourse was January. I haven't been as active as say RandomNameless or FantasyInvader, because I usually only make posts in response to stupid arguments that I see, and it just so happens that I happened to see someone arguing about how sad Edelgard was about "having" to kill Dimitri.

Unfortunately for you, my points haven't been refuted, because the fact is as I pointed out, it was ultimately Edelgard and Hubert's decision to work with Agartha and it is one of Edelgard's goals to conquer Fodlan, as is pointed out in the hyperlinks I provided as evidence.

Obsessed? You do realise that Ad Hominen attacks can't serve as the backbone of a argument, in fact trying to have ad hominen attacks serve as the foundation of your argument just makes it look fragile.

#edelgard discourse #ask

[deathbirby]

Not dolphin calling me an incel and misogynist and blocking me because I didn't like Dorothea LMAOO.

Cunt doesn't know the definition of incel. I'm insulting you because I know you're piece of fucking shit not because you're a woman you twat.

#edelgard discourse #2 be safe #this is like when someone called me sexist #now i have become misogynist #destroyer of women

[mayhem-ensues]

I can understand how "Edelgard probably isn't dying like Lysithea is" became a commonish take since the game doesn't really dwell on it, but if you look at the actual ways the game talks about having two crests I think it's pretty clear that Edelgard probably is dying.

The argument usually goes along the lines that since they were able to experiment on the Ordelia's first, that Edelgard probably received a relatively safer version of the experiments. Leaving aside the fact that those same experiments killed or otherwise incapacitated all of Edelgard's siblings so it can't have been that safe, I think focusing on the experiments themselves is missing the point a bit.

While the experiments were brutal and certainly traumatic, it's not the methods of the experimentation but the results of the experiment that are killing Lysithea. She is specifically dying because she has two crests and the human body isn't meant to hold two crests.

Which is also why anytime a character like Hanneman or Linhardt talks about saving her life, their solution is specifically about removing one of her two crests.

So with that in mind, it doesn't really matter if Edelgard got a "safer" version of the experiments (and again, this allegedly safer experiment still killed 10 of the 11 people it was performed on), because the end result of the experiments is responsible for the shortened lifespan.

And like, even aside from that you do have the Edelgard/Lysithea paired ending which specifically talks about reclaiming the years that were stolen from them, so, y'know that seems pretty clear at least.

Again, can't blame anyone for having this take because the game doesn't really talk about Edelgard's mortality. It's one of the rare cases where the game actually trusts the player to put two and two together, but I think in this instance it would probably have been smarter to explicitly address it.

#edelgard von hresvelg #lysithea von ordelia #fire emblem #few3h #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem warriors three hopes #edelgard discourse

[butwhatifidothis]

It's been a few months since that whole thing with that Edelgang mod peddling genocide rhetoric, I wonder if they ever moved on from believing such horrific things and using such horrific rhetoric-

...so the answer to that is no. They have not.

#edelgard discourse #just to be safe #''guys they're not slaves they're just legally barred from having any authority whatsoever and they should be subject to the ruling race'' #two days ago from today (March 11th) #noooo but tell me context makes this sooooo much better pleeeease #maybe call me a nonce again while you're at it that was fun #i know you're going to cover this mod's ass again and scramble to come up with why saying this shit is fine because yadda yadda blah blah #since you're all incapable of kicking out toxic people the LEAST i can do is let everyone else know what you allow to fester in your space

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

foreword: im a lesbian

a lot of the edeldiscourse is just misogyny. same w rhea. like. look at me fire emblem fandom. look at me in my lesbian eyes. why do you people not also hate dmitri for actively saying "yeah lets massacre people" multiple times but when edelgard teams up w people who abused her all her life and are infesting her only accessible seat of power to do somthing genuinely good its worse. hello. hello? all dmitri wants is to kill edelgard because hes a sister in law fucker and she was too busy Having Opinions and Also Being Traumatized to be sad about his issues. i do also kind of like dmitri but in a "aw what a fucked up creature that has rabies that i have to put down. how sad. anyway" kind of way. edelgard, on the other hand, just. wants people to be equal? and she knows the church is corrupt and its been killing anyone who dissents? hello? hello?????

anyway its my opinion that 3H should have just been one fucking huge long and arduous Crimson Flower route and nothing else so edelgard couldve gotten the screentime beating slithies that claude ganked from her (im sorry claude but its true you are nothing)

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#fe #fire emblem #edelgard discourse #edelgard von hresvelg #fe16 #fe3h #fire emblem three houses #fe 3 houses #petty playground squabbles #edelgard positive #character hate

[raxistaicho]

Red and White

Volossya, a very good friend of mine, pointed this one out!

Red and white are a coloration pair that comes up fairly often in regards to the Church of Seiros; they're the main colors of soldiers belonging to it. But they're also the main colors of both Edelgard and Seiros!

In this, we can see that both are so starkly dominated by a single color it can only be the case that they very deliberately tried to present that image. For Edelgard, a bloody red, and Rhea, a pure as snow white, with the insides of their cape featuring the opposite color.

However, when you consider how Edelgard pointedly wears demonic ram horns, the outfits seem to tell a different story.

Edelgard believes future generations will see her a bloody revolutionary at best, and she dresses the part, but in truth she's a sensitive romantic who wants to create a better world.

Rhea presents the image of a motherly and benevolent holy woman, but the reality is she's short-tempered, stubborn, and always wants things to be done her way, even with Seteth.

Edelgard's outfit portrays a bloody exterior that hides an internal purity, while Rhea's portrays a pure exterior that hides a bloody interior!

#fire emblem three houses #edelgard discourse #edelgard positive #edelgard von hresvelg #rhea discourse #rhea