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whitmerule · 2 years

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I really do not understand why both 1995 and 2007 cut Mrs smith story. It is such an interesting story. Instead of 1995 being like: „Elliot is broke. He only wants to marry into your family because of your money“ (which doesn’t make any sense considering the high debt the family is in at that point) or 2007: „He only wants to marry into your family to make sure to become a Baronet. And he also flirted with Mrs Clay. Isn’t that horrible?“

No the true horror here is that Mr Elliot forced Mr Smith into poverty and death. Leaving an ill Mrs Smith behind, who has no money to get the medical care she needs. And people think that is a boring story to tell?

And instead tell the story of Elliot wanting a title (wow) or is in need of money (yawn)

I couldn't finish watching 2007 so I can't speak to that, but yes, it's always disappointed me in 2005. The equivalent would be skipping over Wickham's history with Georgiana, or Willoughby's with Brandon's ward, and just saying "well, they're insincere and fickle, their interest in you/your sister is selfish, and their finances are in a bad state, you can't trust them".

And the reason that I would particularly like to hear to hear that whole backstory in Persuasion is precisely the fact that, while WIlloughby's and Wickham's past sins are sexual/seductive in nature, Elliot's is not. There's nothing warm or impulsive about it, he didn't make mistakes: it was cold and calculating and deliberate and cruel, every step of the way. And it wasn't for love, or even lust. It was for money and, presumably, the cool pleasure of having this power over somebody else's life and then being able to discard them when you're done.

It isn't as dramatic or easily reduced to a few sentences of 'and then he ran away with her', a gasp and a shocked reaction. It takes some time to explain the actions and to convey the heartlessness and horror. Perhaps that's part of why neither of the previous adaptations took the time to do it: maybe if either of them had been a miniseries, like my favourite adaptations of each of P&P, Emma, and S&S.

But I think leaving it out, as you say, leaves the Big Villain Reveal as... rather a non-event. It's a bit boring and it feels like he's just a bit greedy, rather than (in my opinion) worse than Wickham, or Willoughby, or the Crawfords (and certainly worse than silly little John Thorpe). It also cuts out the thread of 'persuasion' (friend misleading friend, not out of good intentions but maliciously) which ties it to the novel's theme and Anne's character development, and so her change of heart is disconnected from it.

Perhaps it gets downplayed too because this is one case where the heroine or her sister isn't in love with the villain, so the reveal doesn't have so strong an effect on the narrative: Anne wasn't going to love Elliot either way and was unlikely by this stage to agree to marry him. The main effect it has on the plot is to confirm the way she was already thinking and feeling—about Elliot, about persuasion, and about separating her own judgement from that of Lady Russell—and... well, I can see how, when it comes to writing a film script and trying to fit it all into two hours, one might decide to simplify it to just 'oh, btw, he's selfish and insincere'.

I can understand it, but that doesn't mean I like it. Let Mrs Smith speak!

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dubiousculturalartifact · 2 years

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the worst thing about trying to give every jane austen protagonist a bad carbon copy of elizabeth bennet’s judgy wit

is that not even pride & prejudice thinks that behaviour of hers is entirely a good thing?

Like?? half of lizzy’s entire character arc is realizing that her judgy wit that she always congratulated herself on was based on really shaky foundations?? because she’s not nearly as good a judge of character as she believed, and that it’s actually kind of a character flaw motivated by the TITULAR combination of faults??? that she has as much pride & prejudice as she accuses others of having? & that she needs to let go of that a bit, in order to have better relationships with the people around her???

LIKE?

#pride and prejudice #elizabeth bennet #jane austen #persuasion #but also #mansfield park 1999 #and a bit 2007

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mourningmaybells · 2 months

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I need to either rewatch or read Persuasion

#persuasion 2007 #jane austen #persuasion by Jane Austen

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lady-arryn · 9 months

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TOP 10 JANE AUSTEN ADAPTATIONS (according to my followers)

8. Persuasion (2007) with 3.26% of votes

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hotjaneaustenmenpoll · 3 months

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Propaganda...

Captain Wentworth (2007):

Can't believe Rupert Penry-Jones' Captain Wentworth is barely winning!!!! It's Wentworth - the man is half-agony half hope - writer of the most romantic letter in existence! He has lovely fun friends and you'd get great in- laws!!! He looks like Rupert Penry-Jones!!! Likes music! remembers you don't like to play cards after 8 years!!! Speeds back to his friend regardless of how hard or relentless the journey to make sure he's not on his own when he gets bad news!! Has great stories!!! He looks like Rupert Penry-Jones!!! Loves the sea!! Is Rich!!! Notices you're tired and makes sure you get the seat in the gig even when he wants to hate you!! Is so deeply in love that even after 8 years he can't get over you!! Self-made man!!! Looks like Rupert Penry Jones!!! Look at these besties!!!!

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Captain Wentworth! All it takes is that one ten seconds at the end of the film where Anne tells him there’s nothing whatsoever going on between her and Mr Elliot and you can literally see hope dawning in his eyes ALONE even though his face is the same. That’s the Darcy “there is more going on here than I’m letting my face show” thing only for good and not evil! He HAS to take this thing!

Captain Wentworth (1995):

Ciaran Hinds has that perfect ruggedness yet friendliness to his face that makes him the perfect charming Wentworth. And all of the longing that he manages to convey in his eyes is so hot.

Samuel West was rather cross at being asked to read for Mr Elliot - until he learned that Captain Wentworth was being played by Ciarán Hinds.

#round three #hotjaneaustenmenpoll #captain wentworth #persuasion #persuasion 2007 #persuasion 1995 #ciaran hinds #rupert penry jones #Youtube

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molinaesque · 2 years

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Yes; he had done it. She was in the carriage, and felt that he had placed her there, that his will and his hands had done it, that she owed it to his perception of her fatigue, and his resolution to give her rest. She was very much affected by the view of his disposition towards her, which all these things made apparent. This little circumstance seemed the completion of all that had gone before. She understood him. He could not forgive her, but he could not be unfeeling. Though condemning her for the past, and considering it with high and unjust resentment, though perfectly careless of her, and though becoming attached to another, still he could not see her suffer, without the desire of giving her relief. It was a remainder of former sentiment; it was an impulse of pure, though unacknowledged friendship; it was a proof of his own warm and amiable heart, which she could not contemplate without emotions so compounded of pleasure and pain, that she knew not which prevailed.

- Chapter 10, Persuasion (Jane Austen)

- Persuasion (1995, Roger Michell)

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dolcesostenuto · 6 months

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he ought not | Persuasion 2007

#persuasion #persuation 2007 #jane austen #my gifs #gifs #former andantegrazioso

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hypacias · 2 years

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SALLY HAWKINS as ANNE ELLIOT PERSUASION (2007)

#persuasion #persuasion 2007 #movieedit #moviegifs #perioddramaedit #perioddramacentral #weloveperioddrama #perioddramagif #ceremonial #userstream #usersource #persuasion*#austen #mine #not a perfect adaptation (no letter writing scene :/) but it's still special to #me <3 #also I know everyone hates the shaky cam running bit but it has flavour!!

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bethanydelleman · 3 months

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I know that pretty much everyone agrees that the Netflix adaption of "Persuasion" was terrible, but do you have an opinion on the other adaptions? I haven't watched any of the Persuasion movies, so I was wondering which one is the best/most faithful.

My personal favourite is the 1971 BBC adaptation (you can find it free online). Once you get over the hair, it's nice that with a full mini series the story has room to breath. And lots of my favourite character, Sir Walter!

Persuasion 1995 is the most popular, it is very well acted and manages to condense the story well into movie length. I enjoyed it as well.

Persuasion 2007 is okay. I think it has the hottest Wentworth (personal preference) but it does have some flaws, most importantly, the Bath Marathon and the longest, most awkward kiss of all time. Also, implied at the end that Wentworth bought Kellynch? (literally impossible)

Honestly, they are all pretty good, except for 2022...

I have not watched the webseries or any modern adaptations to my knowledge, if anyone wants to recommend those please let me know!

#persuasion #jane austen #adaptations #persuasion 1971 #Persuasion 1995 #Persuasion 2007 #the adaptation that will not be named #question response

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jaeausten · 2 years

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Anne Elliot’s Costumes in Persuasion 2007, (requested by Anonymous).

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darkpoetrynprose · 2 years

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“The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid.”

— Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey, 1818

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firawren · 2 years

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Hands in Jane Austen adaptations

Emma (2009)

Emma (2020)

Pride and Prejudice (2005)

Persuasion (1995)

Austenland (2013)

Emma (2020)

Pride and Prejudice (1995)

Persuasion (1995)

Sense and Sensibility (1995)

Pride and Prejudice (1995)

Persuasion (1995)

Sense and Sensibility (1995)

Pride and Prejudice (2005)

Sense and Sensibility (2008)

Northanger Abbey (2007)

Emma (2020)

Pride and Prejudice (2005)

Mansfield Park (1999)

Pride and Prejudice (1995)

Austenland (2013)

#hands #romance #angst #jane austen cinematic universe #jane austen adaptations #jane austen characters #jane austen #pride and prejudice 1995 #pride and prejudice 2005 #emma 2009 #emma 2020 #persuasion 1995 #sense and sensibility 1995 #sense and sensibility 2008 #northanger abbey 2007 #mansfield park 1999 #austenland #gifs #my stuff

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bellasbookclub · 16 days

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Mutual Pining May continues! 💔⚓💌

Perhaps we can persuade you to tune in next Friday to the 2007 adaptation of Jane Austen's Persuasion, starring Sally Hawkins! Because sometimes the shape of water is actually a giant teardrop as you watch your ex move on with your sister-in-law. See you next Friday, May 17th, on our Discord at 9 PM EST (11 AM AEST Saturday for Aussies) for some serious Yearning Hours!

lurkers and new folks always welcome! 🎥 🍿

Bella's Book Club is an interactive virtual book club created by the Three Books One Plot podcast. Our monthly discord discussions are open to all! More info here.

#persuasion #jane austen #official™ announcements #movie night #bella's movie club #persuasion 2007 #once again fighting for my life trying to find a decent still of this movie

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most4rdently · 2 years

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“You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone forever. I offer myself to you again with a heart even more your own than when you almost broke it, eight and a half years ago. Dare not say that a man forgets sooner than woman, that his love has an earlier death. I have loved none but you. Unjust I may have been, weak and resentful I have been, but never inconstant.”

#perioddramaedit #persuasion #persuasion 2007 #jane austen #creations #gifs #frederick wentworth #rupert penry jones

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joemawle · 1 year

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Joseph Mawle as Harry Harville in Persuasion

#persuasion #persuasion 2007 #harry harville #captain harville #joseph mawle

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hotjaneaustenmenpoll · 3 months

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Hot Jane Austen Men Tournament!

48 of the Hottest Jane Austen Men from all your favourite Jane Austen Adaptations are readying their duelling pistols to prove they are the Hottest Jane Austen Man. From the rakish to the heroic to the truly pathetic we're putting these men head to head to see who'll come out on top!

I've picked men from Pride and Prejudice 1995/2005, Sense and Sensibility 1995/2007, Emma 1996/1996/2009/2020, Northanger Abbey 2007, Persuasion 1995/2007/2022 and Mansfield Park 1999/2007 as well as a couple of random others but my ask is open for submissions!

Like all good period dramas this tournament will begin on Sunday (18th February) and the first round polls will last a week!

@tournament-announcer

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