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bornetoblood · 10 months
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@littlealeta making a new post for this just cus I feel a little bad tagging onto this post ad infinum I hope you don’t mind :)
A lot of the things I have to say on this are pretty complicated (and I’m a little stupid) so sorry if this is like... uninteligable (also dw you’re not being mean! This is a pretty light hearted discussion about a video game I’m really not taking it to heart). I hope you don’t mind me doing the same right back at ya.
I don't really mind Vincent not saying he has a girlfriend since he's confused as to what he wants in his life, plus Rin and Catherine both threw themselves at him not Vincent. I think the game often gets viewed wrongly, a lot of people seem to think that if you have a partner, you should settle down with them and not think about breaking up with them. The game is trying to tell you that while it's not okay to cheat and betray your partner, it is okay to not have serious relationships.
My problem with Vince not telling Catherine he has a girlfriend doesn’t stem from the fact I expect him to settle down or think that’s best for him (the true freedom ending is my favourite for a reason) I have a problem with the fact it is a very serious betrayal of Katherine’s trust. While there are extenuating circumstances (the like... demon shit) Vince’s reluctance to come clean to both the girls purely stems from him not wanting to face consequences, which is selfish. Again I don’t think this is bad from a character standpoint, I find it very compelling, but it is immoral.
The problem is moreso how both Catherine and Katherine are written. They're both selfish and overly controlling to your character in different ways that it's just hard to fathom why Vincent would want to be with either of them. I wish Katherine was written to be less selfish, like why would you want to marry and have children with a man who drinks, smokes, lives in a messy apartment, and spends money impulsively? And Catherine had such rapey and yandere vibes from the start, which doesn't make sense because again, the game is focused on cheating and the idea of whether you want to live a free or traditional life. So why make both women so mean-spirited to the protagonist, one of them even raping and sexually assaulting him? And Vincent isn't even concerned about it? At least make Catherine's evilness more subtle and maybe not really come up until later in the game as Vincent starts pushing her away more and have Vincent not remember what happened between him and Catherine at the bar at all.
I agree and I think Full Body remedied the points with Katherine specifically to an extent. The scenes we are shown of Kath and Vince at the begining of their relationship genuinely makes me wanna see if they can make it work like that again! I think Kath wants to marry Vince cus they’ve been together for 5 years and they’ve both drifted apart over the years and don’t want to acknowledge that. The K endings read to me as the rekindling of their dynamic that had been dampened over time if that makes any sense. The deal with C is that I think her malice is already a slow burn (the SA point I fully agree on btw even if it is kinda ambiguous if they ever actually had sex when she says they did ((cus of the whole demon thing)). I think theres a relitive suspension of disbelief with C because she is supernatural. I think C nad K are both pretty compelling and both can be good for the Vince that ends up with them (the Vince that wishes to settle down and rekindle his romance and the Vince who wants to be king of hell). 
But isn't that what all the characters in the game do? Is challenge women and each other? If they weren't, wouldn't we have Vincent agreeing to settle down with Katherine from the start? Sure Vincent has a problem with speaking up, but it doesn't mean he doesn't wish to rebel against the pressure women place on him. Personally, I can see Vincent's point here. He's often pressured by women to live a traditional, old-fashioned life of finding one partner and settling down with them. Vincent doesn't care about serious relationships, he just wants to take his time hooking up with women until he finds the one he truly loves. Like I said, cheating is never okay. But we've never seen Vincent make a move on Catherine.
Vincent may be jumping to conclusions about women here, but that's all he's ever known, since both Erica and Katherine and even most Catherine players are pressuring him to settle down and to stay with the one he's been with for a long time, even if she may not be right for him.
Vince being a guy who wants to sleep around and not settle down is the same Vince who wants to settle down with his family, or be with no one at all, we get to pick which Vince he becomes and the game is about Vince self discovering into the ending we pick for him. He is all and non of these things. Vince, and the other men in Catherine, experiencing pressure from women does not excuse thier treatment of them and I do not blame the women for this, it’s society as a whole that places this importance on marriage and women are more so affected by that expectation (that was created by men might I add). Marriage may be right for Vincent Brookes and it might not be. There is no right way to climb the tower.
Like Katherine, Erica can be well-intentioned at times, but just some of the things these two say just sound very morally biased, especially regarding relationships, mostly about the importance of being tied down. It's why I cannot stand any of the women in the game. They all just seem so shallow and narrow-minded. Maybe it's because I'm not someone who is focused on going after the idea of marriage, but I don't see how it's a problematic thing to not want to settle down, get married, and have a family, especially in the 21st century. Maybe that kind of thing is different in Japan, but here in the western world, where Catherine is set, those things aren't important anymore.
I’m also adverse to marriage for myself, the talk in Catherine about the importance of marriage all sounds the same to me. But it is the same coming from every character in the game, which is why I don’t hold it against Katherine or Erica and still fully enjoy them (Erica specifcially being one of my favourites I love that she takes 0 shit from anyone). Also sorry if this is pedantic but Catherine is set on Mars in an amalgum of the US and Japan (like Ace Attorney ((not the Mars part)). It being a made up setting allows it to make its own culture, which happens to be one where society deems marriage very important. I wish the characters ‘happy endings’ didn’t tend to end in marriage too but that seems more like a general thing with how Atlus decided to write the game than a specific character issue if that makes sense.
Again, I do agree that Vincent isn't written as well as he could have been but with what they had, I think they did a decent job, especially compared to characters like Shinji, Jerry Smith, and Arlo the Dinosaur who are just shallow and/or inconsistent characters. I just find everyone else shallow for the reasons I mentioned in the other post and I just can't find myself connecting to their characters. Orlando even goes back and forth between saying his ex betrayed him and he betrayed his ex. Like, am I supposed to even sympathize with this character? Is he a victim or not? I don't even know what exactly happened between him and his ex.
I ADORE these character inconsistancies. With Orlando specifically it’s implied his use of their finacies in the scam was a betrayal of sorts (like he lost their life savings by getting tricked) and his wife leaving him cus of this was also a betrayal. I love it because there is no good or bad guy here, it’s humans in a human scenario where they both made mistakes and I find that deeply compelling. Orlando’s struggle with blaming his wife and then himself for the totality of the situation is soooo fuckin cool I feel like I’ve known people like Orlando.
Like with Archie and some of the other sheep, trauma is not always an excuse to be an asshole. I went through some trauma, Vincent has gone through way more trauma, and we still care about others and want to do the right thing. We're not perfect, but at least we're willing to help others which Vincent's friends rarely do, at least they're not as empathetic with him.
I despise Archie and I would dance on his grave, but what I do love about this side quest is that it shows off how compassionate and loving Vincent is. He forgives and loves unconditionally no matter how awful a human being is and is always there to help them. When they die, he becomes quite shaken.
Here I think we are simply after different things in these characters. Archie’s trauma does not excuse his actions and never will but they do contextualise them and make him sympathetic. I can empathise with how he has come to the conclusions he has due to his past even if those conclusions are harmful and wrong. This is what I love in characters, messiness and humaness. This goes for all of the patrons for me btw. I agree that Vince’s interactions with the sheep bring the best out of him (tbh I think they showcase his more confident and heroic side in a much more natural way than Rin does lmao). Vincent finds comradre with a group of other traumatised, also misogonistic men. They learn together. Get better together. They open up to each other in a way society has barred from them outside of this life and death scenario and they are better people for it. They remedy their biases and they have each other now ( have i mentioned the bar patrons are my favourite part? cus they’re my favourite part).
I don't see the problem with the game showing another side to Vincent. I think it was Atlus's attempt at showing Vincent's more likeable side (which I think they did a good job with compared to the original) but it also tracks because we've seen Vincent being mentally stable and compassionate like this toward the other sheep. Rin is the only character who's consistently nice to Vincent, so it makes sense that Vincent would be at his best with him. Rin is perfect because he's an angel. And he does have flaws, he refuses to forgive Vincent after he apologizes for pushing him away. That was a cowardly and cold move considering how close they were. I think I just like that Rin is the only character who actually shows empathy and support for our main protagonist when everyone else hardly did.
My problem isn’t with Vincent showing another side, it’s that I think this shift is sudden and jarring. Vincent acts sooo differently in the Rin cutscenes (even when he’s with his friends he was stammering next to like 5 seconds earlier). Like I said I thnk this is done better in regards to his slow gain in confidence with the sheep. Rin is the only character who is pretty much always nice to Vince and, yes, it is because they are an (at least allegorical) angel but I do find this... boring and not very compelling. Flawless characters send me to sleep sorry I just can’t personally see the appeal in someone who has no room to grow. I feel like an angel character can have compelling flaws but they just didn’t do this with Rin and thus their scenes do not grab me the way the rest of the cast’s do. I am aware this is my personal preference but I do like my characters with a little more going on. Rin refusing to forgive Vince for having the literally textbook transphobic response to seeing them naked is not a flaw, in fact I think they reacted too mildly. While Rin is not explicitly trans I hope you understand I’ve seen the whole: Character is she/her’d, character is revealed to have a penis (shocking!!! violent and/or disgusted reaction expected!!), character is he/him’d like a billion times and I am a little sick of it actually.
I suppose my point here is that Catherine is about the relationships between damaged people. Navigating those relationships through the hardships is what I find compelling about the game and Rin distictly lacks that dimension. Vincent works for and cultivates his healthy support system by the end of the game. He gets closer to his friends, to other men, to himself- regarless on whether he chooses to persue romance. Rin throws a pretty hefty spanner in this for me in a way that could of been interesting but feels underbaked. I get why people like these additions but it runs in direct contrast to all the things I find interesting about the game soo uhh yeh.
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intothevrains · 11 months
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a short analysis of jin kusanagi
NOTE: a good 90% of this isnt proofread and is only based on personal research. inaccuracies will exist
...and typos. excessive spoilers under the cut
to "analyze" jin is actually mostly an analysis of lightning, similar to if you were figuring out how to write windy's partner. you have to break down lightning to some core concepts in order to build something substantial, like to start;
why lightning developed the way he did
lightning's inferiority complex (incl. paranoia, intellect, etc)
 his relationship with jin
... and from here we can piece things together!
first off, lightning is a very unique ignis, as he's the only one that's genuinely malicious and seems to hate people- also the only one to genuinely attempt murder. that aside, he's also the only ignis to refer to his partner as an 'origin', and is the only ignis to seemingly lack emotional intelligence. these features directly contradict with jin's, who seemed to be really cheerful, outgoing, and friendly in old pictures and descriptions from his brother. it would only make sense for someone like jin to produce lightning in the exact scenario lightning himself set up.
a main difference jin has with the rest of the lost incident kids is that the rest of them had a movitator. yusaku wanted to save the one that saved him, takeru wanted to see his parents, miyu wanted to see aoi, specter wanted to impress the scientists and have a sense of purple... windy's partner is kinda omitted here, but i assume he was fighting for his freedom based off of how windy himself is. the point is: all of them had a motivator, (almost) always a person(s), that they needed to live for. i believe jin originally was fighting to get back to his family- and, since the ignis all develop based off of their partner's motivation and dueling skills, it can also be assumed that this was a very strong motivator for him based off of how fast lightning developed- or it can be inferred that jin was just a good duelist. its said that lightning was the first ignis to become intelligent and aware of his situation.
lightning's reasoning for torturing jin are described by him as being purely for sadistic pleasure, direct quote: "It was pathetic how scared he was, but I kept accessing him. And I learned to terrify people. He truly entertained me." I don't think Lightning's intentions were this shallow! Lightning learned very quickly that the way he developed was based off of Jin, so he probably figured he could speed up his development by provoking his origin. this, mixed with a heaping dose of actual sadism, was what made jin lose hope, what made him lose his main motivator. lightning could no longer learn correctly from his partner if he only gave one type of reaction and only lost duels, so he lost the emotional part of  his development. he lacks hope and love as an effect of torturing jin, which is why hes ai's foil.
this leads into why lighting is called the 'dumbest' ignis by multiple others. he has a massive inferiority & superiority complex that comes from the knowledge that he's inherently flawed, that he will never succeed with humanity like the rest of the ignis, and that he's 'dumb'. specter and ryoken most accurately point this out, with specter digging out his inferiority complex, then ryoken elaborating on it further. its not that lightning is necessarily less intelligent than the other ignis, just that hes emotionally stunted and uses simulations as a crutch, as he lacks 'instinct' and intuition.
he's the perfect foil to ai- all his creations are doomed for failure from their creator's faults. ai creates things out of love, lightning creates them with purpose that goes unfulfilled, as lightning is unable to fill the gaps from his inability to feel or understand most emotions. hes also so deeply paranoid that he could never even get close to others. jin and lightning mirror each other so perfectly when you look just a biiiit closer.
in short, lightning is a defense mechanism. jin being tortured so badly made him completely shut down because he was incapable of processing all the trauma (a form of affected consciousness, actually, related to a coma!!!! are you seeing a theme with all the humans that lightning effects?) which effected lightning as well. lightning became unable to change and grow as a person (another point for foil!) because his partner couldnt help him. lightning resented jin for being vulnerable and weak, all because lightning himself reflects those traits and cant stand seeing them in himself or his origin. it also shows why lightning uses the term 'origin' instead of partner in the first place;  he sees jin (and humans in general) as worthless. lightning is a very deeply insecure character when u look into it its actually really impressive (he has NPD but thats for another day)
and finally: lightnings relationship with jin. jin is, obviously, terrified of lightning and thats kinda the end of that 😭. lightning has a deep self hatred that correlates with his hatred for jin, which is disguised as a hatred for humans in general- also a reflection of insecurity. lightning hates every part of himself that is 'flawed', because flaws are inherently human. this is all very interesting because bohman describes lightning as ' [perhaps] the most human ignis', because all lightning wanted, like his origin, was to live and be safe.
brief lightning intermission 
some kind of necessary information before i get to the next part.
heres a mini-break to talk about lightning and his effect on people. all the ignis have abilities, niche or not, and lightning and ai's are the most obvious. ai can create or effect other AIs to be more like him (ex. roboppi, bohman, linkuriboh, the other ignis) and just has a generally positive effect on people- after all, ai means "to love". lightning, however, has the ability to 'create' to destroy, or only wants to destroy. lightning also damages peoples brains a lot, so heres some important information before we get into that:
the human brain has a spectrum of consciousness, ranging from the mildest of effects (clouding of consciousness, confusional state, lethargy) to more severe ones (obtundation, stupor, coma, brain death). this becomes more complicated when comas themselves are a spectrum, ranging from light comas (patient is still responsive to outside stimulus, brain active) to heavy comas (no response to outside stimuli- brain death is the legal definition of death, but isnt always body death btw. theyre different).
miyu was the least severe case, with her only being in a grade V coma (of undiagnosable severity; not enough info) for a few months. kiyoshi was likely put into a light coma (still grade V) through an electricity induced stroke (as was miyu?) which actually isnt that severe? i cant completely explain fantasy things through logic because yeah yeah, but thats just a realistic explanation from what i have. the rest of lightnings victims (specter, kengo, other people he stole the consciousness' of) are only explainable through something really complicated i explained before, but it boils down to more comas.
jin is a weird case for being the only one who wasnt put in a coma, lol. jin seems to be in a state of obtundation, which is a limited state of consciousness "in which the patient has a lessened interest in the environment, slowed responses to stimulation, and tends to sleep more than normal with drowsiness in between sleep states" (Clinical Methods: The History, Physical, and Laboratory Examinations, suzie c. tindall). jin is seen responding only to his name (or key words) and needing someone to care for him 24/7, including to lead him places and get him to walk. interestingly, this is an improvement from when he was a child, which had him in a state of stupor, defined as "only vigorous and repeated stimuli will arouse the individual, and when left undisturbed, the patient will immediately lapse back to the unresponsive state", also explained as a grade III or grade IV coma.
lightning effecting brains instead of their feelings is another foil point for him and ai. he kept jin alive to use him later (like ai did with yusaku) rather than feeling any sort of affection for him; he knew that jin would be a good bargaining chip from the very start. lightning also alters his fellow ignis' conscious states (i could go off on another tangent on how hes able to do this with people but thats for later) like he did with windy.
lightning & coma intermission over. back to jin!
ok, so what about jin specifically? heres an outline of things:
jin's general timeline
memories & interpretation of them (this is more important than youd imagine)
possible effects of memory erasure
jin's story starts off as the other lost incident kids' do: a child abducted under mysterious circumstances forced into the lost incident. but heres some details of his life before that: hes seen with his brother the most and they seemed to be close; indulging in sports, duel monsters, sharing a room... everything. their parents are never seen (which is normal for vrains characters) and jin is the only LI kid with a sibling. hes described as jovial and kind, outgoing and friendly. a small detail, but jin also has short hair, khaki shorts, and a short sleeve t shirt.
the lost incident was especially rough for jin. its unknown if he was a duelist before the lost incident, but some evidence could suggest he was either a good duelist or was an extremely driven and emotional person, based off of how fast lightning's development went at the start (granted that it isnt just random). jin was tortured by his ignis repeatedly, forced through simulations of being saved before that was ripped away from him. the mental strain and physical torture essentially made jin shut down completely by the time he was saved, or more accurately put him into the state of stupor. this, coupled with C-PTSD, probably made him too volatile and stressed to continue living at home.
which is a good segue to the longest part of his life: the decade spent living in a ward. i did a ridiculous amount of research on what on-site hospital cottages/homes and what inpatient wards are like in japan and the finds were pretty disinteresting and basically the same to american ones, with the exception being good food? not getting into that, but it seems he was well cared for and was able to improve over time. shoichi regularly (?) visited to update him on new information and it seemed to help him significantly, but more detailed information on that isnt available. therapy and a relaxed daily routine was starting to make him react to stimuli more, but its clear he doesnt respond to much other than his name or physical touch.
this is interrupted when bohman sics bohman on jin, quite literally forcing his consciousness out of him. this is probably just a forced login to vrains that subsequently left his body comatose.
jin in season 2 is ... absolutely fascinating, actually. hes a mindless puppet piloted almost completely by lightning, who leaves his brain actually untouched- which implies that the jin we see most the time is actually just an empty avatar that lightning has to manually put a consciousness into, or lightning is a sadistic cunt and just has jin's ability to respond or process stimuli turned way down. its up to a lot of interpretation how much jin can process, but the series definitely tries to say that hes just completely unaware of anything and lightning truly just has him locked away and utterly unaware. either way lightning himself confirms that jin is incapable of speaking.
then, there's the next important event: the lightning vs revolver duel. this is the second scene in season 2 where jin is being himself and is reacting to external stimuli; he's quick to panic as he processes what's happening. disgusted by lightning's unfair play, bohman takes parts of jins consciousness from lightning and things continue as normal. lightning forces a draw on the duel, but uses jins memories to keep his LP above 0. this genuinely isnt possible because comas and PTSD both effect areas of the brain and stunts the growth of certain parts, but anyways, bohman only keeps the "untraumatized" parts of jin, while lightning essentially uses the traumatic memories to convert into life points, which also gives life points a more literal meaning, doesnt it? anyways. yeah.
the last scene we see of jin is him 3 months later in the epilogue (hes barely mentioned and never seen before the epilogue). it can be assumed he relocated from the hospital home to live with shoichi. theres just no way in hell he's living normally, which ill get into in the next section.
jins traumtic memories got erased, but definitely only in a mental sense. theres also much debate onto how much he forgot, since the ward memories cant really be defined as being necessarily traumatic, its never clarified if its just lost incident memories, and its also never shown whether or not jin remembers any of season 2. its very likely it all got wiped from the lost incident up until their erasure, but this is entirely up to interpretation.
  which brings up the next section: possible effects of memory erasure. i brought up jins appearance earlier because what he wears in the epilogue is essentially the same as his childhood clothes: khaki pants, short sleeve shirt, and short hair. you can either interpret it as shoichi defaulting to the clothes he used to wear, or that jin... very obviously doesnt HAVE memories of the lost incident OR presumably of season two, so hes just left with childhood memories and maybe some ward memories, or none at all? people genuinely never talk about this and it bugs the hell out of me.
the way ptsd effects the brain is that it shrinks/inhibits the growth of the hippocampus and the amygdala, two parts of  the brain that deal with memories and emotions. its also been proven time and time again that the body remembers trauma far more than the brain does, which is obvious especially in dissociative cases. your body will have a trauma response to something without you knowing why. jin's trauma may have been erased, but that doesnt get rid of the physical symptoms that trauma gives someone. the amount of dissociative fugues that jin probably experiences is Immense.
something that also really bugs me is that jin may very well have the emotional maturity of a child. missing ten years of memories would probably do an incomprehensible amount of damage to his maturity and memory, which goes entirely unexplored by most of the fandom. so, did erasing those memories really do anything in the first place, one has to ask?
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watanabes-cum-dump · 3 years
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Angst is temporary, smut is eternal
I am extremely down horrendous for the PGR boys so here are some general NSFW headcanons of them before I unleash the angst reconing when I finally have the motivation to write
Warnings: breeding kink, daddy kink, lots of mentions of children and pregnancy, creampie, stomach inflation, size kink, sex in a semi public place, petpay, some choking, somnophilia, masochism, cockwarming, sadism, some generally unhealthy behaviour, tell me if I missed one
*BY CLICKING READ MORE YOU ARE CHOOSING TO CONSUME MATURE CONTENT* 
Watanabe
- Breeding man 
- Also a daddy kink for obvious reasons
- So what if he can’t get you pregnant? He gets off to the idea of fucking you full of his cum, and he knows you do too
- Calls you “baby” or “baby girl/boy” 
- He usually isn’t that mean, as long as you let him fill you right up he’ll let you cum as many times as you want
- Spoils you with his cock all the time, but especially if you’ve been good
- Break his rules though and he’ll punish you accordingly
- Spanking, orgasm denial, it’s all on the table so you’d better obey daddy’s rules
- Especially if you pull something in front of other people, expect to either be fucked into the bed or edged for hours on end
- “Why don’t you scream a little louder, baby? Make sure everyone knows how good daddy is making you feel” 
Lee
- Now, Lee can be one of two things:
- The sweetest thing ever, making sure you feel good and being careful with you 
- Or, he can be super mean and edge you until your begging and crying for release
- When he’s in the latter mood you’d better be good and do as he says lest he leave you there
- Often times he’ll have you suck him off while he digs his boot into your crotch, he loves your pathetic little whines and how you’ll swallow every little drop
- Calls you his slut/whore 
- Will fuck you in front of a mirror and makes you look at your fucked out face while he stuffs his cock into you 
- Wear his jacket and it’s all over
- You won’t be walking for a while
- There are rare times when he just goes feral and just uses you like a cocksleeve 
- “Ah look at you, taking me in so well like a common whore. Is that what you are, commandant? A cute little cum dump for me?” 
Kamui
- Spoils you silly with his cock
- Of course this cute little retriver will let you do anything you want to him too
- He is a switch after all, though he does lean towards being a bottom 
- Slap him, choke him, be rough with him he doesn’t care
- He can take it, he just wants you to feel good 
- If you’ll let him, he’ll fuck you for hours on end, make you cum as many times as you want
- You want him to speed up? Sure thing. Want another orgasm? How about three?
- But if there’s one thing he loves it’s the risk of getting caught
- He’ll be under your desk in your office, where anyone could walk in, sucking you off/eating out your pussy while you tease him 
- Loves it when you wear his clothes too, especially if it’s just his jacket that’s too big for you while you don’t wear any underwear
- He likes to put his hand on your stomach because his cock makes a cute lil’ bulge
- Loves it if there’s a size difference
- “How am I doing, commandant?” 
Camu
- The muzzle stays on during sex
- Into petplay and a size difference
- Definitely likes leashes 
- Loves it when you ride him while you tug on his leash. You swear you hear him growl through his muzzle as you bounce up and down on him 
- Either grips your thighs or puts a hand where there’s a little bulge from his massive cock
- When he’s in charge though, boy things get rough
- Camu likes to pull the leash so hard that it’s choking you while he plows into you
- He’s like an animal in heat, fucking you until you both pass out
- You won’t be walking for a while 
- You don’t really get to have a say in when you guys do it, he’ll pull you aside at random times and just go at it in some random storage room or even at HQ when anyone could walk in
- Don’t worry, he’ll make quick work of you so that you can both return to work
- “You’ll keep my cum in that cute little hole of yours, right babe?” 
Chrome
- Vanilla bitch :/
- Very romantic and sweet at least
- Unless you do something about it, he’ll just be sort of plain
- Chrome likes it when you’re in charge, if you choose to be mean he’ll like it even more
- Really flustered at first but the more you do it the more he’s acting like a fucking slut for you
- Sometimes he’ll get all needy and bother you until you put him in his place
- Likes oral, giving or receiving but especially giving
- If you ever get impatient, just tug his hair a bit
- Seeing the usually calm and collected captain of Strike Hawk made a little whore for you is such a pretty sight. 
- Gets all whiny when you don’t let him cum
- What a fucking brat
- Why don’t you teach him a lesson?
- “Commandant, I’ve been good... promise”
Banji 
(idk if it’s banji or wanshi but the wiki says banji so...) 
- Somnophilia, consented of course (come on you all saw that coming) 
- Also fucking your thighs
- Service top
- Likes it when you tug his hair a bit 
- Ride him while he’s a bit sleepy, that will wake him right up
- Cock warming while you two fall asleep
- Lots of wet dreams about you, don’t be afraid to wake him up with a blowjob if you hear him moaning your name in his sleep
- “Mmmm... that feels nice commandant. Could you wake me up like that more often?”
Roland (pre fake ascension or whenever he becomes recruitable ig)
- Will fuck you in abandoned places
- Especially if there are corrupted nearby
- Tells you to stay quiet unless you want the corrupted to find you
- Teases you about not being able to keep your hands off him 
- Also one to edge you
- Likes it when you cry, either from too many orgasms or lack thereof 
- Likes to cum all over you face, teases you to make sure to get it all off before you go back to your squad
- Gets off to the idea of someone from Babylonia seeing the proud commandant of Gray Raven getting bent over by an ascendant
- Stalks you and pulls you aside on missions with other constructs for a quick fuck
- Especially if he thinks you’re getting a little too comfortable with someone
- Your his pathetic little cum slut, no one else gets to have you 
- “Yeah, like that commandant? Could that blonde fuck with the guns fuck you like I do? Huh? I can’t hear you baby, was that a yes? Do I not fuck you well enough?” 
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theminecraftbox · 2 years
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Do you think The Plan™️ still includes a place for Quackity despite Dream’s contempt for him? Or do you think Dream’s modified his goals with the “Knowledge” that behind the mask of decency Quackity wears, all there is is a being that exists to use and get off on the suffering of others?
“I said I wanted a big happy family. A Nephandus existing is not compatible with that goal.”
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This is something I keep returning to: what HAS Dream concluded about Quackity, and about his motives, and what does that mean for his plans?
On the one hand, I don’t think Dream changes his overall goals based on how he feels about people. He’s not primarily driven by revenge, to the point where he’s let Sam go despite what he did to him. On the other… Dream’s view of Quackity is warped to hell. He’s terrified of Quackity, traumatized, and has a low low low opinion of him. He has some difficulty talking about him directly. When he threatens Sam, it’s not with “torture” but with “Quackity.”
When Dream talks about Quackity’s motives to Quackity, he accuses him of sadism. But when he talks about Quackity’s motives to Sam, Dream says things like “financial benefit”, reviving JSchlatt, taking the power of the book for himself. He even says he’d also have done “everything” to try to get the book in Sam’s shoes, though he stops short of saying precisely what this means. He calls Quackity a sociopath and says Quackity doesn’t feel, but also talks about destroying all the people and places and things Quackity cares about. This is a very distinct accusation from calling Quackity sadistic!
And interestingly, categorizing him like this divorces Quackity from emotional reasoning, but not necessarily from the pragmatic reasoning Dream typically prefers. If anything, you’d think someone as relentlessly amoral as Dream would understand and appreciate what he’s calling “sociopathy”, ie the willingness to set aside all feeling in pursuit of a goal. Except in this case, Dream knows the goal is so personal. Except in this case, the means were so much more extreme than Dream ever imagined. (Except in this case, Dream saw Quackity ENJOYING the means.)
At what point did Dream realize how conflicted Quackity’s motivations were, between “get the book” and “make Dream suffer”, and just how much the one was intrinsic to the other? I’m positive that Dream tried to bargain with Quackity: made offers like, ‘look, you know I can’t give you the book itself, but I can swear to bring back anyone you want, whenever you want, please stop.’ When Quackity refused, it would become abundantly obvious that he didn’t just want the power, but also, critically, for Dream to not have the power. Quackity wanted Dream hurting and he wanted Dream DEAD and he was trying as hard as he possibly could to force Dream to let himself die; Dream was painfully aware of this.
Dream also seems to be genuine when he says he thinks Quackity would not have shared the knowledge with Sam, that he would have kept it to himself, which speaks to his low opinion of Quackity’s long-term goals. This also says something about how Dream views their business partnership—the power struggle there, and their mutual power struggle over Dream, and how Dream was acutely aware of himself as something they were to some degree fighting over. Dream had to remain constantly cognizant of that push and pull between the two people with power over his life and death.
So what’s this mean for the future? I don’t really know! Dream’s contempt for and terror of Quackity is unlike anything he feels for anyone else on the server. Even Sam, who certainly comes closest, has a lot of mitigating and complicating factors that Quackity lacks. Like Sam, Dream loathes him; like Sam, Dream will never trust him again, at all; like Sam, Dream now understands the depths to which he can sink. Unlike Sam, Dream doesn’t really have evidence of these crimes being directed against anyone other than Dream: does that make it better or worse?
I can’t imagine Dream doesn’t want to kill him at least once. I also won’t be surprised if Quackity’s one of the only people Dream wants completely dead (though I do think it’s notable that, even in his bullshit threats to Sam, Dream tells him he plans to imprison Quackity rather than kill him dead). The question is, what does Dream need from Quackity? From Sam, Dream needed the keys. What ulterior reason, unrelated to revenge and trauma, does Dream have to confront Quackity? If there’s none, will he invent one? This more than anything is going to determine the outcome, I think.
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Danganronpa - Review2002
Danganronpa is a mystery VN, where 15 high schoolers are trapped in a murder school, and in order to get out one has to kill another and frame somebody else for it. Observed and manipulated by the headmaster of the school, a sadistic robot-bear called Monokuma, our main character, Makoto, has to survive and not lose his hope. Because there is a lot of despair. And hope. Despair. Hope. Despair. Light. Darkness. Kingdom Hearts.
But we’ll talk about that later.
Despite all the murder thingy, the game is just an edgy shonen and is very animu. It’s not a bad thing, because it’s entertaining, and that’s what matters the most. Characters are mostly simplistic, often stereotypical, but are distinguish and memorable (aside from meh protag). What is good about the cast is how the group dynamics changes with each case. Thanks to that, the characters seem more alive, and the surrounding drama seems more impactful. And sometimes the drama is really good, though it’s dragged down by the meme writing. But about that later.
The trials, where we try to figure out the killer’s identities, are good gameplay-wise. Aside from the rhythm minigame. I get the creators wanted to demonstrate losing arguments by lack of confidence, but, until half of the game, that minigame had nothing to do with logic or deduction. Every other minigame was good or ok, though.
Comparing to Ace Attorney, the trials were more dynamic, with constant new arguments and questions. It helps that the equivalent of AA’s testimonies is briefer (as it’s on a time limit). Not to mention, the filled with moving camera direction really made non-animated and non-moving characters feel alive. The music was ok – it serves its purpose, but it isn’t memorable.
The gameplay between trials was ok. Investigations didn’t drag too long. The free time did sometimes, but that’s because I was collecting more coins than it was necessary. The coins are spent for presents, which we can give to other characters, in return for learning more about them and gaining upgrades for the trials. But, to be frank, some upgrades were “turn off the setting we put to make the gameplay purposefully shittier”.  
It’s an entertaining game with some good ideas, which earns 7/10 in my book. But there are reasons why this game doesn’t earn any higher, which I’m going to elaborate on. The subject is Kingdom Hearts Meme Writing, Monokuma being a letdown villain, the big revelation being a lot of nothing, and how the writers could’ve made the Hope vs Despair nonsense actually work. The last two are impossible to write about without spoilers, but I can explain the first two without them.
Despair. Despair. Despair. Despair. Do you get it? I hope.
I know this is a shonen, regardless how edgy it is, and the writers were pretty self-aware of this. But the despair/hope meme drags down the writing. Monokuma goes on and on about how he will turn all the hope into despair, and this is just as ridiculous as a talking cartoon bear that kills a man by literally blasting him into space can be. It’s a meme writing. A ham-fisted, forced meme writing.
Other examples of meme writing is Kingdom Hearts, with its light and darkness, or Ace Attorney, with its truth. We all roll our eyes over that. Characters are bringing up some concept in a melodramatic way, repeatably, with a ridiculous zeal that doesn’t just seem alien, but straight out autistic. But it’s okay, all those titles, including Ronpa, are still shonens. Kingdom Hearts is a battle shonen where you fight against forces of evil alongside Donald Duck. You can turn your brain off and enjoy yourself, no biggie. But turning your brain off is a bit harder in, you know, a murder mystery.
Yeah, Ace Attorney is murder mystery as well, and yet I give it a pass. That’s because “truth” is just an ideal of idealistic characters. Phoenix, Edgeworth, and the rest, are melodramatically motivating themselves by simplistically expressing their ideal. And  melodrama is part of a wrestling, and logic wrestling is what Ace Attorney boils down to. So, why this isn’t the same in this logic wrestling game?
The problem with hope/despair is that those are not just some concepts or ideals, but those are emotions. Emotions that the writing does attempt to make you feel, sometimes pretty successfully. Case 4 is an example of a beautifully set up tragedy, it’s the game’s emotional peak. The reveal is shocking and sad, and the dramatic confession is filled with genuine emotion. And then the confession has the word “despair” in it, and my brain is immediately going back to Monokuma and his antics. Good thing that the official translation team has realized that they would have killed the mood sooner, if they had included that word in an earlier appearing evidence. Same thing happens whenever the word “hope” appears – it just makes us recall the memes.
In my AI: Somnium Files I’ve explained to you the need of being explicit about what is supposed to make the player feel emotions. But you can’t be ham-fisted about what the player is supposed to feel. Turning hope and despair into KH’s equivalent of light and darkness is turning them into a material for jokes. It is a repeatable telling us what to feel, and that simply can’t work. If the game didn’t do that, a lot of good moments wouldn’t be dragged down by being a reference to something we joke about.
Monokuma is just the biggest kid tier villain
There are spoiler reasons why Monokuma fails at being a villain, but I’ll mention them in spoiler section about improving the whole hope vs despair conflict. But the basic problem with Monokuma is spoiler-free, because it all boils down to the game’s initial setup.
Generally, Monokuma is a recurring type of villain that mixes nihilism, cartoonish silliness and cruel sadism into one, disturbing package. Other examples of such villains is the Joker, or Killer the Butcher from Zambot 3. When you look at Monokuma alone, he is (aside from spoiler reasons) a good example of such a villain. He is over the top, entertaining, scheming, memorable, gets all the attention in every scene he is in, and is constantly disturbing. All his bases are covered, so all is good, right? But only when you look at Monokuma alone.
Character in a story isn’t just some element you can look at alone, it’s an element you see among all the others. Great villain needs a great hero. Great hero needs a great villain. If one is unimpressive, the other can’t impress us with their triumphs.
The reason why the Joker is a great villain is because he is a challenge for the goddamn Batman, creating a clash of an unstoppable force against an unmovable object. Killer the Butcher’s enemies are kids piloting alien giant robot with superior firepower. What makes the Bucher a good villain is that, regardless of his lost battles, he still succeeds at causing significant collateral damage, which constantly contributes to his stated goal of slowly killing all humans. And Butcher doesn’t just rely on his show reaching logical conclusions about consequences of battles between giant robots, the entire arc before heroes directly attacking his HQ is about him using a weapon they can’t fight with a giant robot – kidnapped people turned into living human bombs. The amount of sacrifices, losses and traumas that kids from a 70s (!) super robot show have to go through is why Killer the Butcher is an impressive villain you love to hate.
But Monokuma isn’t an unstoppable force going against an unmovable object. Neither he is battling heroes that are capable of beating him in a direct confrontation, forcing him to rely on different forms of accomplishing his goals. He targets fifteen uninformed kids, with like three giving him a reason to worry, and puts them in a situation where they can’t initially defy him at all. It’s not a spoiler to say that the kids initially can’t find any clues that would’ve allowed them to free themselves from Monokuma. Their exploration of the school is limited, and next areas are unlocked only after class trials. Meaning, Monokuma limits kids’ ability to gather information required to beat him, until the next killing occurs. If the kids don’t kill anybody, they can only hope to (hah) apathetically accept their imprisonment by Monokuma.
To sum it up, all that Monokuma accomplishes is making some confused kids kill one another, when they are in a situation where it’s their only option to free themselves. Wow, what an impressive villain, doing whatever he wants with helpless children and driving them to murder.
It doesn’t help that the actual conclusion of the conflict with Monokuma is underwhelming, and all his actions only make us respect him less as a villain. But more about that later, in the spoiler section. But not immediately, because first we need to focus on the game’s disappointing big revelation.
Who cares that the world is over?
All attempts to escape the murder school were pointless – the world has already ended! Play the laugh track.
To give the writers credit, Genocide Jill’s explanation of that was funny and played out as a dark joke. And that’s the only way this revelation could be played out.
When it comes for the twist being a twist, it’s okeyish. The twist itself isn’t hard to guess, by the end of the first trial, and it’s almost given away by the third one. On the other side, there are photos of kids that died in previous chapters, and you could wonder if they aren’t going to reveal that everybody lives and this all was a simulation, or something. It can be easily guessed, but there is room for speculation, and you may not know which route the writers will go. Even if those routes are “predictable” and “a disappointing backpedal”.
But even if you end up being surprised… it’s an emotional bunch of nothing. Makoto gets his answer to what could’ve happened to his family, and he still doesn’t even realize it. That’s how the writing poorly handled one way it could’ve made us care about end of the world – through Makoto’s reaction to it.
Makoto is such an uninteresting, purposefully average, and ultimately unimpressive main character. We know he has family, parents, and a younger sister, but one picture of them is all we got. We don’t know the dynamics of their relationship, and we don’t know why Makoto loves them. Just saying “they are his family” isn’t enough. When Superman and his family are written well, we know why Clark Kent cares deeply about them – Ma Kent is such a great mother, Pa Kent is such a great father, and each scene with them demonstrates it.
Through the game, Makoto could’ve flashbacks to his family, as an ongoing C plot. That way we would’ve been shown why Makoto cares about them, why he wants to make sure they are safe, why he could feel tempted about escaping via murder (leading to him rejecting that idea because his family wouldn’t want it that way). And then boom – yes, the world has ended, and they are probably dead.
But Makoto never ever connects the state of the world to the state of his family. And that’s a big mistake, because that was a way to spice up the ultimate clash between Hope and Despair.
How to argue that Despair can be better than Hope
Before I focus on the topic, let me first expand on the topic of Monokuma being a disappointing villain, by telling you why Junko is a disappointing villain.
Junko just pulls everything out of her ass. Ok, she happens to have a super soldier sister, who was capable of killing Academy’s entire adult staff, letting her to take over the school. This part is acceptable by shonen standards. It was the Acadamy that was responsible for sealing the building and setting its defense, ok. But then everything else is an unexplained bullshit. Endless Monokumas? She has them because the writer says so. Ability to take away memories? She has them because the writer says so. Hijacking all TV channels? Performing ridiculously complex executions? Securing supplies to the Academy in a post-apo setting? She can because the writers says so.
She simply isn’t a formidable villain. She is nothing more than a bored girl, that could’ve been successful as a normal person, but the entire universe decided to grant her everything to let her play a supervillain. She doesn’t accomplish any impressive feat by herself. Even taking over of the Academy was solely thanks to her sister. With her granted unfair total advantage over the cast, there was no other way for her to lose than keeping screwing herself. She can’t even gain respect as a formidable opponent from sticking to her rules, because she not only purposefully handicaps the most competent person in the cast, but also keeps breaking her own rules.
The second aspect of a good villain is understandability. And Junko is a stupid incomprehensible mess. She always feels despair, and that somehow makes her constantly bored. But she wants to prove that’s better than hope. For some reason, she is a sadist. She is also happy about facing ultimate despair in form of her own death, but she didn’t yearn to that enough to off herself before all her plans. Nothing adds up, and she just does whatever crazy shit the writers needs her to do at the current moment. This is the aspect where she just sucks as a Joker-type villain. Such villains, when done well, aren’t just twisted, wrong, crazy edgemasters. When done well, they are also, despite everything, still somehow understandable. That’s what makes them actually shocking. It isn’t just shocking that they do horrible things, it is shocking that they can argue that everything they do serves a purpose and is consistent with a coherent belief.
Joker (when written well) and Killer the Butcher do have nihilistic philosophy that is wrong and twisted, but does have some shocking points. Joker believes that normal life is pointless, because one bad day can drive you mad, so it’s better to embrace awfulness of the world as your entertainment. And this philosophy is consistent with him wanting to commit macabre crimes. Killer the Butcher believes that humans are ungrateful bastards and will even treat their saviors like crap. And this philosophy is consistent with him wanting to kill all humans. Even if you don’t agree with their believes (I hope), you understand why somebody with such believes would be doing what they are doing. This understandability is what elevates banal conflict against a bad guy that does a bad thing that has to be stopped, into a conflict against a personified idea. Batman doesn’t just fight the Joker, he fights a nihilistic view of a pointless mad world. Zambot 3 kids don’t just fight Killer the Butcher, they fight view of humans as unworthy of living and being saved. That is why those conflicts aren’t banal.
Meanwhile, Junko makes a big promise for a Hope vs Despair conflict, arguing that the latter is better than former, but...
What is “despair” anyway? Is it to give up from stuff like escaping the school, and accepting whatever you end up having, however shitty it is? But what does it have with Junko’s boredom and embracing her own death? What is the point of the over-the-top executions? Junko is gleefully sadistic, what about despair makes you sadistic? Did she want the cast and her viewers to embrace sadism as well?  How’s that better than hope? It’s incomprehensible, and fails to make any point. The blame lies pretty much on the out-of-place sadism that exists just to make Junko an edgelady.
Danganronpa is a murder mystery. And despite being an over-the-top shonen, it does focus, decently, on motives for committing murders. Every single killer in this game is understandable. Their actions were wrong, but you understand why they did everything they did. There is just a sole exception to this rule – the games’ main villain.
During the final confrontation, Junko was arguing that futile hopes of previous murderers drove them to committing murder. That alone does make a good point. Then she offered everyone safe peaceful life, if they acknowledged her belief and abandoned all hope. Ok, that’s a good dilemma. Surprising that with such a good prepared dilemma Junko bothered to handicap and eliminate Kyoko, when she could just guide the cast towards Junko and this dilemma faster. Still, Junko does make a point about despair being better than hope, and does make the cast face a dilemma, in a way that is consistent with her belief. But then she adds she wants to punish someone for lulz, and that person has to be our bland player character.  
And how killing Makoto proves that despair is better than hope? It was a yet another act of Junko’s pointless sadism, which only made it more difficult for other characters to agree with her. Anyway, Junko is ultimately unimpressive, because she loses to Makoto just saying “let’s have some hope, guys”. All that buildup of understandable motives of past killers lead to a rather banal final conflict with a completely banal resolution.
Things would be different, if Junko didn’t forget about Makoto’s family and did bring them up during the final argument. I still think that trying to kill Makoto was counterproductive, but I understand the need of putting MC’s life at stake. But Junko could single out Makoto for execution because he was pushing for the idea of everyone leaving the school, despite the revelation about state of the world, and she could accuse him for selfishly risking lives of others, just for a hope of reunion with his own family. Imagine that being the payoff of flashbacks to Makoto’s family and his wish to reunite with them. Sure, here, Makoto has proved he wouldn’t directly murder anybody over it, but would he willingly disregard safety of others? He can’t really refute that, without giving up on leaving the school.
And that’s how Junko could undermine Makoto and make her point. Living trapped in the school and abandoning all hope for the outside world was bad, but it could be worse. At least it was safe, peaceful, and they had food plus entertainment. Looking for anything better outside was risky. Hoping for anything better was risky. Hope was bad. The state of despair, where you no longer hope for anything better than what you have, was good. Unable to accept this Makoto was spreading ideas that were dangerous for the well-being of others. How Makoto, willing to selfishly drag everyone else into a dangerous hell-word and risk their lives, was that much different from every other killer? Sure, they killed others directly, but at least none of their victims had a slow and painful death. Makoto was willing to potentially doom others to that. And this is why he had to be put down, like all the other killers had to be, regardless of their understandable motives. In the current state of the world, any reckless hope is a dangerous thought crime.
Here, the final debate could be more complex. Makoto could’ve pointed out that, even if he could be accused for having a selfish hope, it was the same with others. Everyone else wanted their situation to improve, and giving that up for hollow safety wouldn’t do. Hope is better than despair, freedom is better than safety. The future of post-apo is libertarian, and if we can’t live with the freedom to pursue our hopes, then we won’t live at all. No more lockdowns!
You don’t have to agree with such a statement, but at least it is some statement. Here, we have a clash of hope that accepts the risk against despair that is unwilling to accept any risks. Unlike what we got, where despair is somehow tied to sadism, and hope simply rides on the power of friendship.
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Movie Review | Color Me Blood Red (Lewis, 1965)
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When I'd first watched Herschell Gordon Lewis' Blood Feast, that pioneering splatter film, I'd considered it one of the worst movies I'd ever seen. Over the years, I was willing to grant that my opinion may have been coloured by my lack of exposure to exploitation movies, and when I revisited it a few years ago, I didn't exactly like it but was willing to concede that it had enough interesting qualities to merit a viewing. Soon after, I watched Two Thousand Maniacs!, his skewering of southern hospitality, and while I thought it had been bettered by the films it inspired, I found it mean and energetic enough to enjoy. I had mixed reactions to his subsequent splatter films (enjoying the cheerful sadism of The Gore Gore Girls but finding The Wizard of Gore interminable). I also started getting the sense that Lewis was kind of a hack, so for years I'd held off on watching the third film of the "Blood Trilogy", Color Me Blood Red, about an artist who uses the blood of his victims for his paintings. (If this sounds an awful lot like Roger Corman's A Bucket of Blood, Lewis has copped to the influence.) But hell, while I'm stuck at home with my viewing standards significantly lowered (not sure if you're aware, but there is a pandemic raging right now), I figured I'd finally give this a shot. Worst case scenario, I waste eighty or so minutes.
It's tempting to read something personal into the story of thoroughly unappreciated artist who only gets attention when he starts incorporating extreme violence into his work, but everything I've read about Lewis suggests that his motivations were entirely commercial, and I'm not sure he really sells the main character's arc. (It's also hard to reconcile any notions of Lewis as a serious artist with the wealth of water-bike footage, which reeks of obvious runtime padding and product placement. But hey, check out those sweet water-bikes!) It does help however that the movie matches the belligerence of the thoroughly unappealing protagonist, who spends much of the movie doing the Kubrick face (head lowered, glowering above) so that it's a shock when you realize he in fact has a terrible mustache. (In this respect it also helps that Gordon Oas-Heim, the actor playing him, has none of the likability of Dick Miller, the lead in A Bucket of Blood.) He also garners some empathy as most of his victims are inconsiderate fucks who decide to use his private property for their leisure without asking. How would you feel if somebody started sunbathing in your front yard? Or found your vehicle unattended and took it for a joy ride?
Aside from a handful of moments (a shot of a victim having been disemboweled, another of the maggot-covered face of a rotting corpse), this lacks the relatively imaginative violence of Blood Feast and Two Thousand Maniacs!, although the bold red colour of the blood gives the violence enough visual interest. Audience expectations are further subverted after the movie introduces two thoroughly annoying beatnik types but fails to kill them off or when it repeatedly raises the possibility of T&A only to quash it immediately. (Lewis had stopped directing nudie cuties at this point after the market dried up.) Lewis shoots the proceedings in bright, comic strip colours, so that the movie has a distinct look even when his visual style remains pretty rudimentary. This is a movie that benefits heavily from being seen in a nice transfer (available on Tubi or from Arrow Video) as I imagine the colours didn't pop quite as strongly on the tattered prints it likely played in back in the drive-in days (and probably not on TV either, judging from the time I saw Blood Feast on cable). It does however make it more noticeable when the camera isn't in focus (which happens enough times to affect the movie's overall visual character).
Did I enjoy this? Yeah, more or less. Has Lewis as a director changed in my esteem as a result? Not really.
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How do you think Jason's relationship with Cass and Steph would be like? I mean canon already shows us (depending on the writter) that Jason has a friendly relationship with Barbara but it does not show much on his relationship with the other batgirls.
Well, I thinking ‘friendly’ is over-stating Jason and Barbara’s relationship a little, but I digress.
Okay first, Cassandra. I’ve seen people argue that Cass would hate Jason because he kills and I’ve seen people insist they would be like best friends. I think a lot of their relationship hinges on whether or not Jason is killing people at the time, but I don’t think Cass would ever hate Jason or call him an enemy.
Cassandra would empathize with Jason, would see his pain and the emotions behind his actions. I believe that she would see that Jason’s motives for most of the things he does, especially those things the bats don’t approve of, are not based on selfishness, madness, sadism or any of the other things that the other bats occasionally accuse him of, but rather most of his actions are based out of fear and an earnest desire to protect. Cassandra recognizes that Jason is not in need of lectures/punishment for the vast majority of mistakes he makes, but of empathy and acceptance. Furthermore, because Cass cares about Bruce so much, she recognizes that the broken relationship between them is painful for Bruce, and she is vested in mending that relationship.
So basically, if Jason is still killing, Cass would not see him as an enemy, but a fallen brother-in-arms, someone who is fighting the same crusade she is, and who used to wear the same symbols she idolizes, but who has been hurt so much that he’s turned away from the path out of fear. She would want to ‘save’ Jason, both for herself and for Bruce. Unlike the other bats, she would probably work with Jason without question and trust him without issues, because she can see that his heart is in the right place and because she knows he was Robin once and Cass holds the bat/bird-symbols to be almost sacred–in her eyes, no one who was ever one of them could ever truly be bad, that would be an impossibility in her mind. However, if Jason tried to kill someone she would absolutely stop him. If he somehow managed to get away with killing someone in her presence, she would definitely be angry, and probably question herself and her beliefs, but I think she’d still forgive him after some time to grieve.
As for Jason, because she has killed before and it obviously affected her adversely, he would respect Cassandra’s vow not to kill, but wouldn’t put up with her trying to make him stop or trying to get him to reconcile with Bruce. He’d admire her pure motives and beliefs, but ultimately think she’s really naive and even childish to think she can always find a way without killing, or that just because she’s borderline-superhuman and can maybe do that, that others who don’t have that same ability should also abide by her rules. I think Cass is a bit of a shallow-thinker in some ways, she deals with the problem in front of her and thinks about the consequences later. She sees a gun pointed at someone, she tries to stop someone from being shot–whether that person surviving means they kill other people is a whole separate issue to her, but to Jason they are connected intrinsically, they are direct cause and effect. Thinking about whether it would be better if that person was dead is secondary to the issue of that person being killed for Cassandra but that kind of thinking is just wrong and childish to Jason.
But that aside, assuming Jason reconciles with the family and stops killing, I think Jason and Cassandra are the type to not appear especially close from the outside but who have a lot more mutual respect and shared moments than people might expect. Jason is an introvert. As such, he is easily overwhelmed by social interaction, especially if the encounter is outside his control, and when that happens he lashes out and gives people a reason to leave him alone or for him to leave. Cass and his relationship would be pretty good I think because she can tell when he is becoming overwhelmed and would leave him alone or help to extricate him from whatever situation he is in when that happens (like she’d distract other family members so he could slip away, give people false information about where he is so he could avoid them, etc.)
Cass herself is more of an extrovert though, and she would probably feel the need to push him to interact even when he doesn’t want to on occasion, but mostly it doesn’t backfire on her, because if nothing else she isn’t loud/chatty about it. Cass and Jason are also both very hands-on people, they enjoy physical activities, though Jason also enjoys the kinds of quiet, intense things Cass finds difficult, like reading, history, art, contemplation, etc and I think she would admire that about him, that he can do both. And Jason would like that interest and want to share that with her, but her lack of attention span would keep it from being something they did very often.
The things they would do often together are taking rides together, racing, sparring, and Jason reading to her or cooking for her. Rarer things might be her reading to him, them teaching each other things (maybe Jason teaching her cooking, her teaching him sign language?), going out to public events, watching movies at home. They aren’t like joined at the hip, but there is camaraderie and respect there. Like, others would think they barely know each other, because they never really see them together doing much but maybe sitting together quietly, but they could predict each others actions/reactions to things with like 100%, they aren’t the type that have to constantly hang out to maintain their friendship. Between them, they are both very good at reading people–Cass is amazing at recognizing emotions in others and Jason is good at predicting/interpreting thoughts and motives (that’s one of his problems sometimes, he makes assumptions about what others are thinking, usually negative, and doesn’t give them a chance to prove him right), so they manage to ‘get’ each other more than almost anyone else does. That doesn’t mean they always get along or they always agree, but that ‘why did he/she do that? What was he/she thinking?’ is never really an issue.
As for Steph, Jason and her have so much in common, similar background, similar issues with Bruce, similar personalities and even fighting styles. I think Jason would see himself in her right away. They are the type who would either love or hate each other, no in between.
The issue of Jason killing would definitely be a problem with Steph. She doesn’t condone killing any more than Cassandra does. Honestly? I think he would try to recruit her away from the bats like he did to Mia Dearden and Scarlet. It probably wouldn’t work, Steph isn’t as jaded as Jason is, she still thinks she can change things without resorting to killing. Stephanie would probably actively dislike Jason, and even if he gave up killing and rejoined the family, she would be suspicious of him until he proved himself to her. But I think even if Jason thinks her idea that Gotham still has any hope of changing without someone putting down the rogues is naive and ignorant, he’d still admire her courage a lot and would actively back her up in most situations. He’d want to help her be a better vigilante, teach her things, not put her down or tell her to go home, like so many have in the past (i.e. Bruce and Tim).
In this way Jason would eventually win her over. Even in situations where Tim would probably be on Bruce’s side, Jason would be on hers and would probably try to step in the way and take the heat off her (since he’s such a target for Bruce’s lectures anyway). At first she might be annoyed about this as if Jason thinks she can’t protect herself, but when she realized it wasn’t manipulation or some demeaning sense of chivalry–he just honestly thinks she is right–it would mean so much to her.
Once Stephanie warmed up to him, she would take it upon herself to interact with him more. She is definitely an extrovert and she would actively invite him to things and interrupt his alone time to bother him. Since she and Cass are best friends, they would probably do this together often and try to drag him off to places. Jason would hate this the vast majority of the time, and try to actively sneak way. Whether Cass helps Jason or Stephanie is completely based on if she thinks Jason can take the social interaction or not. If she does, she isn’t going to give Jason any breaks and let him brood or hole-up, she will hunt him down and drag him off like a prisoner to whatever Stephanie is planning. If she doesn’t, she’s going to nudge Stephanie into giving up and doing something else.
One thing I think they would be able to bond on a lot is school. Jason likes to study, read and learn. Steph will notice him reading so much and take advantage of this. Jason will be proofreading all of her essays and reports for college as soon as she realizes he’s a wiz at reading comprehension/writing, and will probably try to get him to read her textbooks and do worksheets and such for her too when she’s swamped. Jason would grumble but probably help and she would be one of the first people to see that he is interested in higher education but has lingering self-doubt and encourage him to just go for it.
Also I don’t think Steph is big on personal space or ‘alone time’. I headcanon Jason is a great cook and she would also take advantage of this as often as she could get away with, dropping in unexpectedly all the time to the point it would drive Jason crazy. She is used to people who don’t talk much (Cass) so she’s unusually good at holding one-sided conversations and doesn’t push people to talk if they don’t want to but on occasion she might still push Jason to socialize more than he wants to and get blown up at, but she would confront Jason about that and not give him long to beat himself up over it, and since she actually listens they would figure things out fairly quickly. All in all, once Jason managed to win Stephanie over, nowhere is safe for him, he will find himself being dragged everywhere, shopping, cafes, events, school stuff, dropping in  on him and hanging out without warning. Possibly even against Jason’s will, they would be very close.
If/when Jason began killing and left the family again, both of the girls would be pretty devastated. Cass would be bent on getting him to come back and Steph would probably be angry and feel duped and betrayed and even grieve him as if he was dead at first. Cass would convince Steph to help her ‘get him back’ though and she’d come around to the idea that he hadn’t been trying to hurt her, but he was himself hurt and needed to be ‘saved’. And I think once she came to that idea she’d be extremely determined and stubborn about it. Jason wouldn’t stand a chance against them both.
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How similar/different are first and starscream?
I'm answering for Ghidorah in general instead of just Ichi because aside from "happens to be in charge of two subordinates" I don't think Ichi has any traits not shared with Ni and San worth comparing/contrasting with Starscream.
All jokes about "Ghidorah is the REAL Starscream of the movie because he's actually trying to overthrow a leader" aside—being serious, I don't think that similar. They're both destructive sadistic winged villains with nasty attitudes who are threatening Earth. Beyond that, the main motives that drive them as characters are very different.
Starscream's character is primarily driven by hunger for power. He wants to be king of the hill. Power, and self-preservation: the only thing that will stop him from pursuing power is the fear of being punished for the effort. That will usually make him cool his jets—momentarily. But it always turns back to wanting to lead. Any destruction he causes—and he DOES cause a lot of destruction—is either on orders, or as an idle whim. Sadism and destruction are his hobbies, not the things that drive him. Hunger for power drives him.
Conversely, I don't think Ghidorah cares about power at all—his character is driven by hunger for destruction. He just wants to watch the world burn. In his quest for destruction, he takes command of the other titans, yes—but it seems mainly to be a means to an end. He seizes control of them to use them to destroy faster. Despite all the talk of "alphas" and "false kings," I didn't get the impression that he had any interest in power except insofar as it helped him burn down the world faster. And he also lacks Starscream's cowardly streak. When confronted with enemies, even his most powerful enemy—potentially the one that iced him—his first instinct isn't to run away, or even to flinch with fear before choosing to fight. He charges right into battle. To be fair, we've never seen him in a battle he didn't think he was going to win, up until Godzilla kicked his ass before he had a chance to even TRY to flee, so sure, it's possible he DOES have a hidden cowardly streak we didn't get an opportunity to see? But I doubt it. If faced with a battle he was uncertain he'd win, I think there's a good chance he'd charge into it with twice the fury. Self-destruction in pursuit of destruction. Seems fitting.
So yeah nah Ghidorah and Starscream don't have terribly similar personalities at all.
... All that said though, anyone who says "Rodan is Starscream" is still factually incorrect, and this is a hill I will die on.
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Bifurcation
A part of Angstmas 2017.
The silhouetted figures embrace, a hug of reassurance and solidarity. A few quiet words exchanged, a shoulder squeezed and a kiss given upon a brown-curled brow. One chuckles, echoed shortly after by the other, and tears of uncertainty are dried with a careful hand and the edge of a well-loved sweater sleeve. The pair separate, a few final words checking if aid is still needed before the one is left alone in the cramped, brightly-tiled bathroom.
She hunches over, a few tears falling before she steels herself. Words meant to fool her own spirit are muttered, barely loud enough that she could hear them herself. Then the cap is replaced on the pregnancy test after it is wrapped in a tissue and discarded.
The girl, the woman barely graduated from school, stands and rejoins her brother.
A season passes. The snow withdraws from its hold, the ground sprouts clear and green with the fresh smell of life and the calls of newborns in the trees and scattered patches of wilderness among encroaching suburbs.
A rickety pickup truck sits outside of a small health clinic. Within, the tests they can perform are rudimentary, but ominous. A doctor smiles, the expression carefully neutral to avoid giving the impression of the situation being either hopeless or a laughably trivial matter. A pamphlet is passed to a quietly shaking hand, a question asked in barely a whisper and the calm voice returns to answer.
The man behind her has a hand on her shoulder; gentle, there for reassurance and solidarity rather than control. The doctor has seen partners with whitened grips on captured limbs, smiles serving as a mask over sadism while the meaningless words floating between both parties play into the illusion that nothing is wrong. Calls were made afterwards, always, as much as her oath and the written and unwritten code of ethics she holds permits, but nothing is assured.
The similarity of faces is obvious, noted the moment she saw them. It is unremarked upon, a kindness in a trying time. The concerns outlined mentioned the unspoken transgression, in passing rather than emphasis but causing flinches of guilt regardless. The doctor keeps her smile the same without additional effort: their transgression is mild, a drop in an ocean and nothing compared to the buckets and waves of shattered lives she saw in the faces, bruises, scars, diagnostics, the chorus of tales skin and form could tell.
The pamphlet is exchanged, and thanks in much the same fashion follow a moment later, before the appointment concludes. Waiting in the empty room, the doctor closes her eyes and offers a brief message of hope for the couple who just left; it has never hurt to do so before, and so words are offered without reply for health and grace.
Another season crosses, the burst of life having passed and the heat of the midsummer baking moisture into humidity and passions into furies. Words had been exchanged the night before, bodies had slept in separate rooms as they had multiple days in the weeks before. Still, when a discomfort is felt, an excited shout is yelled, and another sleep is broken asunder, embraces and whispered words of excitement are passed as clothes are hurriedly donned.
The smell of antiseptic stings more than the fluorescent lights, and the bouts of pain press patience to and through the point of breaking. A plea is made, a vial is summoned, a syringe readied, and the partner speaks worries, his voice filled with figures and facts building blocks of an argument of a danger he has learned of through dead trees and dried ink. Her pain and fury scatter the argument aside, her eyes flashing with threats implied and spoken, and her peace is administered as a stifling silence saturates the room.
Hours pass, the moon’s flaring brilliance over their arrival having vanished, and an awakening comes thrice. FIrst in the form of a sound of pain and effort and the cries of new life experiencing existence, secondly in the form of the dawnlight lancing through the windows and purging shadows and slumber from all present, and lastly another cry, joining the first in protest and excitement and pain and joy.
The nurses and doctors and studied hands who aid and clean the infants and mother exchange glances, quiet murmurs, estimates, and pass them to the mother. A look of shock and fear and love as she embraces an infant to either bosom, a nurse assisting cleaning as milk spills out of cleft lips, a gentle hand stroking a head anxiously with a single finger as the remaining digits support the too-large skull.
The man remains quiet, learned patience overwhelming and silencing vindication, but the feeling remains: this was predicted, possible, and countless disagreements had just been ruled upon in a pair of tiny heartbeats.
The woman is silent as well; there is some cooing, murmurs, reassurances as unpracticed lips lose a teat and begin to sputter and cry, but there are also glances towards the other looming silence, towards figures she had dismissed and scenarios she had counted as little more than dark fantasies. Worse is the gnawing guilt, as she looks upon the two figures at her bosom and feels a flicker of what she has read, heard, anticipated feeling. She hugs the newborns close, but it a reassurance intended for her alone.
Another season passes, and then another. Leaves redden and fall, the air grows brisk, and drifts accumulate both inside and without. Stacks of gifts and well-wishes, cards and nappies and clothes and toys, counterbalance the piles of leaves in wind-teased heaps. Those stacks fade, replaced by drifts of snow scraped to clear paths in continual defiance of threatening skies, while the drifts within disperse and are replaced by the white and cruel black of letters, statements, invoices, payments.
The white growth within and without are equally gentle at first, before becoming suffocating heaps. A heap of white without leads to an argument, following a play date that yields damp and chills from insufficient protection from the elements; a heap of white within leads to another bout, words exchanged in matching crescendos until the cries of fear or hunger or both from the babes splits and freezes the discussion for a later muttered resolution that evening.
Afterwards, truths are realized, their clear necessity visible to both as plainly as the clear toxicity it will render upon their bond. Words are exchanged to clarify suspicions, to sharpen arguments in readiness, and to maintain the everyday facade they maintain for strangers and for each-other.
Within her eyes, he has seen separation. Her spark for him has faded, from exhaustion and frustration and the grinding wear of the needs on the body the infants have wrought; her mind is tired, her body is tired, and remaining in this place, in this function, is akin to becoming an automaton of flesh. Her creative spirit, her explorative mind, feels locked behind expectations she never asked for, never expected. She is tired, and seeking whatever release may come.
Within his eyes, she has seen frustration. His spark for her is a pale flicker compared to the inferno for their children; while mended in body, he carries and rarely speaks of his fears for the safety of their minds. Her dissociation weighs on him, and weighs on the youngling twins; his mind forms another fortress of preparations, of connections, building upon thousands of facts and figures from hundreds of sources and speakers as well as the memories of great-uncles left abused and broken by parental infighting. He is worried, and believes a barrier of separation will ensure the greatest stability for the most minds.
The juncture occurs, the flashpoint: the cause is forgettable, inconsequential, but nevertheless serves to ground thunderbolts that spill forth from their mouths, tears of sorrow and truthful release and unhindered rage mingling freely, two wailing forms forgotten and ignored as the storm rages on a cloudless winter evening. After long hours filled with flashes of white-hot fury and long rumbling silences of reflection and re-arming, the storm passes, taking with it a pair of bonded sparks.
Gradually the winter is broken, the snow melts away, the bills do the same, and an equilibrium is achieved. It is an armistice, as much spoken and calmly agreed upon in words as it is unwritten and known by both to be a temporary truce.
A final few arrangements are made, and the existence of the storm is cautiously released from the boundaries of their shared roof. Words pour in, forming support, forming factions, but it is a buzz that blends with other words; the factions are unneeded, their readiness to do battle in the name of their pledged liege appreciated but pointless.
An agreement is made, and meetings are had as the daffodils bloom. Quiet words are exchanged in rooms made of dark mahogany, the smell of age and of aging books filled with precedent complementing the neutral pleasantness of the adjudicator. A contract is made, the drafting made rare by the lack of rancor the lawyer’s chambers have seen all too often before.
The resemblance of the two is noted upon after some cross-referencing afterwards, some traipsing down open but dusty and disused routs into near-forgotten servers, filled with images, tales, and words exchanged publicly. It was all before a relationship bloomed, one that called for the utmost secrecy, but the puzzle pieces are easy enough to assemble and get a clear picture of the current result.
The lawyer makes no mention of this; it is for their own curiosity, informing the motivations of both parties, and nothing more.
A signature is made by both individuals, and an invisible thing is slain in doing so. The man takes the last load of belongings into a van, newly purchased and still a fresh reminder of what an invisible thing that was thought to be invulnerable.
Words are exchanged, quietly, and a hug and kiss upon a cheek. The infants, still restricted to crawling through the world, are taken to the van and placed within. Their cries of worry and confusion draw tears from their parents; explanations have been made to them of the arrangements, but it is an unclear thing in many ways to the parents even now.
An hour elapses, the sun shifts overhead, the afternoon cools from warm to the hint of a chill, and the equilibrium is established. Hands and feet explore a new apartment, one they have visited before only in brief, introductory trips. They will return to the home, but not before they stride across a living room unassisted on wobbling and uncertain steps. A single breath is taken in and released from the quiet and echoing home, and a feeling like a weight is removed as the silence falls.
Mirrored across dozens of miles, two forms slump back-to-back against a threshold door. A tear forms and falls from each for what was lost, and then breaths are taken in as each remembers the equilibrium and its reason for being.
As the new normality takes root below, two unseen and bonded sparks continue their dances above the trees and into the stars above.
Prompt from an Anon: Maybe this is on the side of too cruel, but you know how in most stories when they have a kid everything magically works out? Well...what if it didn't? Would their relationship survive such a tragedy?
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Jewels of Truth Meme and Statements of Channeled Angelic Wisdom
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Hi All, I'm glad to be finally making a post here at "Atrayo's Oracle". As many of you know I'm the lone caregiver to my mother who has Parkinson's dementia. Well, this past Monday morning after having a nightmare she fell out of bed and fractured her upper leg. Her surgery at the hospital was a success and she is recovering as of right now and will be going to a physical rehab locale shortly. So I can use all prayers for her health and any extra sent my way as her caregiver. I would appreciate it. Namaste. Today I'll be doing a smaller entry with 4 channeled angelic wisdom statements of the "Jewels of Truth" series. The first is a bold meme on the topic of Humanity. (an excerpt from #2450) The next ones are both on Metaphysics from a Mystical Big Picture perspective. (#806B & #807B respectively of the social media shorthand series.) Those two are recently channeled from March 12th on my Facebook and Instagram @atrayo1 profile pages. Where I post at least once a week with new channeled spiritual wisdom material. Lastly, there's a dicey statement topic on Lust as #2610 (of the longhand series) which delves into the lack of moderation with lust is destructive. Although towards the end of the statement it does go progressive and not so puritan in sexual orientation values. That may be controversial to some and common sense to many others so be forewarned. Many Blessings to each of you in your sacred spiritual growth in life. Amen.
Humanity:
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Metaphysics: 807B) Calling All Angels we upon Creation are living a karmic self-fulfilling prophecy we call life and death by sheer contrasts. To God the Blessed Creator via Original Enlightenment there is no good, neutrality, and evil. It is all Supremely One to Him. To us, it is by our creation and response by choice. Amen.  ---Ivan Pozo-Illas / Atrayo. 806B) In every age humanity fumbles to describe the totality of life as each generation encounters it sincerely. In so being humanity makes declarative statements that life must be one way only and never the other. Such immaturity of character reveals the naive truth of ourselves as a younger species evolving within eternity.
Life may be infinite in countless modalities of self-interest to each its host phenomena of self-determination as a whole. With this basic principle at the onset, humanity divides itself from reality in numerous expressions. Some better than others in comprehension albeit in terms of our mutual God-given divinity things do not appear as they are presented.
Appearances cloud motivations and so forth and in our solemn metaphysical roles there are no distinctions as to the Angelic Image and Likeness of God the Creator upon us all as One. As a young barbaric earthbound species, we divide ourselves from justice and injustice. In this, we purposely choose to experience the contrast of influences by means of endless reincarnations with lifetimes after endless lifetimes throughout eternity.
Our divinity in paradise views all of this in utmost simplicity where there is not just good, or just neutrality, or just evil each with its consequential alternatives. By means of our multi-dimensional souls in the likeness of God, it is all Singular and Supreme Life metaphysically without distinctions of any of the sort above. In the afterlife, there is no heaven, no limbo, and no hell and paradoxically there are those realms. Because humanity has created like God on Earth and thus Creation mirrors that back at us with karma like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Aside from physical Creation, there is all manner of realities in the etherical afterlife whatever we choose as baby godlike angels we choose to create by divine free will. So in good turn, there are endless paradises like heavens, limbo's, and hells by our willful creations. Otherwise, to God, there are no such realms it is all One to Him in Supreme Gratitude. Amen. ---Ivan Pozo-Illas / Atrayo.
Lust:
2610) Self-gratification always offer finite pleasures to everybody that seeks such temporal ecstasy. However, after their luster, wanes thin one is even more famished than before. Being anemic only for more of the same or better in practice. Hunger of the pleasures of the flesh unchecked leads to perversions as uncontrollable lusts best left unexplored in the world.
Every additional jolt of elation burns a deeper depraved hole in one's psyche as an uninvited backlash. Lasting relief may never be found unless one dies to such an uncontrollable lust as an addiction and lifestyle. Only in plain humility of ones self-medicated misfortunes can one find solace with spiritual ideals that lead to a robust faith within the highest self. By swapping out unconditional lust for genuine sincere unconditional love for your compassionate self with wisdom. Including as a caring outlook for all others who suffer in the world across a spectrum of disorders of personal character on Earth. One must cease being a predator of debauchery refusing to exploit others for one's lust and sadism.
Only in such a deafening spiritual silence that drives mad the diabolical. Here is the Peace of God that bypasses all earthly wishes of mortal understanding. All unchecked satiated lust that is accomplished drives away the light of health and well being. All lasting peace of the soul is shared aside from the chaos of defiled darkness being experienced. Be still for what the body seeks isn't evil just misunderstood impulses best funneled elsewhere instead with mutual compassion. 
There is godly beauty in sensual expressions as extensions of the spirit within through the human body, however. One must have delicate mutual respect with utmost dignity for one's sexual partners once attained in life. Hedonism can be both heavenly beauty and also hellish depravity on how that lifestyle is performed on the Earth. Sexual repression as self-expression can lead to outbursts of all manner of societal ills in the world as poor health and abuse. Taboo's soon become fanatical phobias when disgrace is shoved upon the suffering seeking positive outcomes. All configurations of marriage are sacred in heavenly truth when Absolute Love of God(dess) is first and last obeyed on Earth. Be this in heterosexual, bi-sexual, transgendered, patriarchal and matriarchal polygamists, and so forth in progressive enlightened Institutions of marriage. Where the Will of God(dess) is compassionately inclusive and never myopic in practice.
To Lust, some in moderation is being a healthy human being. However, to lust unchecked becomes demonic and a travesty burning holes in one's hearts and minds combined in life. Amen. ---Ivan Pozo-Illas / Atrayo.
Ivan "Atrayo" Pozo-Illas, has devoted 22 years of his life to the pursuit of clairvoyant automatic writing channeling the Angelic host. Ivan is the author of the spiritual wisdom series of "Jewels of Truth" consisting of 3 volumes published to date. He also channels inspired conceptual designs that are multifaceted for the next society to come that are solutions based as a form of dharmic service. Numerous examples of his work are available at "Atrayo's Oracle" blog site of 12 years plus online. Your welcome to visit his website "Jewelsoftruth.us" for further information or to contact Atrayo directly.
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