#iliad 23

[finelythreadedsky]

obsessed with stories where the message is that you can't bring someone back from the dead even if you can bring someone back from the dead

#the ones where people come back from the dead *to tell their loved ones they cant come back from the dead*... #orpheus and eurydice #iliad 23 #alcestis #the set of songs that includes the unquiet grave and sweet williams ghost and lowlands away and the two brothers #mine

[adriles]

waking up in the middle of the night, gripped by unending sorrow, yelling, sobbing, punching my pillows, because i have forgotten to bury patroclus

#Thou sleepest and hast forgotten me Achilles…. #book 23 #patroclus #people confounded by this account r so funny to me #it is just dril tweets but the iliad my guy #and also me posting about the iliad while extremely sleep deprived drunk or high trying to mimic the cadence #when there r themes in the posts it is always intentional. i love sorrow and tragedy and grief and rage #mission statement honestly #achilles is a piece of shit and i try to embody that. he is so stupid and annoying and so full of grief. he is soooo doomed #doomed boy i hate you im kissing u so intensely #greatest hits #yall came in on this one so fast what the hell #themes

[eternalera]

book 23 in the iliad is just so fucking funny to me. half of it is basically just athena looking at diomedes and odysseus and being like 'omg theyre my boys look at them go' and then sabotaging the entire competition so that they can win.

also theres apollo being a bitch and denying teucer his shot because he didnt pray and knocking the whip out of diomedes' hand which was fucking hilarious

#diomedes #odysseus #athena #the iliad #homer #teucer #apollo #book 23 the iliad #book 23 #greek mythology #no but like can we talk about that lmao #the iliad is kinda silly <3

[i-spilled-my-soup]

Might be random and questionably-out-of-plot even but erm i was reading your asklepios au stuff and thought hey Will and Nico's relationship is giving Apollo and Daphne if you'd like that mental in your head. (Let me eat the sun child)

hmm would like to hear more on that. apart from trials of apollo i've only encountered the myth of apollo and daphne in ovid's metamorphoses which paints it in a dissimilar light. to me this is more of an orpheus and eurydice situation or an iliad book 23 achilles and patroclus situation

#in apollo and daphne myth daphne did cease to exist as a naiad #but the reluctance in this au is more of sacrifice rather than escape #also specifically giving off iliad achilles and patroclus in book 23 of the iliad #nothing else fits #willhas a different hubris goin on #i mean book 19 is a huge part of the worldbuilding with all the unrotting body stuff #curious though #soup ask

[starsandsteelandbrokenglass]

me when homer yet again makes his heroes on both sides of the trojan war unbearably sympathetic and human:

[image id: the “He can’t keep getting away with it!” meme. end id]

#classics #tagamemnon #iliad #homer #thought i was safe bc i was reading iliad 23 #which is mostly funeral games #which kinda suck #but i forgot about all the mourning that comes first #πάντα γὰρ ἤδη τοι τελέω τὰ πάροιθεν ὑπέστην... #i cry...

[cithaerons]

there’s something so gut-wrenching about aeneas’s dead wife creusa. what happened to her? we don’t know. she is behind them, and she just disappears. and how do we learn she is dead? aeneas runs into her ghost while trying to find her living person. and we still never learn how she died - just “it was her fate to remain in troy.” the scene is so eerie, so uncanny, and so haunting.

#i do need to reread the aeneid #and this scene shortly before the bleeding trees scene…. which also is so profoundly uncanny #thinking about this with the iliad 23 mention before….

[sh5]

day 3 of trying to listen to all of Cassandra Gemini by The Mars Volta in one sitting

#lee speaks #you see. The song is incredible. But what I usually listen to and this song are like a William Carlos Williams poem compared to the Iliad. #two completely different levels of length; language style; and substance by square wordage #It’s 23 minutes long and I have ADHD. I never blame things on the ADHD but this one gets the pass

[trans-cuchulainn]

"Grief is closely allied with anger. They are expressed with similar sounds: moans, groans, shouts, and screams. Like anger, grief responds to a terrible loss or terrible harm done — but without any sense of the possibility of reparation. Anger turns the pain outward, against others; grief turns it inward, to the self. People subsumed by rage try to replicate the wrongs they have suffered by hurting others. Those consumed by grief long to turn their own bodies into that of the dead loved one, by lying down in the ground, cutting the hair, scratching the face, and rolling in the dust. The enraged want to humiliate, hurt, or kill; the grief-stricken want to be dead and to inhabit the perspective of the dead.

But grief is different from anger, because it can be expressed and experienced collectively. Through the funeral rites and games for the dead Patroclus in Book 23, Achilles shares his loss with other Greek warriors, just as the Trojans in Book 24 are able to share their grief at the death of Hector. Even enemies, like Priam and Achilles, can share a moment of grief. Anger drives communities apart; grief brings them together, over a shared acknowledgment of irredeemable loss."

Emily Wilson's Introduction to The Iliad, p. xliii

#emily wilson #the iliad #grief #anger

[ladyvictoriart]

"A last request - grant it, please. Never bury my bones apart from yours, Achilles, let them lie together… So now let a single urn, the gold two-handed urn your noble mother gave you, hold our bones - together"

Patroclus, The Iliad: Book 23

#ink art #traditional art #manga art #mythology and folklore #greek mythology #the iliad #achilles and patroclus

[dootznbootz]

I fucking love the fact that Odysseus doesn't insult Penelope even when she doesn't accept him at first.

Odysseus is a "0 to 100" personality. When Agamemnon teases him with "Are you a coward, Odysseus?", Odysseus yells at him, saying "Telemachus' loving father's head will be ripped from his body before he's a coward." in the Iliad. When Eurylochus' questions him during book 10 of the Odyssey, he has to be held back by the other men from cutting off his head. I've noticed that he talks about or ends up cutting someone's head off like Leodes. Maybe it has to do with him being the "smart guy"??? Even when complimented by Diomedes, Odysseus yells at him how "Everyone here knows I'm good at stealing, you kissass. Let's go get some horses."

Odysseus is VERY hot and cold, in a way. He's mostly "chill" until the slightest insult. "A man of many ways". But when "insulted" by Penelope with her not accepting him at first?

"Heaven made you as you are, but for sheer obstinacy you put all the rest of your sex in the shade. No other wife could have steeled herself to keep so long out of the arms of a husband she had just got back after nineteen years of misadventure. Well, nurse, make a bed for me to sleep alone in. For my wife's heart is just about as hard as iron."

(Book 23, Rieu)

Even after she mentions their immovable bed being moved?

'Penelope,' he cried, 'you exasperate me! Who, if you please, has moved my bed elsewhere? [...]

(Book 23, Rieu)

"If you please"? You're the king and you ask???

Literally destroyed something he made himself, something that has so much meaning for them, and she, to his knowledge, destroyed it, yet he doesn't insult her. Doesn't threaten her. Other translations mention how he rounds or rages at her, but even then there is no threat despite the fact that he very well could kill her.

THAT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT HOW HE ASKS FOR ANOTHER BED!!!5fyiuhioj

Just???s lkfj skljf

"You're stupid." Odysseus: I'll rip your fucking head off. Penelope: "You're stupid." Odysseus: Yeah, you right.🥴

#I've said this before but I'm going nuts again. #reread my physical copy and bursting with love for these two again. #Mad rambles #shot by odysseus #odypen #“Heaven made you as you are” is only in this translation but like??? “You're literally created by the gods but you're so stubborn”???? #lskjf aldks #LET ME FUCKING HAVE THIS

[finelythreadedsky]

i'm literally always thinking about jo walton's phrasing "the time-traveling goddess pallas athene," hands down best way of expressing what goes on with divinity and temporality in greek literature

#i think achilles is trying to create a time loop in iliad 19-23 but he's mortal so it doesnt work #hera does do some time travel in iliad 14 however #caveat that i could not explain or define what 'temporality' IS #but im writing about it now i guess! #mine #hmm i think the phaeacians are time travelers in the same way as the people in the just city

[adriles]

ilove the idea of beating the shit out of the spirit of my Son's rival's dad in the fields of elysium with one of the sacrificial sheep odysseus left in erebus

#the odyssey #book 11 specifically #agamemnon #neoptolemus #orestes #thinking again of ducky’s tags about agamemnon and achilles resolving their whole to do in book 23 of the iliad but that peace is fragile #so even though they come to respect each other again and value the other the conflict between neoptolemus and orestes #has the possibility to fracture that restructured connection #soo true bestie

[patrochillesvibes]

The Funeral Games of Patroclus

By Jacques-Louis David

And the son of Peleus led their passionate lament, placing his man-slaughtering hands upon the breast of his companion: “May it be well with thee, O Patroclus, even in the house of Hades; I am fulfilling now all I pledged to you before,​ dragging Hector here to give to the dogs to devour raw, and before your funeral pyre I will cut the throats of twelve of Troy’s noble sons, in rage for your slaying.

The Iliad, Book 23, Lines 17-23

National Gallery of Ireland

#Achilles #Patroclus #Patrochilles #fine art #The Iliad #TSoA #Homer #greek mythology #Jacques-Louis David #tagamemnon #Hector

[snoopyreadsliterature]

[24.01.2024: wednesday]

23/100 days of productivity

in a very energetic mood today. i'll need to get some of that energy out with a workout! i had a delicious omelette for breakfast, might make pizza for dinner today...all in all seems like it's going to be a good productive day!

goals for today: - drink 2ls of water (✓) - study art history + ethics (✓) - read! (productivity goal) (✓)

i hope you have a great day.

tune of today: Can't Take My Eyes Off You - Boys Town Gang

left: greek mythology and its retellings. books shown: 'Elektra' and 'Ariadne' by Jennifer Saint, 'The Song of Achilles' and 'Circe' by Madeleine Miller, 'The Iliad' and 'The Odyssey' by Homer (trans. E. V. Rieu). right: Hygieía fountain, Karlsruhe.

#studyblr #study blog #study motivation #studying #studyspo #study aesthetic #daily blog #100 dop #100 days of productivity #booklr #reading #books and reading #dark academia #chaotic academia #dark acadamia aesthetic #snoopy's personal posts

[marysmirages]

Achilles and Patroclus shadow. Iliad. (2022)

This is a redrawn version of the work done in 2015, where the characters still look very stereotypical: classical greek/ hellenistic (This old work is also in my gallery :D ).

"No sooner had sleep caught, dissolving all his grief, as mists if refreshing slumber poured around him there-- his powerful frame was bone-weary from charging Hector straight and hard to the walls of windswept Troy-- than the ghost of stricken Patroclus drifted up... He was like the man to the life, every feature, the same tall build and the fine eyes and voice ..." "Hovering at his head the phantom rose and spoke: 'Sleeping Achilles? You've forgotten me, my friend. You never neglected me in life, only now in death. Bury me quickly- let me pass the Gates of Hades. Oh give me your hand- I beg you with my tears! Never, never again shall I return from Hades once you have given me the shoothing rites of fire. Never again will you and I, alive and breathing, huddle side-by-side, apart from loyal comrades, making plans together- never ... Grim death, that death assigned from the day that I was born has spread its hateful jaws to take me down. A last request- grant it, please. Never bury my bones apart from yours, Achilles, let them lie together..." "So now let a single urn, the gold two-handled urn your noble mother gave you, hold our bones-- together!' And the swift runner Achilles rassured him warmly: 'Why have you returnde to me here, dear brother, friend? Why tell me o fall that I must do? I'll do it all. I will obey you, your demands. Oh come closer! Throw our arms around each other, just for a moment- take some joy in teras that numb the heart!' In the same bfreath he stretched his loving arms but could not seize him, the ghost slipped underground like a wisp of smoke... with a high thin cry."

Song 23.  Homer's Illiad

#patrochilles #achilles #patroclus #achilles and patroclus #iliad #homer #homer's iliad #bronze age #mycenaean greece #ancient greek mythology #tragedy #galaxy #marysmirages #troy #soulnate #ghost #soul #art

[intermundia]

Obi-Wan Kenobi / Iliad book 23

#this weapon is your life #quotes that rip your heart out #when you see their lives buried together in one coffer #obi-wan kenobi #patrochilles #obikin #obi wan kenobi spoilers #i feel this has been done by others but i had to do it too #sorry no miller posting but the og text is best i promise