#achilleid

[doob-or-something]

Something I find makes the life and death of Achilles far more tragic is the fact that all he is is the Trojan War. His parents’ wedding begins the conflict, and he dies before the end of the war. His entire life was spent in something he had no control over. Did he know Helen? Paris? Hektor? The Trojans became his enemies only when he reached the beaches of Troy.

Hell, if we go by the Achilleid, Achilles didn’t even know what the war was about until he was sailing to Troy. A young boy whose birth produced an unjust prophecy that dictated the rest of his life: Live long and die in obscurity, or die in war and live in the minds of the people forever. No greek man of his time could bear to die in obscurity, but it was especially impossible for Achilles to do so. His father Peleus, a legendary Argonaut whose adventures would be remembered for millenia, his mother Thetis, a towering goddess raised by the queen of the gods herself.

Their child had to be known.

At Aulis the greeks call for Achilles, a legend before he even steps into the battlefield, and he is forced to go to war. And he fights, he kills, he ravages the city of Troy. A boy who has never even seen a battle in his life, living in peaceful Pthia and later protected by mighty Chiron in Thessally, becomes a machine specifically created for one purpose: To destroy Troy.

This is the reason why Achilles refuses to fight after the taking of Briseis. Unlike Agamemnon, who lived before the Trojan War, who had a wife and family before the Trojan War, who will leave Troy. Or Odysseus who will tell his tales to his son and wife after 20 years away. Or Menelaus who after years regains his family and rules Sparta in peace. Achilles has no life, no future, he IS Troy, more than even Hektor, Paris, and Priam are. Thus, when his honor is threatened, everything he has ever lived for has been taken away from him. Realize that before the taking of Briseis, Agamemnon mentioned takingthe “bride prizes” from the other greek kings and despite this not going anywhere none of them attempted to argue. Would Odysseus attempt to kill Agamemnon if his bride prize were taken? Would Diomedes or Greater Ajax?

And yet, after Achilles lives his entire life for war. After he struggles and suffers so much at the face of adversity. At the loss of his everything, Patroklos. At the slight to his honor. He spends the rest of eternity regretting everything he had ever done. Perhaps it is a mercy to Achilles that shades forget their life on earth

#the iliad #iliad #doob #greek mythology #homeric epics #achilles #achilleid #diomedes #greater ajax #ajax #agamemnon #tagamemnon #odysseus #ramblings #patroklos #patroclus #patrochilles

[illustratus]

Ulysses Recognises Achilles amongst the Daughters of Lycomedes

by Louis Gauffier

#achilles #ulysses #odysseus #lycomedes #court #skyros #art #louis gauffier #history #mythology #achilleid #princesses #princess #classical #antiquity #architecture #europe #european #ancient greece #ancient greek #disguise #statius #roman #greek #greece #ancient #sword #helmet #mirror

[sarafangirlart]

Ok so, there is this interesting part of the Achilleid where Zeus and Hera’s relationship is compared to Achilles and Deidamia

When I first heard of it I thought it was funny. Then I read the poem a bit more and I’m a li disturbed and confused.

So tldr Achilles disguised himself as a woman to draft dodge and he stays with Deidamia’s family and falls in love with her, at first it’s cute, Achilles teaches her music while she teaches him weaving and other feminine things. She realizes he’s in love with her but is too shy to reciprocate those feelings. Over time Achilles couldn’t take hiding his manhood anymore and… r*ped Deidamia.

Yeah…

The implication that Hera and Zeus grew up together is pretty interesting, there are multiple sources about both of them escaping their father but not much on them actually growing up together. Hera being shy about having a relationship with her brother is also interesting bc it reminds me of how, in one version of the cuckoo story, Hera brought up Rhea as a reason why she can’t be with him. It’s this whole thing that Hera and Zeus had a secret relationship hidden from their parents.

This also kinda implies a bit of… dubious consent (to put it mildly) in how Zeus got Hera to marry him. Ironically the cuckoo story doesn’t technically imply assault tho I’m surprised this part of the Achilleid isn’t brought up more.

Now this next part is more of a crack theory so don’t take it too seriously.

So you know how Thetis disguised Achilles as a girl to protect him? There is this story that Dionysus was disguised as a girl to avoid Hera’s wrath:

There is also this amusing parallel between Kronos and Hera (screenshot from @deathlessathanasia ):

With both being scared of by the Kouretes.

There are also some sources that state that Kronos spared his daughters and lets Rhea raise them, so what if… (and again this is a crack theory) Rhea disguised Zeus as a girl in order to protect him from Kronos?

#parallels parallels parallels #character parallels #achilles #deidamia #Hera #greek mythology #ancient greek mythology #greek pantheon #greek goddess #hera goddess #hera deity #hera greek mythology #zeus #hera x zeus #zeus hater #anti zeus #zeus deity #zeus greek mythology #Achilleid #dionysus greek mythology #statius

[adriles]

The instant I heard the trumpets of war iin hiding on skyros I threw my armor on and said that living in hiding when i could have glory was over rated and I was right

#achilleid #skyros

[plangentia]

epic looming behind elegy and erotic themes in the achilleid be like it's Our genre now

#epic is hungry #it is all consuming #achilleid #classics

[eon9fdkoghkf7v]

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#glycols #barkeepers #windmills #undergrowth #musicoartistic #infidelly #fluormeter #unpictorial #gross-natured #Sindhi #overutilizing #Achilleid #by-past #Kellerman #reads #confricamenta #parisia #tallote #experimental #uncontemporaneously

[aeriondripflame]

jon snow is achilles coded i will not elaborate

#reading the achilleid having thoughts #this was originally me going ham abt lyanna helen of troy but i lost the plot #classics nerd asoiaf ppl exist i think #asoiaf #jon snow #guava.txt

[solmints-messyocdiary]

Old unfinished Achilles sketches

Also, Achilles, when he was hiding in Skyros under the name of Pyrrha, "the red-haired."

I might change his hair to give him a more orange tone instead of a reddish one.

#yet again from 2020!! Super old and I need to update ALL the greek characters... #wip #messy sketches #achilles #greek mythology #the illiad #the achilleid

[crownsofesha]

HRH Prinkípissa Ofilía Achilleid of Tridendro

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A big thanks to @crescents-sims​ for the passport templates

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[shcherbatskya]

the secret to mythology is that if you don’t like a story you can actually just say. i don’t believe that <3

#like sure you can’t pick and choose parts of one coherent one like the iliad but if you choose not to like #like whatever you can ignore statius’ Achilleid. who am i to judge. or be like i think ovids metamorphoses is fake. whatever sure!! #samael speaks

[otomegema]

When I see people comment how “well plotted” Convergence Theory was and I have to sit here sweating nervously with the knowledge I LEGIT WROTE FROM THE SEAT OF MY PANTS AND HAD NO OUTLINE.

I decided on the Jin plot line THE CHAPTER I WROTE IT— my spontaneous creation was at an all time high will I ever reach that apex again???

#I’ve been editing my own book now for half a year #yes I wrote a book and I am TRYIINF to finish up first round edits #so I can then EDIT IT AGAIN #and maybe get it published ;; #Cas speaks #fic; convergence theory #writing #i do have a writeblr for it my username is @achilleid #also I secretly would go back and edit chapters of ConvTheory #to drop in some lines of foreshadowing to the shit I just decided on #so ITS ALL AN ILLUSION

[lawboy06]

*comes out to my class to win an academic argument before even coming to terms with my gender*

#i really wanted to be right #this is about the achilleid #academia

[finelythreadedsky]

it’s really something how the iliad is misnamed. because the poem we have is not the story of ilion, of troy, not even close. it might be properly called an achilleid. robert graves titled his translation not ‘the iliad’ but ‘the anger of achilles’ and he wasn’t wrong to do it. i don’t know what it means that the force of the city and its impending fall is so strong that it takes over the poem and says that the story of the wrath of achilles should be named as the story of ilion.

#mine #iliadblogging

[thoodleoo]

i think my favorite part of statius's achilleid is when achilles (currently being mentored by chiron) has killed a lioness and taken its cubs, and is poking them into showing their claws, only to toss them aside and run up to hug his mom when he shows up. it's such a youthful behavior. he's a dumb kid doing dumb kid things and he's excited to see his mom. he's described as "already as tall as his mother." he has no idea that someday the lion cubs' role will be reversed, and that he will be the cub lying dead while the mother shows her claws. it's only a couple of lines and yet it paints such a bittersweet picture of a young achilles.

#tagamemnon #statius #the iliad (sort of) #queueusque tandem abutere catilina patientia nostra

[caninemotiff]

CANINEMOTIFF: A WRITEBLR INTRODUCTION

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This will be a place for me to post snippets and edits about my wips and characters, maybe even links to chapters if I'm feeling bold. I'm a serial procrastinator and daydreamer, so I'm hoping this writeblr will hold me accountable for the wips I've discussed here rather than chasing the rabbit down new wip ideas and abandoning my old ones. My wips are all reworkings of wips I've previously introduced for that reason, as I'm determined to finish something this year.

Anyway I'm glad to be back and I'm excited to see what everyone else has on the table as well!

ABOUT ME

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[johaerys-writes]

Hi! I’m pretty new to the world of Achilles and Patroclus (I read The Song Of Achilles last month) and I just saw your post about your love for them. When you said “there's just so much stuff out there about them (tsoa, hades game, the iliad, a bunch of other myths and adaptations, non fiction books, academic papers etc)” I was wondering if you could touch on the other myths and adaptations part maybe? I’m not exactly sure where to begin there but I would appreciate any guidance you could give!

Oh boy I don't know where to start either because there's a LOT. I don't want to overwhelm you so I'll just list a few key myths and adaptations off the top of my head:

Adaptations

So as far as adaptations go, I will include works where both Achilles and Patroclus show up and that are inspired by the Iliad.

Hades Game: I'm pretty sure you're already familiar with this, just mentioning it just in case!

Aristos the musical: it's a musical as the name suggests, and it revolves around Achilles and Patroclus' lives from Pelion all the way to Troy. It's really lovely and has made me emotional on numerous occasions and I love revisiting it every so often! It also has a Tumblr account: @aristosmusical

Troilus and Cressida: this is Shakespeare's take on the Trojan War and it's quite interesting, not really faithful to the Iliad but offers a sort of different perspective on the characters and the events that led to Hector's death.

Achilles (1995) by Barry JC Purves: it's a short stop motion film using clay puppets, it's on Youtube and it's only 11 mins and I think it's worth a watch! I find it very compelling visually and any adaptation where Achilles and Patroclus are lovers is a plus in my book 🫶

Holding Achilles: this is an Australian stage production by the Dead Puppet Society, I really enjoyed it and I found it an interesting blend of TSOA and Iliad Patrochilles, which also featured some cool new elements that I hadn't really seen before. It used to be free to watch for a while but now I think you have to pay to watch it, there's more info on their website.

The Silence of the Girls: a novel by Pat Barker, it's a take on the events of the Iliad mostly through Briseis' eyes, I personally didn't really like the book or the characterisations but hey both Achilles and Patroclus are in it so it might be worth a read.

There are some other novels I've heard of where Achilles and Patroclus appear (A Thousand Ships by Natalie Haynes, Wrath Goddess Sing by Maya Deane) and also a TV show called Troy: Fall of a City but I haven't read/watched them so I can't really rec them

Myths

Most myths revolve around Achilles, there aren't that many with Patroclus I'm afraid, but here are some of my favourites:

Achilleid by Publius Papinius Statius: this is an epic poem about Achilles' stay on Skyros disguised as a girl and his involvement with Deidameia. It's interesting but I'd personally take the characterisations and events in it with a grain of salt because Romans were notorious for their unsympathetic portrayal of Greek Homeric heroes but it's still a cool thing that's out there and free to read online.

Iphigenia at Aulis: a tragedy by the ancient Greek playwright Euripides, it's basically the dramatised version of the myth of Iphigenia's sacrifice in Aulis which predates the Iliad, there are many obscure versions of this myth but Euripides' sort of updated version is my favourite, I will never shut up about this play!! Lots of a nuance and very interesting portrayals of Achilles, Agamemnon, Menelaus, Clytemnestra, Iphigenia and pretty much everyone in there, well worth a read.

Lost plays: there are several plays in which Achilles appears but that have been lost or survive only in fragments, but two of my favourites are Euripides' Telephus and Aeschylus' Myrmidons. Telephus takes place before the Trojan War, while the Greeks are on their way to Troy. I really like Achilles' characterisation in the fragments that remain and also the fact that he was already renowned for his knowledge of medicine and healing despite how young he was. The fragments that survive from Aeschylus' Myrmidons I think are fewer but the play was extremely popular at the time it was presented to the public and it sparked a lot of controversy re: Achilles and Patroclus' relationship and who tops/bottoms so I think that's kind of funny lol.

There are lots of other obscure little myths about Achilles that I've picked up by reading various books, papers and wiki posts on the matter and that are just too numerous to list here, but what I will mention and that I think concludes the myths section of this post pretty neatly is that the Iliad and the Odyssey are not the only works about the Trojan War that were written, merely the only works that survived. The rest of the books in the Epic Cycle have been preserved either in fragmentary form or in descriptions in other works, and I think the Epic Cycle wiki page is a good place to start if you want to get an idea of what each of those books contained.

I hope this helped! 💙

#patrochilles #achilles #patroclus #the iliad #homer's iliad #if I remember anything else I'll probably add to this post but I think that should be enough for now #there's just! so much stuff!! #happy reading/viewing/listening 😁