[Brief] Thoughts on Film Theory's Analysis
I was gonna post this on my priv twt.. but moots convinced me to post it here so here we are.. beware of spoilers, gore, bla bla bla ..
FIRST OFF I'm gonna start by saying, I AM ESL. I may or may not have misinterpreted some of his words, but this is mainly how I thought of his analysis. This is not meant to be ill-guided or rude ! so sorry if it comes off as this way. I will be very repetitive.
Another thing, most if not all of the information matpat gave out i alr discussed with a few mutuals on discord about a few months back so this is not new territory to me 😭😭 I thought most folks would already knew the concept of how the brain deteriorates overtime But honestly, that indisposition shouldn’t even apply to omni man??? matpat tried to compare an immortal Viltrumite's psychology to that of an aging human's, which can be misguided.
Let's start by how he compares Nolan's brain to the average aging human's brain so the audience could understand his psyche more and how empathy declines overtime. First and foremost, Nolan is not a human, second; Nolan wasn't raised with empathy or around an empathetic environment - it was an alien concept to his race. Something frowned upon. He was raised from birth to conquer and destroy without remorse. His brain never developed those neural pathways for empathy in the first place. It's not that they deteriorated over time, they were never even formed.
By the time he came to Earth, all this familial stuff was new to him. Sure, he knew he was gonna outlive them, but He didn't think he'd get attached. HE didn't process that he'd grieve over them when the time came.
Interacting with humanity for the first time ignited unfamiliar emotions in Nolan that he didn’t know how to process.
His time living amongst humans caused conflicting feelings he’d never experienced in his centuries of systematic slaughter. Loving Debbie and Mark went against everything he was taught, but he couldn't help it. For once, the lives he was manipulating to further Viltrum’s goals meant something to him. He developed a [what he presumed, NOT what he felt about them in reality, his love for them is far more profound than he assumed it to be which we later on see in the last ep of s1 and the second season] petty facsimile of love for his ersatz family.
So no, his capacity for empathy didn't decline with age as MatPat claims. His empathy was stunted from the start. An underdeveloped skill, not a deteriorated one. We had characters like Debbie to help him understand those notions, help him grow it. With Mark in the mix? it only amplified that development.
Viltrumites are societally and culturally predisposed to violence and domination. Nolan was never accustomed to forming emotional connections or grieving loss. Those were entirely new experiences for him after arriving on Earth. He was not jaded. he was grown into jamais vu in viltrum.
This is why the whole conflict in s1 happened, he was treading between double lives he wasn't sure of. He was conflicted because his past values were refuting with his new experiences. He found love on Earth, he found himself unable to accept how he'd lose Debbie. Of How jaded Mark might become. Everything he said to Mark till that point was his own self-projections, his own fears, doubts.
While the video did provide some interesting facts about neuroscience and aging, the application of those facts to Nolan's character was inaccurate. IT is educational for those who don't know, but it isn't recent news that the brain begins to deteriorate overtime so this video wasn't that informative which kinda disappointed me. Their analysis lacked alot of information about the Viltrumite race and Nolan's character. Comparing him to humans with normal life experiences just doesn't work. His immortal nature combined with a lack of empathy from birth created a psychology unlike anything seen on Earth.
SORRY FOR RANTING ALOT AND OR IF IT SEEMS LIKE I'M GIVING MATPAT SHIT ... i really liked their analysis on immortal so i'll give them that. Immortal, unlike Nolan, was born human. He has lived among humanity for over 3000 years, inhabiting different identities of public and devoted historians. Because of this, his psyche developed quite differently. Immortal knows how to form connections, experience loss, and adapt to social changes. His perpetual existence didn't harden his heart like Viltrum's brutal culture did to Nolan. Instead, Immortal's immortality allowed his empathy and compassion to blossom.
Humans are social creatures. Our brains have evolved to seek out interpersonal relationships, crave affection, and find meaning in community. For an immortal like Immortal, social interaction is vital to staving off boredom, depression and detachment from humanity.
By inhabiting mortal lives, he stays tethered to the human experience. He continues learning, growing, and developing empathy.
This is why he's devastated when the guardians die.
This is also why he goes fucking mental and tries to kill Omni-man.
If Immortal had lived in isolation all this time, unable to connect with people, his psyche would likely resemble Nolan's more closely. Without social interaction, Immortal's brain would atrophy in ways that preclude complex emotions and moral reasoning. His sense of purpose would fade, achievements would lose meaning, and life itself might feel pointless. By engaging with humanity, Immortal gives his endless existence purpose and direction. He finds value in each temporary life, so loss still impacts him deeply. Socializing keeps his emotions and cognition flexible, which prevents the apathy and hardness of heart seen in Nolan. Nolan never had these opportunities in his early years, this is why it's more difficult for him to stray away from his indoctrination. It's that he's unused to it, underdeveloped.
60 years to Nolan would've been a year and a half, so what's 20 measly years on Earth for him? Yes, he found profound connections in that little speck of time, but Immortal's emotional capacity is far more extensive.
In summary, Comparing Nolan to a human, whether mortal or immortal, is kinda inaccurate. His Viltrumite psyche rules out him from possessing JADED human qualities. You could say he's desensitized to violence sure, but no.. unfortunately.. he does not have [boomer] brain. He has [indoctrinated alien-fascist brain]
Leave your own thoughts down below or through reblogs, I'm really interested on what others may think of this! (URGHHHNN... my hcs r slipping away from my fingers cuz now people r gonna accept what matpat says as truth.. someone gun me down from the hills..)
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Sorry if this is a bit personal, you don’t have to answer !
But how did you tell your mum you’re aroace? Or have you not told her?
Because I wanna tell my parents soon I think and I don’t really know how to…lol. I could really use some advice.
:)
Well I came out to her as pan over text and she was supportive and rlly didn’t care so 😭 after that she found out I was aroace as I was telling my psychiatrist about it. (She was in the room with us) ive kinda explained it to her since then but i don’t think she rlly grasps the meaning of it and i rlly don’t know what’s her opinion on it.
I honestly don’t know how to help you.. but in my opinion coming out is so overrated and useless to me. Especially if ur aroace bc plenty of ppl are single for a long time and im assuming ur a teen like me so.. its rlly not that big of a deal🤷♀️
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This is a really interesting discussion to me personally. (Also, this has nothing to do with dnp anymore, just wanted to share my experience.) I identified as a lesbian for a very long time and I dated my childhood best friend for a good few years until he moved abroad. When we were dating, he identified as a lesbian. After our break-up, he came out to me as a trans man. (We are still good friends) So while him coming out didn't have any impact on our relationship since we were broken up, it got me thinking. I asked myself if I would have broken up with him if he had come out as trans sooner. I thought about it a lot. And the answer is no. Because, he was and is still the same person. Long story short, this made me realize I am actually bi. But anyway, I really don't think Phil would break up with Dan if hypothetically, Dan came out as trans and Phil didn't. Dan coming out as trans doesn't erase the years they have spent together and their companionship. I felt the same way about my friend. (Not trying to compare my bond with my friend with dnp's relationship btw, I could never since well, we're broken up first of all, lol and idk, dnp just have sth special.)
yeah for sure! and of course your experience and your identity is your own forever and i hope what im saying doesnt sound like dismissal of your identity because it will always be yours!!!
i think (imo. hypothetical.) phil wouldn't necessarily start iding as bi if dan were a trans woman. but maybe he would idk! i have a friend who is a gay man who is married to a trans woman but considers himself a gay man, because he is still gay, it's just that she is the exception. and ofc she is also okay with that being the case. whether or not that's semantically correct doesn't really matter yknow? it's more about lived experience and how queer people are viewed in society rather than the particulars of definitions.
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