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waybeforeyourtime · 2 months

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This isn't directly related to YR but I want to bring it up after I've seen way too many negative comments about Edvin backing away from fans.

If you say or imply anything negative about someone for backing away from a space where they are harassed daily, then you suck.

Sometimes actors have a serious threat against them. Like this one. Sometimes, they can't tell you when law enforcement is first involved. Sometimes they simply aren't ready to discuss it and might never be.

But.. sometimes it's simply the pressure they feel from fans.

I know I'll never change the obsessive fans' minds. They have a mental illness that makes them unable to stop themselves. But oh I've seen many people, who should 100% know better, cross so many lines.

Harassment includes positive, yet extremely personal comments as well. Imagine every time you signed on you had hundreds of people telling you that you saved their life, that you are the only thing making them happy, asking them to talk to you, asking you extremely personal questions.

That would stress most people out, even those without an anxiety disorder. The comments are well-meaning but for the person receiving them, they are overwhelming. So, someone doesn't have to only be receiving hateful comments to want to take a break.

There there's stalking friends'/families' accounts, digging in deep for photos from years ago, looking for any sign of the actor or worse who they're romantically involved with. If the actor wants you to know, they'll tell you. That's it. It's that simple. So, please, please don't do this. Every actor I've talked to about this topic told me that it feels so creepy and extremely violating.

Yet, in fandom, we've come to consider that okay and normal. Just part of being a fan. All fans do it. Well, I'm here to tell you that they don't, you've simply found an echo chamber of fans who think like you.

In this fandom, it just blows my mind - given the canon material - that any fans have crossed these lines. Some people have praised Edvin for his portrayal of Wilhelm's anxiety and for being frank about his own and now have turned on him because he's backed off social media, accusing him of 'moving on' and 'not caring about YR anymore.'

tl;dr Actors are human. They are not objects that exist for your entertainment only. Their personal lives are not reality shows for you to watch. They don't owe you anything more than what is in their job description.

If you know your behavior is wrong, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, but you can't stop yourself, please talk to a mental health professional. Don't spiral into being one of these people.

#young royals #young royals fandom #edvin ryding #omar rudberg #fandom rant

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foreverunraveling · 7 months

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I kind of love the use of dirt in S1E4?

When the episode starts, Wille is laying his head on Erik’s casket. He reaches out for some dirt on it as the last conversation they have when Erik leaves Wille at Hillerska in episode 1 plays in the background. The words' dual meaning becomes obvious.

Wille touches the dirt, feels it. The dirt is real. There's not much of it, but it's real. And he's losing it. He's lost the one thing in his life that is real--his relationship with his brother, Erik.

For most of his life, I’d imagine that Erik was the only person in the world with whom Wille could be fully real. And Erik was probably one of the only people who was real with Wille back. The only person with whom he could have a real relationship. Who didn’t expect a polite, respectful prince and nothing else. Who would tell Wille to run on the count of three during a boring photoshoot and slip down the muddy hill with him.

And then Erik dies. The only real connection that Wille can ever remember having in the world is gone. And Wille is realizing that he pushed the very last glimmer of a real connection away. And nothing feels real any more. So Wille goes to the football field where he was with Simon, a place where he felt truly normal, looking for something that will make him feel real. And all he finds is astroturf—no real dirt. He realizes that without Simon, there’s nothing real left in his life. No one who sees him and accepts him for who he really is. No one who knows the real Wille, who is messy and dirty, and still cares for him regardless.

And it sinks in. Without Erik, there’s nothing tethering Wille to this earth any more. The rest of the world seems further and further away. Fake, as Wille discovers the astroturf on the soccer field is. So, Wille reaches out for Simon, the one person who can ground him again.

The only real thing that Wille has left in his life is Simon. He’s the only person left who would ever be fully real with Wille. Tell Wille that he’s actually the country's biggest welfare recipient. Give Wille shit when he tries to hide from August. Discreetly laugh in August’s face with him. Dare him to evade the cousin he hates for an evening to experience something totally normal with real people.

And not only that, but Simon is the only person left in his life who Wille can be fully real with at this point. No one else has any idea about the sexuality crisis that Wille is going through or how that plays into any of his feelings about ascending to the role of Crown Prince. No one has any idea about what happened between him and Simon. No one knows that he doesn’t really like August, or the school, or his role. Except Simon. Simon is the only one left who sees Wille for himself—a real person rather than a personification of his title.

And, as Wille points out, what he and Simon have—what he feels for Simon, at the very least—is real. Wille has tried to fight it, but the sheer reality of it rips through the paper-thin fake layers with which Wille tries to shield himself. “I’m not like that” and “I can’t do this any more.” But alone, out on the field, where Wille expected to find the normalcy he felt when he went to Rosh’s game, he’s surrounded by only reminders that nothing left is real.

So Wille reaches out for Simon—the only one who can ground him again. Because unlike the astroturf on which Prince Wilhelm's life is built, dirt is real. What they have is real. And real life is messy, it’s dirty, and you can pretend otherwise, but you’ll end up falling down in the mud either way. And Wille is choosing to grasp at the only thing left that he sees in his life that is real. Simon.

#simon × wilhelm #young royals #wilmon #young royals netflix #dirt #young royals season one #it's just dirt ignore me #the fake/real thing has definitely been talked about a lot but I don't know about the dirt part #anyways this is my rant about dirt

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kwonzoshi · 16 days

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So. I have seen some posts saying that Simon basically only existed as a meaningless plot point and I have to say that I disagree with that observation wholeheartedly.

Simme was Wille’s connection outside of Nobility while in Hillerska, his connection to himself. Let me explain.

Wille wanted NOTHING MORE than to live a normal life. To not be followed around. Pawed at. Controlled.

Being sent to Hillerska was the complete opposite of that.

He’s angry, uncomfortable, anxious and would rather be anywhere else.

Then he sees Simon. There’s something about this kid that immediately draws his attention. Then the kid sings and it’s like he’s singing directly into Wille’s heart.

Then Wille’s first interaction with other students at Forest Ridge House is uncomfortable and fake, they change their opinions just to match his, and he’s immediately turned off from that.

Then we have Wille’s first non-interaction with Simme… in a class where he stands out he’s not afraid to speak his mind, even if he’s alone in his point of view. This intrigues Wille, even though Simme shows OBVIOUS distaste for the monarchy, Wille appreciates that he’s honest. Regardless of his title and him being right there.

At this point, Simme is the ONLY PERSON at Hillerska that’s been genuine in front of him. He sees that, and wants to connect with Simme. Goes as far as to sit with him, initiate the conversation AND compliment his way of thinking. Now again, this is the FIRST TIME they are actually speaking to each other, and Wille is telling him that he likes what he said. And it is SO MUCH DEEPER than just him liking it. He genuinely admires Simme’s courage.

This shows us that Wille is looking for authenticity, which is all that Simme is.

Through Simme, Wille sees what he could have. That it IS okay to just, be himself. Through LOVING Simme, Wille breaks through his anxieties and his ties to his obligations.

Knowing Simme, gave him comfort at a time where he thought he had no one. Loving Simme gave him the courage to fully be himself.

So, no. Simon Eriksson isn’t a ‘plot point’, he is the guide to Wille’s story, to his journey.

He is what prompted the change that made Wille better. Without Simme, Wille wouldn’t have had the growth he had.

Simme IS the story.

And if you disagree? Be respectful or keep that shit to yourself.

Rant Over.

#young royals #young royals netflix #yr #yr1 #yr2 #yr3 #simon eriksson #prince wilhelm #wilhelm x simon #wille x simon #simon x wilhelm #kwonzoshi #kwonzoshi rants

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iliveinarainbow · 2 months

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may i just say how annoying it is whenever some people try to demonize either simon or wilhelm for messing up?

they are teenagers. 16 year olds. literal children as far as i am concerned.

they are bound to mess up and hurt each other in the process, and whilst we as the audience obviously feel for the one who gets hurt (let’s be honest they’re usually both hurting when something goes wrong), i also think it’s important for us to remember how shitty their situation is.

and let’s also not forget how whilst to us it’s been 3 years, for them it’s been months. all this trauma and hurt and pain in just a few months. i think it’s very normal that they haven’t fully processed everything yet and how this is backfiring on their mental health and therefore on their relationship.

they’re two kids who fell in love, which can already be complicated enough as it is, but then you add the fact that wilhelm is a prince and has obligations and limitations that have been installed in his brain for his whole life.

simon has every right to be upset with all the rules of the royal world, but i think it’s also important to acknowledge how those rules are not wille’s fault. he is a representative of the royal family but he doesn’t get the final say in anything, the only time he did what he wanted was when he used his speech to tell the world that it was him in the video, and he was only allowed to do that bc nobody but him knew what his intentions were.

i think that throughout the seasons the show has done a really good job at constantly reminding us that whilst sometimes one of them might be “more wrong” than the other one, they are both victims, both just teenage boys in a horrible situation who happened to fall in love and are sadly having to deal with constant backlash bc of who they are and how they feel.

long winded way of saying that they are both my children so KEEP THEIR NAMES OUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH… please and thank you x

(they’ve both hurt each other and done things i didn’t love, not denying that, i just think some ppl only see one side and ignore/villainize the other and to me that’s not fair, not since we see everything from both their prospectives and get to know how hard and complicated everything has been for both of them)

#young royals #young royals3 #young royals 3 #wille x simon #simon x wilhelm #wilhelm x simon #prince wilhem #prince wille #crown prince wilhelm #simon eriksson #rant post #sorry for the rant

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queerhoodies · 1 month

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my blog is called queerhoodies because, well, a lot of my favorite characters are queer and wear a lot of hoodies.

having said goodbye forever to one of the most iconic hoodies ever today has been devastating so far. simon eriksson is so dear to my heart, and i’ll miss him and all of his hoodies very much. especially The Purple Hoodie™️, may she live in all of our hearts forever 💜

(yes this is a farewell post for a hoodie. this is a sensitive topic for me mind your own business)

#yet another hoodie wearer queer character i lose #💔💔💔#al rants #young royals #simon eriksson

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theoculus124 · 10 months

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Honestly August should be another pride month considering the new heartstopper season is coming out in August, so is the Red white and Royal Blue movie, the cherry on top would be if a new season of Young Royals also came out in August. We deserve a new pride month after all the shit that has been passed through

#lgbtqplus #lgbtqia #pride month #young royals #heartstopper #red white and royal blue #august #rants n rambles #pride

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groenendaelfic · 1 year

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do you think wille will/should abdícate in the future or do you think he’ll become king one day?

The way this is worded I am 99.9 percent sure this is one of my friends trolling me, but I'll bite anyway even if it is, so strap in, because I have many messy, convoluted THOUGHTS. (in case it isn't sorry for presuming Anon and thanks for your question and being curious about my opinion)

The reason why I think this is a friendly troll ask is because you can't make this an or question and I have been very vocal about that in the past. I mean you can, Young Royals fandom is doing it all the time everywhere, but you shouldn't and yes I'll keep being nitpicky about that.

Why? Because In the context of monarchies and royalty the word abdication only applies to crowned monarchs and yes it does make a difference.

Let me use a (simplified) irl example: Harry didn't abdicate, William can't abdicate (yet), only Charles can and only now that he's king. Charles could have given up his rights to the throne in favor of William when he was still Prince of Wales, but that wouldn't have been an abdication, not if he had done it before becoming King himself.

The same is true for Wilhelm. Wilhelm can only abdicate after ascending the throne. If he's not king, it's not an abdication.

Yes I'll keep harking on about this until the end of my days, because while it might not seem like a big deal what word you use here, it actually makes a big difference legally and politically and on all levels if it's a crowned monarch and head of state formally abdicating or if it's an heir giving up their place in the line of succession.

So what we're actually all discussing here (most of the time) is should Wilhelm give up his place in the line of succession and right to the throne, and my immediate reaction to that (after no, never, but also he's sixteen, it's way to soon for any of that) is, how and in what way?

We're all rooting for Wilhelm and want him to be happy, of course we are. Wilhelm is my absolute favorite, but I hate this trend in the fandom that's romanticizing what everyone likes to call "'Wille's abdication" or abolishing the monarchy in general, because just because "it's right", doesn't mean it's in any way easily or quickly done in a "haha and now Sweden no longer has a monarchy" kind of way. That's not how it works.

Don't get me wrong, I'll never romanticize the monarchy or any other systems enforcing hierarchies and inequality, not in irl nor in any of my fics. Tax billionaires until they aren't anymore, eat the rich and yes, of course get rid of all monarchies, but you can't just go "lol no longer a prince", especially when like Wilhelm, you're still a teenager and can't make a properly informed decision about what you're doing.

Now before you all come at me with pitchforks, of course teenagers can tell right from wrong and make informed decisions, but Wilhelm grew up not only with immense privilege, but also extremely sheltered and in a bubble. Yes he started out his first semester of 'high school' in a public school, but I promise you the majority of his classmates' parents weren't plumbers or tax accountants.

Wilhelm has no idea of real life, not even rich people real life. He doesn't go to the store or buy his own clothes, and neither do his parents, nor do they randomly go to restaurants or whatever. Wille has never been able to go out in public without being photographed and noticed and everyone making a fuss, and he has no idea how most things work because there's always staff doing everything for him quietly and in the background.

If, and I say if, Wilhelm is sure he wants to step back from his role, then he should still wait until his early to mid twenties before doing so, because doing so is complicated and not something he can change his mind about later. Also he needs to learn about normal life first.

But I digress. Lets say Wilhelm does want to give up the throne. He's brought it up himself as a possibility when he was still desperately trying to get Simon back in any way he could. That still makes him a prince and a duke.

He'd still be a member of the royal family/house (I hate how that seems to be used synonymously in English). Not being king wouldn't mean he wouldn't be expected to become a working member of the royal family once he's an adult, except now there'll be a different monarch, one he'll have to obey within the family hierarchy, and chances are it'll be August.

Okay, so we take this a step further. Wilhelm gives up his rights to the throne and doesn't become a working royal, but that would mean betraying his family (his words) and stepping away from them. Not just his parents but everything he's grown up with and everything he knows. And he'd still be a prince and a duke.

Wilhelm will never be Joe Average Wille (is Harry now? Was Diana? and neither of them were next in line), no matter how much he might want to, especially not after S02E06 and I know I've said it before but I'll say it again: he'll keep being hounded, he'll keep being seen as royalty, and the only thing that'll change is who pays for his security.

(which btw the security thing is no joke, I know Wilhelm has no Diana levels of celebrity yet, but he's now the first openly queer modern royal and heir to the Swedish throne, there will be significant international media interest and it will stay, especially now with smart phones being able to capture his every move, and I'm old enough to remember the shit show that happened when Diana no longer had official protection officers and police protection and it was not fun, hounded is an understatement and professional 24/7 security is expensive and private security will never be as good as those who also have government/Security Service resources)

Also I firmly believe that what Wilhelm hates is not being royalty or the future king, but being forced into a role, handed a script and expected to perform without any of his own input.

When that changes, and it will, his attitude towards it will also change.

People argue that he'll be happier once he gives up his place in the line of succession, but I disagree.

I think he might have been happier had he been born a normal kid, but also maybe not because then he'd be a very different person, so there's no telling, but he'd always live with the guilt of betraying his family and heritage, and people, both well meaning and not, will never let him forget that.

Yes he struggles now, and I don't want to make light of his struggles, but every teenager struggles with their identity and place in life and things will be different once he's grown up and more secure in himself.

My 'ideal' fantasy solution were this irl would be for Wilhelm to become the last King and to work with the government to ensure a smooth transition once he retires, because abolishing the Swedish monarchy is complicated, but do I think that'll actually happen? No. Because that's not the kind of person Wilhelm is.

Also Wilhelm has been born to immense wealth, privilege and soft power, all three of which he will to a degree keep all his life no matter what happens.

Of course he needs to put his own mental health and wellbeing first, and I'm aware that he never asked for any of this, but he still has it, and with that comes a duty, and I think it'd be absolutely selfish of him to just take that wealth, privilege and soft power and to let the "common people" deal with the mess he left behind, because let's not kid ourselves, if he announces he'll give up his throne tomorrow and sticks with it until he's eighteen and beyond, do you really think people in power won't do anything they can to keep the system in place?

Kristina loves her son and wants what's best for him, even if she's not the best parent, but she'll not dismantle the system for him.

She knew what August had done, and she still would've rather had him as heir instead of even so much as considering anything else.

The Royal Court most certainly won't, and even if the elected government wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of the monarchy (if, there's a chance but not a guarantee, depending who is in power when that happens), that's not the end of it.

You can't abolish the monarchy and keep the nobility (edit: as it's been pointed out you can in theory, but my point is that the nobility won't be happy about it because it's a threat to them as well, and not just socially, and why would a Sweden in the 21st century do one but not the other, elites don't like changes in the status quo, even if at first glance it doesn't directly affect them, and this does), and there will be plenty of people, both obscenely rich and averagely well off people, who will do their utmost to keep their position of privilege.

It will not only become a matter of equality, Sweden is one of the most egalitarian countries in the world. It'll be about history and heritage and tradition.

It'll be a giant mess and if it wants any chance of succeeding, it'll need someone in power to actively work towards it, someone whose position the monarchists and traditionalists and conservatives respect, and that has to be a King Wilhelm, not a Crown Prince Wilhelm or a Prince Wilhelm or a Joe Average Wille who took his wealth and privilege and soft power and ran away because he chose to be selfish and leave a system in place no one was better able to do something about than him.

Now of course I'm once again talking about an adult Wilhelm, canon Wilhelm is still a teenager and shouldn't have to deal with or worry about any of that, and he gets to want to be selfish, because he's sixteen, but he won't always be sixteen, and when he isn't any longer his outlook will have changed as well.

Now we come to another point though, and that is that Wilhelm is not a revolutionary. He has his own head and a temper and doesn't want to blindly do as he's told, but he's not the kind of person who goes and topples a system.

I don't even think Simon is. He wouldn't mind the monarchy being abolished, sure, but I don't think he has the energy to become a political activist and to fight the system all his life, especially in a life without Wilhelm.

With Wilhelm it's different, there I'm sure he'll use the power he has for good. He'd be aware that he can change things and do his best to choose his engagements carefully should he become a member of the royal family.

That said, in time I don't think Wilhelm will mind being King, not if he also gets to be with Simon at the same time, and I don't think he should give up his place in the line of succession.

Finally, and most importantly, because we're talking about a TV show and a fic fandom here and not irl, I love playing with the idea of the Royal Court, the Swedish upper class, and all the conservatives and monarchists having to (figuratively) bow and scrape to an openly queer, headstrong monarch and the gay, biracial love of his life who also happens to be the son of a poor, immigrant single mother, because that is a very, very cathartic thought, and so yeah, King Wilhelm and Prince/Duke/King Consort Simon all the way, always.

That's what drew me to this show in the first place, a queer Crown Prince, and not a random queer teenager going about his normal life. There're plenty of other (great) shows for that.

#king wilhelm ftw #ask me anything #young royals meta #young royals #random ramblings #rant

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m4rs-ex3 · 11 months

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i just feel the need to highlight how utterly INCREDIBLE edvin and omar's chemistry is in season 2. not that it hasn't always been but likE RRRARYGFSADHGFSEHGDHJFHH.

their kiss at the ball in e4. AAA. the way that simon steps closer. the way they're staring at each other's lips for a good 12 seconds. the fact they both know what's going to happen next despite the fact that simon is trying to act like he's still mad at wille. they way they've reached the point where they can't keep pretending they don't need each other. the breathing (and i normally can't stand intimate asmr but here im feral.) the way that they just HOVER because it wasn't something that could just happen; they needed to take the time to prepare themselves for the end of all of it. thE WAY THAT THEY RUB THEIR NOSES TOGETHER WHEN THEY BREAK APART I. THE. WAY. THAT. THEY. SMILE. the way that the smiling acts as a sort of confirmation for the both of them that yes, this is right before they escalate. and overall, between the hesitation, the tension, and the relief, how much it feels like their very first kiss, only newer.

their Bro Talk at the end of e5. my god where do i even begin the tension is BONKERS. well first off simon fuckn nuzzling in wille's neck. and the moment before they kiss is this close to being beyond the confines of human language but liKE. they just know. they don't even have to look each other in eyes to know this is what they need. this is right. and then they do kiss and that's just it. that's it. the walls have come down and left nothing but a cloud of dust. all of the strain is behind them and it's more obvious than it's ever been that they were meant to be together and that's really all that matters. they need to be together and they've spent enough time denying it. the drama, the scandal, the opinion's of everyone else can't define them anymore. they are wihelm and simon and they love each other. boom mic drop

the level of desire, and want, and no longer just lust but love, is just off the charts. we do not deserve them and by them i mean both edvin and omar and simon and wilhelm.

#yr rants #wilmon #brainrot #young royals #young royals season 2 #yr s2 #young royals s2

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thebeautysurrounds · 1 month

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I’ve been thinking a lot about how people’s reactions to certain queer shows and something I think we need to examine how we treat more ‘dark’ and ‘emotional’ shows versus more ‘happy’ shows in this case I’m gonna be talking about the “debate” between Young Royals and Heartstopper.

Firstly these shows exist in two different lanes, and draw in two different audiences and potential age ranges, in my opinion, Young Royals is for older teenagers (think juniors or seniors or someone who is about to graduate high school and is going into college) while Heartstopper is geared towards those who are just starting high school or in the middle of it and is in that transitional period of their lives. Obviously, if you are not in these age ranges you can still consume and enjoy these shows, But I want to discuss how people act like they both can’t exist and you can’t like both or both shows existing for a reason. I’ve never really been a fan of punching down or belittling queer media (unless it’s harmful) Queer media in all forms is still lacking (especially those mediums centering WLW relationships). That being said the debate of which show is better is honestly so tired.

For people who say Young Royals is so much better (don’t get me wrong it is an amazing show and by all means like whatever you want) but liking it more because it’s “darker and more realistic” compared to Heartstopper which is "much happier" and "unrealistic," To me is so disingenuous because firstly so what? campy shows that feature queer characters deserve to be unrealistic, What's wrong with being unrealistic? Queer media has been subject to the Burry Your Gays narrative for decades or extremely unhealthy tropes and storylines so what's so wrong with having storylines and shows that are unrealistic or extremely happy? (even though the themes in Heartstopper are realistic).

Have you thought about how that may be an intentional choice? Now bare with me here this may be my over-analytic brain at work but Heartstopper has more or less some of the same themes as Young Royals just shot in a very vibrant and colorful manner to showcase how happy and colorful young love is BUT if you actually have watched the show or read the graphic novels you would know the show and graphic novels cover some heavy themes.

SPOILERS AFTER THIS POINT……

I want you to keep the song Pumped up Kicks by Foster the People in mind throughout this...I have a point I promise. Heartstopper is shot in a very poppy colorful way and in my opinion, symbolizes how when you’re young and in love everything feels warm, colorful, and vibrant. While Young Royals doesn't utilize this cinematic style they do use some form of vibrancy to convey tone and emotion. In Young Royals many of the scenes featuring Simon and Willhem's 'good moments' feature the sun especially shining on Simon when Willie is looking at him or whenever they are just in each other's company, this is especially prominent in the last scenes of the last two episodes of season 3.

So while people's criticisms of Heartstopper can be warranted (not saying you can't dislike the show) the comments that it's just so bubbly and bright just aren't true. The last season of Heartstopper saw multiple characters go through traumatic situations and it has been building up that way from the very first scenes in the first season of the show (but for the sake of time I'm only going to discuss both main characters in the two shows) Charlie not only is still struggling with being outed but is also battling with an eating disorder, this is foreshadowed throughout the first two seasons leading up to its inevitable blatant reveal when he is at dinner with Nick and his family where Nick starts to piece together why he is never hungry, passed out on the Paris trip and never finishes his food, which leads his to eventually research the signs of an ED. Nick is also still figuring himself out when it comes to his Bisexuality, while also dealing with the feelings of, feeling abandoned by his father, and having to reckon with the fact his brother is not supportive and dismissive of his sexuality and relationship.

Now before I said keep Pumped Up Kicks in mind that's because while this song has an upbeat, catchy tempo the song actually has a really dark undertone and meaning. So while Heartstopper is shot in a very vibrant colorway most of its characters and content of the show deal with dark themes and it's not all just a happy love story, and if the script for the next season follows the graphic novel closely, then we will see the characters go through even more challenges which also falls inline with the "darker" more emotionally message of the show. So to end this so it doesn't become a dissertation, both shows more or less have the same themes they just exist in two different lanes, I don't know why exactly people are fighting for one to be more valid than the other. When both can exist and be impactful to both or each audience, more queer shows need to exist where the characters are just happy and in love and I need y'all to unpack why you view more doom and gloom (for a lack of a better word) queer shows or movies are more valid than ones where the characters are just happy and have relatively in some aspects great experience when it comes to young love and figuring out one's identity. Sepreatlty why do you want these characters to suffer to find love? Why do characters have to go through something traumatic for their identity to be more valid and for you to relate and want to root for it more versus the latter?

Anyway, this was longer than I intended it to be but I just had to get my thoughts out there. TL;DR: Heartstopper and Young Royals are two great shows and if you think one is better than the other cause it has darker themes you are missing the point or probably objectively missed the dark undertones of the show, and one isn't more valuable than the other.

#young royals #heartstopper #queer shows #lgbtqia #queer media #rant #anaylsis #netflix #nick nelson #charlie spring #nick and charlie #simon eriksson #willhem #prince wilhelm #simon and wilhelm

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missezri · 1 year

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There is so much that I love about this conversation between Wilhelm and Boris.

He’s actually doing some work with therapy. The discussion about the two sides Erik has, and how Erik seemed to handle both so well.

I want to point out this moment.

On the surface it does seem easy to be a royal. The physical aspects at least of giving awards, cutting ribbons, giving speeches, smiling for the camera sort of things are not that physically demanding. Simon’s first words to Wilhelm more or less hint at this stating that the Royal Family are freeloaders on the country. Their job on the surface isn’t hard.

How hard can it be to be a working royal?

What is hard is the constant public scrutiny, having to have two personas competing, to think a head about how your words or actions could be perceived.

For Wilhelm it was international news that he was possibly in a sex tape.

There is a mental aspect that makes the job hard. Even more so for Wilhelm who physically throws up when confronted with speaking in front of his class. No one really puts into perspective how mentally difficult this job could be.

So much to unpack in this small conversation, and the delivery was perfect.

#young royals #nana ezri rants #prince wilhelm #crown prince erik #young royals analysis

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mysteriousboo · 4 months

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(SPOILERS FOR THE SHOW)

im genuinely surprised when i found out that people in the yr fandom give simon so much shit and for what? trying to protect himself from getting hurt when wilhelm denied that it was him in the video after he PROMISED simon that he wouldn’t do that? or trying to move on from wilhelm? when simon got into dealing booze or stealing drugs from his dads, he suffered because of his actions! his friends(rosh and ayub) stopped talking to him, he couldn’t pay for the personal tuition and his mom and sara found out about it and were obviously very mad at him! sara got into manor house, made friends and mostly had a good time in the majority of the second season while she was basically betraying simon’s trust by not telling him who leaked the video and using that fact to get into manor house plus sleeping with the person who recorded and released the video! personally, i don’t think her character can be redeemed in s3! but i see people trying to defend her more than they will with simon and that’s very sad!

or the fact that even wilhelm didn’t have to suffer at the aftermath of the video cause he denied that it was him in the video! i mean, we all know that the internet sucks! imagine, the things simon had to read! and people want him to forgive wilhelm just cause he said he loves him?? i mean how can he trust him? does he not have self-respect? my poor boy prolly thought that he would only be hurt more cause if wilhelm can deny his existence now, why won’t he do it in the future? or how serious is wilhelm’s love for him if he can deny their relationship so easily after he PROMISED that he would do no such thing! or the fact that wilhelm’s doesn’t even apologize to him properly, clearly not realizing how much he hurt simon! i mean the guy keeps asking simon to be his secret? how can simon agree to that? notice how in the first half s2 it’s not that simon denies that he loves wilhelm, it’s more like how can i trust you? and he was right wasn’t he? wilhelm knew that august released the video but proceeds to once again make the choice for simon and keep him in the dark! i’m not saying that he didn’t redeem himself in the latter half of the season! but it definetely felt like only simon felt the repercussions of his actions! both Sara and Wille just got away! and august the guy who should have gone to jail was being rewarded by being the backup or getting the girl! simon definetely sufffered more than august and the fact that some people in the fandom still are annoyed by him is just really disappointing! atleast have a reasonable explanation for finding simon annoying or not a fun character! I mean if you can understand Sara’s action then simon deserves the same! i am not trying to say that simon isn’t at fault, im just saying that why are you harsher towards his character not towards sara, wille, or august!

also, can we not forget that marcus literally gaslights simon into not breaking up with him! like my guy can’t catch a break! i hope that simon gets to be happy in s3! even though he has to deal with his sister basically lying to him the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME!!!! my god, i just want both my boys to be happy!

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billfarrah · 2 years

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People are too hard on Wilhelm sometimes. I feel like I see “Wilhelm was never there for Simon/never comforted Simon” a lot and it’s just not true; I feel like people focus so much on Wille’s mistakes that they forget about the good things he does as well.

When they fight about the drugs in the music room, Wille doesn’t exactly come into the argument from the best angle, but he does make it clear he wants to talk to Simon about it, and Simon walks off before they can make things right. After that, Simon stops talking to him, and it’s Wille who tries to make things right between them, reaches out, and approaches him to talk things out at Lucia.

You could perhaps argue that he threw Alexander under the bus so that he himself wouldn’t lose Simon, and there’s probably a bit of truth in that, but I don’t think that has to be the only reason and I do also think he did it for Simon’s well-being as well.

When the video leaks, Simon turns off his phone (which is understandable, I’d probably do the same thing; this post is not about criticizing Simon), and it’s Wille who reaches out once again and tells him he wants to talk about it. I feel like in another show Wille would’ve tried to ignore Simon even harder than in the past, but no, he wants to see him and talk. When they’re in the locker room together, he holds Simon’s hands and strokes them gently, lets Simon rest his head on his shoulder and tells him exactly what his family wants him to do about the situation. He communicates.

Wille fucks up, yes, he’s in a shitty situation and is being forced to make impossible decisions, and he doesn’t always fully consider Simon’s feelings, but there are many times in which he does and I just feel like those times get ignored a lot and people focus way too much on his mistakes. He’s not as self-centred as people say he is; he can definitely be self-involved sometimes, but I think it’s kind of understandable given how fucked up the situation he’s in is.

Wilhelm and Simon are both teenagers and neither of their communication skills are perfect (Simon basically hides everything that’s going on in his life/everything he’s feeling and Wilhelm tends to get so overwhelmed by his own problems that he fails to consider the impact he has on others), and I think that’s what makes both of them so human and compelling. I think them taking a step back from their relationship was necessary for both of them at the time and I can’t wait to see how they come back together. Maybe Simon can teach Wilhelm a little bit about decentralizing himself and Wilhelm can teach Simon how to open up a little bit more.

#young royals #wilmon #idk #I was just thinking today about how hard everyone is on Wilhelm all the time and I had a little head rant about it and wanted to get it out #I 1000000% believe Wilhelm would be more than willing to be there for Simon if Simon reached out #it’s just that Simon never does #and perhaps Wilhelm is a bit short sighted by never asking #but he’s got a lot going on #and that’s why they had to break up for now!#it makes sense!

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