#and i guess i just want confirmation

[papermint-airplane]

Urgent critique request!

Should I continue my Bachelor save or should I fold Aiden into another save? Hmm. 🤔

I don't think many people read my Bachelor save, probably because it's not an actual Bachelor challenge but a story narrative in Bachelor challenge clothes. It's a little out there but I enjoy the characters a lot and I don't want to let them go, especially Aiden. Should I drop the Bachelor thing and continue their story in another way?

And I'm not asking because I've run out of ideas, because I have a lot more things I'd like to do. I've held off posting it just because it doesn't get much attention. Maybe it's because my pictures for it are kinda uninteresting or maybe because it's a weird premise that doesn't come through very clearly. I won't be rebooting it entirely, just leading the story in a different direction away from the "abducted and forced to compete in a reality TV dating show broadcast across the galaxy via pirate signal for potentially nefarious reasons". Does that set up even come across in my writing or is it too vague? Is the premise getting in the way of the narrative?

This isn't me giving up or fishing for compliments, I'm genuinely asking because I don't know if I'm taking the ideas in my head as "of course this comes across fine" without clarifying things that need to be clarified. Maybe the way I've been writing it is just confusing. Does that make sense?

I'm definitely keeping the characters, though. Just... maybe they could be in a different situation? Maybe give Aiden more time in the forefront? And if I do soft-reboot it, what would you be interested in seeing?

#sims 3 #sims 3 stories #help please #critique my story #don't be afraid of hurting my feelings #i have felt this way for a while #and i guess i just want confirmation

[sysig]

Blind side (Patreon)

#Doodles #UT #Handplates #Sans #Papyrus #Gaster #Sans closing his good eye every once in a while and keeping his blind eye open - obviously he does so in-game as well so it's a style-match #It's just interesting in the context of him being textually-confirmed blind in Handplates hehe #There's a level of vulnerability there! Not more than closing both eyes around someone - and potentially also distrust! #''I'm baring myself blind right now but /you/ don't need to know that'' - it suits him ♪ #Especially when he does it around Papyrus! Because obviously Papyrus knows about his partial blindness #But when he's trying to be duplicitous - the way he looks at him sidelong with his blind eye when he's trying to lie unsuccessfully ugh <3 #And again-again it being about how much he trusts Papyrus! That he can be a little lazy or spacey and Papyrus will help him! #Also something about his entire right side being impaired - pawing around with his plated hand for something he can't see on that side #The dynamics! Internal and external! Very good like them lots #And then there's Gaster lol ♪ Throw him into the mix I'm sure it won't make a mess at all haha #I guess he's visiting? Just spacing out - he and Sans have a lot on their minds - separately haha #I do love how Sans pushes Gaster to be kind to Papyrus - very deservedly! He wants Papyrus to be happy of course #And he's obviously still angry with Gaster a lot but how might that present itself when Papyrus is Papyrus at Gaster hehe #Even just in that small jokey way of ''you tryin' to step on my turf?'' hehehe #Especially since the comparison wouldn't even come up if he had two functioning eyes hm?? Right Gaster???? Lol #Speaking of that scene and Sans' partial blindness tho ughhughuhg <3 <3 The fact that Sans stands with Gaster to his blind side #It's the vulnerability/distaste/confidence of it all! He's grown up so much it's all right there in how he holds himself #That he either trusts Gaster enough not to attack him - starting to believe him - or that he has enough faith in himself to protect himself #And only looking at him with his peripherals unless he looks directly at him hghhhgh I am Normal about shot composition I swear lol #Also I like how that last panel turned out lol - Sans just appears at the bottom of the steps like how's it going. care to gtfo thx

[delizbin]

Effie’s first year as an escort was… interesting! Life threatens aside (and some death here and there), the parties and dresses were nice :)

#I am aware this is not the kind of “wall” scenario you all wanted but I have something in mind okay stick with me #be patient #:) #he would never threaten her the first year c’mon … wouldn’t he tho? #black and white because my mind doesn’t properly function so this is the maximum of productivity for me I guess #hayffie #this really happened I was there I can confirm this #he isn’t a ray of sunshine for sure #she must have tried to interfere at the beginning just to drop the ball 3 years in or so #hoping for the promotion right #this is my blog I write whatever I want in the tags okay? okay #shish I really just want to shut myself up sometimes #while am I still writing aah #capisc just popped into my head and I had to make him say that for some reason #he was drunk of course but at least he didn’t vomit on her here and there

[eddiezpaghetti]

It has come to my attention that SOME OF YOU who read my last Byler post remain UNCONVINCED. So I'm gonna tack onto it this:

I'm older than fucking God and air, and I've been out and proud since 2007. Yes, I know what homophobia is, and yes, I know what queerbaiting is. I know about Supernatural and Teen Wolf and Sherlock and blahdyblahdyblah. No new ground is being covered here. I thought I made that clear in the original post, but, clearly, I did not.

I am aware of queerbaiting and homophobia, and I'm still wholeheartedly certain in Byler being canon anyway.

Okay, so there are three types of relationship I want to discuss when it comes to queerbaiting. They're all, like, "queer relationships that could have happened, but didn't".

First off, queer-coding. This isn't really a thing so much anymore, but it still crops up every once in a while. I'd argue it probably happens most with male-male relationships in family shows these days. First example that comes to mind is Mr. Smiley and Mr. Frowny from Steven Universe. You can't make a relationship canon because some shitty overhead bastard overhead said no, so you get as close as you can without compromising the show. Can't make someone gay? Well, now their comedy routine is a blatant allegory for a romantic relationship. Boom-shaka-laka. This is something I don't see being a problem with regards to Stranger Things, but I want it to be there as contrast, a demonstration of one of many things queerbaiting is not. However, one could argue that, thus far, Will Byers is, canonically, queer-coded. It's pretty fucking heavily implied in the show, and the creators have confirmed it, and you're gonna be able to see it if you're not FUCKING BLIND, but word of god is not technically canon which means that interviews don't technically make something canon, blahdyblahdyblahdyblah, technicalities, Robin has been explicitly stated in the text to be queer while Will has, thus far, not, outside of good ol' Show-Don't-Tell. Of course, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell that that's going to change by the end of Season 5, but, hey, for what it's worth, I'm throwing this out there.

Alrighty, Thingamajingama Number Two: "Oops, I accidentally made the greatest love story known to man." AKA, a genuine, honest-to-goodness mistake. Unfortunately, we do live in a heteronormative society. Sometimes people who don't think about being gay much write a friendship that's incredibly compelling and don't even consider the possibility that it could have been read as romantic. Something something Top Gun something. This is, again, not queerbaiting. This is Steddie, this is Ronance, this is Elmax, this is your favorite flavor of non-canon ship this week, this is not Byler. The creators know DAMN well what they're doing. They've talked about it. We know this. Nothing new here.

Which brings us to the topic of discussion here. Actual queerbaiting. This usually starts out as an "accidental greatest love story", and then reacts to fan response. And when I say "reacts", I mean like a goddamn chemical reaction. Like bleach and ammonia, bitch. It's noxious and it's gonna kick your fucking ass without mercy. This is when a creator is like, "Hey, let's get our queer audience invested, but we're not actually going to give them what they want because our straight audience isn't here for that/we personally think it's gross/we don't give enough of a shit to want to research a goddamn thing to write a real gay character," blah blah blah whatever excuse they want to come up with this time.

And when you think "queerbaiting", I want you to think "bullying". Because that's what it is. It's lucrative bullying, like beating us up and taking our lunch money, but it's bullying all the same. And it's a real goddamn thing, even if people misuse the word a lot, often when they mean one of the two above, sometimes when they mean "bury your gays", which is another homophobic thing entirely that I'm not going to get into here. Queerbaiting is the thing we're focused on, and it's real, and it's bullying. And here's the reason I want you to think of it as bullying:

They

Think

It's

Funny.

They are actively making fun of us.

That's why Dean had the "Cas, get out of my ass," line in Supernatural. It's why the "Do you like boys?" line happened in Teen Wolf. It's why "Lie with me, Watson," happened in the RDJ Sherlock Holmes movies. Because "It's just a joke, mate." "It was just a prank, bro." "You didn't really think it would happen, did you?" "You should see your face."

So here's probably the biggest reason I don't think it's specifically queerbaiting in this specific instance of Will Byers and Mike Wheeler.

Stranger Things has never, not once, made a gay joke. Ever.

Every single time queerness comes up, it's dead serious.

Lonnie calls Will a fag, and the show is not at all reluctant to show what a goddamn horrible person he is. And when Hopper latches onto that, it's not as "Hahah, is he gay, though?" It's because he's trying to determine a potential motive for Will's disappearance, and even if someone had interpreted it as a joke, Joyce immediately has a line that functions as snapping her fingers in front of the audience's face and yelling "FOCUS" when she says "He's MISSING." Basically outright saying "This isn't funny!"

Troy calls him a fairy, along with targeting Lucas and Dustin for their skin color and disability respectively, and Mike gets damn near murderous. Troy is portrayed as a goddamn monster and the show portrays it as justice when El makes him piss his pants and later breaks his arm.

Steve calls Jonathan "queer" as a slur and gets the shit beat out of him for it.

Billy's father is revealed to be homophobic and abusive in the same breath.

Mike says "It's not my fault you don't like girls!" and we're shown how devastated Will is and Mike immediately follows him to beg for forgiveness.

There is a joke in Robin's coming-out scene, but it's not at Robin's expense. It's at Steve's. Specifically for being heteronormative.

Jonathan has multiple scenes where he's trying so hard to tell Will that he's always going to love him as he is, whether he's gay or not, without pressuring him to come out before he's ready.

Even when there's a little bit of ribbing at Robin's expense, it's always because she's an awkward nerd who's nervous around pretty girls, just the same as Lucas and Dustin are teased when they both first develop crushes on Max, and even then, even then, it always comes as a package deal where they make fun of Steve's girl problems at the same time.

Stranger Things is an emphatically pro-gay show. It may not be the core point of the show the way it is in, say, Our Flag Means Death, but there is nothing less than respect for its queer characters. Its queer characters are always taken completely seriously. No one is making fun of us. They never have. That's why I have serious doubts that this is queerbaiting. It would come completely out of left field for the bullying to start in Stranger Things' final season.

So it's not at all likely to be queerbaiting because queerness is taken completely seriously. The creators have talked about Will's queerness, at least, so it's not an accident. And queer-coding would be silly to expect from this show when it's already on its final season. Like, what is Netflix gonna do? Cancel it? Not to mention all the explicit queerness that's in there already. And no one's gonna "What about the children?" a show that's had sex scenes in it since the first season.

There's no fakeout here. It's gonna happen. Breathe.

#byler #Part 2 I fucking guess. #Wasn't planning on making a Part 2 but here we are. #I seriously just want you guys to feel safe. #I'm not naive. I do not say any of this shit lightly. #But I've been around the block long enough to know what queerbaiting looks like and this ain't it. Promise. #Will's already been confirmed as in love with Mike for fuck's sake. You don't think the other half of the equation's gonna follow through? #There has only ever been one other situation where I've gone 'Okay this is going in gay places' with no doubt whatsoever without being told #And that was with Daja in Tamora Pierce's 'Will of the Empress' when I read it at like sixteen or whatever #and she wound up having whole-ass fuckin' gay sex. #I was right then and I'm right now. I swear.

[royalarchivist]

[Context: While talking about how he lost his leg, Pac accidentally says "Felps" instead of "Cell"]

Pac: Felps— no, it was Cellbit. Guys, I got confused, it was a lot of trauma in my life, they bit my leg while I was awake and conscious. At that moment, I passed out, I don't remember if it was Cellbit or Felps, both of them were there.

[ Translation via @TZC_updates ]

#Pactw #Fuga Impossivel #Impossible Escape #Pac #QSMP #September 19 2023 #Someone asked me for a clip of him confirming that Felps was there when his leg was eaten #and I realized I hadn't posted a clip of it #Want to get the translation perfect for this one so relying on TZC update's translation #They're fantastic #anyways back to this clip: ow #''I don't know if it was Cellbit or Felps'' #''I was awake and conscious'' #Pac you rip my heart out #EDIT: I HAVE TRIED TO POST 5 CLIPS IN THE PAST HOUR. WHY IS THIS THE ONLY ONE TUMBLR DECIDED TO POST #Tumblr has a Pac bias just like me I guess #Translated

[bicappy]

st4t

p.s. i think that drawing eddie w top surgery scars that look like bats is literally the best thing in the entire world

#ive seen other aritst draw him like that and it makes me scream sob like??? #anyway #trans rights #eddie munson #stranger things #steddie #steve harrington #trans eddie munson #trans steve harrington #yeah weve seen steve bare chest like multiple times but #guess what its my hyperfixation and they can be trans if i want canon be damned #also just to confirm thats TRANS TAPE not bandages or duct tape bind safely kids

[emberglowfox]

This is kinda spoilers, but can you draw your reaction after getting all the dragon tears?

how bout both

#literally was texting like four different people “I FUCKING KNEW IT” i called it soooo far in advance just off of the little clues and still #actually watching the cutscenes and having it confirmed was gutwrenching. my god. poor zelda #totk spoilers #totk #link #loz #my art #my comics #ask #anon #I STILL HAVE NOT FINISHED THE GAME PLEAAASE DONT SEND ME / TAG W SPOILERS BEYOND THIS im so close #sona #i guess lol #if anyone wants the version of this w just link im keeping the psd just ask

[luck-of-the-drawings]

smth smth about 'the thing that the character did that you thought was rly rly funny in the moment is actually linked to a terrible trauma that lies within said character.' or wahtever.

#jrwi show #jrwi fanart #jrwi riptide #gillion tidestrider #made this within a short span of wahtever bc i gotta go up to the mountains for my stupid gay job tonight n im trying #nnot to frrRREAAAK THE FUCK OUUTTTTTTi dont wanna work but. get that bread we fuckin shall i guess #ONWARDS TO THE FISH TORMENT!! sometimes flowers feel pain when you trim them before their blossoming. atleast i imagine so #i used to draw gillion with loooong hair tied into a big ol braid. and then it was confirmed that he had short hair when he was little. #AT FIRST I WAS SAD. but then i realized the duality of. when they were little. gill had short hair. edyn had long hair. #AND NOW THEYRE OLDER. and gillion has long hair. and edyn has short hair #both mirroring eachother. looking up to eachother. subconsciously or not. they most certainly care. and most certainly miss eachother. #GILLION ALWAYS LOVED HOW LONG HAIR LOOKs. atleast i imagine so. he hasnt cut it since he left the undersea. sure he wanted to go back home #but even at the very start. he knew he was free in some way now. free to grow out his hair. an adventure would await him before he returns. #he knew it would be a while. so he cant let this go. he cant let this sought-after hair-length get cut away from him again #not yet. not yet. i like to think he loved music too. I SAW SOMETHING INTERESTING A BIT AGO #i see alot of ppl commenting on my baby gill comics like;'i wouldFIGHT this teacher i wanna KILL EM i want them DESTROYED #all very good and nice sentiments! i LOVE the energy here! and it would be nice. to have that catharsis #but the story of young tidestrider is not a story of catharsis. it is a story of agony and being so so small and so special and also so dum #and sucking so bad. and just being a kid and doing the things that a little kid does and so many tired tired people reacting badly to it #youre supposed to be the hero that will save us. our world hangs in the balance and you are the one who tips the scales. #YOU are supposed to SAVE US!! you NEED to SAVE US! CAN YOU PLEASE STOP SQUIRMING IN YOUR STUPID CHAIR!! #you'd think that young tidestrider ought to prevail. and be tucked someplace all safe and sound. #elders gone missing and rotting in a jail. their cultists nowhere around. but theres no happy endings. not here not now. #this tale is all sorrows n woes. you may dream that justice n peace win the day. but thats not how this story goes #BIG ideas for this lil baby gillion series. if anything i make ever gets disproven im killing myself in a well as to poison a water supply

[pseudokap]

vyncent sol if i was president

#jrwi fanart #jrwi #prime defenders #pseudokart #my art #vyncent sol #the k刀ife shirt is the best thing i´ve ever created #graphic design is my passion i guess #projects my facial features onto him #one day i'll draw more than character on yellow background but for now this is what is fun to me #if condi won't confirm that he's easian then i will. wdym east asian skin tone #what who said that #still need to do a full design but i just wanted to draw him

[sonego]

it's kinda funny to me that interviewers still think THEY are special and THEY are gonna be the one to make jannik answer the questions he never answers (fully) and give away more than he wants to... you're literally not gonna make him publicly say anything he doesn't mean to say no matter who you are sorry

#like. #that vanity fair interviewer trying to play chess with jannik and also psychoanalyzing his body language i'm #dude even i know his body language when he doesn't want to answer a question that doesn't mean you have the upper hand over him sorryy #also trying to be like “oh i know you don't want to answer these kinds of questions! let me try to make you anyway by being 'sneaky' tho” #IT DOESN'T WORKKKKK MY GUY! #this isn't even like a critique it's just like. it's not gonna work. why are you even trying #i understand that's their job it's just like. funny. jannik is not gonna fall for cheap tricks #but yeah we did get i guess confirmation that he wants to protect the people close to him AND that he sees it as a duty #which tbh i knew already but still #nico.txt

[s1ithers]

ok one post about the ign interview bc the bit about the evil route just hit so weird

putting aside my initial reaction that it's a condescending way to treat your audience, it's like genuinely—what's the point of an evil run? what do people want out of that? many possible answers, my main one would be to explore a character with different motivations. but they went with, 'let the player indulge the worst impulses they're assumed to have and then punish them for it,' and, why?

yeah, killing the tieflings is heinous and feels bad. but discussion that takes the scenario itself as a given and goes 'how could you the player choose to do this horrible thing, of course there's less content, what did you expect' like man...i wanted to see the other option in your branching-choices rpg. you, the writers, have full control over this whole setup. a secondary/evil route could have been anything. you chose to make it this. why put it in if it's a narrative dead-end that just exists a moral gotcha? why center the big act 1 choice point around that?

it feels like a dm going hey dipshit, if you keep killing all my npcs there's not going to be any story, which, fair. but you're making a video game, you hold all the cards. why so much focus on rebuking the worst kind of players when you're free to just not write avenues for that kind of behavior into the plot

it's like they're wedded to one conception of what an 'evil' playstyle is that they feel obligated to but don't really respect or want to write for. by dnd law, we HAVE to include The Evil Route where you kill everybody indiscriminately, but if you take it you're bad and you should feel bad. and again, just....why spend the resources on smth you have contempt for. it doesn't have to be wanton destruction. there's a thousand more interesting ways to do dark side characters. why not come up with an alternative way for PCs to interact with the plot that you're actually enthused about writing?

#well the budget factor i guess #i'm not even that big on playing evil in rpgs it wouldn't get my goat the way it does except #i think the whole thing is brought down by this sort of heavy-handedness they keep confirming isn't just my imagination #like roleplay comes in two modes. goody twoshoes & murderhobo #i don't want to play either of those man i just want to play an assortment of little guys who belong to world they live in #tho the one writer who said he likes playing evil bc it's shorter and you get more cool fights........he is real for that #bg3 #ok i'm done bitching about this lol #i've got it out of my system #like the take that an empty world is 'true reactivity' i.e. truer than swapping in different content. i'm just. i'm just. #how is that not just putting your story on rails. i'm #ok i'm done for real

[arabela25]

Carpe Diem, Joker Out | Slovenia, Eurovision Song Contest 2023

#eurovision #eurovision 2023 #esc #joker out #slovenia #slovenia '23 #carpe diem #another one that underperformed I guess #but I'm sure they'll be fine #how have you guys been? today I had an interview for a job I'm pretty sure I don't actually want #it's too far away and it's in 3 shifts #I could do either but both?? we didn't talk actual €€ but I don't think it'll be worth it #driving more than 45 mins to start at midnight?? I don't think so #I got there and the hr person is actually a woman my age I went to high school with (and same university too) #and one of the other women also looked familiar and that's because she went to the same high school too only she's a year older #ofc the job I actually want has been silent since last week when they did confirm they got my resume #idk it doesn't take that long to look at it and conclude I don't fit the profile (and I don't) #and just tell me 'no thank you'

[icewindandboringhorror]

........creachure

#cats #his eyes are always so big and weird he no longer looks like a cat anymore sometimes.. in a way... #it's hard to understand.. complicated vibes on this boy #his summer sprawl (laying flopped out on the floor weird because of the heat) #I AM still trying to get some costumes done and also post another poll advtnure so I can finally finish it lol #the weather this month has just been soooo.... There was the heat wave and then after like 2 days of coolenss where I was like 'ah! finally #I can be productiv!' but just as soon as I had recovered from the heat.. it got hot again ghhhh #currently sweating inside. I actually had to leave my doctors appointment early today because I was just so so warm from #sitting in the car and the fac tthat half the buildings still do not have their air up very high and etc. and I felt so nausous #and flushed and started to get back and stomach pains for some reason.. Which I guess is good in a way to further confirm to doctors that #I Have Something Wrong With Me lol (most normal people should not be this heat sensitive I think) but is also still a little stinky #because I still payed a copay for the fulla appointment time but cit it short by leaving 15minues early.. grrr #ANYWAY. It seems like recently it's just hot all the time but it will ocasionally tempt you with a cool day of reprieve BUT don't let your #guard down! because as soon as you start to think 'hey things are getting better! :0' the sun will be like NO actualy. scalding temperature #be upon ye.. #Which of COURSE. I would rather have hot weather with little breaks in between than just constant hot weather. 100% definitely. #but it just always makes me sad because I get my hopes up lol.. JUST as I've recovered from the past heat and am So Ready To Start #On All My Things now That I'm Not As Sick And Hey Maybe It's Even Cool Enough To Do A Costume! .. my hopes are dashed #.. woe and so on and so forth. . Which I am stil managing to get a few things done but just.. not the things I really WANT to do (costumes. #sculptures. edit videos. etc. ). #anyway.. look at son.. If nothing else I still have lots of cat photos.. my sole productivity offerings to the internet online world

[loveserum]

due to my incredible need to be an absolute nightmare, I have information I wish I could delete forever from my brain

#If she met someone else #and is dating her #and making time for her #and being nice to her #and generally considering her in her day to day plans and life #I’ll jump off a cliff x #eventually. I’ll be happy for her #but for now? fuck you. #what’s crazy is I know it’ll happen eventually and it’s inevitable and actually it’s a good thing #but also if I see someone else get a version of her that I wanted so so so badly to exist #I guess I’d just be really fucking sad. #just a confirmation it wasn’t meant to be I guess x #personal

[johnslittlespoon]

also my inbox is fr a warzone rn i'm SO behind on like ~50 asks </3 itching to get back, just been trying to focus on actual fic writing when i get in a rare productive swing instead of hrs of drabbling and brainrot lmfaooo but i'll clear up a whole evening eventually to sit down and go thru a ton of them!

#or maybe i'll secretly do that one evening and queue up a shit ton of drabble responses to go up every 30 min teehee #who knows it's always a guessing game w my focus levels #speaking of not to irl–post but i am 2 weeks into new adhd meds and feeling FRIED and it's affecting my writing productivity #so that's my disclaimer/excuse for my lack of posts tbh bc i feel like everything i am writing lately is so lackluster/uninspired #so i don't wanna put out half–assed drabbles when i have so many Thoughts and Feelings about each ask that i wanna put into proper words!! #i'm saving them for when little bursts of inspo break thru the new med brain fog u feel me #and aside from that. slowly slowly working my way thru the (now confirmed: chaptered yikes) dog coded fic <3 slowly but surely anyway ^-^ #point is: i am so eager to respond/brainrot to all the ideas in my inbox i don't want u askers to think i am overwhelmed or ignoring asks #just fighting thru tha brain fog such is life we move #johnslittlespoon yaps

[istopaskingmemate]

why does lmk keep using "companions" to describe the relationship between the pilgrims? it's so wired. Like nobody uses companions in a normal sentence. I'm almost at the point where I think they're doing it intentionally as a euphemism for gay or perhaps more likely Quear Platonic relationships. if I wasn't so highly familial relationship, didn't find those relationships between the pilgrim icky (they either call each other brother or there's a huge power imbalance), and didn't know that there will never be gay in lmk cause China sucks I'd have totally say that's what they're going for and wukong didn't just lose his friends/brothers but partners.

#lego monkie kid #sun wukong #tripitaka #zhu bajie #sha wujing #ao lie #pilgrems #honestly it could still be the case even with that last point because like the pilgrims are dead so it would never have to be brought up in #the show the creators could just confirm after the show finishes that China can't cancel them #it's more likely Queer platonic than straight gay since they alsave maybe Zhu Bajileare celibacy so having sex is off the table. #besides wukong is an aroace king and tripitaka would never want to have sex because he is a good Buddist boy (aka he's probably ace too) #as for sha wujing and ao lie... I don't know ao lie was a horse then entire time./j #they would have had sex with a wemon at some point since sandy and mei are their desendents or at least mei is #but I'm guess it was before the jttw