#discourse*

[ingravinoveritas]

Michael Sheen: Repeatedly mentions his attractions to other men, talks about his first crush being on a man, describes one of his characters as "pansexual," talks about how gorgeous/easy to fall in love with/slinky-hipped David is, and otherwise screams into the universe about being bi without saying the word "bisexual."

Misha Collins: Accidentally "comes out" as bisexual at a convention, then walks it back three days later and comes out as straight.

One of these things is not like the other...

#michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #misha collins #i honestly don't know how people can even make the comparison #i know Misha has said things about his costars as well but there is a difference between wanting to get a rise out of people #versus Michael saying things about David because he literally can't fucking help himself #also take a guess as to which one people are more likely to think is actually bi #despite literally all of the above #i think Michael has been telling us exactly who he is for a long time now #but i will leave it to my followers to make up their own minds #bisexuality #thoughts #discourse

[sideeve]

i’m not one to judge people on what they like (i’m lying out my ass rn) but that mitsuriwritessmut chick needs to be fucking checked.

ONE they posted some nsfw art of yuuji n sukuna praising it. they are canonically family and yuuji is a minor.

TWO they made p links for yuuta who isn’t canonically 18 yet

THREE made r*pe p links…the fuck is wrong with you? take your weird ass somewhere. y’all are fucking sick. i’m ashamed to even be a fan off jjk at this point

#discourse #jjk x reader #itadori yuuji x reader #sukuna x reader #gojo x reader #yuta okkotsu

[this-is-a-love-story-isnt-it]

Ok what’s the difference between “meta” and “discourse” when it comes to fandom?

#meta #fandom meta #fandom discourse #discourse

[rirururu]

Their dialogue matches 🥺

More proof that Isagi being there to catch Bachira's kick at the end of second selection was meant to parallel their first meeting, except this time it's him believing in Bachira instead of the other way around.

#bachisagi #blue lock #bachira meguru #isagi yoichi #bllk #omg how did i not notice this before #kaneshiro strikes again #meta #discourse #analysis

[pixiecaps]

one of the many really horrible parts of reading the admin testimonies as a long time viewer is the increasingly clear lack of direction the lore actually had because for many of us we were under a completely different impression that this world we loved had some type of plan or proper conclusion and of course a lot of us noticed with time that hey they dont know what theyre doing do they? but actually getting that confirmation and seeing how poorly executed it was. damn i feel for the writers so much. the amount of mentions of their work being either half used or completely abandoned sucks. and as a viewer and lorehead its infuriating. knowing so many of these writers held a passion and put so much of their time to try and make this a proper story only for it to be trashed. yeah rough. at least theres a certain type of closure with these statements that make it easier to understand how we got here lol

#lot of disappointment from my end since i was so invested in it ya know #hearts to the admins and writers as always. #discourse #qadmin situation

[cawareyoudoin]

Obviously some people will find any excuse to hate a ship, and can't get it in their head that sometimes it's better to just ignore stuff than to say anything. But the way they justify their hatred often reeks of barely veiled homophobia. I've seen so many people complain in Youtube comments on Sonadow videos that "Shadow is literally 50 years old omg". And I have to wonder why I don't see so much hate for, for example, any ship with Aang in ATLA. Because if we do count years in cryostasis, then that boy is also over a 100 years old. And I haven't seen nearly as much vitriol with other Shadow-centric ships, either (though that might be a matter of popularity).

It's just people trying to morally justify disliking something. You are allowed to dislike something and also to have no moral reason for it!

#idk where i was going with this i guess i just needed to get that out #sonadow #sonic the hedgehog #shipping #discourse #atla #shadow the hedgehog #cawpost #caw caws

[conarcoin]

it is really annoying how the pro- vs anti-ship debate was originally about harassment but it's just completely devolved into Likes X Thing vs Dislikes X Thing with x thing being whatever hot button topic they're on about today (it changes weekly)

#discourse

[politecowboy]

can people be normal about kabru's blue eyes.. nepalese people can have blue eyes.. it and his relationship with his upbringing are a part of his character. why is it that the prominent brown character is subject to so much teasing and exotifying always

#dunmeshi #kabru #discourse #dungeon meshi #the jokes are so old

[yuwonder]

fandom still has no idea how to reconcile female characters so they make marcille their mean lesbian who hates laios, as if her character isn't driven by love and trauma by the thought of the touden siblings dying before her

#marcille donato #dungeon meshi #dunmeshi #discourse #negative #i get not wanting to center men! god i do #but that just isn't her character #and you can stop doing her a disservice

[imaginesangie]

It’s so weird to me to see modern ZADR fans who are no older than like 15 whining about shipping. Like, hate to burst your bubble, but the vast majority of people don’t care about “proship” or whatever the fuck. It’s not a real issue (your personal disgust and trauma doesn’t mean that content isn’t allowed to exist) and I’m tired of people hyper focusing on it like it is.

Your feelings towards taboo or “disgusting” art are completely valid, but you have no right to treat people poorly or dish out abusive behavior over it. You certainly have no right to tell those people you wished they died, either.

It’s not the “proshippers” who ruin a fandom, it’s the fandom newbies who are obsessed with purity culture and fake progressive ideas that spread hate and abuse without hesitation.

Stop trying to tell yourself that it’s okay to be bigots and abusive towards the “right people” for the “right reasons”. You make fandom spaces, places that are meant to be fun and chill, highly stressful. Nobody should have to constantly walk on eggshells because you can’t control your temper.

No, I don’t deserve to die. No, I don’t deserve to be harassed. No, I don’t deserve threats. No, I don’t deserve abuse.

Break out of these abusive behaviors, stop bullying and harassing (abusing) people over things that don’t matter or exist. Sincerely, I hope the teens that think this way grow out of that shit. You’re better than this.

I’m not a “proshipper” as I don’t subscribe to such terminally online bullshit, but since you terminally online netizens will call me that anyway, let me break down “proship”.

The word “pro” means you are for something, like being Pro-abortion means you’re for abortion rights. Proshipping just means you believe ships have a right to exist regardless of your own feelings.

Ship and let ship. That was the norm not even a decade ago. Let’s bring back that norm instead of making abuse the new norm.

#discourse #drama #zadr #tagging with discourse #so ppl can block #i’m just so tired #of what fandoms #have become #in the past decade #i will never forgive #the voltron fandom

[blackgirlcinephiles]

Incoming: Long post! Black media discourse! Zendaya think piece!

Two years ago I wrote this post about Zendaya, Keke Palmer, and how colorism shapes the career trajectories of Black actresses.

This past weekend Challengers released in theaters, sparking a round of online discussion about Zendaya, her star power, her talent as an actor, and how a raunchy film like Challengers fits into a cultural landscape that’s less enthusiastic about on-screen depictions of sex.

Early reviews of the film lauded Zendaya’s performance, and even after it’s release, the general consensus remains overwhelmingly positive, with quiet buzzing of a potential Oscar nomination for Zendaya. Kudos to her!

I’m not here, however, to discuss or analyze Zendaya’s acting chops. (To some ppl, she’s outstanding, to others she’s overhyped. Personally, I think Zendaya is talented. Her work in Euphoria was no small feat and she’s proved herself capable.)

The reason I’m writing this now is that an excerpt from this article about Zendaya and Challengers got me thinking again about what it takes for Black actors to become “stars” in this day and age. I’ll insert screenshots here.

Now I’m sure the reviewer’s tone in these excerpts will be off-putting to some, esp those who identify as a part of the Zendaya standom. It’s clear that Ms. Angelica Jade Bastien has yet to buy into the fanfare about Zendaya’s acting abilities.

But she touches on something very interesting to me. Zendaya is THE most prominent Black actress of the younger generation and I’d argue her degree of star power is unmatched by even her non-Black peers, some of them having comparatively longer (& more impressive) resumes. Zendaya is incredibly well liked. People want to see her and she’s been so visible these past 6 years that it’s hard to believe Challengers is her first leading role in a big release.

So…why her? Why has Zendaya been able to garner this level of star power and leverage behind the scenes while other equally talented Black actors fight for adequate roles and visibility? After reading several opinions, I’ve come to some conclusions.

I think colorism, racial identity, and desirability politics all play a role (as was discussed in the colorism post). But I also think Zendaya has been very smart about managing her online presence and overall brand. She’s maintained Beyonce level privacy about her personal life (virtually scandal free since her teens) and has managed to exude poise while still being seen as delightfully down-to-earth. That in itself is praiseworthy b/c it’s a delicate balancing act and many have faltered.

I also think that as AJB states, there’s an indictment on Hollywood to be made here. I think since Zendaya��s exit from Disney, the projects she’s taken on have used her likeness to stoke public interest in the films. (Similar to the way ppl watched Selena’s film choices post- Wizards of Waverly: “What’s this beloved disney kid up to next?”)

And this is noteworthy b/c the significance of Zendaya’s roles in the early films of the Spiderman and Dune franchises have been disproportionate to her visibility in promotional materials. Zendaya’s screentime in the first Dune couldn’t have amounted to more than 10 minutes, but she was prominently featured on the press tour and red carpets. The same goes for the first Spiderman. She’s clearly been used to sell tickets to these movies, even when she doesn’t have a lot to do in them.

And Zendaya, to her credit, has made the most of these opportunities (earlier this year she received high praise for her performance as Chani in Dune 2). She once stated in a vogue interview that she started going out for roles initially written as white to see if she’d be able to change the casting team’s mind. And it seems that she’s succeeded, as evidenced by her presence in several huge releases over the past 6 years. But these were often small, supporting roles where her identity as a biracial Black woman didn’t impact her character’s arc within the overall story. (This is not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but stay with me)

This then begs the question, “What does it mean for a star like Zendaya to take up roles originally reserved for white actresses?”

The conclusion I’ve come to is that it means providing a film with enough racial diversity to give the impression that Hollywood cares about being inclusive, while not being so different that certain audiences are unable to “connect” to the character. I think that “Hollywood’s acceptable Black girl” has to be Black enough to fulfill a diversity quota, but not so Black that audiences are reminded the character has a different lived experience from them and feel uncomfortable.

Like AJB said, I don’t believe mainstream audiences are actually interested in Black female rage. It makes them uncomfortable and lately certain factions of the population have been extremely vocal about being “tired of woke.”

I find it strange that Justin Kuritzkes (the Challengers screenwriter) stated it only made sense to write Tashi as a Black woman bc of the visibility and dominance of Black women in tennis, but didn’t think it’d be important to explore any of the challenges that come with that in the film. And for this to be followed by the decision to cast a light skinned, biracial actress in the role? It doesn’t make any sense.

We’re shown that Tashi Duncan is a fierce, unapologetically competitive athlete. And yet, these are not qualities that Black female athletes are usually applauded for having. Just look at the narratives that have swirled around athletes like Serena Williams and Sha’Carri Richardson since their debuts. There’s always a barely concealed desire to humble high achieving Black women who are confident in their abilities. The press coverage around Serena & Naomi’s infamous match (which Justin Kuritzkes said inspired Challengers) is a perfect example of that. It’s strange to model a character after these figures and give no mention of these struggles and how they’d influence character motivations.

IMO, this reads as another case of not wanting to be critized for lack of diversity in your film, while also not wanting to do the work that goes into making your diverse cast authentic. (like getting input from or writing alongside other BIPOC screenwriters. That “little white boys” line is truly meaningless without any context or backstory. And it doesn’t sound like they’ve given Tashi much.) The result is an Black female lead character who is under-written and whose importance has been overstated in the promos in contrast to the actual story. (Which seems to fit right on trend for films Zendaya’s been a part of.)

Zendaya seems to have become the go-to Black actress for when big budget films want to “go ethnic.” She’s mixed race, conventionally beautiful, near universally well-liked w/ a loyal fanbase, and has been recognized as talented enough (Two Emmys! Count ‘em. Two!) to get the job done. She’s a safe bet that allows them to kill two birds with one stone. By adding Zendaya to the mix, the studio gets to check a diversity box for their cast and gets leading star guaranteed to get them sales.

I really don’t want anyone to misconstrue this as downplaying Zendaya’s achievements or her talent, b/c it’s not. But no part of the society we live in is a true meritocracy. As I discussed in the original post re: colorism, there are always structural and social forces at work shaping our ability to advance. Like Beyonce, Zendaya is an incredibly privileged Black woman who is talented, has worked hard, and has made the most of the advantages she’s been afforded. And I don’t think Zendaya has any control over the way she’s been used to advertise the films she’s done over the past 6 years.

I just think this conversation is another opportunity to adjust our perspectives and examine the limitations of representation in Hollywood. I’m reluctant to acknowledge Zendaya’s current success as a marker of progress or even see it as a win for Black female representation.

“Zendaya is officially Gen Z’s Hollywood star. Gen Z’s first true Hollywood star is a Black woman!”

What does it say about the stage of progress we’re in if our generation’s chosen Black leading lady has to have such close proximity to whiteness that people can choose to overlook her Blackness, if they so desire? Is the mere presence of a Black face in a high place progress? Or is it what that person’s power allows them to do for others who are also marginalized? As AJB asked, how meaningful is Zendaya’s position as a Black female producer if everything about the projects she’s involved in is white except for her? (Just throwing out food for thought: How different would Challengers have been if a MoC was casted as one of the male leads instead of the two “white twinks” everyone can’t stop talking about? No shade to Mike Faist or Josh O’Connor, but would it still have gotten buzz? Would the marketing team have known how to advertise the film if there were two main actors of color instead of one?)

I think it’s amazing to see Zendaya’s growth and success as a biracial Black female entertainer, but I won’t attach any meaning to her success that isn’t there.

This is actually a really shitty time for Black art and Black actors in Hollywood. Last year, so many wonderful Black shows were cancelled. DEI rollbacks are hitting all parts of society, but especially entertainment and the trend doesn’t seem to be reversing any time soon.

It’s not comforting to see Zendaya reach the heights she’s soared to, while other equally talented yet less privileged Black actors fall into obscurity waiting years before they get another role that showcases their abilities. Black actors continue to suffer from lack access to opportunities/roles. Their projects are not marketed and given time to grow. And even when the support is there, the shows will still be cancelled. What does it say that the one Black actress who has had consistent enough access to these opportunites to achieve “star” status is the one with the closest proximity to whiteness?

Things are actually very bleak.

#blackgirlcinephiles #black girls on tumblr #discourse #black actresses #black actresses in hollywood #zendaya #challengers #what does it mean to be a star in this day and age #what is the true importance of having a Black hollywood star? #should it mean anything? #black representation #black representation in media

[el-sandwhichito-de-geto]

It's so funny when Antis start spewing shit like "you don't care about the victims", "you'd never do this in the first place if you were against (x) and (y)", "you're disgusting for even thinking about this".

Like I have... Nothing to prove to you? Literally. Like you don't know me, you aren't my friend, you ain't inside my brain? You don't know how much I care or not care? You can't deduce that from someone's feed. You can't guess someone's life experiences from the content they consume or create.

#proship #proshipper #proship please interact #proship interact #proship safe #proshipping #discourse #sandwhich rants

[mcybree]

i always find it so funny that the number one argument against toxic fh interpretations I see are comparisons to desert duo, followed up with “but no one’s calling them toxic!!” like boy do I have news for you

#bree barks so fucking loud #Haven’t seen an angry post about it in the fh tag recently which is nice... peace and love #discourse #<- tagging this onto fh fandom shit is so funny sorry

[xomoosexo]

oh and with all the ccs who actually hate each other but interact for clout thing, to a smaller scale I feel like this phenomenon is so common with like the "smp high". I talked about this when q smp first started popping off but when you first become a part of a group that gets super popular specifically because of the interactions between the ccs, you get this crazy high where you are like wow. these are the best relationships of my life. when really... you might actually like these people but the experience is enhanced by like 10,000% because of the audience being so enraptured with the relationship between you guys. and then when that project eventually ends... whether it fades out or blows up you are left with this relationship that isn't really real but has all the intense emotions of an important one

#discourse

[aropride]

for literal years i've been baffled by "fiction isn't literally reality and characters doing bad things doesn't mean the creator thinks those things are fine" takes because it's so fucking obvious, and generally i assume it's someone using broad language to hide the fact that they're talking about incest fanfiction (and on tumblr they usually are), but whenever i see people saying dear evan hansen is a bad musical because evan does bad things, as if the point of the musical isn't that the things he did were bad, i wonder if maybe it's a fair statement to make and i've just curated my online experience enough that i've forgotten some people just don't have a brain that they use

#text #discourse

[wizardanarchosocialist]

Saw a post complaining about people disliking Cleric Killer for her "autistic traits". How long do you think it'll take before someone pulls the "she's literally neurodivergant and a minor" card.

Also it actively doesn't make sense cause Adine and Aelwyn are both incredibly blunt and kind of rude but no one complains because they're not malicious about it. At least Aelwyn isn't anymore. Fig and Kristen are way to close to my undiagnosed ADHD school experiences. Riz is... that man ain't neurological.

That puts the bad kids at, at least, 3/6 neurospicy, so even if we lived in the world were people only hate 4 dogs cause she's an asshole and not because she's murdered 2 of her party members it had nothing to do with her maybe being autistic.

#kipperlily copperkettle #fantasy high junior year #dimension 20 #kipperlilly clerickiller #kipperlilly copperkettle #discourse #and these are just my headcannons #I'm sure everyone has their own