#winchester family dynamics

[fandom-hoarder]

Ok, with coffee in my brain and a peek at the wiki timeline, ACTUALLY~~

In Lebanon:

John is 49

Dean is 40

Sam is 35

Mary is 31

#housekeeping #spn timeline #spn: lebanon #fic fodder #winchester family dynamics

[platonic-soulmates-gencest]

I avoid JohnDean like the plague but even I have to admit that one episode in s1 where Dean steps between Sam and John yelling "Alright, that's enough!" and Sam (his child) immediately stops but John keeps going so Dean yells at him "That means you too!" and John (husband) immediately shuts up as well. That was total wife behavior. (I still don't ship them. It disgusts me. But this scene screamed it...)

#Winchester family dynamics #Dean being the mother of the family #johndean #But not really

[drsilverfish]

What’s with all the claws? The Winchesters

There are a lot of talons and claws and tentacles and spines in The Winchesters monster-parade so far (episodes 1-6)

Is that just because monsters are generally claws-and-teethy or is there a symbolic function to all these claws in the narrative?

In the pilot we see the long talons of what? An Akrida, the Akrida leader, a Wicked Witch of the West-esque entity?

In SPNWin 1x01 Pilot we meet a Loup-garou with its very long werewolfy talons:

Image credit: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/Loup-Garou 

It was placed as a guard by the Men of Letters over the mysterious, trans-dimensional box which can entrap demons, and, apparently, the alien Akrida.

In SPNWin 1x02 Teach Your Children Well, La Tunda has tentacle-vine talons which seek to suck the life-force from her victims:

She is an abusive parent feeding on the life-force of rebellious children, and her lair is other-dimensional (like the Akrida’s, who come from another world).

Second image credit: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/File:LaTundaVines.png 

In SPNWin 1x03 You’re Lost Little Girl, the Bori Baba emerges, talons first, from its portal-sack into a child’s bedroom:

It also seems to feed particularly on children and young people (judging from the number of stuffed toys in its lair) and its sack is a portal to another alternate realm/ dimension.

SPNWin 1x04 Masters of War has the God Mars-Neto as the monster, so no physically manifest talons there. But the theme of an alternate reality is present, as Mars Neto creates an illusionary return to Vietnam, within which he traps John and Carlos, forcing them to relive and re-experience the traumatic effects of the war.

In SPNWIn 1x05 Legend of a Mind we learn that the Akrida have stingers which they inject into some people’s brains in order to control them:

This appears symbolic of the hold childhood trauma has on the mind (a claw/ spine/ talon/ tentacle of poison, hooked into the self) given that we explore Mary’s childhood trauma at the hands of her hunter parents (with the help of Ada’s Djinn son as a healing mind-guide) after she is brain-injected with an Akrida stinger herself.

And in SPNWin 1x06 Art of Dying Darla is found dead in a barn, mutilated by claw marks, and Carlos finds a claw embedded in the ceiling. The team initially think a werewolf is responsible (this theme of misrecognition of monsters is a recurring one; Mary thought that the monster in 1x03 Teach the Children Well was a shapeshifter). Another taloned creature is responsible, a Soucouyant:

All of which makes me think of the expression, “to get your claws into someone”, meaning to gain a controlling hold over them.  

Psychologically speaking, The Winchesters is exploring the way trauma, in particular the trauma parents visit on their children, gets its claws into the psyche. The claws, talons and tentacles of the monsters symbolise the dark hold that such abuse has on the mind.  

In terms of the recurring themes of alternate dimensions and misrecognition, that may be symbolic of the larger frame of the narrative (which, as I’ve explored in earlier 1x06 meta) might suggest that the entirety of The Winchesters is actually taking place in Dean’s mind, in a liminal state between dying and rebirth, where he works through the main themes of his life; parent-imposed trauma being fundamental.   

#Supernatural #The Winchesters #The Winchesters meta #Holy Ghost Dean Winchester #Winchester Family Dynamics #Parental abuse #Dean Winchester in the Bardo #SPNWin 1x06 #Art of Dying

[lateral-org]

Just now realizing that because the Winchesters is an au we could. We could get baby Sam and Dean growing up with two loving parents and Uncle Carlos and Aunt Lata and the ability to choose who they are and what they do

#and the angels will try to come. and carlos will beat their asses #the winchesters #spn prequel #im so. im #winchester family dynamics #it really is jensen's fix it fic

[hurricanejane]

I DON'T ship Dean with Ketch but I do think the idea of them boning and talking about Mary in a creepy way is kinda compelling...

#deanketch #maryketch #winchester family dynamics #deanmary #gencest #weirdcest

[dean-winchesters-adhd]

Just posted the last four chapters of my autistic!Dean fic, Celebration Day‼️Wrapped up at 37,300 words.

Also there's another story for this AU with Destiel and background Sabriel called The Watchers which I recently rewrote. Check it out!

#spn #spn fic #spn fanfiction #fanfic #supernatural #supernatural fic #season 1 au #season 1 dean #season 1 sam #alive!mary #spn fandom #autistic dean winchester #disabled dean winchester #gen fic #winchester family dynamics #seperated au #alternate universe #spn au #spnfandom #spnfamily #disablednatural #dean winchester #sam winchester #castiel #ao3 fic #spn family #neurodivergent dean #high support needs #autism #autistic author

[thekingofspin]

you know it's bad when every day you're relating more and more to Dean Winchester

#dean winchester #its sad but he is me in every way #you changed me dean #supernatural dean #destiel #john winchester family dynamic 😙🤞

[rwby-encrusted-blog]

Cardin: Dumbass!

Jaune: Numbskull!

Cardin: Really? That the Best you got! Is Little Arcy-Warky Scared to Say some Big Boy Words?

Jaune: I'm gonna shove your mace where the sun don't shine, you idiot!

~~~~~

Mama Arc: *Throws Car* WHAT'S "ABOVE ALL ELSE; DO NO HARM" MEAN TO YOU, BITCH!

Mama Winchester: *Dodges, Loads a Rocket into a launcher* Only applies to 'people' Darling~ NOW STAND STILL SO I CAN SHOOT YOU!

~~~~~

Papa Winchester: I just feel like I don't really have a connection to him, you know? He just ... says these things about Faunus, and I don't know where he got it from.

Papa Arc: It's hard. We make mistakes, there when we shouldn't be and we aren't around when we should be. I'm guessin' you've tried talkin' to him already?

Papa Winchester: Of course. He always said I don't understand, which isn't wrong, but him not trying to explain it doesn't help.

Papa Arc: Well Cardin's Young. He'll grow, and all you can do is be there to try and help him. Hubris will be his enemy, and He'll come around, and if he doesn't ... Well. I dunno that He'd deserve to be called your son.

#rwby #jaune arc #papa arc #mama arc #papa winchester #mama winchester #cardin winchester #rwby shitpost #What no I didn't base the dynamics off of the Bakugo Family from MHA

[leonardcohenofficial]

while i don't out and out dislike our man charles emerson winchester III i do often times find him hard to get on board with in a way that's different than enjoying the satirical intervention that is the walking disaster frank burns; while frank the character is politically almost brecht-adjacent in terms of how overtly he functions as a reflection of the political/critical intervention the show is aiming to make in the early years, charles's specific brand of racism/classism/general shitheadedness/etc. is almost more insidious in terms of the way mash as a show tries to generate sympathy for him and ends up normalizing/downplaying the bigotry in a way that feels reflective of the growing conservatism of the late seventies and is (seemingly) doubled down on with the election of reagan in the eighties; to be clear david ogden stiers is absolutely FANTASTIC and i don't think that every character has to be sympathetic to be interesting and/or worthy of analysis—as i type this up i'm currently rewatching "dr. winchester and mr. hyde," which i think is a fantastic and legitimately nuanced charles-centric episode—but the people who are like "charles is better than frank! he's less racist! etc. etc.!" and erase CEW3's negative/abrasive qualities for the sake of stanning and/or a ship are clearly not watching the same show that i am lmfao

#charles emerson winchester III #mash #tv: mash #this is not a charles hate post to be clear lmfao this is a why are you shipping the rich asshole racist with the lower class brown #man from an immigrant family and getting big mad when people point out the weird racial and power dynamics like come on now lmao

[ardentpoop]

somebody give me their hand before i explode

#the WAY. that they're replicating the poisonous conditions of the original winchester family dynamic #except jack is in much better hands with sam than sam was with dean (to put it bluntly!) #spn #liveblog tag #13.04

[dykeydean]

real men don't flinch or bleed in public, oh, i think i'm a real man.

#mitskinatural #dean #dean winchester #spn amv #fan vid #spn #supernatural #winchesters #family dynamics #character study sort of #real men by mitski #another look at deans masculinity and family #g-d this one took something out of me #i was just about to post this when i went WAIT I COULD MAKE THIS BETTER #and switched around the very end #so hopefully it turned out well! #sent to my best friend whose only words were #ezra wtf #so :) doing good #my stuff #my edits #amv #ezra posts #also. need to say it. w* dni

[420technoblazeit]

the fact that we don't see john in any of the episodes showing sam and dean's childhood is so interesting to me. like we'll occasionally see dean talking with him on the phone or a brief shot of him from behind, but we never actually see him interact with them on screen. and maybe i'm reading too much into this but i feel like it makes you rely on sam and dean's impressions of him

it's hard to come to your own conclusions about how he acted in their childhood because you don't get to see it directly, you just have to piece things together from how everyone else talks about him. and this framing is especially interesting in the early seasons because dean hasn't yet realized how badly he mistreated them and he's still in denial about how abusive john was. so there's a disconnect between how sam talks about him and how dean talks about him, which changes over the course of the series. idk i just think having the viewer realize that john wasn't the perfect father they originally thought he was and have that realization match with dean's own arc is so interesting

#i just. eatign my hat ive been thinkign about like. after school special and bad boys recently hteyre such good eps for figuring out the #family dynamic durign sam and dean's childhood it makes me go insane #supernatural #spn #dean winchester #sam winchester #john winchester #the winchester family #the pig squeals #abuse tw #tw abuse #abuse mention

[drsilverfish]

John is Haunted by Angel Wings and a Spear (hashtag Michael) in SPNWin 1x04 Masters of War:

This image is from 1x02 Teach the Children Well

And this one is from 1x04 Masters of War

Both these shapes in the set-dressing narrative look like angel wings.

1x04 Masters of War has the God Mars-Neto tell John:

and he also says:

“... in your blood - become what you were born to be!” (Neto is saying John has to choose violence to be ready for the war with the Akrida). 

This is very similar to the speech the Archangel Michael, wearing young John Winchester as a vessel, gave to time-travelling Dean in 5x13 The Song Remains the Same, in which he told Dean that he belonged to a bloodline stretching back to Cain and Abel:

DEAN How'd you get in my dad, anyway?

MICHAEL I told him I could save his wife, and he said yes.

DEAN I guess they oversold me being your one and only vessel.

MICHAEL You're my true vessel but not my only one.

DEAN What is that supposed to mean?

MICHAEL It's a bloodline.

DEAN A bloodline?

MICHAEL Stretching back to Cain and Abel. It's in your blood, your father's blood, your family's blood.

http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/5.13_The_Song_Remains_the_Same_(transcript)#ACT_TWO 

Mars-Neto’s weapon of choice is a spear:

 which recalls the Lance of Michael, which appears in Supernatural as the weapon used by Michael to kill Lucifer. We see it in the angelic “Green Room” in the painting of that angelic fratricide in 4x22 The Song Remains the Same:

Image credit: http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/File:MichaelPainting.jpg 

And of course, it makes an appearance in 12x12 Stuck in the Middle with You when Cas is stabbed by it and tells Dean out loud he loves him for the first time: “I love you, I love all of you.”  

We also see the Michael-killing-Lucifer scene in the set-dressing narrative of SPNWin 1x06 Art of Dying in the form of a statue (by the window):

It would seem John Winchester is being pulled by the tides of fate, apparently, into his “destiny” as the vengeful father in Michael’s vessel bloodline, who will raise Dean-the-true-Michael-Vessel to be “Daddy’s good little solder”.

And YET, John has a good friend (and fellow vet) in Losy, who tells him in SPNWin 1x04 that there is another path to take, other than shoving trauma down inside and letting it rage-control you:

And John also has a loving mother who holds him, as he cries in the bath, at the end of this episode (after his PTSD Vietnam flash-backs have been heightened by Mars-Neto):

Neither of these things were available to Dean at John’s age. 

So we are confronted, yet again, in The Winchesters, with the question of fate vs free will, so central to Supernatural.

In 4x16 On the Head of a Pin, Cas tells Dean (back when Cas still believed Heaven’s BS) “It is not blame that falls on you, Dean, it’s fate.” 

Is The Winchesters narrative telling us it is not fate which falls on John, but blame (because he chooses repression and violence instead of sharing and healing)?

Or, is Holy Ghost Narrator Dean trying his damndest to give John the emotional tools (and supportive friends and family) he needs to choose differently this time? Despite the menacing shadow of the Archangel Michael following him in the set dressing narrative?

The episode title, Masters of War, is also the title of Bob Dylan’s powerful anti-war song of that name. And Narrator Dean, let us not forget, is picking the music:

“You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins

How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you That even Jesus would never Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question Is your money that good? Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could? I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul”

#Supernatural #The Winchesters #The Winchesters meta #SPNWin 1x04 #Masters of War #archangel michael #mars neto #Winchester Family Dynamics #Holy Ghost Narrator Dean #Driver picks the music

[lateral-org]

Thinking about Dean parenting John. Thinking about "you get home safe, dad!" Thinking about "everyone makes mistakes!" Thinking about him checking out parenting books from the library.

Thinking about "where were you last night??" And "you did a great job!"

Thinking about John breaking down and Dean comforting his dad while he cries. Thinking about John cursing himself out and "That's not true, we love you dad!"

Thinking about when Sammy and John start fighting, and Dean gets between them. Thinking about "dad, calm down." And "hear him out!" And "let him go, dad."

Thinking about how Dean didn't hold it against him, because that was his job. To keep things calm. To keep dad together.

#dean Winchester #winchester family dynamics #john winchester's a+ parenting #parentified dean winchester #if it sounds like im projecting. #yes i am.

[hurricanejane]

Just re-watched that scene in Dark Side of the Moon where Dean comforts Mary after her angry phone call with John and remembered that people in families always play roles even without the trauma or grief of death.

Dean didn't just step up to fill the mother role after Mary died, he was already becoming the mediator and fixer of the family at 4 freaking years old. The one whose job it was to keep the family together and happy. Watching Sam realize that from an adult perspective is powerful and why I love the family work done in season 5.

#can relate #i am deancoded after all #winchester family dynamics #family systems #family roles #5x16 dark side of the moon #supernatural season 5

[samdeancrimespree]

so. i’m just thinking about the way that dean protected sam from john/ hunting in general. and it’s breaking my heart a lot. in order to keep sam as safe as he could (when he had no power because he was also a fucking child), dean had to look like he was on john’s side. he ended up being the punching bag because he couldn’t trust john not to punch sam back. he chose keeping sam safe over sam being happy with him. imagine the emotional maturity that takes. he is so selfless it actually kills me. and he never blew up at sam about it. he never even resented john for it. it was just his cross to bear. and he practically begged for it, so sam wouldn’t have to help him with it. i’m so fucking sad i love you dean winchester

#sorry i can’t shut up today #s1 was so crazy. rlly makes u think. #the winchester abuse dynamic should be studied #and then eventually sam understands what he was doing #all that time he thought dean wasn’t thinking. wasn’t questioning dad #but he was just playing the part to protect sam #mars.txt #oldest daughter dean #the family business #parent dean <3 #idek if he did all of it on purpose #but it feels like he kinda. made sure that sam would get out #samdean