#ancient greek influence

[doodlerose]

#agamemnon #menelaus #patroclus #digital art #I learned that Agamemnon and Menalaus was exiled and thought this was funny #The funniest part about this is Peleus seeing this and being like yesss #What a good influence for my son #It was weird to try and draw young Agamemnon or Menelaus without a beard #greek mythology #classics #ancient greece #the illiad #greek myth art

[irate-iguana]

Help.

#you take a myth course or an introduction to classics course #you decide that you might as well take some ancient greek and latin classes to deepen your understanding. why not? #you realize that in order to properly understand these languages‚ you need to know a bit about the languages they were influenced by #maybe you start with middle egyptian and it spirals from there #and since you know english and you know latin‚ you might as well take old english‚ right? that would be fun and interesting #by this point you have decided that you’re gonna be the person who deciphers linear a. you take more language courses #classics #tagamemnon #original post #shitpost #anyway i’m on step 3. i gotta take some more languages to deepen my understanding of ancient greek. what language should i start with? #meme dump

[sarafangirlart]

If your understanding of Hephaestus as a character and his relationship with Aphrodite comes solely from the GOW Games maybe stfu idk

#I’ve been seeing so many annoying dudebros acting like they know the mythology #calling Hephaestus and Aphrodite all kinds of names #ppl complain about the negative influence Lore Olympus had on pop culture’s perception of mythology #we don’t talk enough about how the god of war ga #games do the same thing but with gamers #greek mythology #ancient greek mythology #hephaestus greek mythology #hephaestus god #hephastios #hephaestus x aphrodite #hephaestus #hephaistos

[radlymona]

ENOUGHHHHH

#every single tag on the post is like this #‘oh I can’t believe the gay ass country hasn’t legalised yet’ #as if a) Ancient Greece didn’t practise pederasty influenced by a hatred of women #and b) modern Greece isn’t extraordinarily homophobic and religious #like the way people talk about the tags they genuinely believe we still believe in Greek gods #at this point I have to wonder how many people know orthodox Christianity is overwhelmingly the main religion #and furthermore calling Greeks q*eer where any actual translations of the word is unequivocally a swear #but ofc the one using another slur is almost certainly a straight girl so what’s the fucking point #trying to celebrate lgb greeks being given the right to marry and a pathway to actual equal rights #being completely overshadowed by a heartless western perception that ignores the real suffering of Greeks #in favour of romanticised view of ancient Greeks #posts that repeak me

[hanzajesthanza]

thinking about all of the wonderful book witcher designs that i’ve seen from fanartists across decades of fandom (i.e., way before i joined the fandom) and how different everyone’s designs are, yet how they all are so similar because we’re all inspired by the same descriptions, we’re all working with the same text. the distinguishing features come from creating based upon our personal interpretations and imaginations, which are unique to us. and yet all images, in all of their differences, are the same character, the same description, the same text

#like its no matter if you want to draw something influenced by the games or even netflix or whatever but to me it is so fcking beautiful #when an artist just draws based on a text description and isnt influenced by any pre-existing design for that specific character #and then thinking about all the different interpretations of such a character that ive seen #its like all the same guy (or girl) but different minds thinking alike and it makes me feel so happy and good to exist #as part of like a community thats bustling with ideas and artists and different takes #lol it doesnt have to be the witcher i think any art based on something literary is really cool because writing as a medium has no images #so its up to the artist to decide and interpret based on their text #like for instance illustrated manuscripts from the middle ages depicting like ancient greek myths but everyone is dressed in period fashion #txt

[maxellminidisc]

Greek and Roman power structures are why I hesitate to call most things people call "queer" about their societies queer on the internet or like when people ask the stupid question of "Do you think theyd be into bdsm?" I'm like do you WANT that kind of inherently bad for consent society to be into bdsm???

Putting my thoughts under a read more cause its lengthy and something that I've wanted to talk about for a while now!

Like I'm sure queer relationships with like 1) no weird power dynamic and 2) pedastry existed in these societies, we have always existed, but it would not have been easy. They most likely still would have had to have played the part of a man who followed the rule and roles of what a MAN had to to be considered a man on the surface of society, because if they didnt, they would've been ridiculed and seen as lesser men. A big example of one such rule in the sexual realm is men could not and should not be penetrated; penetration was the domain of those lesser than men, if you were a man who liked being penetrated you were a fucking joke. They would've even been called perverse for not having a weird power dynamic in their romantic or sexual relationship with other men.

Slaves, young boys, slave boys, etc were basically equivalent to women in classical Greek society: they are those below the status of men and thus suitable objects of ones sexual desires. Like think about how fucked up that is??? And on top of that courting was also fundamentally tied to this perception of these groups of lesser status and required guidelines, so seeming genuinely invested and lovesick in ones relationship to these lesser beings was also seen as ridiculous.

Like it was all seen as taboo for the WRONG reasons. They'd would be so confused, ridicule you, or frankly be pissed if you pointed out how awful the inherit vacuum for consent these dynamics are and rife for abuse of power these relationships would have been to begin with because you're basically questioning the standards of classical Greek masculinity.

And I also wish we discussed more how the classical periods in Greece and Rome played a part in contemporary homophobia. Like it's not all 100% the result of Christianity moving into these societies, but more so a chain with Christianity being the biggest domino to fall at the end. Rome in particular was influenced by these sexual and social ideas of class and sexual dynamics in Greece, so the undercurrent of homophobia inherit to those ideas made Christianity all the more appealing for aligning with those already establied ideas.

In the end sex was basically used the same way everything else was to men in classical Greek and Roman society: its about power, gaining power, flexing that power and through this, raising ones status in these societies. It left very little room for partnerships of equals and the little room that was there was probably incredibly suffocating for anyone who didn't want to abide by these rules and standards of masculinity or others of which they were expected to.

#like i think scholastically we really do a diservce to the honest history of both of these periods #by describing them with contemporary language of homosexuality #cause like idk to me society worked so differently that it was its own thing and requires its own language #which is why i think unfortunately gay people especially latch on to this fantasy of classical greece and rome #oh and also i will admit when we usually discuss classical Greece its usually under the banner of ancient Athens #other greek districts had like different rules and shit but if is fair to say generalising through Athens #is safe cause well Athens had a lot of influences on other city states in classical greece #you know the whole delian league and shit... #ok thats soo long its just a lot of info is linked im shutting up now aoskskdks

[turiyatitta]

Unveiling the African Essence in Eastern Philosophy

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#African influence #ancestral wisdom #ancient Egypt #Black History Month #Eastern Philosophy #Greek philosophy #Interconnectedness #nonduality #spiritual synergy #Transcendental Meditation #Ubuntu #Yoruba

[shrimpchipsss]

as sure as flowers grow along the western wall,

#the queen's thief #attolia irene #eugenides #sounis sophos #attolia #attolis #sounis #the more im learning abt ancient greek/roman/byzantine clothing the more im like ah what ive drawn makes no sense #the influences im drawing from span centuries good thing this isnt meant to be strictly historically accurate #FUN THOUGH the way someone like irene goes old fashioned On Purpose to send a message #young caeser 2000 by the mountain goats #eddis #eddis helen #tqt

[andromedaexists]

thinking real hard about translations today, specifically translations of the Iliad

One of the things that Ehrman has instilled in us through class is that we, as translators, have to make a decision on what word to use and i just think that a lot of people used the wrong word for μῆνιν

i mean, the line is μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος (Sing, O Muse, of the wrath/anger of Achilles, son of Peleus)

and notice I put wrath/anger there, those are the two most common translations of μῆνιν. Wrath or Anger. but I don't think that does the story justice. Maybe it's because I've got my own story that I'm writing through the lens of the sublime and the wrath of the Gods but I think those words aren't strong enough.

I mean, book 21 Achilles doesn't get angry and throw a tantrum. Book 21 Achilles rages. Book 21 Achilles kills a God and nearly ends the Trojan War like years too early. Like, mans had to be put down like a rabid dog because he was going to upend the Trojan War Cycle and the Gods couldn't have that

that's not anger, hell, I'd say that's not even wrath

That's Rage

I think the first line should allude to that, gimme something like: Sing, O Muse, of the Rage of Achilles, son of Peleus. gimme the foreshadowing! make it dramatic! we all know the greeks loved drama, gimme!!

anyways, i'll def be using rage in my own translation but like. it's right there. and every translator has to make their own decision on what word to use, but also rage is RIGHT THERE

#anyways make the ancient greeks dramatic 2k23 #y'all know they would be eating this shit up #there are also like a million translations of the iliad so there may be some that use rage that i just don't know about #but i just i'm very passionate about this old ass story #also don't come at me about Θεὰ as muse #i got so hung up on anger that i haven't even begun to think about that outside of just going with what everyone else uses #specifically ehrman #ehrman influences a lot of my linguistic decisions #read: a lot of decisions are made because he actively cringes when i say them and that's a win

[oleworm]

I must be one of the few people in the world who didn't bother to find out how the Peloponnesian war ended because Thucydides died in the middle of it, and well, there were other books I wanted to read after that instead of one of the continuations from where Thucydides left off.

#why didn't I just look it up on Wikipedia? #I don't know #I suppose I did #I was more interested in how Thucydides influenced the writing of history #what information was considered important and what wasn't #and the chasm that exists between the meanings of Ancient Greek terms #and the modern words with almost identical ways of writing them but whose meanings were distorted since #unless you're a specialist most would assume these words with their meanings are the same

[aristoteliancomplacency]

Way back Last year sometime the Pixel Daily theme was ‘silence’. So here is the ancient Egyptian god of silence: Harpocrates.

#sometimes I make things: Pixel Art edition #ancient Egyptian god of silence #harpocrates #definitely no Greek influence there #nope #none at all #Not even gonna Look at the Wikipedia Page for This

[evilasiangenius]

It was a crisp, frosty morning following an evening of light snowfall when the former nanny Melita arrived at court to visit her brother Akakios, and for this disguise Aziraphale made sure to change some garments around, wearing some new clothes instead of that old favorite himation or the pleated chiton. After all, humans loved new clothes and if Aziraphale was going to be perfectly honest, so did he. Or she, for that matter, as she was now, at least for the afternoon.

As she walked down the colonnade toward the inner palace, she paused to glance at a courtyard. The pebbled mosaics could not be seen under a shroud of white, and the overcast sky seemed almost white as well, shrouded by bright-lit clouds.

She wondered when the blue sky would come back, when the earth would shake off its monotonal winter himation and trade it for a new green one, pinned with golden flowers draped about the rounded shoulders of hills.

“Oi! Melita!” Aziraphale looked up, hearing the sound of a familiar voice.

Crowley greeted her, taking her hands as if they truly were siblings. He was wearing that dashing military-style chlamys again and it sent a little flutter of envy through her, seeing him standing so tall and handsome. “Long time no see.”

Aziraphale smiled up at him, her lips tense. “Brother! You’re looking well.”

“How’s the family?”

“Oh, you know how they are,” Aziraphale said, looking around to see who was watching. “Numerous and quarrelsome...”

And then perhaps by chance or perhaps not, the colonnade quickly emptied itself as the humans around them left, going on about their own devices that just happened to be anywhere but in this particular courtyard, moving as fast as they could possibly go without setting off a panic.

“Right.” Crowley looked around as Aziraphale took her hands away reluctantly. “You ready to do this?”

“Yes, of course.” As Aziraphale rubbed her hands together, her eyes were fixed on Crowley’s fingers. “It’s not that hard.”

“Thought I’d ask you if there was something I could do to help. After all you’re doing this favor for me.”

“Just part of the job,” Aziraphale demurred. “It’s my responsibility, after all. I’ll be fine, you don’t need to worry about me.”

“I could join you? If you need some backup.”

“Best not,” Aziraphale smiled. “After all, perhaps your influence might get in the way. Signal interference. I might not be able to get as thorough of an inspection.”

“Oh right.” Crowley said, disappointed. “Forgot about the whole angel and demon thing, just for a moment. Meet me after? Let me know everything that you think I’d need to know, and then everything else as well. Just in case I can make some sort of connection somewhere.”

“Yes, of course,” Aziraphale said, though she did not suggest when or where. “I’ll be certain to tell you everything I can.”

“Sure.” Crowley sighed. “Best of luck and all that.”

x

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #ineffable husbands #female aziraphale #ineffable idiots in disguise in ancient greek times #mistakes were made #aziraphale is checking queen olympias for demonic influence #aziraphale was one of alexander the great's nannies #crowley was also one of alexander the great's nannies #crowley is also the court astrologer's servant who was supposed to be the brother of the two nannies #crowley used the same name for both people and said they were twins #i'm sure no one noticed #“it's reality angel” #slow clap for crowley you genius well done #ancient greeks were really strict about gender divisions so it made sense for them to pretend to be siblings

[sarafangirlart]

btw Ovid does say that andromeda was a dark skinned women

Yeah, while her ethnicity and nationality is all over the place in ancient sources she’s very much not a white woman. Last time I drew her her design was based on ancient Egyptian clothing and modern-ish Ethiopian jewelry. Tho now I wanna redesign her a little and make her Afro-Palestinian since the one real location that was specified in her story if Jaffa, Palestine.

#so while I won’t be mad at ppl not drawing Andromeda black I will still side eye anyone who still draws her yt #since Ovid is a late Roman source #greek mythology #ancient greek mythology #greek pantheon #jaffa #there is this legend about Egypt conquering Jaffa Trojan horse style so maybe I will keep the Egyptian influences lol #princess andromeda #andromeda #cassiopeia #cepheus #Aethiopia #ancient egypt #afro palestinian

[magicalgirlsasuke]

having the show end with arthur dying before he can fulfil the prophecy to return magic to camelot is so disappointing that i dismissed it as the writer’s just wanting a memorable ending but i was thinking about it earlier and like what if merlin interpreted the prophecy wrong again, what if the prophecy was actually fulfilled in the first episode??

merlin assumes that arthur will legalise magic meaning sorcerers will be able to live in camelot freely -- bringing back magic. but from what i remember the old religion was mostly concerned with balance. so unlike merlin who’s personally invested in magic users being free, the prophecy may only care about magic levels being restored after the great purge. and what could offset the magic deficit caused by purge?? the most powerful sorcerer to ever live. maybe merlin was always the ‘magic’. by staying in camelot to protect arthur magic was returned to camelot.

arthur was very much helen of troy, he was never meant to play an active role in executing the prophecy. just as merlin made up the myth about excalibur and used his magic to loosen it from the stone, it was always merlin’s love for arthur that made him great.

this also solves the paradox (bad writing) of why it’s arthur’s ‘destiny’ to restore peace when the purge only happened because he was born. he was born to create emrys. merlin’s role in the series is a reversal of his role in arthurian legend in that he is driven to learn magic for arthur, rather than acting as a mentor to him.

after arthur dies and merlin believes he’s failed him and their destiny, i doubt he’d be able to stay in camelot. luckily the kind hearted and reasonable queen guinevere — the person most suited for rulership but only given the chance to through arthur’s love for her — will legalise magic, again restoring balance.

#had a random merlin thought after years whilst brushing my teeth #this makes arthur a really intriguing character to me #maybe destiny is inescapable bcos it’s the influence ur existence has on other people and we can never be anyone other than ourselves #very ancient greek #bbc merlin #merlin

[tmema]

if there’s anything ive learned while browsing cognates and suffixes and lemmas and adverbs and declensions it’s that english continues to be the weirdest language of all time

#° #i'm looking up extinct languages im looking up ancient greek and latin and sanskrit and stuff and like #english really IS an amalgamation of all the languages like there are words that are BARELY removed from their origin #and the thing is it's not even consistent there is no singular like 'ancestor' language besides Maybe latin because like #modern contemporary english as we know it is influenced by so much and idek where to begin disecting it

[creatediana]

Lyric XXXIV of Bliss Carman’s Sappho: One Hundred Lyrics (1904)

#sappho #bliss carman #influences #poetry #classical poetry #greek poetry #sapphic poetry #pride month #queer poetry #lesbian poetry #lgbtq pride #queer history #ancient greece #poetry in translation