#miriam forcible

[kuaille]

holy trinity of "LGBT+ Characters From Spooky Stop Motion Movies For Children"

#paranorman #mitch downe #coraline #april spink #miriam forcible #wendell and wild #raul

[gayelderstourney]

OLD WOMAN YURI BRACKET ROUND 2

Propaganda:

Red/Blue:

a love story of two time travelers on opposite sides of a war who leave love letters to each other over millennia. their time traveling shenanigans intertwine their very long-lived lives in unexpected ways

Miriam Forcible/April Spink:

They never married so they’ll never divorce baby!!!

Neil Gaiman said they were lovers confirmed. Retired burlesque dancers and gay basement dwellers. Icons.

They are THEEEE old woman yuri couple. They're icons, they're legends, and they are the moment. They are everythingggg. They're both so eccentric and still very welcoming and kind, and their house is just so full of life and history… it just looks so lived in!

They are canonical old lady lesbians that have been apart of many children’s childhoods, they deserve some recognition for that. (Which yes, they are canonically gay for eachother)

Gay old women 🙏 (also they're canon lovers, but only in a word of god way)

i haven't actually watched or read coraline but i know these two are gay. even says so on the wiki and on neil gaiman's blog

#polls #round 2 #gay elders tourney #tournament poll #this is how you lose the time war #red #blue #coraline #april spink #miriam forcible

[arloissomething]

Miss Spink and Miss Forcible in Coraline have the same energy as Crowley and Aziraphale when they're talking to Warlock and Adam. They way they argue over the tea leaves just radiates "don't listen to him, you listen to me".

In other words both couples, despite never having a canonical wedding, are the most Married people alive.

#crowley #neil gaiman #good omens #aziraphale #coraline #april spink #miriam forcible

[bayoubashsims]

Love these two old 'gal pals'.

#the sims 2 #ts2 #coraline #miss spink #miss forcible #april spink #miriam forcible

[dosmill]

☆Miriam Forcible ☆

#animation #cartoon #film #movies #neil gaiman #coraline #miss forcible #miriam forcible

[thatonecoralinefan]

I need a Miss Spink and Miss Forcible fanfic. Right now. No questions asked. It can be any type. Idc. I need to see some lesbians.

#miss spink #miss forcible #miriam forcible #april spink #dont ask #i needed to live out my lesbian dreams so I need a fanfic abt em

[officermaddie23]

She’s so sassy lol

#Coraline #coraline jones #wybie lovat #mel jones #charlie jones #miriam forcible #april spink #mr bobinsky #Youtube

[delusional-dingus]

just learned that Miriam (Miss Spink) and April from Coraline are canon lesbians + are a couple :DD

(got this info from Neil Gaiman, the author of Coraline)

#coraline #miss spink and forcible #April and Miriam

[felix-lupin]

In Coraline, there’s a recurring theme with names and identity, and I personally don't think it's talked about enough. 

(As a note, this is dealing largely with the book, not the movie, although there are some hints of this theme in the movie as well)

Coraline’s neighbors constantly get her name wrong, calling her “Caroline” and not “Coraline”, to which she persistently corrects them. Despite her attempts, they never get it right, until chapter 10, in which Mr Bobo (Mr Bobinsky) finally gets it right.

"It's Coraline, Mister Bobo," said Coraline. "Not Caroline. Coraline." "Coraline," said Mr Bobo, repeating her name to himself with wonderment and respect. "Very good, Coraline."

It should be noted that, until this chapter, Coraline did not know Mr Bobo’s name either. In fact, it had never even occurred to her that he had a name. Up until then, she had just been thinking of him as “the crazy old man upstairs”, not as a person with a name. This moment, with her learning his name and him getting her name right, is a moment of genuine understanding and connection between the two, humanizing them both to each other.

Coraline’s other neighbors get her name wrong, which is representative of them not listening when she says anything, really, such as her telling Miss Spink and Forcible that her parents are missing and them literally not even acknowledging it at all??

"How are your dear mother and father?" asked Miss Spink. "Missing," said Coraline. "I haven't seen either of them since yesterday. I'm on my own. I think I've probably become a single child family." "Tell your mother that we found the Glasgow Empire press clippings we were telling her about. She seemed very interested when Miriam mentioned them to her." "She's vanished under mysterious circumstances," said Coraline, "and I believe my father has as well." "I'm afraid we'll be out all day tomorrow, Caroline lovely," said Miss Forcible. "We'll be staying with April's niece in Royal Tunbridge Wells."

Mr Bobo gets her name right after being corrected (only after being corrected alongside her using his name, mind you, showcasing her making an effort to listen to and understand him as well), which is representative of him actually making an attempt to listen and understand her. This point is further illustrated by a conversation Coraline had with the Other Mr Bobo in chapter 10.

As Coraline entered he began to talk. "Nothing's changed, little girl," he said, his voice sounding like the noise dry leaves make as they rustle across a pavement. "And what if you do everything you swore you would? What then? Nothing's changed. You'll go home. You'll be bored. You'll be ignored. No one will listen to you, not really listen to you. You're too clever and too quiet for them to understand. They don't even get your name right."

He equates those in the real world not getting Coraline’s name right with them not listening to her, and fundamentally not understanding who she is. So, somebody getting her name right, then, shows them actually listening to her, and being willing to understand who she is.

The mice in the real world know more than they should be able to know, and they also get Coraline’s name right.

"The message is this. Don't go through the door." He paused. "Does that mean anything to you?" "No," said Coraline. The old man shrugged. "They are funny, the mice. They get things wrong. They got your name wrong, you know. They kept saying Coraline. Not Caroline. Not Caroline at all."

They seem to know about the other world, somehow, on some level, and the dangers it presents. Them getting her name right represents them knowing more than they should know, more than they are told. Animals in general seem to have this type of quality in Coraline, actually.

The cat does not have a name. It says so in chapter 4, that cats do not need names. It says that this is because cats know who they are. But humans need names, because they do not.

"Please. What's your name?" Coraline asked the cat. "Look, I'm Coraline. OK?" The cat yawned softly, carefully, revealing a mouth and tongue of astounding pinkness. "Cats don't have names," it said. "No?" said Coraline. "No," said the cat. "Now, you people have names. That's because you don't know who you are. We know who we are, so we don't need names."

The cat shook its head. "No," it said. "I'm not the other anything. I'm me." It tipped its head on one side; green eyes glinted. "You people are spread all over the place. Cats, on the other hand, keep ourselves together. If you see what I mean."

This shows that, in humans, names are connected to our identities and who we are. Names are used to individualize and distinguish ourselves from each other. But cats do not need names to recognize each other, or be recognized.

"Oh. It's you," she said to the black cat. "See?" said the cat. "It wasn't so hard recognising me, was it? Even without names."

With or without names, it is still the same cat.

During the Other Miss Spink and Forcible’s performance, in chapter 4, they begin quoting Shakespeare. The specific quotes that they use are interesting to me when looked at under this lens of the importance of names, especially Miss Forcible’s.

"What's in a name?" asked Miss Forcible. "That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

"I know not how to tell thee who I am," said Miss Spink to Miss Forcible.

Now, of course, this is just them quoting Shakespeare. But. Why these quotes specifically? They’re at the very least notable when discussing Coraline’s recurring theme of names. Especially the quote about the rose. It makes me think of what the cat said earlier, about how cats are sure of who they are so they don’t need names, about how Coraline didn’t need the cat’s name to be able to recognize it for who/what it was.

But, of course, this does not apply for humans. We need our names to be able to know ourselves, to be able to tell others who they are.

In chapter 6, Coraline wakes up and is disoriented. This disorientation is compared to the feeling one might experience upon being suddenly pulled out of a daydream. In this comparison, forgetting one’s name is equated with forgetting who one is and where one is.

Sometimes Coraline would forget who she was while she was daydreaming that she was exploring the Arctic, or the Amazon rainforest, or darkest Africa, and it was not until someone tapped her on the shoulder or said her name that Coraline would come back from a million miles away with a start, and all in the fraction of a second have to remember who she was, and what her name was, and that she was even there at all. Now there was the sun on her face, and she was Coraline Jones. Yes.

The ghost children have also forgotten their names, and with it most of who they were. In chapter 7, when Coraline is locked behind the mirror in the Other World, one of the ghost children says that names are the first things that one forgets after death.

"Who are you?" whispered Coraline. "Names, names, names," said another voice, all faraway and lost. "The names are the first thing to go, after the breath has gone, and the beating of the heart. We keep our memories longer than our names. I still keep pictures in my mind of my governess on some May morning, carrying my hoop and stick, and the morning sun behind her, and all the tulips bobbing in the breeze. But I have forgotten the name of my governess, and of the tulips too." "I don't think tulips have names," said Coraline. "They're just tulips." "Perhaps," said the voice sadly. "But I have always thought that these tulips must have had names. They were red, and orange-and-red, and red-and-orange-and-yellow, like the embers in the nursery fire of a winter's evening. I remember them."

The ghost children may have their memories, but they have largely forgotten who they were. They may remember their tulips, and certain strong memories, but there is very, very little left of them, and they have forgotten who they once were, they have forgotten their names.

"That is why we could not leave here, when we died. She kept us, and she fed on us, until now we're nothing left of ourselves, only snakeskins and spider-husks. Find our secret hearts, young mistress."

"She will take your life and all you are and all you care'st for, and she will leave you with nothing but mist and fog. She'll take your joy. And one day you'll awake and your heart and soul will have gone. A husk you'll be, a wisp you'll be, and a thing no more than a dream on waking, or a memory of something forgotten."

The Other Mother stole their hearts and their souls and their selves. She stole who they were away from them, their identities and names and the names of those they loved, leaving nothing in her wake.

The same ghost that talked about the tulips and the names of the tulips struggles to answer when Coraline asks their gender, as well, and when they do eventually give an answer they seem somewhat unsure of it, as shown by the word choice of “perhaps” and “I believe”

"A boy, perhaps, then," continued the one whose hand she was holding. "I believe I was once a boy." And it glowed a little more brightly in the darkness of the room behind the mirror.

(I personally take this quote, specifically it "glow[ing] a little more brightly" after coming to this conclusion, to mean either that the ghost is happy at realizing that he was once a boy, or even to mean that he has become somewhat more tangible upon this realization; upon remembering something about his self, and his identity.)

As an aside, it's noteworthy to me that we never learn the Other Mother’s true name. She is simply “The Other Mother” and “The Beldam.” Never is an actual name applied to her, only titles. We do not truly know who, or what, she is. Beings without names are shrouded in mystery (or should i say mist-ery). The ghost children are benevolent mysterious beings, the cat is an ambivalent-leaning-helpful mysterious being, and the other mother is a distinctly malevolent mysterious being.

"Who are you?" asked Coraline. "I'm your other mother," said the woman.

"She?" "The one who says she's your other mother," said the cat. "What is she?" asked Coraline. The cat did not answer, just padded through the pale mist beside Coraline.

But in conclusion, names in Coraline are extremely important. I’m sure there’s probably more that I'm missing, and feel free to add onto this, but basically—

People need names to know and remember who they are, and forgetting one’s name is the first step to losing the rest of who one is. Names humanize a person; with a name, they are less shrouded in mystery, more clear.

Knowing somebody's name helps one connect to and better understand that person; it is the first step in getting to know them and see them as a full person, the transition from “the crazy man upstairs” to “Mr Bobo”. Names, to people at least, are one of the fundamental building blocks of who we are.

#felix's posts #felixlupin.txt #coraline #neil gaiman #coraline jones #the other mother #the beldam #other mother #coraline 2002 #coraline book #books #novels #writing #essay #long post #the ghost children #mr bobo #mr bobinsky #the cat coraline #the cat #felix luquin #lmao i spent like 3 hours writing this wtf why did i do this #it was 5 pages long on google docs😭😭 #i wrote this at 3am #and then put it in the queue #as an aside #perhaps its worth mentioning that in the movie wybie says that thing thats something along the lines of #'an ordinary name like caroline can lead to people having ordinary expectations about a person' #just thought that was interesting to mention even if it didnt fit in the body of the post #names and identity and expectations...

[sergle]

im so sorry but every time I see your pre/post deboobing I just think of that one old lady in coraline. the breasting boobily one.

GASPS MIRIAM FORCIBLE?????? NOOOO BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY ME

#SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE ME FOR REAL!!!!!!!!! #screaming rn that was literally the scale they were at #sergle answers

[centuriespast]

Surveillance Photograph of Militant Suffragettes Criminal Record Office (active since c.1914) National Portrait Gallery, London

Portraits of Mary Raleigh Richardson; Lilian Lenton; Kitty Marion (Katherina Maria Schafer); Lillian Forrester; Miss Johansen; Clara Elizabeth Giveen; Jennie Baines; Miriam Pratt. Surveillance photographs of militant suffragettes were issued to public galleries including the National Portrait Gallery in 1914. Most of the images in the composite group photograph were taken undercover while the women were in the exercise yards of Manchester or Holloway prisons. Of those included, Gertrude Ansell (1861–1932) (below, bottom row, second left), a professional typist, attacked Hubert Herkomer’s portrait of the Duke of Wellington at the Royal Academy and was forcibly fed 236 times.

#militant suffragettes

[gayelderstourney]

OLD WOMAN YURI BRACKET ROUND 1

Propaganda:

Ms. Bitters/Countess von Verminstrasser:

verminstrasser is literally the only person ms bitters has ever said anything positive about iirc

Miriam Forcible/April Spink:

They never married so they’ll never divorce baby!!!

Neil Gaiman said they were lovers confirmed. Retired burlesque dancers and gay basement dwellers. Icons.

They are THEEEE old woman yuri couple. They're icons, they're legends, and they are the moment. They are everythingggg. They're both so eccentric and still very welcoming and kind, and their house is just so full of life and history… it just looks so lived in!

They are canonical old lady lesbians that have been apart of many children’s childhoods, they deserve some recognition for that. (Which yes, they are canonically gay for eachother)

Gay old women 🙏 (also they're canon lovers, but only in a word of god way)

i haven't actually watched or read coraline but i know these two are gay. even says so on the wiki and on neil gaiman's blog

#polls #round 1 #gay elders tourney #coraline #miriam forcible #april spink #invader zim #countess von verminstrasser #ms bitters #i have a feeling this one is gonna be a sweep. i basically invented bitterlice and its filler so errrrrr

[neil-gaiman]

I'd never thought much about Miss Forcible and Miss Spink but I didn't realize those were their last names, I thought those were their first names (for some reason) and that's probably how people came to the sisters conclusion

Their first names (April and Miriam) are given in the book and on the film too, though.

[wreckham]

PrideToons 2022 Or, some of my favorite canon/fanon LGBT cartoon characters!

[Characters are listed from left to right.]

GAY: Gabu x Mei, Arashi no Yoru Ni /// Norman Babcock x Neil Downe, ParaNorman /// Ronno x Bambi, Disney's Bambi

LESBIAN: Vitani x Tiifu, The Lion King/Guard /// April Spink x Miriam Forcible, Coraline /// Lyra Heartstrings x Bonbon/Sweetie Drops, MLP: FIM

BISEXUAL: Jake, Warrior Cats /// Charlie B. Barkin, All Dogs Go to Heaven /// Sunset Shimmer, MLP: FIM

TRANSGENDER: Freddy Lupin, 100% Wolf /// Eggs Trubshaw, The Boxtrolls /// Trixie Lulamoon, MLP: FIM

I love you, my LGBT siblings. Stay strong and stay beautiful, and watch more cartoons!

#lgbt #pride 2022 #gay #lesbian #bisexual #trans #transgender #arashi no yoru ni #paranorman #bambi #anime #laika #disney #the lion king #the lion guard #coraline #my little pony #mlp fim #warrior cats #all dogs go to heaven #100 percent wolf #legend of the moonstone #the boxtrolls #beckhamdraws

[cosmignon]

I replayed Wandersong this month, so I have a little handful of doodles and such to share <3 I love bard and miriam so much and also audrey too

The last comic has its dialogue ripped from one of the frankenbugs's vods of their playthrough, highly recommend it, good time

ID #1: A drawing of Miriam and Bard from Wandersong standing beside each other facing the camera. Miriam is frowning with her arms crossed while Bard smiles and makes a peace sign. End ID.

ID #2: A rough sketch of Audrey Redheart confidently walking toward the camera as she holds her sword behind her back. End ID.

ID #3: A sketch comic of Miriam and Bard talking to each other. Bard is gesturing wildly with zest in their eyes, while Miriam maintains a deadpan stare with her arms crossed. Miriam: "You can stay in Delphi or I can fly y--" Bard: "I'm not fucking going home, Miriam! I'm going with you! YOU CAN'T GET RID OF ME! You've been forcibly found family'd, Miriam! Get in the car, we're BESTIES NOW!!" Miriam, thinking: "okaaaay..." End ID.

Commission Info is in my Pinned Post!

#wandersong #bard wandersong #kiwi wandersong #miriam wandersong #audrey redheart

[ur-fav-is-agere]

April Spink and Miriam Forcible from Coraline

Are caregivers!

#idk I felt like they needed to be on the flag together #coraline #Coraline agere #ur fav is agere #fandom agere #age regression #agere #sfw #sfw caregiver #sfw interaction only