#dbz meta

[evilkitten3]

@blueper-saiyan

#Not sure if I’m allowed to pull out these tags as a separate reblog#but that is an interesting and fucked up theory I like it#and absolutely want to hear the long version#vegeta

you absolutely are as far as i'm concerned but since op's post was getting a bit long i'll respond here

dbz always reblog i have a theory that there's actually a reason for this it stems from my theory that vegeta's mom doesn't exist bc he's a clone of his dad basically it eventually become obvious that frieza was going to take whichever kid was heir to the throne so king vegeta (kv i guess) went ''aight we need a Super Baby (no tuffles allowed) and i'm the coolest guy on the planet. need a baby me'' so he gets a bunch of the buffest nerds imaginable (be real saiyan scientists like the job bc they get to fight physics) and start working kv: i need this kid to last as long as possible we're gonna need to buy some time scientists: got it boss *proceed to make the universe's most ridiculously hard to kill infant* how's this kv: excellent. frieza catch! frieza: oh this is adorable! i'm going to traumatize it =) <-an extremely brief summary of my hc

(^the tags in question)

ok so first there are a couple of things i need to get out of the way ahead of time– namely, i'm not the first person to come up with the vegeta-is-a-clone idea; the first person i saw with that idea was someone who wrote a fic i read a while back that i'm blanking on the name of at the moment, and while their version is massively different from mine, the core concept of clone!veggie is more or less the same

the second thing is that i get way too into world building sometimes and so a lot of pieces of my hcs get mixed up with one another and often don't fit in with established canon (which isn't like abnormal or anything but i want to clarify that i already know some of this doesn't perfectly slot up. in my defense the db timeline doesn't even match up with itself half the time)

the final thing is that while i've seen bits of the anime and the first handful of super episodes, i'm mostly a manga fan, so i view any non-manga parts of dragon ball as free real estate

buckle up, i was not kidding about the length (*immature snickering*)

SO.

first and foremost the relationship between the tuffles and the saiyans: the tuffles are described as being a peaceful yet technologically advanced race, but in my hc, they're a bit more complicated than that. for starters, i don't see how a supposedly peaceful race is going to have high-tech blasters, and while it's possible that they're for defensive purposes, it... really doesn't give off that vibe. also they were super into some fairly questionable science, some of which objectively involved human experimentation (or... humanoid experimentation, i guess)

jumping back to the future for a sec: gohan. gohan is a half-human, half-saiyan male hybrid, and while two separate species somehow producing a hybrid child isn't unheard of, male hybrids are almost always completely infertile. and yet, gohan grows up and has a kid (another explanation is gohan and videl are t4t, which i also love, but it doesn't really fit into this). so how are saiyans and humans not only capable of reproducing together, but capable of having children that can also reproduce? my theory here is that saiyans are genetically modified (early) humans– tuffles arrived on earth sometime prior to homo erectus finishing the jump to homo sapiens, grabbed a handful of various lab rats, and got to work.

this would also explain why saiyan tails look the way they do. to elaborate, here's a spider monkey skeleton:

notice how the tail is made up of more vertebrae that continue along the same curve as the rest of the spine. meanwhile, goku's tail looks like this:

it juts straight out, almost perpendicular to his spinal cord. to me, that does not look like how tails work– it looks grafted on. in the video game kakarot, bulma even makes goku a fake tail for him to fish with that he can just... stick right on there. i know dragon ball science is already broken af (someone please explain to me how dr briefs isn't basically a deity for inventing capsules), but if the tail is a genetic trait that didn't evolve naturally, it makes some sense (in the way anything in dragon ball makes sense, that is)

so– saiyans are a highly adaptable species that seem to be able to eat basically whatever, can both endure and dish out catastrophic amounts of damage, are biologically driven to fight to the point where it's hard to imagine how a society full of them could function at all, get stronger whenever they recover from being seriously injured, can transform into giant apes, and yet have a glaringly obvious weakness that can pretty much completely incapacitate them if you know about it? they seem designed for war, and not in the natural evolution-is-just-funny-like-that-sometimes way.

what we know about the tuffles sort of differs from source to source, but the most negative opinions come from the saiyans– according to vegeta, the tuffles basically treated them as slaves. which... yeah, that adds up, given everything.

anyway, here's where i divorce from canon entirely bc according to gt, king vegeta iii is the one who led the saiyans in the war against the tuffles, which raises... honestly so many questions. so i'm ignoring that; it was vegeta i and he was never officially king, but more on that later. i also need to note that the whole "saiyans lived on planet sadala, fucked it up, and moved to planet plant which later became planet vegeta" to my knowledge is not manga canon but since i like the general idea, i sorta moved it a bit.

in my version, the saiyans and the tuffles both lived on planet sadala, but the war between the two species got a little out of hand and the planet was kaputski (to be fair, if you suddenly got to turn into a giant ape and wreak havoc on the people who were possibly enslaving you, you might go a bit overboard too), so the saiyans stole all the tuffles' ships and gtfo'd (this is why everyone was so sure the tuffles were gone. bc typically blowing up someone's planet is a good way to get rid of all of them. at least in theory– i'm sure frieza can tell you all about how well it works in practice)

back to vegeta i– he wasn't a king, technically, but he was the saiyan who started, led, and according to all saiyan sources (which are biased but w/e) finished the revolt, and chose to die on the planet in an act of heroic sacrifice and/or symbolism and/or his daughter twisted a fact or two bc propaganda is a game we all can play, and the new planet they landed on was named after him. said daughter took the same name, declared the planet and the king to be one and the same, and set about conquering the shit out of it. so vegeta ii was technically the first king but if you asked her she was the second and also disrespecting her father and probably also about to be killed via spear (oh btw king vegeta ii is famed for her giant war spear which was very cool and intimidating and probably didn't see much use outside of ritual combat bc it's honestly more efficient to just blast people but all the statues and art and whatnot have her with it)

i'm going to take a minute to gloat about vegeta ii bc honestly she's one of my alltime favorite ocs that i've made, despite the fact that i don't intend to ever have her show up in anything (yass gurl haunt that narrative!!!) but basically she's a deeply respected figure in saiyan culture, although she died way before any of the saiyans still alive in dbz were born (except nappa), bc she... basically built saiyan culture from scratch. pretty much all the core beliefs the saiyans as a people had were from her very deliberately and surprisingly sneakily forcing them to be developed bc she was fully aware that the saiyans needed more than a love of battle to actually survive as a society independent of the tuffles. she basically had the whole thing set up and ready to last and become a proper empire but unfortunately the one kid that lived long enough to succeed her (by killing her in combat, obviously, and yes the others all tried and died– she's an important figure, not a nice one) ran face first into frieza and we all know how that went down

anyhow, vegeta ii's reign (which lasted a crazy long time bc she lived way longer than she should've and almost certainly used some kind of not-so-great method of living that long, but in her defense she needed to make sure at least one of her kids was cool enough to be in charge, so what's a few war crimes between monarchs) pretty much cemented all the saiyan pride and identity that vegeta iv is so fond of, and not just bc she was his grandma either.

the reason i have to get through all of that to explain my clone!vegeta theory is bc i need to explain why king vegeta iii became king in the first place– under vegeta ii's system, anyone could challenge for the throne at any time, regardless of who they were. her own children were expected - but not required - to do so, and if she died before an heir could kill her in glorious combat, the princes would become stewards and have the duty of finding the next king (who couldn't be one of them. fight and die for that shit like a real saiyan or no throne for you). however, there was actively incentive not to do that bc A) whoever's in charge has to actually be in charge and therefore gets to fight way less, and B) in order to become king you had to be ritually stripped of your identity as a person with the understanding that if you died during your challenge your name would be stricken from all records, none of your family or friends would ever acknowledge that you had ever existed, and you would simply cease to be (the afterlife doesn't follow these rules but most of the saiyans who are there still do, including the ones who by saiyan law no longer exist. say what you will about saiyans; they're a dedicated lot)

so anyway vegeta iii (before becoming vegeta iii – he had a different name bc names are super important in my version of saiyan culture but if i get into that here we will literally be here for the rest of the week - but i'll call him that for the sake of my sanity) is somewhat reluctant to challenge for the throne bc none of his siblings have managed it (not that they exist anymore whoops), but one of his colleagues/presumed ruling partner (not gonna get into saiyan relationships here either sorry) has been pushing him to do so for a while now

i think i've gone through a few names for vegeta's not-mom, but the most recent one is touga (from tougarashi, or capsicum annuum, and yes i was thinking of neon orange glimmer song by the mountain goats when i named her), so i'll call her that. touga is a pretty saiyan-y saiyan– she's violent, temperamental, proud, strong, and so forth, but another thing she is is deeply, deeply loyal to her people. she's also very aware of vegeta iii's weaknesses (such as "will probably care a little too much about kids if he has any" and "may make decisions based off of feelings instead of cold hard practical logic" and "seems likely to develop emotional attachments to family members"; you know, normal kingly failings) and has the lady macbeth-esque stainless steel go-fuck-yourself coldness to make up for her future husband's pathetic little morals or whatever

anyway, touga pushes vegeta iii to go for the throne bc holy shit his mom has been alive for way too long but also she has faith in hi or something and duty and whatever and dude do it if you ever want this saiyan tail, and eventually he caves and goes for it. he fights his mom, wins, gets a shiny new king name and is all set to run his kingdom. and then king cold shows up.

now in between killing his mom and our favorite chilly boys coming to town, vegeta iii and touga have had a kid, prince escallion (who is a girl ftr but i can't get into saiyan thoughts on sex/gender or the language or even escallion herself in this post bc we will never ever leave). escallion is pretty neat, just the strongest baby in history or whatever, but then post-cold arriving and politely yoinking the saiyans into his empire, rumors start spreading that frieza miiiiight be wanting a saiyan under his personal command. no prizes for guessing whose palace he's looking at for pickings. obviously the only prince they've got is not someone they can afford to lose, but they need a sure bet on super-infants and can't afford hoping for a genetic bingo, so vegeta iii assembles the universe's swole-est scientists and has them get started on making the Coolest Baby Ever (by cloning him, the king, bc he's the strongest but also bc frieza is an asshole and likes playing mind games with people so let's be real he's taking one of the king's kids no matter how tough they are)

so vegeta iv gets made (and named inappropriately but that's frieza's fault and a story for another time so ignore it for now) and eventually tarble is born and almost immediately sent off just in case frieza decides to be a bigger dick than usual (spoilers: frieza is going to decide to be an even bigger dick than that), and vegeta gets to spend the first few years of his life with his dad, big sis, and not-mom until he gets shipped off to go be a child soldier/slave/distraction, at which point frieza goes ahead and blows up the planet. there's more to it than just that, but i may actually want to write it out some day, so i'll keep the rest to myself for now.

#dbz #clone vegeta theory #dbz meta #dragon ball #dragon ball z #dbz headcanons #vegeta #vegeta iv #vegeta iii #king vegeta #long post #like super long #i said extremely brief and i meant it this is a long freakin' post #guest appearances by a monkey's skeleton and goku's ass #thanks for mooning the camera kiddo couldn't have done this without you #blueper-saiyan if you actually read all of this you may gain a powerup of some kind

[silalcarin]

#17 and #18 need to stop being referred to as "Androids" or "Cyborgs"

It's been over 30 years since #17 and #18 made their official debut in the original Dragon Ball manga (1991) and its anime adaptation in Dragon Ball Z (1992), yet people are still referring to them as "Androids" or even "Cyborgs". However, the manga and its anime adaptation, the Daizenshuu guidebooks, and Toriyama's own statements all clearly prove that neither term is correct.

Here's this observation by Bulma when she and Dr. Brief are looking at #17's blueprints that were found in Dr. Gero's laboratory basement.

Dragon Ball Chapter 365, Page 12, official Viz translation:

Dragon Ball Z: Episode 145 — "The Secret of Cell's Birth! What Lies Below the Laboratory?!" (1992):

^ It's stated point-blank in canon that #17 and #18 are human-based. They were originally human before Dr. Gero found and kidnapped them. When he forcibly remodeled them, he did so with organic components, and it included reconstructing their existing organic matter (as confirmed in Daizenshuu 4). Essentially, he did NOT 'create' them; he modified them.

Therefore, #17 and #18 are still considered humans even up to this point. A better term to use for them would be either "super human" or "enhanced human" or "modified human" — but NOT Artificial Humans (which is translated from the word "Jinzoningen" in the Japanese text, and that term is used for literally all of the Red Ribbon 'Androids'), NOT Androids (mechanical-based, which is what #16 and #19 were), NOT cyborgs (which is what #20 was, since he was actually Dr. Gero but with his brain in a jar), and NOT robots (which is what Arale from Dr. Slump is).

[Side Note: I didn't include #8, because his exact type is inconsistent. According to Daizenshuu 7, he's human-based. However, according to a Q&A with Toriyama in 2014 (in Dragon Ball Full Color: Artificial Humans & Cell Arc), he's mechanical-based. I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama simply forgot the previous information, considering he has a frequent tendency to do so.]

Anyways, #17 and #18 actually being "super humans" or "enhanced humans" or "modified humans" was reaffirmed later on in Dragon Ball Super, both the manga and anime, during the discussion of who will be recruited to Team Universe 7.

Dragon Ball Super Chapter 30, Page 27, official Viz translation:

Dragon Ball Super: Episode 83 — "Field the All-7th-Universe Team! Who Are the Mighty Ten?" (2017):

[Side Note: Sadly, though, finding "Number 17" and "Number 18" in the tags here on Tumblr is much harder than if you search for, say, "Android 18" or "Cyborg 18", at least in my experience; hence my inclusion of those tags in this post.]

TL;DR — #17 and #18 are NOT Artificial Humans, nor Androids, nor cyborgs, nor robots. They are NOT mechanical-based in any way, shape, or form. Based on both canon and Toriyama's statements in Daizenshuu 4, Daizenshuu 7, and Dragon Ball Full Color, they are actually "super humans" or "enhanced humans" or "modified humans", because they were originally human to begin with and all Dr. Gero did was upgrade them at the cellular level.

#number 17 #cyborg 17 #android 17 #number18 #cyborg18 #android18 #dragon ball #dragonball #dbz #dragon ball z #dbs #dragon ball super #akira toriyama #toei animation #meta #dbz meta #meta posts #long post #my post

[birdantlers]

Goten anon again. I totally get where you're coming from. It really bugs me that Gohan's potential trauma is never really explored. Don't get me wrong, I know that this is Dragon Ball. The odds of DB tackling such a subject for one of the main characters is incredibly slim. Believe me, I LOVE Goten, but I almost feel jealous of him (and all of the other Saiyan hybrids born post-Gohan) on Gohan's behalf with how (relatively) stupidly EASY their lives have become after Cell/Majin Buu.

Big agree. I've talked abt this a lot on the discord, but I feel like he almost aged out of what little trauma and unhealthy habits he had up to Cell Saga. Either that, or they've been retrofitted as strengths, like his bouts of explosive anger under pressure :/ Gohan making the transition from child to adult is RIFE with introspective possibly and maturation of his character arc's tone, but they . Don't do that sigh,,

I honestly feel like Goten's potential could have been better filled too, to be completely honest. Hell, they didn't even give him his own character introduction moment like Gohan really. At least not that sticks out in my memory; it's just a voiceover. I have a whole idea for how I would have had Goten's character arc go, but I have the vague hope of making that into a comic someday so I don't want to say it all here lol

#dbz #dbz meta #skit yells #ask #gohan #goten

[incorrect-star-allies]

*Dark Meta Knight gets smashed through a wall*

Bandana Waddle Dee: Are you okay?!

Dark Meta Knight: Yeah, I’m fan-[BLEEP]ing-tastic! Nothing but gumdrops and ice cream in here!

Kirby: Awesome! Can I come in too?

Dark Meta Knight: ...I’m surrounded by idiots.

Kirby: I thought you were surrounded by gumdrops and ice cream.

#incorrect quotes #incorrect kirby quotes #incorrect star allies #kirby series #dark meta knight #bandana waddle dee #kirby #source: dbz abridged

[laladbzland]

#Cooler #Meta-Cooler #DBZ #Dragon Ball Z #Anime #Illustration #Toei Animation #Toei

[monochrome-night]

Little Metal Cooler 💕

#frieza race #cooler #metal cooler #dragon ball #dbz #dragon ball z #movie #db #dragonball #dbz cooler #db cooler #dbz meta cooler #dragon ball z cooler #db art #db fanart #cyborg #sketch #art #anime #dragon ball cooler

[dragon-ball-meta]

Are there any decent dragon ball YouTubers? I gave Totally Not Mark a shot (I got clickbaited into his Bardock is ruining Dragon Ball video) and his take was: TV Special good, Minus version makes Goku Superman, Super manga further ruins the story because of the wish Bardock makes.

I know I’m biased as a Bardock fan but I actually liked Super Hero/Minus Bardock just as much as TV special. Will never defend the Super manga though, I don’t even think Toriyama outlined the Granolah stuff did he?

He outlined some of it. The idea was Toyotaro's (and Victory Uchida's too, apparenty, which would explain why he's always trying to hype that arc) and he sent it to Toriyama, who apparently came up with a lot of the lore and a basic outline for him based on those ideas. From there, Toyotaro wrote the dialogue, the details, etc. So what exactly is Toyotaro's or not, we don't really know. But the arc itself was not Toriyama's idea. As for DB Tubers, unfortunately, I tend to not really watch their content. More than once I've been accused of "ripping off" some of my own thoughts on things from them, or being influenced by them, so I've kind of made it a point to ignore them to avoid that in the future. I'm sorry I can't really be of more help there. But for the record, I absolutely HATE the whole "Goku is Superman" thing, mostly because of how people misuse that. While there are some basic similarities in that both have the whole "Baby Moses" motif, for some reason people don't refer to the updated comic origin for Superman with this, but the 1978 film where he's deliberately sent not just to survive, but to be a hero. This is not the case with Goku. He's legit dropped on Earth to hide and potentially be picked up later. It's a completely random event, not one of "destiny" or anything like that. In fact, the Bardock Special has more of that to it than Minus does, given Bardock legit sees the future and sees Goku on Earth, fighting Vegeta, facing Freeza, etc. Such a weird, bizarre claim to me, and betrays a lack of media literacy in regard to the material.

Anyways, sorry, got a bit meandering there at the end, but I maybe folks who follow the blog can point you toward a few good ones?

#asks #not meta #dragon ball #dragon ball z #dragon ball minus #dragon ball super #db #dbz #dbs

[not-souleaterpost]

People on here who think even anime Crona didn't deserve redemption or needed to be severaly punished after watching DBZ:

#soul eater meta #soul eater #meme #low effort #dont take it too seriously #just showing my context when people claim someone is beyond redemption #my man vegeta literally killed billions for fun into his 30s #and even continued to be a dick way past many chances #even killed his closest companion without a second look for basically no reason #like that shit is kinda cold till now #but still got redeemed #so crona can have a little mass murder as a treat #do people still use this meme format #idk #it is what it is #dragon ball #dbz #vegeta #redemption arc #I think unironically vegetas backstory is one where one can say that it influenced his actions but dont justify them

[jojolightningfingers]

No see but Hit is so anomalous stacked up against the majority of Dragon Ball’s cast. Every other person in opposition to Goku/his friend group who is A Killer in has this element of. I don’t know what to call it. Self-aggrandizement? Superiority? They think they’re better than whoever they happen to be facing and they flaunt it. Vegeta with his ‘super-elite’-ism and Freeza with his ‘I only need half of my power to destroy you’ and Cell with his Perfection. They’re Villains, capital V, they’re The Trope. All with the speeches and the theatricality of demonstration because there’s an element of narcissism and sadism to it, they want to see their opponent break. Raditz had this, Piccolo and King Piccolo both had it, even earlier minor baddies like Taopaipai had it.

And Hit... doesn’t. He only has half of the Villain qualifications, if you will. He kills people, but it’s literally just a job to him. Clock in, stop someone’s heart, clock out. That’s his nine-to-five. And while that’s not unique to character-writing in general, it is rare, if not unique in Dragon Ball’s universe(s), where killing is so inextricably tied up with making it into a production.

He’s weird in other ways too that are strangely compelling to me, taken together with this. He’s the only member of his race that we know exists. He’s old as shit (third oldest mortal after Moro and Turtle) (I’m assuming Moro is mortal but he is also like, ten million years old, so maybe not). Nobody except the Angels and the Kais possess powers over time that bear even a passing resemblance to his. His pride reads more like a complete and matter-of-fact understanding of his own ability, accumulated over centuries. There’s nobody else like him.

#hit #dbs hit #dbs #dragon ball super #dragonball super #meta posts #bizarre adventures #dbz

[bardocks-tiddies]

th- the big gete star...

#the big gete star enabled me to cheat death #HOW COULD THIS BEEEEE #dbz #dragon ball #dragon ball z #cooler #meta cooler #metal cooler #dbxv2 #dragon ball xenoverse 2

[flufflecat]

Can someone explain what the narrative stakes are even supposed to be anymore in jjk. All the characters are essentially guaranteed to die, the current cast is comprised almost entirely of characters who showed up 2/3rds into the story and we're supposed to care about them for some reason, and I do not even know what the threat is supposed to be anymore. The apocalypse? Destruction of an amorphous innocent society? Like has ANYTHING been shown of "here's the regular world that apparently needs to be saved" or are we just supposed to assume "this society is just Real Life+, so you're REQUIRED to care if some guy threatens to kill all humanity, because one of those humanities may be... a child" or something. Can you spare two seconds to show anything other than some magic randos fighting, or is it just a superhero story all the time now, minus the fun. Remember when yuuji had friends.

#jujutsu kaisen #jjk crit #sorry for like being salty in what will prob be the main tag #I simply do not vibe at ALL with the direction this series has gone in and would love someone to complain about it with ahfkaj #I'd write an entire meta on the narrative flaws but I do not feel like it #seriously though it's chill if people like the story and I'm not trying to cause shit by tagging it #well I'm sort of trying to cause shit #but that shit is 'blease will someone complain with me because I love complaining' #I just don't get it #like oh wow you killed characters off and established stakes! that sets a tone and shows that this is a serious conflict! #oh nvm you've killed everyone just to be gratuitous about it and prove how tooootally realistic your story is #and now there's no reason to care bc why get invested when there's an 80% chance the characters will all die #like. you're just alienating people from caring about the story you're trying to make them care about #idek what kenjaku is supposed to be up to anymore #for all I care he could explode the world and I'd be like whatever there was probably no one interesting left anyway #everything that happens anymore in jjk feels like someone said 'but what if all the nonsense in DBZ... was edgy' #and then thought they did something interesting #wooooahhhh someone did a fight for 70 chapters! so innovative and unique! #someone transformed! what a twist!! #woooahhh you did a nonsense rug-pull and are now lying to us acting like it was intended the whole time! sacre bleu!!! #anyway see my previous complainy post to see why gojos plot specifically is harmful bullshit #but it's a shoooooneeennnnnn #it doesn't neeeeeeeed to be written well or responsibly amiright?! #it just needs to make straight guys on twitter think they're unique for saying 'the real issue with jjk is that some women like it ' #ok I'm done complaining. FOR NOW. #I'm sure I'll think of something else to complain about in two seconds. #fluffle talks

[evilkitten3]

THAT INTERVIEW THOUGH my brothers and i like to play the "who would win x vs y" game a lot and sometimes goku gets shuffled in and i always have to add the caveat that, if the other character is mostly a good guy, this isn't a fight to the death fight it's a friendly comparison fight.

like if the question is "who could win" the answer is usually goku. but i can't imagine him going all out the way he would if it was a fight to the death but if it wasn't, goku wouldn't be going all out bc he just. doesn't like hurting people. for him, that's an unfortunate but necessary part of life, but it isn't something he actively seeks out.

vegeta, though... well, i imagine that a large part of that is just his life having been pretty much a continuous stream of traumatic events, but regardless of why, it's pretty clear from the get-go that hurting people for him is a bonus, at least at the beginning. it makes sense that he's like that, both given the general attitudes of most of the saiyans we've met and vegeta's own upbringing, but either way, vegeta when we first meet him enjoys hurting people

i think vegeta is someone who has always had someone he needed to be better than– initially, that was frieza. vegeta's goal has always been another person and he doesn't easily swap between targets, so once goku beat frieza his target switched to goku. before goku did that, vegeta just seemed to see him as someone he'd need to kill after he'd dealt with frieza himself, but frieza was still his true goal. once goku had won, though, goku took frieza's place as "person i need to be stronger than" for vegeta, and that didn't change even when vegeta learned that goku hadn't killed frieza and future trunks did it instead. f!trunks actually ended up taking goku's original place of "i'll kick his ass later" (but he got out of it by vegeta going "wait i'm his dad?" and then much later going "wait hang on i actually care about this kid wtf")

anyway, that's why - to me, at least - it was such a big deal that vegeta accepted goku being stronger than him at the end of the manga. it wasn't just him going "oh well guess i'll give up forever" like his post-cell sulking, it was him finally accepting that he didn't need to defeat goku, that it was possible for both of them to exist together

that's something goku never needed to learn– for goku, it's always been an option to coexist with people, it's always been acceptable that other people could change. it hasn't always been easy, but most of goku's friends were his enemies at some point.

that's part of what makes goku and vegeta's relationship so fascinating for me– they have so much in common, but their worldviews are so fundamentally different that it's almost impossible for them to properly understand each other. i talked about this a bit on my dbz shitpost blog, that goku and vegeta didn't understand each other until literally being the same person, but i focused more on vegeta bc i'm me. on goku's end, i think it's in large part that he chooses to see the best in everyone. or, i guess, it's more that he chooses to see the best that everyone could be. goku believes in second chances, and third, and fourth, and so on. to goku, it never seems to be too late to become a good person. or at least to stop being a bad one.

a lot of people dismiss goku's kindness as idiocy - which makes sense to some degree; one of his character traits is being "stupid" - but as i've gotten older, i've begun to appreciate it more and more. people can't change if you don't let them– and goku is someone who is always willing to let people change. no matter how awful someone is, goku will always believe they can become a better person. there's something beautiful in that, i think.

#dragon ball #dragon ball z #meta #dbz meta #goku #son goku #in this house we love and appreciate son goku #also quick side note: goku is RIGHT #people DO become better #and frequently they become better bc of him #it's interesting bc people seem to think that they have to side with goku or vegeta on any particular argument #they don't #both can be right #vegeta is right when he decides to kill threats bc they ARE threats and it IS a risk to let them continue to do harm #but goku is also right that they should be allowed to opportunity to be better #and goku is genuinely right more often #remember when goku asked vegeta to spare buu at the end of the manga? that was HUGE for vegeta #but he'd learned to trust goku and so he didn't even try to finish buu off #honestly i know it's a filler ep but one of my favorite non-manga moments in dbz is the one right after buu's defeat #where they're all celebrating and waiting around for goku #and vegeta is just. allowing himself to simply be #there's so much love and forgiveness and acceptance in that episode #it's a room full of people who have every reason to hate each other and all of them have chosen to move past that #no shame. no resentment. no bitterness. no making fun of stuff. just love and trust and wondering wtf is taking goku so long #i see vegeta look quietly out the window and i start crying ok #manly tears of appreciation #bulma's dance party ep has my heart and soul okay

[kurkur-kuri]

Thank you @thatonekirbyfan1985 for the motivation. I've never been so proud at myself

Small to you, Achievement for Me

Use your imagination with this ⤵️

#kirby #fanart #art #comics #kirby comic #oc art #my ocs <3 #oc rp #meta knight #bandee #bandanna waddle dee #sailor dee #dbz #reference #Youtube

[birdantlers]

I absolutely love your expanding on DB moments/acknowledging DB characters' vices. Seriously, Chi-Chi's death in the Majin Buu arc went by WAY too fast for DB's standards. Like, that was the first time a non-Z-Fighter was murdered by an antagonist. I always felt like that whole situation didn't get the respect it deserved. I also love how you acknowledged how Gohan was in a similar situation after Goku's first death, and how Piccolo did NOT make things much better for him.

Thanks!! And yeah, ChiChi's death was portrayed really poorly and was tonally weird too (an egg... A fuckin egg are you fr) but as if that wasn't bad enough then it's just. Glossed tf over! Even if you have a time limit with lots of stuff happening, you can still have characters grieve—or make it a fulcrum to further the angst/tension of the situation by highlighting the fact that the character isn't physically able to process what happened and grieve.

I had an idea that lasted approx. 10 seconds when chichi died that Goten wouldn't be able to focus and that their fusion would be impacted by that or smth, but no..... Can't have introspection in detroit

#dbz #dbz meta #ask #buu saga #this arc man... this fuckin arc

[celestial-alignment]

I need to sleep but I'm thinking about how in the original Bardock movie, when little Vegeta found out his world was destroyed, they believed he was the only survivor at the time. Who knows how long it was before he was reunited with Nappa and Raditz, but for what probably felt like a lifetime, that little guy believed he was completely alone.

Fast forward to when he meets his son from a future where HE is the only survivor (aside from his mom), because the world was decimated by the androids.

Just wondering if those two dots ever connected for Vegeta or if that was a big part of why he was so god damned mean to Trunks. It's a lot of trauma and toxic indoctrination to work through.

#idk might develop this into a fic because i am having feelings about this #vegeta #trunks briefs #dragon ball #dragon ball z #dbz #dragon ball meta #meta

[laladbzland]

#Vegeta #Son Goku #Goku #Meta-Cooler #Cooler #DBZ #Dragon Ball Z #Anime #Toei Animation #Toei