#anti otw

[marxism-leninism-meowism]

"the otw didn't do anything wrong, they just refused to take a stance on politics" bestie they chose to prioritize the feelings of zionists that were 'threatened' by people pointing out that israel was bombing hospitals and murdering children. and then they started hiding comments on their newsposts that said "free palestine." they took a stance on politics. that's a stance on politics.

#otw #ao3 #anti otw #anti ao3 #fuck the otw #organization for transformative works #archive of our own

[fenrir-academia]

If you call yourself an anti, don't use ao3. Don't make an account, don't post stories, don't comment, and definitely don't donate to them. Ao3 is the most proship website you can find on the internet, there's fics of people having sex with dead babies on there. Go back to Wattpad. If good authors post their good stories on there, then the quality will increase, and it'll be just as good as Ao3.

#anti #antiship #ao3 #wattpad #fanfiction #fanfiction author #proship dni #anti shipping #anti ao3 #anti otw

[mneiai]

i apologise, i didn't mean to come off as rude. i'm on anon because my following is far smaller than yours and i am admittedly scared of getting harassed (not that i think you'd condone/encourage it, but only that it tends to happen with smaller blogs as a side effect of tumblr being tumblr).

i ask from a place of genuine ignorance; i don't understand how propaganda or direct lobbying would be more effective than a legal fund, nor why you'd choose to use a platform like ao3 if you disagree with their management of funding. it's not like posting to ao3 is mandatory for engaging with fandom, although i do acknowledge that it's likely where as a fic writer you'd have the largest reach.

feel free to ignore me though, i'm not trying to start anything. regardless, i wish you the best, and have a nice day.

lol you have zero clue how many followers I have and I barely have any interactions so you're not even inferring from that, come up with a better excuse next time.

The legal fund is, as I in the post you saw and many, many others have said, useless in its current state. It could not fund any real legal battle against a challenge to fanfiction. Those are expensive. Going directly for authors, directors, etc. to have better opinions of fanworks would be significantly cheaper and make them less likely to support an anti-fanwork suit or more likely to support OTW/fanworks if one happened.

OTW are a non-profit. They should not have excess money, they should always be finding a way to spend it if they get extra. This is the way non-profits work, this is not an opinion, this is the norm that they are going against for no good reason. There are multiple projects that they've said for years they're considering, as well as features people have been asking for since the very beginning, that they could be funding with their excess funds.

AO3 is the only real platform for fanfic for most of my fandoms. I have spoken about this before. Multiple times. I created fanfic tumblrs on here specifically because I wanted to move off of AO3 and have complained many times about how useless they have been.

Many of us use AO3 not because we like it, but because we want to reach more readers who would otherwise not see my fanfic. Look at my fucking fanfic blogs on here if you don't believe me, the amount of likes/reblogs compared to the amount of kudos/bookmarks for the same fic is vastly different. The amount of subscribers on most of my ongoing fic is far more than the number of followers I have on any of them or even on this blog (despite your attempts to act like I'm some big account).

AO3 created a monopoly, a large portion of older fanfic sites that may have continued on shut down because AO3 made a big deal about handling importing fanfic onto their site (there are fics on there that the writer didn't ever consent to have on there because the archive was absorbed into AO3). There have also been no real competitors because people refuse to accept that AO3 is a highly flawed site for the actual fanfic community and support the early stage projects that have popped up over the years the way people once supported AO3.

Point me to a usable competitor for my fandom and topics I write about and I'll show you a massive amount of issues they have, too.

Anyway, just block me if you're too far up AO3's ass to realize it has issues. I have no interest in people who think the status quo for the fanfic community is a good thing.

#Anonymous #ask answers #anti otw #anti ao3 #cowards

[azuremist]

If you’re just as displeased about the organization that runs AO3 kicking someone for being pro-Palestine (source 1) (source 2) as I am, here are some things you can do…

Use the OTW contact form and the AO3 feedback form to voice your displeasure. Additionally, inform them exactly how you will be withdrawing support until this issue is resolved.

Stop donating to AO3. This is an obvious one, but important. If you have previously donated, but will no longer be doing so, be sure to say it in your feedback form submission!

Switch fanfiction sites. Both for reading, AND for uploading. Alternatives include WattPad, Fanfiction.net, Dreamwidth, Quotev, tumblr itself, or even hosting your fanfiction on a site of your own, via Neocities. Don’t want to stop using AO3’s tagging system? Check out SquidgeWorld, which uses AO3’s open-source code. It even has rules against CSEM and AI scraping! While AO3 doesn’t get money from ad revenue, seeing the number of visitors drop will certainly get the message across.

Encourage others to do the same, and spread the word!

#ao3 #archive of our own #otw #organization for transformative works #anti ao3 #free palestine #azure does a thing

[elhopper1sm]

https://linktr.ee/stopkosa

Lawmakers can and will use this to censor information about Palestine let's be clear. This will harm queer kids

Also look up Fax Zero to fax your Representatives. If you have ideas for an Anti KOSA demonstration. Please let me know. And please forward it to @omarsbigsister on TikTok. Again she's done so much amazing work regarding this bill.

Also shout out to BypassCensorship.org for providing resource sin restrictive areas for people to BypassCensorship. Again if you have other anti censorship resources please forward them to me. Also look up Fax Zero to fax your Representatives. Thank you

#stop kosa #kosa bill #fuck kosa #kosa #kids online safety act #anti censorship #palestine #organization for transformative works #otw #pro ao3 #ao3 #famfiction #internet freedom #bad internet bills #lgbtqia #lgbtq

[girlcalledwhatsername]

🍂This user is always happy to see ao3 surpass their donation goals btw.🍂

This user is glad to see publically-funded archives of all kinds and especially those with a history of standing against censorship, especially fully volunteer-run ones with artists generously sharing their works for free, especially well organised ones that I respect the hell out of.

#it's that time of the year where i block people for putting anti ao3 stuff on my dash and revealing themselves to be pro censorship #(oh oh sorry. pro censorship only when they can have final say on what does and doens't get censored because they're tootally leftist tho) #/s #anyway i am grateful to ao3 and to any artist sharing their works safely tagged and free to access #whether that be original works by amazing writers on here or fanworks on ao3 #and i respect ao3 for curating this space and having clear terms and such an organised system #and for the technicians and lawyers over at otw #love you guys ❤️ #ao3 #otw #fanfic

[shsl-fujoshi]

Well, my theory that AO3 is being invaded and subverted, and targetted by psyops is almost certainly true at this point.

#archive of our own #otw #proship #profiction #anti censorship #fandom wank #fandom #fandom drama #fandom politics

[wander-wren]

every once in a while i like to poke my head into "anti [x]" tags just to see what the other side thinks. recently i was looking through "anti ao3" and found a really funny post claiming that ao3 is not anticapitalist, but actually the Definition Of Capitalism, bc it relies on volunteer labor while supposedly having the money to pay a staff.

oh, honey.

but i am not going to make unsubstantiated claims on the internet, no, and this gives me an excuse to look at ao3's whole budget myself, which i've been meaning to do for a while. these numbers are taken from the 2022 budget post and budget spreadsheet.

ao3's total income for 2022, from the two donation drives, regular donations, donation matching programs, interest, and royalties was $1,012,543.42. less than $300 of that was from interest and royalties, so it's almost all donations. and that's a lot, right? surely an organization making a million dollars a year can afford to pay some staff, right?

well, let's look at expenses. first of all, they lose almost $37,000 to transaction fees right away. ao3 and fanlore (~$341k and ~$18k, respectively) take up the biggest chunks of the budget by far. that money pays for, to quote the 2022 budget post, "server expenses—both new purchases and ongoing colocation and maintenance—website performance monitoring tools, and various systems-related licenses."

in some years, otw also pays external contractors to perform audits for security issues, and for more servers to handle the growing userbase. servers are expensive as hell, guys. in 2022, new server costs alone were $203k.

each of their other programs only cost around $3,000 or less, and otw paid around $78k for fundraising and development. wait, how do you lose so much money on your fundraising?? from the 2022 budget post: "Our fundraising and development expenses consist of transaction fees charged by our third-party payment processors for each donation, thank-you gift purchases and shipping, and the tools used to host the OTW’s membership database and track communications with donors and potential donors."

then the otw paid an additional $74k in administration expenses, which covers "hosting for our website, trademarks, domains, insurance, tax filing, and annual financial statement audits, as well as communication, management, and accounting tools."

in case you weren't following all of that math, the total expenses for 2022 come out to $518,978.48. woah! that's a lot! but it's still only a little over half of their net revenue. weird. i wonder what they do with that extra $494k?

well, $400k of it goes to the reserves, which i'll get to in a second. the last $93k, near as i can tell, gets rolled over to the next year. i'll admit this part i'm a little unsure about, as it's not clear on the spreadsheet, but that's the only thing that makes sense.

the reserves, though are clear. the most recent post i could find on the otw site about it were in the board meeting minutes from april 2, 2022: "We’re holding about $1million in operating cash that is about twice the amount of our annual operating costs. There is another $1million in reserves due to highly successful fundraisers in the past. The current plan for the reserves is to hold the money for paid staff in the future. It’s been talked about before in the past and we’re still working out the details, but it’s a rather expensive undertaking that will result in large annual expenses in addition to the initial cost of implementation."

woah....they're PLANNING to have paid staff eventually! wild!

so let's assume, for easy numbers, that the otw currently has $1.5 million in reserves. before we even get to how to use that money, let's look at the issues with implementing paid staff:

deciding which positions are going to be paid, because it can't be all of them

deciding how much to pay them, bc minimum wage sure as hell isn't enough, and cost of living is different everywhere, and volunteers come from all over the world

hiring staff and implementing new systems/tools to handle things like payroll and accounting

making sure you continue to earn enough money both to pay all of the staff and have some in reserves for emergencies or leaner donation drives

probably even more stuff than that! i don't run a nonprofit, that's just what i can think of off the top of my head.

okay, okay, okay. for the sake of argument, let's assume there is a best-case scenario where the otw starts paying some staff tomorrow. how much should they be paid? i'm picking $15 an hour, since that's what we fought for the minimum wage to be. by now, it should be closer to $20 or $25, but i'm trying to give "ao3 is capitalism" the fairest shot it can get here, okay?

ideally, if someone is being paid to help run ao3, they shouldn't need a second job. every job should pay enough to live off of. and running a nonprofit is hard work that leads to a lot of burnout--two board members JUST resigned before their terms were up. what i'm saying is, i'm going to assume a paid otw staff is getting paid for 40 hours of work a week, minimum. that's $31,200.

at $400,000 per year, the otw can afford to pay 12 people. that's WITHOUT taking into account the new systems, tools, software, etc they would have to pay for, any kind of fees, etc, etc.

oh, and btw, if you're an american you're still making barely enough to survive in most places, AND you don't have universal healthcare, vision, or dental. want otw to give people insurance, too? the number of people they can pay goes down.

it's. not. possible.

a million dollars is a lot of money on the face of it, but once you realize how MUCH goes into running something like the otw, it goes away fast.

just for reference, wikipedia also has donation drives every year. wikipedia, as of 2021, has $86.8 million in cash reserves and $137.4 million in investments. sure, wikipedia and ao3 are very different entities, but that disparity is massive. and i should note that if you give $10 to wikipedia they don't give you voting rights, i'm just saying.

by the way, you may have noticed that i didn't mention legal costs at all here. isn't one of otw's big Things about how they do legal advocacy?

yes, it is. they have a whole page about that work. and i can't for the life of me find a source on otw's website (and i'm running out of time to write this post, i'll look harder later), but i am 90% sure i learned before that most, if not all, of otw's legal work/advice/etc is done pro bono. i've also seen an anti-ao3 person claim their legal budget is only $5k or so, but they didn't have a source. but keep in mind that if they don't have a legal budget, all the numbers above stay the same, and if they do, there is even less money available for paid staff.

you can criticize ao3 and the otw all you want! there are many valid reasons to criticize them, and i do not think they're perfect either. but if you're going to do so, you should at least make sure you can back up your claims, bc otherwise you just look silly.

#ao3 #otw #anti ao3 #bc i want them to see this #otw board #ao3 discourse #ao3 donations #wren wrambles #that post was so unserious i died #if it was more recent (its from mid-july) i wouldve replied directly maybe #but i didnt want to drag the body of a 6-note post into the light OR attack the op directly so #also! if i misunderstood something pls let me know im doing my best

[marxism-leninism-meowism]

The OTW & Genocide

I truly apologize for taking so long to post this, but here's the compilation of screenshots I collected from the events that led to my departure from the OTW.

The document is not as extensive as I'd hoped to make it, due to personal issues IRL, but it's been long enough. I needed to just get this stuff out there.

#otw #palestine #from the river to the sea palestine will be free #ao3 #archive of our own #organization for transformative works #free palestine #genocide #palestinian genocide #workplace discrimination #zionism #anti zionisim

[voidpumpkin]

You know what, i’m posting this on it’s own cause it needs to be said.

(based on a comic by fishfishlove where stance was the one on the right’s)

#ao3 #anti ao3 #otw #organization for transformative works

[mneiai]

Please stop saying OTW puts its excess money into its legal budget, it does not. And it's actual legal budget is tiny and could not support a serious legal battle.

It would actually probably be more effective against legal challenges if it just put that money into propaganda and direct lobbying.

#anti ao3 #anti otw

[fiercynn]

i think i just need to stop putting as much effort into calling out otw/ao3's bullshit. it's not like i'm ever going to stop being mad about their racism & anti-blackness & zionism & bad finances & mistreatment of volunteers, but i've spent SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT talking about it over the years (primarily on twitter until more recently here) and it just burns me out like nothing else because of how futile it feels. fandom is so ready to excuse otw/ao3 of literally anything and like, for fucking what? so you get your privileged fantasy of "escapism" in your fanworks, despite the cost to others? and like for so long i was talking about this shit with the hopes that it would help make otw better, not trying to tear it down. but in the past year i've lost even the infinitesimal fraction of hope i ever had for otw actually changing.

idk. me saying this is part of a decades-long lineage of fans of color, particularly black fans, who have been driven out or burnt out by racism and bigotry in fandom, not least stitch, who has been harassed off of ever social media platform they had a voice on for being one of the most brilliant fan scholars to fight against anti-blackness and racism in fandom. but it didn't start with stitch and it won't end with stitch because fandom is, and always has been, far more committed to bigotry than to community.

i'll never stop calling stuff out when i see it but putting time and effort into trying to create change at otw feels not only horrible, but also harmful to my work in the many, many other places i'm trying to make change, so i really should just keep my attention there.

anyway if you agree with all this please support stitch and their work through their website stitch's media mix (including their patreon linked there), and read and sign dhobi ki kutti's fanworkers international coalition statement of solidarity with palestine

#this is as much a reminder/statement for myself as it is for anyone else lol #i've thought this many times but i feel like if i post it publicly i might start actually committing to it? idk #ao3 #archive of our own #organization for transformative works #otw #anti-blackness #zionism #fandom racism

[elhopper1sm]

Tomorrow is the big call in day to oppose KOSA. This bill concerns everyone online. Go to BadInternetBills.com. Call your Senators. Send them a Fax through FaxZero. Sign the petition. And go to Senate.gov to communicate directly with them.

#fuck kosa #kosa bill #kosa lies #kids online safety act #bad internet bills #anti censorship #pro ao3 #ao3 #otw #organization for transformative works #lgbtq community #lgbtq

[seepunkrun]

Another month, another OTW newsletter that makes no mention of what the org is doing to fight racist harassment on its platforms.

You know what else it doesn't mention? That the minutes for the March 27th Board Meeting have finally been posted. This was the meeting with the first ever update on the OTW’s diversity work.

Why not send the OTW a note requesting they add a regular section to future newsletters for updates on their diversity, equity, and inclusion work? You can send it to Communications or the OTW Board. If you've already sent them a note, send another. I did.

Here's what I wrote:

It's been almost a year since the OTW published its vision statement pledging greater transparency and I am once again writing to ask that you add a dedicated section to the monthly OTW newsletters to provide updates on the organization's anti-racist work. Making this a regular part of your newsletters will show this work is a priority for the org and that there is progress being made, even if it's incremental. For example, April's newsletter missed an opportunity to join the conversation about racism in fannish spaces when it didn't even mention that the minutes from the March 27th Board Meeting have been posted, a meeting that included the first ever update on the OTW's diversity work. A summary of this update would have been an excellent addition to the newsletter. After all, fans can't read this information if they don't know it's out there!

You’re welcome to borrow or adapt my letter. If you write your own, considering sharing it to encourage others, and please, spread the word.

And, now, a little fact-finding poll:

#organization for transformative works #otw #archive of our own #ao3 #anti-racist action #fandom #poll #signal boost please

[hyp3rfixation-h3ll]

not to get into discourse mode on here but the recent shit w/ ao3 being once again called out for being run by racists/genocide supporters and seeing so many fucking Absolute Gormless Shitheads blindly defend OTW and going " dOn'T bRiNg FiCtIoNaL PoLiTicS iNtO tHis!!!111!1 " as if they are not immune to propaganda is wild . my siblings in sin , ao3 is literally The Racism Fetish Fanfiction site , and propaganda via fictional work is exactly how racism perpetuates. ao3 and the otw are a part of the problem whether you choose to acknowledge it or not because they contribute to the cycle of violence , fetishisation and colonisation of marginalised groups via complacency (and sometimes even blatant PASSIVE ENCOURAGEMENT) , and then they cover it up by using soft cutesy buzzwords like " anti-censorship " and " free speech " and their dumb ass complex tagging system to appeal to white people , so when Actual Minorities and people affected by the shit they put on there speak up about it they're met with all kinds of bullcrap about "jUsT bLoCk ThE tAg If It'S a PrObLem1111!111" or "YoU'rE jUsT bEiNg a fAnDoM cOp!11!!"

You're a part of the problem if you support ao3 and actively continue to use it & donate to them , especially in the wake of the OTW being actively chockful of zionists who will , ironically , silence those who speak up and rally with Palestine for liberation . And If you decide to take this as me being hostile towards you or trying to " bring fiction into real world issues " , remember that at Any point in time you can go on ao3 for yourself and find thousands and thousands of raceplay fics and other various works that glorify and condone racism , and that the otw and their large userbase (primarily composed of white people!) has a track record of trying to shut up POC when this issue is brought to light .

Idgaf if ao3 is for " anti-censorship " , because there's a difference between anti-censorship and HIDING BEHIND the concept of free speech and the 1st amendment to do and say awful , horrendous things and believe you're above critique , punishment or consequences for it .

tl;dr: fuck ao3, fuck the otw, free palestine, and most importantly: you are NOT and will NEVER be immune to propaganda if you choose to ignore it because it benefits you.

#the captain's rambles #ao3 #archive of our own #racism cw #free palestine #🍉 #otw #ask to tag #also its dumb to request not bringing politics into the topic of ao3 #the concept of anti / pro-censorship Is a political statement #anyways. this isnt even touching on the nasty shit ao3 will let you put on their site about Real People (INCLUDING REAL CHILDREN) #mfs be like “you guys are so worried about fictional kids!11!!” yeah cuz if thats what youre willing to write about fictional kids #then how the Fuck am i supposed to trust Your bitch ass with writing about Real Children in a Normal manner #btw ao3 / otw bootlickers who try n come in here and go ERM ACKSHUALLY will be shot at on sight by my rocket launcher #fiction bleeds into reality and can and DOES influence it you dickless jabronies . that's Literally why The Jaws Effect is a phenomenon #and why racist propaganda (like what the IOF spreads) is so effective #you cannot rally against the oppressor and side with them at the same time because “muh fanfic site” #pick a side or get out you spineless fucks #oh and btw. if you try to equate this with just mindless discourse you're incorrect and undermining the larger issue here #which is Literally #otw and ao3 are built off of racist and arguably white supremacist values and THAT is why they fire people -- #-- for having the oh so heinous opinion of “hey. racism is Bad.” and allow fics that condone racism and fetishise it on their site. #and post. this has been your once in a lifetime tumblr rant from sonic t hedgehog about why white people in fandom more often than not #fucking suck Butt Ass & absolute Balls #im gonna go shower and get some tuna now

[unforth]

Since I've seen several posts floating around that try to rebut the points of @end-otw-racism by saying that AO3 is too big to moderate, can we PLEASE take a moment and remember that AO3 IS ALREADY HEAVILY MODERATED.

We all know the obvious one - that if you post anything about monetizing fic, you will be moderated into oblivion. We also all know why! This is essential to AO3's survival as a non-profit! No one would propose changing this!

But a lot of people seem to forget that AO3 is moderated in other ways! For a personal example, several years ago I got a "change this or we're removing your work" e-mail. The work in question? A collection of pseudo-ficlets that were somewhere between outlines and sketchy fics. What I got moderated for? I said in the a/n that if anyone wanted to expand my kinda-outliney nonsense into fully fleshed out stories, they were welcome to do so! I was told this was a violation of the ToS, because fics that are collections of prompts aren't allowed, and that if I didn't change the a/n I'd have to delete the work. Of course I edited the a/n, and my work was allowed, and I moved on. I did, immediately, delete another work I'd posted, which WAS literally sets of prompts I'd written free to a good home. It was clearly in violation of those rules, and I just hadn't realized content like that wasn't allowed.

Numerous things are forbidden on AO3 and will get moderated and potentially deleted, including:

advertising

"find a fic" posts

spam

plagiarized works

virus spreading

doxxing

actual CSAM

lots of other stuff as listed in the tos

If the foundation of your argument is "AO3 is too big to moderate" your argument is bad. AO3 is already moderated.

So that means your ACTUAL argument is "I think AO3 is moderated enough as-is and I don't think AO3 should be moderated in a way that might better protect fans of color."

Having that attitude despite the many, many, MANY fans of colors who say "hey, we don't feel safe here, can this be better moderated to protect us?" (when, by the way, the existing harassment policy SHOULD protect them but clearly isn't being implemented in ways that actually DOES protect them!)

Well. That's sure a take.

(TO BE CLEAR: I am anti-censorship. I am pro-moderation. I am pro-AO3. I fucking love your dark fic, your underage works, your non-con stories, your kinky pwp with "no redeeming qualities," your dirty-wrong-bad ego fics. I would NEVER want a solution that removed that content. And I believe AO3 is the greatest thing to happen to fic in my lifetime and I want it to continue to be the wonderful thing it is. I think that what AO3 already is can be reconciled with the demands of fans of color that they be better protected. I believe fans of color when they say that the current policies don't protect them adequately, that they don't feel safe, that this drives them out of white western fandom. I've listened a lot, and I've seen a lot, and I've learned a lot, and I want AO3 to be better than it is in this regard. I'm honestly kinda depressed how many people seem comfortable with the status quo.)

#unforth rambles #racism #end racism in the otw #end otw racism #the specific post i saw made me so angry it's taken me the better part of a week to cool down enough to speak coherently about it #way to write a HUGE post that all starts from a very false premise #well two false premises actually #the first is that the end otw racism movement is calling for content to be deleted #which it's not literally no one is saying read billions of words of fanfic to protect fans of color #that's an absurd thing to say and everyone involved knows it's absurd so nice straw man #but even more fundamental than that HELLO THERE IS ALREADY HEAVY MODERATION #enforce the rules that are ALREADY THERE #BE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING #these are not unreasonable requests #i'm really starting to think some people can't be bothered to actually read what's being asked for #and are instead seeing what they want to see there #and to be clear i also am surely reading the text with rose-colored glasses #i don't want to see yes we mean deletion yes we mean removal #i personally want a solution that's both as anti-censorship as possible and also is pro moderation and protects people #so that's the lens I read things through #but I KNOW the lens I'm reading it through and I KNOW that lens may be coloring my interpretations #have you taken a moment to take off your glasses and see how they might be coloring your own intepretations #because maybe you should