#spn 5.05

[sensitivehandsomeactionman]

#Sam Winchester #Dean Winchester #samedit #deanedit #spnedit #SPN #spn 5.05 #hunter's helper #self medication #the way they wrote this scene is interesting to me #played for humor but still they wrote him drinking #as well as making dean's job sound like sex work #they so often casually mention his drinking and drug use #just the little hints that putting his body on the line takes a toll #danistuff #p.s. love the ongoing labor/class divide in the kripke years

[spngeorg]

Episode 87: 5.05 Fallen Idols

It’s a short one this week, friendos! The podcast, yes, but also the episode itself. It runs so short they included a SOON segment at the end of the ep promoting the next three episodes!

And for one filled with painful irony-- a god cosplaying as beloved icons in order to devour fans of said icons-- and a good number of classic lines (four score and seven years ago, I had a funny hat!), the episode overall is pretty straightforward.

Plus, as a nice break, Sam and Dean actually communicate well! They make a little bit of personal progress! Hooray for MotW episodes!

LINKS!

The Superwiki page for this episode

My tag for this episode (11 whole posts! Including this one! like five whole minutes of reading!)

Chicago Tribune piece with Kripke and Sera

Chicago Tribune episode preview (unfortunately the embedded video was Flash media, but the text lives!

EW interview with Kripke about Paris Hilton

Video of J2 talking about working with Paris at Vancon 2009

short promo clip from SpaceTV

Also, if you know of the spn script hunt group, we’re currently raising money for the Trevor Project (and giving away autographed scripts!). So if you’ve clicked through the links in any of my episodes to read various scripts, casting sides, and other items in our collection, maybe consider making a donation. The script raffle portion of the drive runs through December 5, and we’re closing in on our final goal of $5k! Thank you to everyone who’s helped us get there!

Listen now on AnchorFM, or wherever you enjoy podcasts!

#spn 5.05 #spn podcasts #spiders georg of the tnt loop

[scoobydoodean]

You really just can't unsee it once you see it though, can you?

Sam starts blaming Dean for what he's going to do (work with Ruby) way back in 3.09 because Dean isn't going to be around to be Sam's mommy, which is going to force Sam's hand.

After Dean comes back, Sam actually blames Dean for him working with Ruby by saying Dean wasn't there to protect him (4.04).

Dean repeatedly begs Sam not to work with Ruby and is ignored repeatedly (3.03, 3.04, 3.09, 3.16, 4.01-4.04, 4.12-4.22).

After telling Dean to open up to him and trust him (4.08), Sam calls Dean weak and pathetic for being traumatized by hell and says Dean is holding him back and therefore deserves to be lied to because he can't be of use (4.14) Sam says it's not what he really thinks when they both know it is (and Sam repeats it to other characters in 4.16, and 4.18) and then he admits it's the truth again to Dean's face in 4.21.

Sam accuses Dean of not trusting him enough (4.21).

Bobby blows up at Dean for not supporting Sam enough and calls him a pansy after Sam strangled Dean near unconscious, and tells him family is supposed to make you miserable (4.22).

Dean tries to reach out to Sam and Zachariah and Cas actively prevent him from doing so (Cas only at first) (4.22)

Zachariah (5.01) and Cas (5.02) both tell Dean the apocalypse is his fault because Dean didn't reach Sam in time to stop him from killing Lilith.

Dean says Sam hurt him, Sam is the one Dean depended on the most and Sam hurt him in ways he can't even voice (5.01). Sam apologizes, but then in the very next episode, shoves Dean into a wall for not trusting him like Dean is crazy and irrational when Sam doesn't even trust himself (5.02).

Sam says he thinks they should go their separate ways and is shocked when Dean agrees easily. Dean says that he spends more time worrying about Sam than he does doing the job right and time apart would be good. Sam reiterates that he's sorry and Dean gently says he knows Sam is (5.02).

Cas asks Dean if he's okay even without his brother, and Dean says "Especially without my brother. I mean, I spent so much time worrying about the son of a bitch. I mean, I’ve had more fun with you in the past twenty-four hours than I’ve had with Sam in years, and you’re not that much fun. It’s funny, you know, I’ve been so chained to my family, but now that I’m alone, hell, I’m happy." (5.03)

Sam says he wants back in. Dean objects, on the basis that he thinks they're stronger apart. Dean says they're each other's weaknesses and it's being used against them (5.04, but the weakness line is repeated from 3.03 and 3.16).

Zachariah pushes Dean into a future 2014 where Dean never met up with Sam again, and as a result, Sam said "Yes" to Lucifer, and billions of people died. All because Dean didn't want to be around Sam after being hurt and never reconnected with him (5.04).

Dean reconnects with Sam (5.04) even though he clearly doesn't want to, because the first case we see them on again, Dean struggles to trust Sam and leaves to go drink alone because he doesn't want to be around Sam (5.05).

Sam says part of the reason he went off with Ruby was to get away from Dean, because Dean is smothering. Dean is the problem in the relationship, because Sam feels inferior compared to him. Dean apologizes for being too smothering (5.05).

What does all of this tell you? Dean can't win. Dean will always be the bad guy in the family. He loves too much, or he isn't loving enough. Sam needs him and Dean wasn't there for him and so Sam went down the wrong path, but also Dean is smothering and Dean being smothering is the reason Sam went down the wrong path. Sam is not a trustworthy person, but Dean doesn't trust him enough. Sam not being trustworthy is Dean's fault. Dean doesn't deserve trust, but Sam deserves Dean's trust no matter what and not giving Sam his trust is the worst possible thing in the entire world and also again makes him smothering. The apocalypse is Dean's fault. Every single thing Sam does every single mistake he might ever make in his life is always at least partly Dean's fault and Dean's responsibility.

#parentification #season 5 #season 4 #multiseason #projecting displaced aggression and scapegoating in spn #3.03 #3.16 #3.09 #4.04 #4.22 #5.01 #5.02 #5.03 #5.04 #5.05 #family chains

[deancasforcutie]

the way spn is positively ENTRENCHED in queer cinema history

(see captions for context)

#happy Pride Month to the series and fandom that taught me more about queer culture and self-love than any other #supernatural #spn #dean winchester #castiel #destiel #spn meta #dean is bi #spn is queer #2.02 #4.05 #5.03 #5.05 #5.16 #6.06 #10.05 #12.12 #13.01 #14.16 #mine

[ardentpoop]

#spn #he is SHOCKINGLY good at communicating for someone who grew up with only john and dean winchester to look up to #like im so sorry you're trapped with him baby girl . ur stronger than me i wouldve screamed my head off at him several eps ago #which in dean's head would justify him behaving the way he has which would make me Certifiably Insane #this relationship makes me want to rip all my hair out lmao it's so stressful to watch #5.05

[lower-the-volume]

fallen idols

#dean winchester #spn #supernatural #Sam Winchester #s05e05 #5.05

[humandisorderincarnatedean]

#don't think it's about if he does or doesn't have sex#but about how he lies his way into people's beds#this is something he admits in the show more than once#and we've seen it happening#that is disrespectful#spn

the only thing said here which is true is that lying to get someone else into bed is disrespectful.

it absolutely is mostly about if dean does or does not have sex. there are in fact people having weirdly puritan opinions about this grown man having casual sex with people, and that is what the post was responding to. it might not be about that to you, but that doesn't automatically redefine the scope of the discourse

dean is shown lying to women, but he's technically never shown to be lying to get them into bed. we could extrapolate that this happens even if it isn't shown (such as in 1.19 and 5.05, both times in which he pretends to be a talent scout while flirting with a girl, but in neither of which it is actually clear if they had sex?) but there is no actual, completely solid thing to point to here if this is your claim. it's an interpretation, just not the sole one.

he doesn't ever admit to doing that on the show let alone more than once

what we saw happening was flirty interactions where dean lied about his job, mainly because he's a monster hunter. we didn't see this happening concretely any more than we saw sam having sex with genevieve padalecki while he was possessing her husband's body

#if these opinions get me labeled an apologist or something else idc #also if there are any people who think dean is legitimately attracted to teenagers I will be happy to disabuse you of that notion too #though it is easy to (mis)interpret there is no legitimate instance of that <3 #.txt

[tiktaalic]

The mass download of spn eps I did swapped the names of 5.05 and 5.06 so that “the end” is entitled “fallen idols”. Says a lot about society. Doesn’t it

#etxt #spnwatch

[castiellesbian]

Ben Edlund:

2.05 Simon Said

2.12 Nightshifter

2.18 Hollywood Babylon

3.03 Bad Day at Black Rock

3.09 Malleus Maleficarum

3.13 Ghostfacers

4.05 Monster Movie

4.08 Wishful Thinking

4.16 On the Head of a Pin

5.04 The End

5.10 Abandon All Hope…

5.14 My Bloody Valentine

5.20 The Devil You Know

6.03 The Third Man

6.09 Clap Your Hands If You Believe…

6.15 The French Mistake

6.20 The Man Who Would Be King

7.02 Hello, Cruel World

7.09 How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters

7.15 Repo Man

7.21 Reading Is Fundamental

8.05 Blood Brother

8.13 Everybody Hates Hitler

8.21 The Great Escapist

Julie Siege:

4.07 It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

4.12 Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

4.18 The Monster at the End of This Book

5.05 Fallen Idols

5.12 Swap Meat (with Harvey Fedor and Rebecca Dessertine)

5.17 99 Problems

#supernatural #writers tournament #polls #i apologize in advance for this one

[i-make-fun-of-spn-characters]

Things that really happened in SPN:

Dean got his ass kicked by Paris Hilton.

#things that really happened in spn #it was actually a pagan god but close enough #supernatural #dean winchester #spn season 5 #spn 5.05 #typos are my mortal enemy agghhh

[foxthefanboi]

Supernatural 5.05 Fallen Idols

#FUCK this scene was so validating #everyone treats sam like shit for SO LONG after he breaks the final seal #even though he didn't know it was a seal #and even though EVERYONE (excl. high up angels and demons) thought killing lilith would stop the apocalypse #even earlier in this episode #dean says to bobby 'the apocalypse [...] we all know whose fault that is' #ok maybe it's because i'm a too-forgiving sam stan #but the sam hate by the other characters was so fuckin disproportionate #and in summary I'm glad for this brief scene. #thank you for coming to my ted talk #and now for our sponsors: my actual navigation tags - #Sam Winchester #Dean Winchester #Supernatural #spn 5.05 #5x05 #gif: sam #gif: spn #gif: dean #mine #foxgifs #s05 #julie siege #* #sam and dean

[mittensmorgul]

5.05, Fallen Idols. Or that one where a delusional, ignored God plays characters that their intended victims will "relate to" in order to prey on them...

I'm sure that's not a direct parallel now to what Chuck's been doing all along or anything...

LESHI: Someone tripped the apocalypse. And I thought, what the hell, I'm tired of watching what I eat. I wanna pig out. So I found this little place. It's awesome. Adoring fans stroll right in the door. SAM: Yeah. But they're not your fans. LESHI: So? They worship Lincoln, Gandhi, Hilton...whatever. I'll take what I can get. DEAN: You know, I gotta tell you, you are not the first god we've met, but you are...the nuttiest.

LOLOLOLOL! But it does help finally give them some perspective, but living through this exact Apocalypse scenario through this smaller scale... I mean, Leshi even invoked John Winchester as the person Dean idolized, and any mention of John is always a parallel to Chuck. This is just another microcosm of the Big Story, after all.

DEAN: Hell, maybe you're right. I mean, look, I'm not exactly Mister Innocent in this whole mess either, you know. I did break the first seal. SAM: You didn't know. DEAN: Yeah, well, neither did you. I'm not saying demon blood was a great way to go, but, you did kill Lilith. SAM: And start the apocalypse. DEAN: Which neither of us saw coming, I mean, who'd have thought killing Lilith would've been a bad thing? Point is, I was so worried about watching your every move that I didn't see what it was actually doing to you. So, for that I'm sorry. SAM: Thanks. DEAN: So where do we go from here? SAM: They way I see it, we got one shot at surviving this. DEAN: What's that? SAM: Maybe I am on deck for the devil, maybe same with you and Michael, maybe there's no changing that. DEAN: Well that's encouraging. SAM: But, we can stop wringing our hands over it. We gotta just grab onto whatever's in front of us, kick its ass, and go down fighting.

They saw through one god's shady deceptions, so maybe, just maybe, they have a shot of shattering another...

#spn 5.05 #s14 hellatus rewatch #it's spirals all the way down #spiders georg of the tnt loop #that's what free will is

[deanncastiel]

stackednatural ▸ 23 - 26/327 Fallen Idols | 05.05 | 10.08.2009 The Third Man | 06.03 | 10.08.2010 I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here | 09.01 | 10.08.2013 Last Holiday | 15.14 | 10.08.2020

#spnedit #stackednatural #spncentral #spncreatorsdaily #userpris #alivedean #becauseofthebowties #achillestiel #Supernatural #briedits #spn: gifs #stackededit #5.05 Fallen Idols #s5 #6.03 The Third Man #s6 #9.01 I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here #s9 #15.14 Last Holiday #s15

[scoobydoodean]

You know what's funny in Fallen Idols? The way Dean "disrespects" Sam as an equal by getting him to do something that... Dean usually does for both of them.

After the first scene in the wax museum, Sam is shown going through the weapons in the trunk, loading rock salt shells into their shotguns, making sure they're ready to go. When he comes into the motel, Dean asks him if he got the trunk all packed up, clearly implying to us that Dean asked Sam to load and pack their weapons while he was on the phone with Bobby. This is clearly framed as an "indignity" Sam is forced to suffer as a result of Dean being bossy.

What's really funny about that is that managing, loading, and cleaning weapons is a job Dean is usually shown doing alone. We see Dean cleaning weapons in 1.14, 1.16, 2.03, 2.17, 3.01, and 4.19 to name a few. In "Mystery Spot" when Sam says he wants to leave without breakfast, Dean says "All right, I'll pack the car." Dean is also implied to manage the trunk's arsenal in 1.06, 1.07, 1.12, 1.20, and 3.12.

As far as my recollection, this is the only time we ever see Sam do this chore alone, besides when Dean is dead in 3.11 and 4.09.

#pk rewatches spn number ? #5.05 #dean chores #sam chores #season 5

[bisamwinchesters]

5.05

#sam winchester #5.05 #supernatural #spn #screencaps #my edit #a nutjob #mine

[ardentpoop]

haaaaa

#spn #theres my rare moment of Tenderness Towards Dean in this ep lmao #whenever he wants to extend an olive branch or say how much he cares w/out actually saying it he uses the car 😭 #like at the end of 5.02 when they decide they're breaking up and dean offers to let sam have the impala #like that is not an insignificant gesture from him lol. everything else he said was a knife to the chest but sammy do u wanna take the car #im shaking him by the shoulders #5.05