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aikoiya · 8 months

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LoZ - When Power Wins

I just can't help but think that in every situation that I can think of, if Demise or Ganon ever wins, it eventually ends in a Pyrrhic victory.

Which, the definition of a Pyrrhic victory is "a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. Such a victory negates any true sense of achievement a/o damages long-term progress."

For instance, Demise's wish was a world of demons & darkness, but what exactly does that even entail?

Like, he gives the impression of someone who revels in victory through conflict, but if he were suddenly the ruler of the literal world, then there'd be no battles left to be fought. There's also the fact that such wanton destruction could leave the world all-but uninhabitable. Even SS showed that he & his army burned down forests, choked the land's sweet springs, & killed without mercy.

If he were to continue as such, what then?

And, what was Ganondorf's wish? I know that a lot of people wanna say that every Ganondorf is the same Ganondorf, but that can't be true, because if he was, you'd think that he'd do shit differently rather than continually beat his head into a wall. Like, just go somewhere else, dude!

Also, while WW Ganon's wish was for Hyrule's return, he wanted it so he could conquer it, but conquering something requires there to be something to conquer. So, even if the land would've been brought back, there was no one living there for him to conquer. He'd just be laying claim to an unpopulated land. And what would he even do with that land? He'd be the only one left as it's implied that the Gerudo are basically extinct in the Great Sea. And I highly doubt that he'd allow the people living on the mountaintops to live in his newly-"conquered" kingdom. So, what exactly would he have been king of?

Like, boo is hot, but he confuses the shit outta me. Ya'll think he might actually secretly be a himbo?

I mean, did he intend to just found a new kingdom? I hate to say it, but Ganon's never been portrayed as being very good at building things unless it was with the goal to destroy or conquer.

And in ALttP, he wishes to rule the Light World, but why? Doesn't he already have the Dark World? And how would ruling the Light World be any different to ruling the Dark World?

Like, so what if it's a bit brighter? It's just Lorule with a sunlamp!

I just... Has he, in any iteration, ever shown any indication as to what he plans to do next after achieving his goals?

Like, I know that in TotK that he planned to turn Hyrule into a place of unending conflict, but the fact of the matter is that that shit would not end well!

I mean, as far as game plot goes, this is fine, but writers tend to want to know these things so that they can explore character motivations.

Like, as far as I know, the one time he wins, he's immediately sealed away by the sages, thus we never learn of what he plans to do next.

We don't even know what sort of ruler he is. For all the talk of him being "King of the Gerudo." We don't see him rule.

Like, is it enough for him to just own the land or does he feel the need to be people's actual king?

And what sort of king is he?

Arguably not a good one as, in OoT, despite having been King of Hyrule for a full 7 years, you don't ever see the Gerudo living in Hyrule. Instead, they remained in the desert, but then what was even the point of taking over Hyrule to begin with if not to help his people prosper??

Did he ever really give a shit about them or were they just a means to an end for him?

Hell, what even happened to the Gerudo in the Downfall Timeline.

They never really show up again. Either they escaped Hyrule, were exiled like in the Child Timeline, integrated with Hyrule & their descendants lived as Hylians like some fans think was the case with Telma, or they were exterminated only to be brought back when the 3 timelines merged.

I just... I don't think anyone has really explored the consequences of either Ganondorf or Demise winning. At least, not Ganondorf & Demise suffering from those consequences. Because, realistically, of course there'd be effing consequences that they'd have to deal with!

What if it's a monkey's paw situation & they both would've ended up regretting it?

Like, for instance, all Ganon had ever really ruled was a small tribe. Upon becoming King of Hyrule, guess what?? That's a full country with a hell of a lot more than a small tribe!

You know what more land & more people means? More expectations, more responsibility, more paperwork, & more stress headaches! Yay!

Like, sure, he's a tyrant & could easily kill anyone who goes against him or even so much as upsets him, but that only works up until there's nobody left. Then, you're the king of nobody.

Or, imagine if OoT Ganondorf made the remaining Hylians slaves? Like, he brings the Gerudo to Hyrule & the male Hylians, Humans, & Sheikah are made into a type of serf or breeding chattel for his subjects. Because he couldn't get rid of them altogether without dooming his own people due to them only getting 1 male a century. If he were to do so, he'd have to act as a breeding stud & the amount of incest that would take place would inevitably result in their extinction anyway.

Actually, that'd be an interesting timeline to explore. Where Hyrule is no longer a Golden Land. The Gerudo & Yiga are the upper class. Hyrule's culture & history has been replaced with whatever Ganondorf deemed best. Hyruleans are serfs & their men are either laborers, soldiers, or breeding stock in the form of concubinus (male concubines) for the Gerudo women. And the strongest soldiers have a tendency to either become part of a high-ranking Gerudo's harem or get married off to Gerudo women anyway due to the Gerudo wishing to have strong men so that they can bear strong daughters. Though, despite being called "husbands," they are little more than sex slaves anyway. They, of course, would remain soldiers despite this, just having a slightly fancier home to return to & the "glory" of being a strong Gerudo's stud & sire to her daughters.

Like, I go into a whole thing about the Gerudo's possible sex industry that focuses almost solely on foreign enslaved men because I just can't think of any other way that a society of all-female bandits could go about it. I mean, just being bandits has gotta be tough enough, but bandits that are part of a race that only gets uno male per century???

There has to be some shady-ass shit goin' on there & I don't care if the games refer to them as "honorable theives." In a situation like theirs, you gotta do some pretty terrible shit to survive.

Besides, how many men do you think would choose to marry a bandit if he knew she was a bandit unless he himself was a bandit? Besides the construction crew. Those guys were pervs. I mean men with a degree of self-respect.

I bet that in a situation where Ganon from OoT won & wasn't sealed away by the Sages, that Zelda had been forced into marriage with Ganondorf, who wished for the power that her blessed blood would give his bloodline just in case something happened to him. The new Zelda is Gerudo & not named Zelda, while her elder brother is the new Gerudo King, Ganondorf II. And Link is a poor serf half-Sheikah, half-Hylian being raised to one day be one of the Dragmire family's personal guards & assassins.

Hell, perhaps he was selected to be one of Zelda's guards or maybe he was a gift to her from her brother who had been pressuring her to get a concubinus of her own if she didn't wish to marry yet.

The likelihood that he'll end up being married off or made into a concubinus is extremely high.

Moving on, the land is slowly losing its vitality & there is pressure put on this new Ganondorf to solve the issue. The Hyrulean gods have been replaced with Gerudo ones such as the Goddess of the Sand & the Seven Heroines, but not the 8th Hero because that would imply too much that Hylians were good for something & Ganon couldn't have that, now could he? Anyway, Hyrulean temples have been desecrated. Their books burned.

Just full colonization. Basically a hostile takeover.

A resistance plot could be a very cool idea for a Zelda game.

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#loz #legend of zelda #ganondorf #demise #downfall timeline

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awfulrabbit · 4 months

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Heyyy these are a lot of fun to fill out so I did a bunch! This first one is of Hibiki and his queerplatonic partner, Aria! They're a huge mess, but filled with love and care, so we wouldn't have them any other way.

Aria belongs to my excellent friend @tealjoy!

Check out Hibiki on Toyhouse for more, if you want!

Link to the meme template by Gibb_Arts here!

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meet-again-in-another-life · 1 month

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Happy birthday, Four Swords Adventures! To celebrate, here's a snippet of a vignette request I finally had some time to work on today! :)

"The reflection’s current alignment is… vague. It is best we take no chances. He was made to challenge the hero by taking his shape— but that does not inherently give him his heart. A heart is woven from experiences. Shadows are created with uncertainty; hidden answers are simply in their nature. Caution is necessary when dealing with them… or you may learn something regrettable much too late.” They sigh, their red eyes narrowing in genuine concern. “I know you would like to trust him, especially after he spared your life— but even that can be a part of an underlying strategy.”

Downfall Timeline Sheik cautions FSA Zelda and Link (Light & Mirror) about a certain Shadow... 👁

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molassified-minipak · 2 months

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There’s a chapel in the Temple of Time.

A close space, gated, with a window to the west. The stained glass does not fill its frame as the Temple’s other windows. The bottom third remains clear, low enough for children to peek through and view the Lost Woods through the roofs and spires of Castle Town. Adults must stoop.

Vines twist around the ever-open gates. Golden and green, with bejewelled fairies wrought into the bars. A sapphire body’s wings are rubbed dark and tarnished - for luck, the townsfolk say.

There’s a shrine in the chapel in the Temple of Time.

Fairies, real ones, gather there. The seven symbols of the seven Sages encircle it in a halo of blessing. The plaque is wood, not metal or stone. Ancient red paint flakes in a spiral. There are no other marks.

The chapel is haunted, the townsfolk say. Only the pure of heart may enter. The gates warp in a way that anyone with ill intent finds themself back outside. Discordant flutes follow them. Laughter brands them unworthy.

The children of the town know better. They play safely and warmly in the light of the setting sun. They leave flowers and sweets and interesting bugs at the base of the plaque. This chapel, this shrine, is to their hero. They will all return home without care - as their hero never did.

#not really febuwhump #but febuwhump adjacent #atmospheric study #legend of zelda #loz #downfall timeline #implied mcd #temple of time #oot

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kate-m-art · 1 year

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Yeah idk either just really in my feels for legacy family... Hero of Legend, his son Gayle, their descendants Autumn and the Hero of Hyrule... just crying save them all they're tired but still fighting

#TvT #loz legacy #legacy au #downfall #downfall timeline #family #autumn link #hero of legend #hero of hyrule #links kids

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benilos · 4 months

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I don’t know anything about your timeline so bleas share 🥺🥺🥺

In case that's hard to see, synopsis is Downfall Timeline is:

-Era of the Hero of Time's (Adult Era Failure), brings on the Second Imprisoning War of this entire timeline set, which is the sealing of Ganondorf Dragmire (OOT Ganondorf)

-Era of Light and Dark (A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening and Oracle games Link, then about 60 years after we see the A Link Between Worlds/Triforce Heroes Link)

-The Golden Era (this was just in the Hyrule Historia Timeline i actually cant remember what occurs here cuz i dont really actively use this era)

-Era of the Decline (Zelda I/II), followed by the journey of Marrel Typhlo (Cartoon Link)

-Era of the Split (this about a few thousand or so years after the Decline, and includes the events of the Hero that split Ganon's soul into four as told in Hyrule Warriors, there were a number of non-named Heroes and fights against Ganon during this time, but this era specifically features a Timorine Ganondorf, as Timori often has a tribe of Gerudo that live on the opposite side of Gerudo Desert from Hyrule's end of it.)

-Era of Peace, the thousand year period between the Split and the War Across the Ages

-Era of the Merge, (Hyrule Warriors and the War Across the Ages, also the point at which the timelines re-merge into the Converged Timeline, which goes precedes BOTW and the First Calamity and all of that.)

Enjoy my word vomit that makes no sense under the cut

The Downfall Timeline includes Pierce, Tyrant, Tear, Ravio, Lucky, Linkle, Cartoon Link, etc and their buddies in their Eras and all that.

Most of these eras are kinda unique in HB as they all see a LOT more interaction with my crafted sister-country to Hyrule, Timori (which is considered the Light World counterpart to the Twilight Realm, aka Twilim.) It also sees just, a lot more space travel rather than time travel then the rest of the timelines, cuz we get to see more of Holodrum, Labrynna, Hytopia, Lorule etc, as well as a LOT more traversal of my Dark Worlds, like Trigivin (Lorule's Dark World, as Lorule is considered a Light World in my series), and Fayris (the actual Dark World to Hyrule). The only one that doesn't get shown as much is Twilim, other than Lepus's appearance, as he's a Twili. So much of this does not make sense lmao, I gotta remember not everyone was here for the days of the HB discord server.

This is like, my favorite of my timelines though, because for one it has the most people in it and is my most finished end of the Paths in HB (timeline paths). Lucky (HW Link) has probably the most fleshed out background, Pierce (ALttP Link) is my most influential Link, as him veering from the Path he's meant to take could literally wipe out the majority of Hyrule, Lorule and multiple other worlds because of his lineage and what his lineage ends up accomplishing. The Tepir line (Linka Tepir being Pierce's real name) is my most well-tracked family in this series too, cuz it includes the entirety of the Royal Family after ALttP as well as almost every Link that succeeds Pierce.

I put Hyrule Warriors into the end of the Downfall Timeline mostly cuz i just feel like it fits so perfectly there? Like, idk I always felt like it fit there best. When the Era of the Merge occurs, theres a period of time spanning maybe 4 or 5 generations, where all three timelines just, meld together? It happens in such a way that somehow, no one can tell. Once the generations that were there when it happened are dead and gone, no one actually realizes that their world is completely different. It has a slight brain fog effect on the people that come after, and also kinda has a hand in creating the idea of the Era of Myth later into the Merged Timeline, so as Hyrule progressed into the much more advanced form its in by the time of the First Calamity, that fogginess on what exactly occurred prior is what makes people so unsure whether or not that time actually existed. Which also has a hand in why Rauru and Sonia believe theirselves to be the founders and first royals of Hyrule, because there are no records left at that time. They're going off of pale remnants of legends and theories that constantly contradict each other due to how the timelines merged. Nothing seems to add up so its regarding as tall tales and bedtime stories. I'm going to freak out I could word vomit about this for ages.

#skull talk #links meet #links meet au #loz #loz au #hyrule-bound #downfall timeline #hyrule bound #hb #friend hero #totk #hyrule warriors #fuck it im not #tagging everything hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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thehonorableprince · 2 years

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The Breaking of Time CH 10 - The Ritual

The Hylians hardly put up a fight - compared to Agahnim's magic... but with the absence of Lord Ganondorf, Nabooru tries to style herself as "Queen" of the newly conquered realm. Those who enter power struggles against the wizard, however, do not last long. Read more at: https://archiveofourown.org/works/27777823/chapters/68007334

Illustration by: http://instagram.com/hollow.rt/

First Edition Design by: https://www.instagram.com/sadie_beltran/

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notmuchtoconceal · 4 months

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verily, verily, i say unto you -- so yeah. i don't need to do this part.

the only way the zelda downfall timeline makes sense to me is if you treat the production order as a chronology in its own right.

let me explain.

(so) the legend of zelda (the original, which is always best) takes place at the end of a later-to-be-revealed fallen timeline, yet even in the stated status quo of the original game, the kingdom of hyrule is in ruins.

ganon has seized the triforce, of which there are now only two.

zelda divides the second piece, pertaining to wisdom -- into eight pieces, which the hero link must find to prove himself worthy to ender the secret 9th dungeon, the sprawling underground skull rock which you enter through a recurrent formation in the shape of an eyeglass.

link, in the sequel, must then locate the hidden triforce of courage.

he does this --(in a mysterious northern isle actually the main body of the previously glimpsed southern aisle) through a dramatic shift where the poles of his awareness are flipped to a narrow and unnatural side-on perspective, necessitating steep grinds and a mastery over magic and the vertical axis, he renders inert an enchantment by placing six crystals in six statues to open the gate to a palace hidden on the most-distant near-proximity of the new continent ;-- where he must thenface-off against a vaguely deco-inspired monster of Native American myth before overcoming his own dark side and claiming his place as rightful inheritor and possessor of the final enchanted triune artefact.

(this is also the first (and only) time there seem to be two zeldas in existence at the same time ;-- the rescued maiden and the awakened beauty.)

so, yeah.

that's the classic NES duology and that's where it ends.

the north american title of the SNES prequel is particularly relevant, for though a significant upscale in terms of graphical fidelity and precision of control, the narrative posits itself as deliberately backwards looking ;-- this is an attempt by the now unified kingdom of hyrule to reckon with its history. in the intro cinematic to this story about a good king assassinated and usurped by a conniving enchanter, we hear of the imprisoning war, seemingly the source of all this cute lil redneck kingdom's seemingly endless woe. it tells of how the triforce was first bloodied by human hands, perverting the sacred realm and contaminating the magickal-psychic matrix of the land's consciousness.

After a detour where Link realizes that life is merrily, merrily but a dream and collects the Eight Instruments of the Sirens in what is not-at-all a deliberate mirroring of his future-forerunner's collecting of the 8 Shards of the Goddess's Wisdom, he cracks the world egg atop a mountain by playing live an extended lullaby for the Wind Fish who is more accurately a Land Whale, and slays the Nightmares who held him to slumber, incidentally liberating the only freedom-loving soul from its illusion --

After that brief detour, what seems to occur -- you being jaunty enough to continue to humor this, among my many other thought experiments -- is this hypothetical backwards looking perspective (related to Zelda's later archeological ambitions...? I haven't played either BotW, do allow your own knowledge to fill-in or contradict as necessary) which deigns to witness the Imprisoning War (I suppose they could be so direct as to ask the Triforce itself?) seems to split the timeline by observing it (Butterfly Effect, quantum fluctuations, the atomic weight of consciousness) in effect erasing the original from existence as it creates the two.

If this seems absurd, do be aware -- Ganondorf receives the Triforce of Power in Twilight Princess seconds before his death by execution at the Light Swords of the Sages. This is a deliberate deus-ex-machina which the narrators refer to as a "divine prank" and seems to rely on the player's familiarity with the events of the previous games (so much of what, in Twilight Princess's narrative seems to be nostalgia points simply reinforcing -- it's eerie familiarity. This land's status as the shadow of a former (or estrange contemporary's) glory.

That is -- the knowledge that Ocarina of Time ends with Link possessing foreknowledge, his meeting with Zelda in the post-credits will ensure that a change will occur.

The Triforce is a Divine Object belonging to the Sacred Realm and so Exists Above and Outside of Time.

If Ganondorf possesses the Power of the Gods in One Timeline, he possess them in All Timelines -- even one's where he's a loser convict on death row about to get iced by elderly nerds.

How do the two interact?

If Ganondorf does something in one timeline, does it effect what he does in all timelines? Do the two newly introduced split timelines somehow feed into one another? Perhaps Ganondorf's brief ascension in TP -- his feeding off of his symbiosis with Zant and the associated corruption of the Twilii people -- is enough to give Ganondorf in the Wind Waker timeline the strength he needs to break free of his bindings? This would, in effect, make TP as much a prequel to WW as sequel to MM!

Does this imply -- do indulge me this detour, let us see together to what fruitful avenues it may lead! -- that the more Hyrule's history is revealed, the more its awareness of itself seems to diverge and fragment into dead-ends, side-roads, alternate possibilities, predecessor upon predecessor, past upon past, coming to accrue as much as it clarifies -- bouncing like a ping-pong ball ball (by which i mean that more exquisite art -- the energy tennis match between hero and villain) as the chaos gives way to shape and the chaos to some deeper form?

Conclusions in one windswept corner in time, from bouncing back and forth from some fairy tale past about an enchanted cap and a world of little people and a blade which divides one into four ... and a land where your kingdom was drowned for good, your patriarch renouncing his entitlements, to bless you to open and terrible freedom to not repeat the mistakes of your ancestors, setting sail for a distant land you will make you own ... which you discover is spider-webbed with train-tracks which were already there. designed by a more mechanically advanced-prior civilization. train-tracks. across the entire-continent. already there.

not connected to some heartland city, no -- of course not. simply another variation on the tower of babel and wasteland motifs you've already glimpsed in that other other timeline's alternative alternate world.

i confess, on my first and only playthrough of Spirit Tracks (despite or perhaps precisely because of its inoffensive nature) i found myself so bored, i put it down halfway through and didn't pick it back up for six months, and when i did it was only because -- there would be a new game soon.

skyward sword was yet a glint on the horizon. there were no plans yet announced for a zelda on the wii which wasn't already on the cube.

i had a dream where i was in a sprawling floral-lattice work of a stream-shrouded 1920's train station and there was an inkling i needed to finish that last zelda there would be another one soon.

i needed to finish it, there would be another one soon.

i can't recall if there were skylights, yet i seem to suspect.

skyward sword, it is my regret to feel, though not openly repeat -- was so bad, i fear despite being intellectually open to another zelda, it left me feeling i had outgrown video games as a general hobby and this was a good place to stop. i feel it was giving me a dreadful warning.

all technology from this point on is simply training you to play fetch for the AI girlfriend who is submissive waifu masking claustrophobic smother-demon timesink. It was telling me get out all now. All further digital games will simply be coded nanny state propaganda.

i feel the entire series Zelda herself has been slowly transitioning from Mother-Sister to Sister-Wife and Now Link Has to Put His Dick In Her and It's Repulsive. I don't want it. I understand why infinite access to bitches and bling turned Ganondorf into an insipidly hunky blue swine beast.

I do not wish to wed the nanny state through a symbolic incestuous union with the machine. I can't imagine the level of loneliness and feelings of personal disempowerment would could ever possibly drive one to wish to own, let alone interact with an Alexa. I have no idea why anyone would consider this histrionic. I suspect most are half-aware, barely alive.

The first Demon to which I ever bore witness was the Microsoft Office Paperclip and I immediately knew it was evil; a withering force of infantilization which yearned to strip me of my savvy and I rightfully shunned it! I do not wish for my interfaces to have personalities or crack jokes! I want machines to be machines! A machine with a soul should be cathartic only for it reflects a solitary intellect's capacity to endure.

If you've ever seen The Film Simply Called Moon by David Bowieson, they did it right in that. That was a good AI companion. He was one step above Wilson from Cast Away. He was basically a totem comfort object with a short term data cash which functioned as semi-authentic short term memory. He was a simple machine, but it was real. That was honest.

Why would anyone ever love a son? It takes a saint to love a son. Autism is basically Son: The Personality cause They're All Like That. That's what it is to be a Boy, which is why it is so confusing when you are an Autistic Girl who is also Heterosexual! Being An Autistic Lesbian makes everything hilarious, oh my God. That level of natural detachment, if properly harnessed -- constant lazer vision. Carve microchips into people's faces. Rub your swampy crotches together to create fungal blooms live-erupting out of hot spring geysers scarring lily-white flesh!

A son is a little whelp you fuck emotionally until it's manly.

It's horrible. You have to actually love that to do it right. Look at yourself and see how hard it is to love you, apparently. It doesn't make any sense to me when you're repulsed by yourself. Why would you find either you or me repulsive? We're having fun maybe you should get that checked out.

#that was great #i think #i can #*i think #the legend of zelda #downfall timeline #microsoft word #clippy #demonology #begone demon of learned helplessness!#begone demon of insipid wondering!#begone bemon of lackadaisical non-concern!

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