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rosstrytobe · 23 days

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We can all agree that s6 sucked in some plot stories but we can't deny either that it was good for other things like:

The Henren begin episode, Buck being hit by a light and Eddie be there to rescued him, The Buckley Diaz scenes, The poker date night, the couch theory, Maddie asking Chimney to marry him...

I mean that was good until the finale...

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buddiebeginz · 17 days

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If they are keeping Lou around for any part of season 8 the show has to put an end to the cameo nonsense. Some of the Buck/Oliver takes that are starting to make the rounds are next level insane. I saw one scolding Oliver for making Lou do all the promoting of the ship. Another post said the writers needed to up Buck's game because he's not at the level of commitment yet that Tommy is being written (wtf when were these episodes). And yet another post scolding Oliver for promoting Buddie and Buck for continuing to spend time with Eddie.

They are taking these PAID (you paid him to say this shit) videos and making them canon. No part of anything he's saying is canon. Firstly, he wouldn't be allowed to tell them any actual canon facts and secondly Oliver/Buck is the character/actor the show gives a shit about. He's encouraging this nonsense and it's gross. Him promoting himself is fine, it's low-key cringe given the fact the other half of the ship is silent but you do you, babe. Oliver's silence is what's pissing his fans off. Seriously tell me you're new to Captain Starks ways without telling me you're new. He promotes no ship but the Buddie ship, canon or not. These people are here for Lou. When he goes, happy for him to take them with him.

I'm not sure why they keep letting him do those cameos especially after he pissed people off when he said T*mmy being homophobic and racist to Hen and Chim was just teasing. He also talked about people recognizing him in Thailand in the AH interview and did this fake stereotypical asian accent. 🤦‍♀️He really needs a better agent and some media training because they'd for sure tell him to knock that shit off.

I could see the cameos being fun to do a few times when he first came back to the show even to garner excitement about B/T and T*mmy but the fact that he's done so many now and has even raised the price just makes him look desperate for attention. And like you said he gives all these headcanons about T*mmy in his videos that his obsessive fans have taken for absolute fact. We would never hear the end of it if Buddie fandom was paying Ryan for videos like that.

I agree with you that a majority of B/T stans are here first and foremost for T*mmy and Lou not Buck and Oliver. I still can't believe that a lot of them used to be Buddie shippers. I think everyone should be able to ship what they want including multishipping but I don't get how some of them dropped a ship they were seemingly invested in for years for the nothing that is B/T.

That part of fandom also loves to call us delusional and say we're seeing only what we want to see but a lot of times we're just pointing out what's actually happening. Like in the recent episode T*mmy was being a downer to Buck's enthusiasm (which has basically become the norm for them). The camera also paned to Eddie after Buck got his award not T*mmy. Buck chose to run off to Eddie's after work not to T*mmy's. These are things the show is literally showing us not just stuff we're imagining.

It's similar with Oliver. They can come up with all the reasons in the world why he's never promoted B/T through this entire season but it doesn't matter because he still hasn't and likely won't. I've seen them say Oliver doesn't post anything about B/T or Lou to avoid dealing with the hate or to not upset Buddie fans or to protect Lou. The thing is though Oliver has left social media before when he's had issues and could again if he wanted to. He's also been dealing with homophobic comments since Buck came out but he's never shied away from talking about Buck coming out and has even addressed the hate on his insta.

Oliver liked a couple of B/T pieces of art when the story first happened but I think that was more to support the bi Buck storyline and the artists than anything else. Multiple times during this season he's liked Buddie art (including a tattoo which he commented on three times) he's also posted Buddie related and Ryan stuff on his stories. If he wanted to show support to Lou or B/T he could easily post on his stories where people can't comment. B/T stans can think what they want but it's clear Oliver doesn't promote any of that because he's rooting for Buddie harder than anyone. I think he knows B/T isn't going to be around forever and he's trying not to lead people on about it as he's said in the past he hates to do that.

I really hope we can get rid of T*mmy at the end of s7 although knowing Tim he'll probably keep him for added drama until s8. Unfortunately even when B/T ends I expect those fans to do a lot of complaining because they've concocted this whole idea in their head that T*mmy is Buck's endgame soulmate. They even want T*mmy to be added on as main character and get a begins episode. So I fully expect some of them to riot when he inevitably gets the ax. The rest will probably run back to Buddie the minute it becomes canon and try to pretend they never left. Jokes on them though because a lot of Buddie shippers have blocked them for how awful they've been this season especially towards Eddie.

#ask #anon #911!

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neverevan · 1 month

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Someone needs to tell tim about relationship-baiting because no it's not really queerbaiting but if he didn't/doesn't intend on going anywhere with how he wrote them, it could feel like relationship-baiting to fans. Especially now that he's going a different way even though he *could* go with buddie on abc. He knows exactly if he gave a definite no on buddie, a lot of people would stop watching. So him saying hey I gave you those scenes just to make you happy felt... :/ not good. He has every right to do what he wants with his characters but yeah that was a weird thing to say

okay, I am absolutely not trying to be mean here, but this is such a stupid way of looking at it.

1) relationship baiting? could've gone that way? we got bi Buck confirmed after 7 seasons. I'm sorry if that's not a good enough of a story for you, because it doesn't involve being attracted to Eddie. it is strategically and storytelling-wise more expandable, interesting and provides a better base for an eventual buddie storyline if that's the direction they want to go into than getting them together straight off the bat.

we got authentic, good bi rep without having the character feminised to fit a stereotypical queer role on TV. it's a huge fucking deal. so what if you have to wait for buddie a bit longer? does that mean it's never gonna happen? cuz how is that baiting if that's what we get in the long run?

and even if we don't get it, it's not bait to show two male friends being close after spending about 100+ hours a week together and going through trauma after trauma together. it doesn't have to be romantic. it can be. it doesn't have to be.

2) wanting to make the fans happy by giving them their most favourite guys finally hanging out and having fun and giving moments of them being so close again? yeah, I don't see how that's weird, I'm sorry. Tim knows we love them and that we love to see them together; giving us scenes with them is a kindess on his part and is clearly something that makes fans happy, if not being able to see a single scene of 2-minute of them singing was enough to warrant actual death threats??

Tim is out there doing something for the fans and you guys are crying about it and poking holes at his words. this is why we're not getting shit. and ngl if people get louder and meaner, I full on won't blame Tim to not go there with buddie at all, cuz why would he reward that behaviour?

watch the show. enjoy what we get cuz we've been getting A LOT of good stuff this season. major television history stuff actually. we are renewed for another season. stop rushing shit. if the story goes there, it'll be because it'll make sense. just be grateful for once, I beg.

#and this isn't even mentioning the fact that eddie is allowed to have time to figure out his own sexuality before getting with buck #if that's the plan - which for the record i still think it is #allow them to breathe and get back on track there are a lot of things to untangle before we get there #getting little treats like the bachelor party along the way? that should make you happy not go 'uhm actually why aren't together yet'#please #buddie #911 #911 abc #ask #anon

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outrunningthedark · 11 days

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And yet people are convinced about what the insider says about him being written as gay since the beginning. I don’t even like Ryan that much, but at this point I’m actually sorry for him since people keep ignoring what he’s been trying to say

TL;DR ahead This is where Tim's role in...everything comes into play, and I'm BEYOND tired of watching people speak about Buddie as if Tim isn't playing both sides - "shipper" and show runner. Tim considered Queer Eddie before Bi Buck this year. Fact. That means Tim was able to look at the way Eddie had been written over the course of five seasons (2->6) and could make sense of Eddie actually, legitimately being repressed. (And just remember that he interacts with fandom, he reads reactions and theories, so even if it wasn't INTENTIONAL from day one, he obviously learned to see what the audience sees, much like Oliver.) But here's the thing. Going by everything Ryan has said this year? Especially the most recent comments about the audience needing to get comfortable with bi men and straight men being close without assuming attraction, and wanting to show that men being vulnerable doesn't make them gay? You can't tell me Tim actually went to Ryan before brainstorming about how he could make Queer Eddie happen. Ryan is willing to consider playing Eddie as queer if he believes it makes sense for the character (I've never said he would never do it, so read that until you get it), but for the previous five seasons? And this season? He's been doing exactly what he wanted to do the whole time, we just didn't have the words for it until now, until he told us. Tim headcanoning Eddie as queer and/or being able to review earlier scenes and say "Oh, I can see how fans got this from that" makes for an entertaining fandom experience, sure (when the show runner sees what we see? that's the ultimate 'validation') but it doesn't change anything about what we're watching on screen when THE GUY PLAYING THE CHARACTER isn't putting himself in that headspace ON PURPOSE. HE DOESN'T THINK SEXUALITY SHOULD BE THE POINT. What I hate most is anybody taking the reaction to his comments personally because of those few people that will, as usual, call him homophobic.

But these comments don't need to be defended or even reworded to sound "better". If people actually care about Ryan the way they claim, they should be able to accept what he has to say without bringing negativity into it. They should be able to appreciate what he brings to the screen without wishing he would do more. But those people forgot Ryan was a real person with real feelings a long time ago. His 'true' purpose? Fit the mold of who they think Eddie Diaz should be. (For their own satisfaction. Not his.)

#anonymous #tina speaks #tv: 911 #tv: 9-1-1 #ryan guzman #eddie diaz

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lover-of-mine · 2 months

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Yk, something about my Eddie fell first essay, I never really went like "oh this is something that could be proven right by canon" mostly because when I wrote that I was still dealing with buddie being a distant possibility not something that's so close I can taste, but then Ryan was let out of interview jail. Then I went full conspiracy theorist. (Please note everything from here on out is a conspiracy theory that will most likely never be confirmed or denied so I'll live in it forever) I had made the post about how I think Ryan is playing Eddie as in love with Buck, the question was whether he was being told to do that or he was just playing it up as much as they allowed him to because we know Ryan supports the ship, and then Ryan said the "this goes beyond friendship and I love you to the core" thing.

He said he talked to someone about what it meant for Eddie to do that, because he didn't understand it at first, and then that's the conclusion he reached. But the thing is, that line "I love you to the core" specifically means so much in the context of the season, to say I love you to Buck like that in season 4 is so MONUMENTAL, that I wanna believe one of the writers straight up told him "yo this is a love confession" and explained it to him like that, and he has been playing Eddie with that line in mind ever since, and that's why he had that locked and loaded for the interview. Because, like, I, in my most normal day, am out here arguing they casted Ryan with a plan, even more considering the way Eddie was written for Ryan, they could very much have told him "look, play with the chemistry you and Oliver have, if the audience likes with might amp it up, if we're lucky we might go there someday" because you have moments in season 2, but season 2 is still very low stakes, but then when I think about the the season 3 of it all, the there's nobody in this world I trust with my son more than you, the lawsuit, and well of it all and the way they put Ryan in pr jail after Eddie begins, an episode that would retroactively be HUGE for buddie but it's pretty big for them anyway, I'm like 🤔 because we all saw Ryan talking about buddie this past month, the guy CANT SHUT UP, and if he was told something during season 3 or 4 along the line of "play it up, we are gonna fight to make this happen", putting him in pr jail would make sense, because they can't risk him saying something if they're not sure they can deliver, because how fast they dealt with Buck being bi while in a new network makes me convinced someone on fox was blocking it and nothing will convince me otherwise. But now they can, so they let Ryan run free. Because you can make a VERY strong argument that Eddie is aware of something during season 5 and 6, season 6 most of all, but you can very much make season 5 queer coded and have Eddie be like "oh I can't ignore how I feel about him anymore", because Ryan also said something about Eddie's breakdown and how that's what allowed Eddie to let Buck "know who Eddie truly is" which is interesting with the way Eddie is constructed, because if Buck is inside the last wall Eddie had up, what's actually stopping Eddie to see he's in love with Buck by the end of the season? Which would make season 6 as a pining season for Eddie make sense. Down to the way the cemetery seems to be pulling these very specific reactions from Eddie that are the same reactions we saw him have in breakups and flights with Shannon. But also things like Eddie's reaction to the lightning being something we never saw from Eddie before AND the way Oliver talked about a scene of Eddie losing his composure during in another life, not during in a flash that we didn't get to see most likely because they completely rearranged 6b because they thought they were gonna get cancelled, so they wouldn't be able to deliver what they had in mind. But now they have nothing but time, season 8 is already confirmed, and by the looks of it abc was like "go for it" with buddie in a way that fox never was, so they finally got to tell Ryan "we're doing it, go crazy" and now we are here. They could prove me right today. About Eddie not about Ryan knowing and some secret plan being in place forever. I don't think it's gonna happen. I seriously don't think it's gonna happen. I'd be more surprised to be proved right than wrong here. But the conspiracy theory is a possibility that felt very real for a second there during promo season lol

#i know this sounds crazy #but when do i know sound crazy lol #anyway #911 #911 speculation #sorta #is it spec if it's retroactive? lol #thoughts thoughts thoughts

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epiphainie · 4 days

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I’m sure uve seen the news that lone star is ending after season five and grace isn’t coming back for the last season. The cancellation news brought up a discussion that I think was quite interesting and wanted to know ur thoughts 👀

Someone mentioned that Tim must’ve known or had an idea that season five would be lone stars last and with that, the 911 franchise (even tho they’re on diff networks, they’re still under Disney) would lose their only remaining mlm couple, tarlos, (pre bucktommy going canon) after they already lost Mavid from the original series.

And that brought tim to the og and deciding, along with TPTB, to explore a queer storyline with one of the two characters, buck or eddie. Eddie didn’t work out for whatever creative reasons so they went with buck. (( Basically, bi buck was never about buddie [as we’ve know lol], queer eddie being suggested was never about a future queer eddie storyline, and tim doesn’t plan on exploring a queer storyline with both characters, just one and that happened to be buck in the end))

We have all of this, coupled with the mention from oliver of hoping bucktommy could be like tarlos, and just the general care he’s put into bringing back a LI that ticks off all these boxes (is his own character, has the potential to have relationships outside of his relationship with buck, etc), so I can’t help but think that bucktommy was planned from the beginning to be a long term relationship.

Of course they left room to see audience reaction to the couple and the general storyline, but they still took the care to write a story that could extend beyond what we’ve seen in the past with either buck or eddie’s love interests so that if the reception was indeed a good one, they could move forward with the same relationship.

And now that they can see that the response has been largely positive, they’re moving full steam ahead *hopefully* to tell a great love story and tommy’s inclusion in the last two episodes definitely shows that.

Hey anon,

Hm yeah, all of this sounds very plausible to me. I think with Tarlos soon gone, having a male queer character in the og show became more of a real plan than just a passing idea and they decided on Buck as the most tenable choice. We know Tim said during the conception of the cruise arc - with not being able to get Lucy's actress back - he thought of Lou/Tommy. I think the thought process was "okay now we have a pilot - oh wait this could work for the bi Buck storyline we're planning as well" because one of the things he said was how he didn't want to just have a new random gay character to couple up with Buck. He specifically mentioned how it was hard to bring the previous LIs into the rest of the show organically and how it was even hard with Abby in the first season and that's why he wrote Maddie as Buck's sister. They wanted this LI to have a standing chance. That gives me the impression that they were at least hoping BuckTommy would get a positive response and they could treat the relationship as a long-term possibility. The initial four-eps were a test ride, not a he will only be here for four episodes. I think by the time they were writing/shooting 7x06, they were already committed to extending this to at least s8.

#mimi talks #bucktommy

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itsactuallycorrine · 2 months

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9-1-1 7x05 Wild Theories

Just to be totally self-indulgent for a moment

When Buck tells Tommy he’s never dated a dude before, Tommy asks something along the lines of “Nothing’s ever happened with Eddie?” And is even further surprised when Buck splutters that Eddie isn’t into men.

(This will lead to the natural conclusion of BuckyTommy next episode—I think we’ll only get one more from him—since he really likes Buck and doesn’t want to set himself up for heartbreak, but he won’t do it until he’s relatively certain that Buddie is requited)

Eddie fully spirals over BuckTommy date—but mostly because he already knows he’s in love with Buck and what’s so special about Tommy that Buck would give him a shot and not Eddie???

The poker date actually WAS meant as a date—it was Eddie shooting his shot and Buck being oblivious to it. Eddie will be crushed to realize that if he’d just gone for it and kissed Buck like he’ll find out Tommy did, then maybe Buck would’ve realized he’s bi sooner & wouldn’t have dated Natalia

We’ll get demisexual!Eddie confirmation—implicitly or explicitly—when Marisol tries to sleep with Eddie and he reminds her (bc I’m sure they’ve discussed this offscreen) that he’s not ready to take that step until he has a deep emotional connection to someone. She’ll call him out on not being able to love her because he’s in love with Buck and he’ll admit he’s known for years (my guess is the well or shortly thereafter, although we may not hear that for a while). They’ll fight, she’ll claim that Eddie was using her as a beard to cover the fact that he’s gay, and Eddie will defend himself by saying he loved Shannon but he also loves Buck and he doesn’t know what that makes him. I think this will be a nasty confrontation very different from the Eddie/Ana breakup

Eddie starts avoiding Buck after he witnesses the date and Buck confronts him (gym scene?) to either apologize again (first one was offscreen) about basketball or call him out for being shitty about Buck dating Tommy, but Eddie is just protecting himself, though he doesn’t tell Buck that

The loft scene is Eddie apologizing for taking a beat and he tells Buck he’s proud of him and there’s nothing that will ever break up their friendship. He decides to let Buck and the idea of more go, and the episode ends on a positive note for BuckTommy and an angsty one for Eddie, now single and seeing someone else live his fantasy

#911 spoilers #911 abc #buddie #bucktommy #eddie diaz #evan buckley #tommy kinard #9-1-1 #i am an ‘eddie knew first’ truther until they explicitly tell me otherwise #and the episode title has had me drowning since last thursday #I fully feel like eddie will be kicking himself for not being more clear or taking too long

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universescreaming · 2 months

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Here’s the thing, as excited as I am for tomorrows episode and as much as I want Buddie to happen (and at this current moment, I fully think it will) it is NOT going to happen in the next episode, and it SHOULDNT!

Hear me out: if buddie truly is where this story is going then they are Not going to spend 6 years building to a story they tell in two episodes! It would be so rushed and, for the general audience, out of nowhere!

We have seen the hints and build up for buddie since the very beginning, but for a good portion of the GA even Bi Buck came as a shock, and to throw in Eddie and then Buddie ontop of it will further the idea they have that the show is pandering to audience. They need to see the story for themselves!

Bi Buck is just the first piece of a very complicated but beautiful puzzle and we get to watch how how they piece it together and it may not be fast! And personally I don’t think it should be!! These men have been dancing around each other and their feeling for 6 years, they have become so secure and attached in their friendship that even if one or both of them Had realized their feelings before they never would have acted on it for fear of ruining the closest relationship either of them have, so for now the idea of them together isn’t even a possibility either could imagine, and it’s not something they are gonna be able to realize and Act On in 2 episodes! And that’s okay!!! By taking the time to build to them it is cementing that this is different, this is not their tendency to jump into and out of relationships on whims, this is something that will last, something they have both been searching for and building for years and they’re finally getting to the point that they will both see that and be ready for that, and THAT my friends, is a story worth waiting for!

#911 abc #I could write a million essays on this story #for the first time ever I feel secure in saying I think everything gonna be okay #and I can’t wait to watch this story unfold #911verse #buck buckley #buddie #eddie diaz #buckeddie

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sunglassesmish · 2 months

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no because the way some people are saying “spn could never” when the gay angel is right there? canonically queer castiel is just as (if not more) important as a ship/destiel?? his coming out scene trended over the u.s election!

folks be forgetting their fandom history~

(i know it wasn’t perfect and more could’ve definitely been done after 15.18 but considering the network, the type of show, the producers etc, i’ll always be so appreciative towards bobo and misha for what we did get; even without reciprocated destiel or the addition of canonically queer dean. it just sucks to see cas’ importance diminished on so many levels 😩)

it really is sad what we didn't get, but what we did was just so amazing on so many levels. the years and years of filming thinking they would never be able to do something like this (which is kinda similar to buck and him being bi, but 12 instead of 6). what misha and the writers brought together was so beautiful!! they fought for it!! they did that!! cas is gay and in love with dean and i will forever be thankful for it. no matter how much i love that buck finally gets to explore his sexuality on screen, it still doesn't erase what we got with cas. in fact, they kind of prop each other up. why are we pitching them against each other??

#anon #ask #911 spoilers

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lemotmo · 2 months

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Yeah I'm still confused about Tommy's involvement in this storyline. (Also it doesn't help that I don't vibe with his character at all) Yes it started the Bi Buck story, but at the same time the whole relationship (if we can call it relationship yet) as been super rush. It just feels like they are trying to shove so many elements at the same time which doesn't give people time to see a connection developing.

Also I think what doesn't help me is that all the interview/cameo have been confusing me. It seems like Lou is there for an arc, but I have seen people saying that since the official Instagram follow him and that Oliver seem interested to continue to have Tommy there, he will be there for the whole season. (That interview where he could stay as a friend) Also saying that Tim was still writing that last 3 episode that it could change. I mean I'm pretty sure Tim as a vague ideas of where the major point of is story will go. If he does change it last second to include more Tommy then that will be pissed me off especially knowing that he was brought for an Eddie storyline in the beginning.

I hope he's gone soon. I was hoping episode 6, but it could be episode 7. This is a short season and I don't want them to to spend to much time on side character.

i don't know what to think anymore, but I think what doesn't help is how some part of the fandom try to make you feel guilty that you can't accept this new ship. I have been on a blocking spree and it feels great, but it hasn't be easy.

Sorry that was long, but just wanted to vent a bit and tell you I like some of your takes.

Exactly! Everything between Buck and Tommy is rushed and doesn't feel organic at all. It's a frustrating storyline for so many of us, because it just doesn't deliver on the romance. It's boring and dull and kinda just falls flat.

That's why I've got the strong suspicion that Tommy is only there to serve the narrative of Buck coming out as bisexual. He is a plot device to uncover this hidden side of Buck, but it doesn't make any kind of sense in the long run. 911 has been telling the Buck and Eddie story for so many seasons now. It feels organic and natural. There is a build-up and so much history between them. So why not use Eddie to give Buck his bisexual oh-moment? Simple, Buck needed to realise he was bisexual first. That way they can write a slow realisation of feelings for Eddie. Feelings that have always been there. Also, Eddie is still with Marisol at the moment. Any feelings reveal at this point would be so messy. This ship deserves better than this.

As for those interviews and cameos. Oliver always seems to rehash the same things: vague Tommy references and how he wants them to stay friends afterwards (which doesn't bode well for their romance), the kiss felt the same as a kiss with a woman, he is so damn proud to be able to play a bisexual man (GO Oliver! I love him for that!), if Buddie were to go romantic he would be open for it. He never really interacts with Lou directly or shares a lot of Tommy or bucktommy pictures. He just vibes with the fact that he is proud to play a bisexual character. Which... good for him!

As for Lou? He is all over the place. I like the guy, but he is very chaotic. But overall he has been pretty clear that he's only there for a little while. He is also still involved in other shows, so he won't have time to fully commit to 911 anyway. Next to that, even he has mentioned Buddie in his interviews and cameos. I mean... the fact that it was also pitched for him to be with Eddie? Yeah, Tommy is a plot device alright. It is always possible that Tim will try to milk Lou's popularity by extending his stay for a couple of more episodes, but overall I'm not too worried about his staying too long.

I know Tim is still writing some episodes of S7, but the main storylines are already set in stone by now. It's only the details and how to get from point A to B that still have to be worked out. I'd like to think that they wouldn't just change main storylines at the drop of a hat like that. Tim isn't always truthful when it comes to his comments on 911.

Okay, this is for everyone who needs to hear it:

Don't feel guilty for not vibing with a character or a ship!

Don't listen to haters who try to make you feel guilty about it. But also don't go out there to make other people feel guilty about shipping bucktommy. We all like what we like. All you can do is block haters and filter out the tags you don't want to see. Also, surround yourself with people who think alike. Trust me, there's a lot of us out there.

Lastly, I decidedly don't vibe with Tommy or bucktommy. I don't see any chemistry between them. But I also need to accept that this is where the storyline is right now. We have no other choice then to follow the narrative and hope it leads to something more interesting, like Buddie. We'll just have to wait and see and hope that the show is smart enough to follow the chemistry between Buck and Eddie, and not let themselves be swayed by the superficial and temporary popularity of one guest character.

Don't worry about venting here. I don't mind. These are trying times in the Buddie-fandom and we all need to let it out once in a while.

#nonnies galore #buddie

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buddiebeginz · 11 days

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https://www.tumblr.com/buddiebeginz/752112763763097600

So do we take this as confirmation that it’s not happening since they once again shut it down.

No, for me this is an even bigger confirmation that Buddie is in the plans we just need to be patient. I firmly believe that they wouldn't have even gone down the route with making Buck bi especially not how his bi awakening happened in 704 if there was never any intention of making Buddie happen. It centered very heavily around Eddie.

Some might argue well maybe Tim wanted to make it happen but then changed his mind and or someone behind the scenes stopped it. I think it's likely that the network didn't want both Buck and Eddie coming out in such a short season. They also probably wanted to wait and see how the ratings went after making a major change to a newly acquired show. I also think it's likely that Tim wanted to wait and tell Eddie's story when he had more episodes to do it in. Buck's coming out was told as a relatively simple and happy story. I don't think Eddie's is going to be the same. We're probably going to see Eddie struggle and it's going to be harder for him to accept who he is than it was for Buck. Telling that kind of story properly does need more time.

Also like I talked about in this post, I think Tim wanted to do his artsy Vertigo story with the whole Kim/Shannon thing. So it wasn't just that the network paused it I think Tim had other ideas for this season and he chose to focus on that.

The other thing you need to remember is that if Buddie was really off the table for good they would have lessened the amount of time they had them on screen together and I'm positive more effort would have been put into B/T. This season was already very crunched for time so there was definitely episodes were they didn't need to include Buddie but they did.

Look at ep 707 with the Buddie and Chris scene (when Eddie drops Chris off so he can go on the date with Kim) where Buck compliments Eddie's cologne. Even all the way into episodes 709 and 710 where they had plenty of time to lessen Buddie and add in more B/T if that's the direction they wanted things to go leading into s8. But they didn't.

In fact in 709 we had Buck apparently ditching T*mmy to go talk to Eddie after seeing Kim at the fire station. There was very little of T*mmy even in that episode and the short scene we got between him and Buck T*mmy was being kind of snippy with him. There was also the shot where when Buck got his award the camera pans to Eddie not T*mmy. This had to be a delebrite choice because even the DP Joaquin Sedillo liked a tweet about it.

Then Buddie were together most of 7x10 and were a real family unit. Both in dealing with everything with Chris and also with sitting by Bobby's bedside together. This is incredibly important with it being the season finale because 911 has always used the final episodes of every season as a preview of where things are likely headed.

We did get that date scene with T*mmy in 7x10 but the message there was what it's been all season and that's T*mmy doesn't really get who Buck is. If T*mmy was being set up to be this important person in Buck's life he would have been at the hospital with Buck or at the least had an emotional conversation with him about all he'd been dealing with. Instead we saw Buck trying to be vulnerable and T*mmy turning it into a joke.

I am more sure now than I've ever been that Buddie is a when not an if. We just can't let that other part of fandom get to us or over think if we see things Tim posts on FB or Lou posts with his cameos.

Not sure if you were around in fandom years ago but Taylor stuck around for two seasons and she's gone now. T*mmy will be soon enough too. The best person for Buck is Eddie and the best person for Eddie is Buck. No matter who else they bring into the show they'll never be able to compete with the chemistry and history that Buddie have. Tim and ABC know this and they also know the popularity that Buddie have. They know the amount of attention and praise they'll get when Buddie finally does happen. They're not going to pass that up.

#buddie #911 buddie #911!#buddie s7 #911 7x10 #ask #anon

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So everyone else seems to be bolstered in their Buddie hope after this episode, but am I the only one that's getting a sinking feeling instead?

On one hand, yes, the repressed catholic guilt for Eddie makes me optimistic--and was I understanding Maddie's hint about Eddie correctly or was I crazy?--but everything else read to me as ABC beginning to--maybe not solidfy Buck and Eddie as only friends, but at least pump the breaks on Buddie.

I get letting them grow and learn more about themselves in separate relationships first, but Eddie's genuine, physical attraction to Marisol? Going back to the beginning of their relationship so ABC can undo how Fox just kind of through them together like usual right before the season finale and they can actually show the development of this relationship that's existed for months now but we weren't able to see? Paralleling this with Buck and Tommy who want to get to know each other better? Buck and Eddie's shorter, more bro-style interactions vs the softer more intimate interactions we were used to seeing in Buck's kitchen? The hug and "call Tommy," was all just so quick and platonic😭.

I'm not saying they'll never go there, I'm just saying I'm not so confident that if it does happen, we'll see it confirmed in the next few years.

Anyone else know the story of Benson and Stabler on SVU? They were always partners/ best friends/ride-or-dies/more-than-friends/soulmates, but Stabler was Catholic, married and had up to 5 kids. Everyone and their mother knew those two were meant to be, but their timing just never worked out. In their first 12 years before Chris(Stabler) left the show though, they hugged like a total of 3 times, never once said "I love you" or ever crossed the line physically. Okay? You with me? And yet, there was so much chemistry and love shown between them, that they were undeniable.

Cut forward 10 years, and Stabler gets his own spinoff and is brought back into Benson's life. 22 YEARS in the making. In his first season back, his wife was killed, he told her "I love you" and this giant, unspoken thing between them was actually fucking acknowledged by their characters in the show. In one season, they advanced these twos' personal relationship more than the previous 22 years put together.

But then.... nothing happened. I mean small things here and there between the two shows, an almost kiss, them admitting they want each other. But still, three years later and they still aren't together. And now we're at 25 years, for what has to be the slowest slow burn in the history of like, everything.

All this to say, I'm really afraid that ABC and Tim Minear are only coming out swinging so hard in an effort to hook existing fans and gain their loyalty. But then, it's going to go back to doing what any other major television company does, and it's going to fall back into drawing it out as long as possible. Because yeah, the show is on season 7, but if ABC wants it to go another 7 for themselves, they can't just rush and give us what we want in the first one or two seasons, that wouldn't be a good financial strategy for them. I really don't think they'll do it that way.

ABC gave us bi Buck and they can't ever take that away, but will they trap us with that bait, and be content with making everyone halfway happy to avoid taking too many more risks so soon or ever? Yeah, I really think they're not above that.

I feel like we're already falling back into the patented responses from cast and crew that "you never know" or "anything can happen" or "nothing is set in stone", so that's not making me feel great.

Don't get me wrong, I would be so happy to admit I'm wrong if it doesn't go the way I think it will, but I don't think I can live episode-to-episode for another 7 years living off scraps of Buddie interactions and subtext😭😭 I'd rather they just go the "brother" route so I can get closure and focus on fanfiction instead. The will they/won't they and overanalyslzing every single second looking for a hint of something sexual or romantic between them will be the death of me, because at the end of the day, it'll mean whatever ABC will want it to mean😭

Most of yall probably won't even read this, but I had to get my anxiety out, lmao😅

#buddie

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madlori · 1 month

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Please take this ask in the nicest way possible and not as an attack to you or your opinion/thoughts on Buddie/BuckTommy because I am not trying to do that! I just wanna share my opinion with someone who might be willing to hear me out?

But personally I'm gonna be kind of upset and honestly maybe sort of offended if Eddie never becomes canonically queer? It's just that I've heard the sentiment that people should be content with the fact Bi Buck is even happening as if it's wrong to ask for more...

But queer Eddie is as important to some people and while someone can be happy with Bi Buck and glad that it is happening- it doesn't mean they feel represented, like Eddie is Mexican American which is so important and him being queer would be so meaningful for the people who would see themselves in him as that kind of representation is very rare!

I know it's kinda ridiculous but I don't know how I'd feel with them bringing in a blue-eyed All-American to be Buck's endgame or sole male love interest, and ditching canon queer Eddie (because at this point I don't know how we'd get that without Buddie) especially when queer Eddie was considered at least a little bit at the beginning (with the whole 'it was supposed to be Eddie and Tommy at first')

Sorry for the long ask (and my maybe terrible wording, I'm not the greatest writer) and hope you're able to understand my thoughts on this! Queer Eddie just matters a lot to me :')

Thank you for the ask! I think this feeling and opinion about it is very valid and a valuable position to hear.

I'm in no way saying that we "should be content" with Bi!Buck...but I am saying that it's all we may get. You can choose whether or not to be content with it, or to hope/advocate for more, but I also think it's worth enjoying what we have now, which is a pretty big deal.

Eddie being queer WOULD Be meaningful to a lot of people, for all the reasons you state, and it would be amazing. I think being disappointed if it doesn't happen is a totally valid response...I might stop short of that for being offended, as nothing has been promised to us, and Eddie as a straight man is still an awesome character who we love.

Just as a note, I don't put much stock in the "it was supposed to be Eddie who kissed Tommy" reports. A lot of ideas get tossed around in the very early stages of writing. Much like "Maddie was supposed to date Eddie," we don't use that as evidence that Maddie and Chimney aren't good or weren't intended. What we see is what was intended.

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The discarded queer Buck story line

Oliver revealed in a recent interview that a queer story line for Buck was pitched to him a couple of years ago but then discarded. For some reason, everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that it was all about Buddie even though Oliver didn't mention Buddie at all in regard to that question. And everyone is screaming about how it would have all be about the reveal of the will.

Here is what I think:

I believe what was left of the discarded queer story line is TK assuming Buck was flirting with him in the crossover episode. I think Buck wasn't consciously aware of flirting with TK, has never been aware of it when he flirted with men in the past. But one of these men finally pointing out what he was doing and gently rejecting him the way opened his eyes about what he was doing.

And maybe Dr. Copeland, who was never really utilized in the show despite her introduction, was placed to give Buck a sounding board. Maybe Buck should have talked with her about the confusion TK's words caused in him and Dr. Copeland would have gently prodded him to reevaluate his emotions and how he looked at men in the past. She would have given him a safe place to explore those thoughts where he didn’t need to explain anything.

And then, he would have probably all forgotten about that line of thoughts because of the bullshit with his parents and the reveal about Daniel.

Until! Until a little while later Buck met a guy who he thought was super hot. And for the first time he would have stopped and thought about his attraction to that guy. For the first time he was looking at that guy he found super attractive and was able to admit to himself that this was what he was feeling. And then the guy would have started flirting with him and Buck would have been all flustered but also excited and very on board with experiencing this new side of himself he was finally allowing himself to acknowledge.

Instead, the story line that was already set up got shut down. And instead, we got a super awkward date with Veronica and then Taylor returning. And maybe then Tim was so put out that his story line of a bi bi-con Buck (I'll continue to borrow this from that interview!) was shut down that he thought "Hey, let's change the finale in such a way that the Buddie fans will froth at their mouth in excitement. If I'm not allowed to tell a queer Buck story, I can at least give fandom enough to run wild with their own story lines."

(I'm a Buddie fan, btw. I'm now an equal opportunity Buddie and Bucktommy shipper because I don't see any reason to limit myself to just one playground! And I completely agree that the season 4 finale was a gold mine for Buddie. But it could also just be a gold mine for Buck and Eddie being platonic soulmates. And in the end, no matter their romantic relationships, that will always be true: They are platonic soulmates, and it's written in so many of their interactions on screen.)

#911 abc #evan buckley #bi bi-con Buck #bi evan buckley #oliver stark

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lover-of-mine · 2 months

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No, seriously, with the I love you to the core and the way Ryan said he talked to someone at time to understand why Eddie would do that and the way that he reached the conclusion that that was Eddie saying "this goes beyond friendship and I love you to the core" and now with Oliver saying that making Buck bi was discussed earlier but was blocked by executives, they really were gonna do something with the shooting and the will reveal and they were not allowed to. From all the conspiracy theories to be right about, this was not one I thought I would see get confirmed. They know they can't let Buck and Eddie talk about the well, the shooting, the will, the lightning, without making it known they are in love with each other, because it was set up that way but they haven't been allowed to use it yet. And now that they haven't talked about it in so long, they need another trigger so legit, they're gonna try to kill Eddie again. Because Buck needs to make a move, right? You put them in an impossible situation where things are said but Buck is still dating someone else, the ball is on Buck's court because Eddie would not get in the way. That would force Buck to make a choice. That storyline is so clear we all wrote some version of it using Natalia. I will never be able to think about anything else.

#i need to write the anon fic kspsksoksosksoskoas #thoughts thoughts thoughts #911 #911 speculation

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bidisasterevankinard · 1 year

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10 first lines challenge

Tagged by @spotsandsocks @911onabc @buddierights thank you 🫂😘💙

Rules: Share the first line of your last ten published works or as many as you are able to and see if there are any patterns!

I posted 9 fic on ao3 so I will add one ficlet from Tumblr. I also put it not chronological

I was always in front of you

Eddie knows he should rest. It’s a miracle his ribs weren’t actually broken. He’s discharged and should go home, as it’s already quite late.

I wanna be yours

Put on something fancy and be ready by seven. I'll come to get you

This night is sparkling, don't you let it go

It’s raining heavily outside, so Buck and Eddie had to change their plans for a trip to the bar after their shift .

We have time (let's use all of it)

Buck can feel how Hen keeps looking at him. Yes, she didn't clean him, and he probably has a concussion, cause even though he has not the greatest knowledge of medicine, he is familiar with the symptoms.

We are family (let`s buy pajamas to prove it)

A week. Eddie tried to find the perfect way to ask Buck to marry him for a week. It should be something cute and romantic, but also something only for them.

Showers and pranks

Chimney Han is not the guy who seeks revenge. But his brother-in-law crossed all boundaries a week ago.

The story about plushies and love

“Evan Diaz, if you buy one more plush to occupy my spot on the bed I'm kicking you out to sleep on the couch”, Eddie`s voice pulls Buck out of the trance,

Eternity in your hands

Buck still can`t believe it. His little girl sleeps peacefully on his chest with his big hands on her back. She was born a week ago, at home for three days.

Buck and forgotten medicine

Buck knows he has forgotten to do something this morning. Something not really big and life-changing, but still important.

your smell drives me crazy

Buck never thought one of his favorite things in his partner for him would be their smell, but Eddie just smells so good.

Tagging sorry if you did it💙: @wikiangela @wildlife4life @heartbeatdiaz @bi-buck-coded @ebdaydreamer @alyxmastershipper @honestlydarkprincess @transbuck @transboybuckley @cowboy-buddie @rogerzsteven @shortsighted-owl

#my fics #buddie fic #buddie #10 first lines challenge

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