#start again spoilers

[faislittlewhiteraven]

Been thinking this a while but

You ever think about why the House and King in SASASAaP is so much worse than it is in ISaT?

Like, at first I put it down to just 'different timelines/different worlds' but the more I think about it, the more I've realized it is very much the same world and King and the difference specifically lies with the two game's respective Siffrins.

Why the House is so different: In Act 5 of ISaT when Sif 2.0 is running around losing his mind, the House very clearly warps around him. At first this seems to be just Sif's perception of events but when the friends come to rescue him, they bring up that the rooms were warped around, which means that Sif's Wish Craft doesn't just warp time but also space. Because ISaT Sif on some level didn't want the loops to end, the House grew longer, pathways stopped making sense, they were lead to every room of the house where they had any kind of precious memory with their family (but notably not the rock trap room) etc...

And clearly the same thing is happening to the House in SASASAaP, the difference is Loop/OG's mindset: They want to get through the house as fast as possible without 'distractions' like the very helpful Hidden Library they don't know exists but at the same time they dread the king (dread their friends dying over and over and over) so the path is short and free of bosses (including those 'Nostalgia' star crest Sadnesses), but full of time consuming and tricky puzzles to delay them -even just a bit longer- from what they see as the inevitable end. ...Also the path no longer requires the Keyknife and OG Sif gets outright angry at the Change Statue when the others pray at it so make of that what you will.

Ok, so the Houses are affected by Sif's mental state, but what about the King? The King is a totally different kettle of fish. He very much is not effected by the respective Sifs' Wish Craft but he can pick up on it. And well, how does he react in ISaT when he realizes Siffrin 2.0 is using Wish Craft?

... *Thinks about a hand, squeezing*

So yeah. My theory for why the King is so much worse, especially in the Perfect Route in Start Again is simple: Loop/OG Sif had been looping so long that their reek of Wish Craft's sweet smell was basically covering the whole party and the King, not knowing who to torture directly, responds by trying to kill them all especially horribly, especially on the 'Perfect' route where Sif likely continues hiding their looper status even as they are dying. ...Trying to mentally break them just as he tries to break Siffrin 2.0 in ISaT.

...Which is also why he doesn't auto kill everyone in the 'True' route - because that's the route Sif gives up pretending they're not a mess, meaning the King can identify that Sif is the Wish Crafter by the party's concern for them and their lack of reaction (much like the King did in ISaT), can see that Siffrin is already breaking, and thus being the 'merciful ruler' he is, decides to toy with them a bit, only going for the killing blow when he gets lower on health and starts getting concerned he might lose (which in turn means most of his attention in the fight was on the clearly not ok Sif, the party likely noticed and that's probably why Isabeau was able to jump in and block the King's fatal attack in time).

So um. YEAH. That's my thoughts on SASASAaP's King; he's the exact same as ISaT's King the only difference is that by the time OG Sif reached him the first time, they'd already looped a horrific amount of times and reeked so strong of Wish Craft that the King never even entertained the 'talk them down' facade and went straight for the kill/'torture them into submission' option every time.

Not sure these details matter too much really but I figure it might be helpful to all the Loop lovers out there making wonderful fanfics to consider (circumstances Odile can theorise about if Loop ever gives her enough hints to try, perhaps?) so... yeah. Hope my thoughts were interesting and would like to hear your thoughts on the stuff I didn't manage to figure out like the skill differences between the two parties, and various people frozen in the House having different pronouns and things (currently going with: Loop/OG Sif is not really listening to anything and is possibly misremembering details they don't care about for the later but the former is very much 'I know this is probably because refined mechanics but what if-?!' area for me and I'd love to see in-setting reasoning for it) <3

Edit: Realized I forgot to mention a thing: A sweet scent is never brought up in SASASAaP probably because that might've been a later addition to the plot but I like to think it's more because everyone in the prologue is just so used to it at this point that the party are putting it down to being part of the 'King altered' House while OG Siffrin is completely numb to it at this point, and the King's not interested in talking so... yeah. No one brings it up. ...Might also explain why Bonnie doesn't offer the Melanga fritters: the sweet scent could potentially alter the taste (and also they're not 100% sure Sif likes them) so instead they offer sweets like the candy and Palmiers that would be less effected, the burnt samosas which are 'already bad' and the fish head which probably tastes so strong that Bonnie's less worried about it's taste being masked. But that's just my spitballing for excuses so hope that's helpful for anyone wanting to use this info? XD

#start again start again start again #sasasap #start again a prologue #isat #in stars and time #isat loop #isat spoilers #isat act 6 spoilers #fan theory #SAaP #start again spoilers #sasasaap spoilers #two hat spoilers

[pmpknsoup]

trying to figure out how to spoiler warning on tumblr. but uh

!!IN STARS AND TIME ACT 6 SECRET SPOILERS!!

is that how you do it. hopefully.

ANYWAY it drives me crazy how loop honestly wasnt even TRYING to hide it. if id played start again start again start again before isat...

i would normally rave abt this on my ig story but ig and i have beef rn..

the little things loop says....aughhhh....the "why wouldn't i know you?" the "you can use the royal we" the "having someone to talk to about this is better than going through it alone".

masterful writing. im weak. im going crazy im chewing at the bars of my enclosure i need to explode

#in stars and time #isat #isat spoilers #in stars and time loop #loop in stars and time #in stars and time siffrin #start again start again start again #start again: a prologue #sasasap #start again spoilers #LIKE OH MY GOD IM SO CRAZY #im so unwell #do yall even understand #of course you do

[logicpng]

once in a thousand years I return to doodle the boy again

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#fnaf #fnaf help wanted 2 #help wanted 2 spoilers #fnaf daycare attendant #daycare attendant #dca fandom #fnaf dca #sundrop #fnaf sundrop #sundrop fnaf #doodle post #edit: ID was present from the start; i just forgot to put a note on the post AGAIN

[mintybagels]

I’d give anything to hear

You say it one more time

That the universe was made

Just to be seen by my eyes

#i really wanted to make part 2 so here it is #it’s sad time once again so now i will start drawing happier things #once i’m recovered lol #good omens #good omens 2 #good omens season 2 #good omens spoilers #good omens 2 spoilers #gos2 spoilers #gos2 #crowley #aziraphale #FUCK THE METATRON #ineffible husbands #aziracrow #neil gaiman

[ygdrasilly]

also. does the fact that fourteen and fifteen's clothes got divided up between them like this mean that fourteen lost the underwear

#a moment of calm before i think about the ending and start yelling again #doctor who #doctor who spoilers #dw #dw spoilers #fourteenth doctor #fifteenth doctor #the giggle

[yonch]

EVERYONE'S FAVORITE COSMIC JOKE

#in stars and time #isat #siffrin #loop #sasasap #start again start again start again: a prologue #in stars and time spoilers #isat spoilers #ok. ueyah. sure. i'll double post. fucking why not. honestly they make me want to die #AGHHH ghhhaghh AGHHHHHHH Loop #AAAAAAGHH fuck me FUCK me man its so fucking over theyre like AHGHH hahghh AGHHHHHHHHHHAHGHHH #im ok now #etoile tag

[dogstrikes]

I. "What if he didn't get to read that novel... What will happen to him?"

#shes back again. with an orv worm in my brain #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #kim dokja #orv spoilers #my art #embarking on a new journey of drawing one of these every month for the whole year #we're off to a good start bc i just barely made it in before february #id in alt text

[timetodiverge]

You kids BETTER BEHAVE or Ma will wave The Screwdriver at you again!!

#MUM IS BACK YAYYYYYY #crosshair taunting hunter ahhhhh I DIED #words cannot describe how happy I am to have Echo back #he instantly has to step in and start breaking up fights again ahahahaha #tbb spoilers #the bad batch spoilers #tbb #the bad batch #the bad batch season 3 #tbb echo #tbb hunter #tbb crosshair

[alena-draws]

Point of view: You've royally pissed off the most powerful being on the planet.

(Knives is currently not on the planet but above so it counts)

(please click on the full image! It's DIN A3 and the effect is better in full view, especially Vash's glowing eyes! Little close ups under the cut)

#late trimax vash my beloved #alena aquired new skill: colour your lineart without fucking up the pencil strokes and put the colour layer beneath! #shoutout to @plants-and-geraniums whose beautiful angel arm vash fanart inspired me to try that out again #now I don't wanna boast but I'm really happy with how these turned out #also found my new favourite tool on clip studio: the airbrush #also drawing space ship parts is fun #I'm putting some lines in there and suddenly it looks like that part has got some use #trigun #fanart #vash #vash the stampede #trigun maximum #trimax #aah I should maybe tag this with #trigun spoilers #sry that I didn't do this from the start

[slymanner]

God dude these two scenes and how roxie moves hurt my heart so so bad 🥹

it's like a mix of anger, feral, emotional breakdown, and complete sadness that just fucks me up soooo fucking bad.

it's like she's a pet who got abandoned by their owner but they see them again after years of sadness and depression of them being gone and leaving them like that and all that anger and sadness just manifest's into one bundle of emotion's towards them they cannot control.

roxie baby ur gonna be okay u deserve better :[

#scott pilgrim vs the world #scott pilgrim #scott pilgrim spoilers #scott pilgrim takes off #roxie richter #ramona flowers #its the fucking fact throughout that whole scene after the hammer she just starts going COMPLETELY feral and just bawl her eyes out #throughout the whole irl fight until the movie shelf falls on them 🥹 #can she like #get a hug or something i get her so so much i get u gurl im so sorry u gotta go through this #this episode really just #shows how important closure is for a relationship/even a friendship #like of course it depends on the person and the relationship but man. #People don't realize how important it is to not just leave a person behind like that without explanation but instead give them closure about #it and telling them how you feel. #it really is as simple as that sometimes...and i think people forget that and just wanna ghost/leave as fast as possible #to not deal with the emotions of the situation. #Like both roxie and ramona finally just talking about the situation does sm for their future as friends and i loveeee ittt #so so much better then the comics version off them I feel like this is PERFECT. #again obviously theres just some situations where talking just doesnt work and you both just have to move on. #but when theres situation's like roxie and ramona? talking is needed. #talking/closure is so so important guys remember that when its needed. <3

[booasaur]

Special Ops: Lioness - Aaliyah wanting to see Cruz's face

#specialopslionessedit #special ops lioness #special ops: lioness #aaliyah amrohi #cruz manuelos #stephanie nur #laysla de oliveira #special ops lioness spoilers #aaliyah x cruz #femslash related stuff #she's so gone #really hoping she's able to call back these moments #and realize cruz was genuine #also how their relationship changes in such a short time #first it's ''please'' and looking from afar #but she's pretty free with taking liberties by the end #editing tags again to add lol at the difference in her nails from start to finish

[bizarrelittlemew]

calling it right now that season 3 starts like this

#so confused about people saying the season finale feels like the end because to me it didn't at all #there's like 5-10 issues immediately set up for another season #they're in a happy place at this point because they've both realized their love is bigger than anything else #and makes it worth working on their problems together #the problems are still very much there #both of them have deep self esteem/self loathing issues that haven't been resolved in the week since ed woke up #ed doesn't know about stede's trauma #they haven't talked through anything #and they'll be shit at starting/running an inn lmao it's not gonna go well #and those are just some of the internal issues #then there's prince ricky and all the authorities that would very much like to get their hands on both blackbeard and stede bonnet #because stede just full-on kept using his government name after faking his death. nice one #the crew are not “gone” they're more like off to college for a bit but will probably run into trouble immediately #again because while they escaped to the ship they didn't eliminate the threat (the british empire) #it's not a forever goodbye #ok this got super long already anyway i have a whole fic marinading in my brain until i've finished these 4 wips i'm in the middle of ✌️ #hope we get a renewal soon because i want to see the rest of their story!! #ofmd s2 spoilers #ofmd s2 #ofmd #our flag means death

[lucabyte]

you dream of devouring your friends whole

#the 'it' and 'that' sif is referring to is the act 3 loop hangout but i enjoy being vague in dialogue it feels natural. tee hee. #serious time means everyone gets noses btw. sorry about the slow metamorphasis back into my usual style from my mimicry #in stars and time #isat #isat spoilers #isat loop #isat act 5 spoilers #isat act 6 spoilers #isat siffrin #in stars and time fanart #isat fanart #sifloop #YES IM TAGGING THE SHIP. THUMBS UP. READ INTO THAT HOW YOU WILL BECAUSE IT WAS ON MY MIND WHEN DRAWING IT AT THE LEAST #aaaaaanyway. my personal reading of loop is. how do you say... flowey-esque. to invoke a fellow antagonistic timelooper. since imo #they do seem even fuuurther gone than sasasap sif was when we saw them. and BOY DOES LATEGAME ISAT SIF HAVE SOME INTRUSTIVE THOUGHTS #so uh. who's to say what happened in there. since we know start again isnt quite congruent as loop never beat the king. #i wouldn't blame them for going maybe a little mad. just a lil #it is important to me that loop is. perhaps a bit haunted. AND THAT THEY GET THROUGH IT!!! but they are haunted #lucabyteart #anyway uhhh. probably should put a cw for implied cannibalism?? #cannibalism mention

[ajihaew]

THE ONLY WAY OUT IS THROUGH

#999 #999 spoilers #ze spoilers #zero escape #junpei 999 #akane kurashiki #9 persons 9 hours 9 doors #hi i just finished 999. haven't started vlrbut #the sorcerer has harmed me once again. #wearing a shirt that says “i <3 plot relevant upside down sudoku” #artists on tumblr #art #to the guy in the tags who told me i wrote the wrong name. i did do this. #dw i'll play in the right order

[riickgrimes]

What did they take from you? Carl. They took Carl. I lost him again. When I got taken, I fought and I fought. Not just by trying to get away, but by how I would dream. I'd meet up with Carl in my dreams. And that's how I survived in here. Kept me alive. Then one day, he was just gone. He just left.

...

If Carl were here right now, what would he say? What would he want you to do with this new chance to be with those you love?

#the walking dead #the ones who live #twd: the ones who live #twdedit #towledit #towl spoilers #rick grimes #michonne grimes #carl grimes #mine and only mine #I CANNTTTT #THOSE SHOTS OF CARL RIPPED MY HEART OUT #OH YM GOD #THE FACT THAT RICK REALLY DID START TO FORGET CARL #THE FACT THAT MICHONNE REMINDING HIM OF CARL BROUGHT HIM BACK #once again it was carl who brought him back from the brink #RICK AND CARL WILL NEVER NOT MAKE ME SOB MY EYES OUT

[naswoop]

[nod nod nod]

#art #isat #in stars and time #sasasa #start again start again start again #siffrin isat #isabeau isat #in stars and time spoilers #isat spoilers #isat act 5 spoilers #in stars and time act 5 spoilers