#chakotay what a guy

[catgirljaneway]

(last images sourced from this wonderful post)

Voy + Textposts 11- Special Chakotay being a hater edition!

(Voy + Textposts 11) + (Voy + Textposts 13)

#trek thoughts #as he should! #i love how much of a hater chakotay is #i wish the writers had let him be more obvious about it #cause it's so fucking funny #you know when b'elanna got with tom he was beyond horrified #and i mean!! he's right!! #tom ISN'T good enough for her at all #truly tragic #chakotay was right all along and they ignored him #b'elanna probably didn't take his advice seriously cause of the whole weird throuple polycule thing he's got going on with tuvok and kathry #tuvok and chakotay dislike each other but also they hook up #they're both fighting for kathryn's attention but also it's homeorotic #chakotay what a guy #star trek #voyager #chakotay #b'elanna #janeway #tuvok #tom paris #chakotay x janeway x tuvok #star trek memes #star trek voy #star trek voyager #captain janeway #kathryn janeway #st voyager #star trek janeway #st textposts

[bumblingbabooshka]

Chakotay being a person who (while of course being willing to follow orders to a point) ultimately puts what's morally right and wrong in his eyes over Starfleet protocol while Tuvok is shown to be a person who will follow Starfleet protocol (and more accurately Janeway's word) over what he personally thinks is right is something that could have been so interesting if the three of them were actually shown as a triumvirate instead of it usually being Janeway-Chakotay and even then mostly just Janeway.

It would be an opportunity to explore more about the Maquis v Starfleet dynamic, about how Chakotay & Janeway's different leadership styles work and don't work with this new crew and with different people, to interrogate what exactly Voyager should look like - to incorporate more leniency and Maquis tactics into its operation so that they really do become a blended ship instead of the Maquis simply becoming subsumed into Starfleet. It'd also give more opportunities to let all three characters shine and introduce more moral quandaries that they can have differing ideas about and how does that affect them? At one point Tuvok is willing to go against Janeway's orders because she wants to do something but can't due to Starfleet protocol. In another episode he also follows Janeway's orders to assist in killing an entire ship of people despite that being against both Starfleet protocol and certain moral standards because she feels strongly that they should. He protests this but once she rebukes him he doesn't object again or attempt to stop her (like Chakotay - though they both know at that point that she's crossing lines). This sort of implies to me that he's much more loyal to Janeway herself than he is to Starfleet as a concept. Meanwhile Janeway is shown to be staunchly and strictly Starfleet - adopting the code AS her moral compass a lot of the time. She sometimes has to go off-script due to the nature of their situation but most of her decisions are made depending on how Starfleet would feel about it. If she wants to do something but Starfleet would disagree, she rarely if ever questions Starfleet protocol and instead will go with what it says is best even if it's painful on a personal level. She also tells Tuvok in the episode aforementioned that he is "Her advisor, her moral compass" and having a moral compass/advisor that's either a bunch of rules written by the space government or a person who is mostly just going to agree with you no matter what they actually think and not challenge you if you rebuke them isn't the best idea. Enter Chakotay. Chakotay's willingness to disagree with Janeway and not back down is something I wish had been shown more. When he says "I don't care about logs or reports or whatever - I care about person to person shit. I care about what's right and what you're doing is wrong." it's something that could be so interesting and so necessary when contrasted with the other two. A good example is of course 'Equinox' but also 'Manuevers' where he goes off against literally everyone's orders and friendly advice because he feels responsible. And that's important - he's doing it because he feels responsible. That's different from Tuvok (who doesn't feel) and Janeway (who would most likely try to find comfort in protocol) - because Chakotay feels he's responsible and that he needs to protect the crew since he (in his eyes) is the one who put them in danger. He's a person who's shown to be willing to go against everything anyone says in order to do what he feels is right if the wrong is too great to allow. Voyager if these three were actually allowed to argue and be equals and figure out how to work together as sort of a microcosm of how this new blended crew is going to be able to fight and work and band together.

#st voyager #Chakotay #Janeway #Tuvok #bea actually wrote a long rambling post instead of rambling in the tags of a deceptively short post???? My God..... #Tuvok is NOT a guy who's gonna ask the hard questions...Chakotay IS!!! #I can see how Tuvok was more effective as an advisor in the alpha quadrant - I see it my mind's eye #All he would have to do really is prod at Janeway and remind her of protocol or tell a brief story and she'd be like -sigh- you always know #what to say old friend <3 but in the DELTA quadrant???? #He's literally just as out of his depth as Janeway is and obviously becoming less preoccupied with actual protocol and more loyal #to her herself <- Another interesting concept!! & understandable. What's the logic (one might ask) of following Starfleet protocol #to the letter? Starfleet isn't around. I honestly don't think Tuvok would be following it if Janeway didn't put so much stock in it. #BUT Janeway's around. (His friend) The Captain's around so he'll follow HER and if SHE'S following Starfleet then he will.

[ronon-dex]

OHHHHH MY GOD THE ROCK IS HERE

#i can smell what the rock is cooking. and so can seven GET HER OUTTA THEREE #st voy #star trek: voyager #st voyager #star trek #voyager #this ep fucks extremely. alien ufc. chakotay/tom/harry/b'elanna bonding. b-team front and centre. exquisite #million dollar baby starring seven and this old lizard guy #TSUNKAT TSUNKAT TSUNKAT #6x15

[fate-motif]

every issue of star trek 2022 by idw that doesn’t feature a prodigy character it loses my respect more and more

#i know prodigy takes place five years after the comics #what about the starfleet characters #tysess? noum? barniss frex? adreek hu? #maybe set up on how chakotay's gonna go missing? #prodigy runs rings around every other show that's airing my guys #if shaxs can show up so can my good friend tysess #star trek #idw 2022 #fandom #pro #star trek prodigy

[stuffyflowers]

finished voyager.

#THE LAST EPISODE…… WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH #janeway ripping time itself to shreds for her crew… yeah sounds abt right #kinda sad we didn’t get to see any of the reunions once they got back to the alpha quadrant.. not like I wanted to see tuvoks family or #anything ;-; #also you guys were so so right about chakotay and seven. what the hell. #gonna watch lower decks next yay ^_^

[simptasia]

legit, janeway/chakotay and picard/crusher’s interactions are like peering into a universe where straight people are the ones who have been oppressed and as such in the 90s they had to be ambiguous and dance around the subject

#i finally figured out a way to describe this #its fucking surreal #janeway and chakotay have such dazzling romantic (and sexual) chemistry that it's baffling that they just. don't become a thing #the most romantic friendship i've ever seen #so it comes across like queerbaiting but for a man and a woman?? it's bizarre #and then they throw chakotay at seven at the last second and it's jarring #i'm not as invested in picard/beverly but i still like it. and like they're still clearly in love. and they know that #but they just sorta. dance around it. like writers you guys know your characters are straight right? #like you're allowed to do this #it's not like i think all men and all women need to get together #what i mean is these characters are genuinely in love. and continuing acting as such even after the writers abandoned ship #thats whats odd about it

[pissfaggit]

quietly started voyager a few weeks ago and here's my shitty breakdown of this absolutely deranged scene i can't stop thinking about

#nobody here has the full story of whats going on #it was so chaotic i loved it #i think chakotay has it worst as he didnt know about belanna and he gets the shock of finding out #that the vidiian killed that guy and stole his face #which seemed weirdly dark compared to what i usually expect from star trek? #i didnt mind it was just kind of out of the blue i was like OH damn. okey #star trek #star trek voyager #b'elanna torres #tom paris #chakotay #sir i protest i am not a merry man

[stra-tek]

Random spoilerific reasons to read Star Trek novels, with little to no context:

Ro/Quark is a thing

A Jem'Hadar joins DS9, tries to fit in but eventually snaps and tries to kill everybody

You learn the origins and final fate of the Borg

A thinly-veiled Dr. House clone joins the Voyager crew

Geordi briefly has 2 girlfriends at once (due to different writers not co-ordinating enough, but still)

There's a TOS book that's a musical

There are YA stories about Jake and Nog making mischief on DS9

YA stories about Worf, Geordi, Picard, Beverly, Kirk, Spock and McCoy at SFA

YA series about the Kelvinverse gang (including Gaila!) as cadets, taking on a drug problem at SFA and a very unique Borg scout in San Francisco

We very briefly meet the people who are to Q what the Q are to humanity

Janeway/Chakotay is a thing

Kirk's first mission in command of the Enterprise! Erm, at least twice.

Kirk was married between TOS and TMP

Her name was Lori

In the future, you have yearly marriage contracts that you either update or you don't and I think that's amazing

Trip didn't die! He faked his death to join Section 31 and go undercover as a Romulan

It's not great, tbh

The ENT books get better after the Romulan wars though, it's proper founding of the Federation stuff

We meet Jack Crusher (erm, the OG) when 4 timelines start overlapping and he's a bit unhinged

Teenage Kirk stole a car and his choice was go to jail or join Starfleet

What happened when Voyager got home? Seven broke up with Chakotay like 30 pages in

Kirk gets cloned, and his clone becomes the sub of an evil invincible super genius and its all very gay

George Kirk was Robert April's first officer on the first ever mission of the unnamed starship with the Naval Construction Contract 1701

Robert is a hard-core pacifist and has to turn command over to George whenever it's time to fire weapons

Data becomes fully human for a couple of days and it's really sweet

They never say "wristwatch" or "phone", it's always "wrist chrono" or "personal comm"

There are gays but they don't say that word because it's the 1990's and Rick Berman runs the franchise

Spock has a son in the past with Zarabeth

Everyone in the post-Nemesis era does spy missions all the time non stop, as if Starfleet has abandoned exploring the cosmos for doing Space Mission: Impossible

Bashir does it better than anyone else, he takes on Section 31 from the inside

Remember Control? It's from the novels, except the novels do it SO MUCH BETTER.

Remember how we never found out who Future Guy was? We do.

It's very underwhelming, nobody we know

We find out how the Romulans and Vulcans split

Surak was a Vulcan internet blogger

A Borg Cube eats Pluto

Janeway dies

Janeway gets better

At least one TOS book features a wizard

There's a Star Trek TOS/Here Come the Brides crossover novel

It had cameos from The Doctor (as in, Who), Han Solo, Starbuck and others

Whole book series about Section 31

Whole book series about the Department of Temporal Investigations

One time they do the Bill and Ted thing to escape confinement and it works

Wanna know how Riker and Troi met?

Wanna know what Picard got up to on the Stargazer?

Andorians have 4 sexes and it's very complicated

Data comes back from the dead as Data 2.0, and it was fresh and exciting because it happened long before ST: Picard did it twice.

Lal comes back too and we get father/daughter android stuff! They have a home and everything but keep having to save the universe

One time Mirror Seven is led around on a leash naked on Terok Nor

Geordi becomes captain of the USS Challenger, decides it's not for him because plot, and goes back to engineering on the Enterprise

Kirk is shot on the bridge and dies

Kirk gets better

They watch 3D holos of old Doctor Who episodes in the Enterprise rec room

The Enterprise also has an AI named Moira, which was Zora long before Zora

The TOS crew get together for one last mission. About three times.

There's a Perry Mason book except it's about Kirk's lawyer from that TOS episode

Data 2.0 owns and runs a massive gambling empire on Orion

Spock keeps randomly showing up everywhere in the TNG era

Scotty keeps randomly showing up everywhere in the TNG era

Bones keeps randomly showing up everywhere in the TNG era

You're on Tumblr so you already know about Killing Time

There's a guy named McKenzie Calhoun and he's a total badass and captains a ship of weirdos and misfits

Kirk comes back from the dead, saves the galaxy repeatedly, has an intersex child (who identifies as male) with a Romulan/Klingon hybrid

Kirk beats up Worf

Kirk's child has superpowers

Kirk's child saves the galaxy at age 6

The Kirk stuff is 100% ignored in the other novels

About 50% of the novels are ignored in the other 50%, and the ones that are meant to be in direct continuity with each other aren't always quite

Just like the TV shows and movies, then

Lwaxana Troi meets Q, and it goes as well as you'd expect

Someone tells Data, yes you idiot you had emotions all along and he's like, oh shit you're right

McCoy is left in command of the Enterprise as a joke by Kirk, who is then immediately kidnapped

Ro Laren is captain of Deep Space Nine

Picard/Beverly is a thing, they get married and have a child named Rene. No running away and raising your kid in secret here

Riker and Troi are married, serve on the Titan together with a bunch of adorable weirdos and have a daughter named Tasha

You get to watch all the 24th century characters die horribly in the end along with their entire universe. Holy fuck it's a bleak horror show. Personally, I love it. But if that's not your cup of tea I'd skip the Coda trilogy

#star trek #star trek novels #star trek novelverse #star trek books #kirk #spock #picard #riker #troi #star trek tos #star trek tng #ds9 #Voyager #enterprise #add your own

[lostyesterday]

There’s an ethical question in Star Trek I’ve seen several people here talk about that I’ve thought about a lot. Basically, what are the ethics of having a romantic or sexual relationship with a non-sentient holographic version of a real person? This issue is brought up several times in canon, but never dealt with well, in my opinion. The main canon discussions of this topic that I remember (and it’s possible I forgot something) are in Booby Trap (TNG) where Geordi has a very brief romantic relationship with a holographic version of a real woman he’s never met, in Hollow Pursuits (TNG) where Barclay presumably has romantic/sexual relationships with extremely out of character holographic versions of Deanna and Beverly, in Meridian (DS9) where a guy wants Quark to sell him a holographic version of Kira to have sex with, and in Human Error (VOY) where Seven has a semi-long-term romantic and sexual relationship with a holographic version of Chakotay.

So, first of all, I don’t think that any of those instances mentioned are morally okay. Booby Trap is the most complicated case morally speaking since, to my memory, Geordi didn’t intentionally initiate anything romantic, though he didn’t stop it once it started either. I don’t want to imply that what Geordi did is morally as bad as the other examples I’m discussing, especially since Geordi is the only character of color being discussed here and his actions are not really equivalent in intention or impact to the other characters’. As an episode, Booby Trap doesn’t seem to have a clear idea of whether or not what Geordi is doing is unethical. In fact, it felt to me as if that question wasn’t something that occurred to the writers at all (until Galaxy’s Child, but that’s a whole other thing and the hologram portion of it is arguably the least messed up thing there, so I’m ignoring it in relation to this topic). Hollow Pursuits does portray what Barclay does negatively, but I feel like the episode is much more concerned with the negative emotional effects this has for Barclay rather than for Deanna and Beverly. Meridian, from what I remember, is the only episode to portray this situation as definitively bad, and Kira is portrayed as justified in being angry. However, the episode is a mess in other ways and does not explore the topic with nuance, making light of it with humor when I think it needed to be taken more seriously. Human Error is in some ways the most baffling case here because what Seven does is portrayed almost positively, as something that is a potentially good step in Seven’s “social development”. Apparently, there is no thought given to what Chakotay would think of the situation. I’ve seen people suggest that the narrative and fandom treatment of Seven versus the other characters is a gendered double standard, which I do think makes sense.

But the problem here isn’t having a sexual/romantic relationship with a hologram, the problem is that the person didn’t consent to having their holographic image used this way. There’s obviously nothing wrong with having sex or a relationship with a hologram not based on anyone’s image, or based on the image of someone who gave clear consent to have their image used in that way. But using someone’s image this way without their consent is pretty obviously analogous to making nonconsensual porn of someone. Do the ethics of this situation change if the hologram is of a historical figure? What about a famous person who is still alive? I don’t necessarily have answers here, but I do think the situation can become more complicated.

And then there’s another factor to consider – is the sexual/romantic relationship the biggest issue here? In the cases of Hollow Pursuits and Human Error, Barclay and Seven’s simulations of the crew are much more extensive than just the romantic/sexual portions. Would it have been all right for Barclay to create potentially offensive and demeaning holographic versions of his crewmates if there was no romantic/sexual component? Would it be okay for Seven to recreate a version of every Voyager crew member and live out an intricate alternate life with them without any of their consent if she never had romantic/sexual relationships with any of them? Is it any less a violation of someone’s rights to use their image without consent for, say, a propaganda campaign for an issue they disagree with, or a story that portrays their holographic version as a horrible person? That second scenario is the plot of the Voyager episode Author Author. This episode seems to take the moral stance that it’s bad for the Doctor to use the images of his fellow Voyager crew members to portray horrible characters, but there are other questions it doesn’t raise. Would it have been okay for the Doctor to use their images without consent if he had portrayed their holographic versions positively? What is the line between an acceptable and unacceptable usage of another person’s image without their consent? Is it ever okay to use a person’s holographic image without their consent? Is such consent implied when a person agrees to holographic scans of their body? What exactly is one consenting to when they consent to have a holographic version of themself created? I don’t necessarily have answers to these questions, I just wish any of these episodes had explored these issues with more nuance. And I do think that it’s important to consider extending the question of consent here beyond sex and romance.

#star trek tng #star trek ds9 #star trek voy #i do not mean any of this to be an attack on geordi seven barclay or the doctor as characters #i think all of this is more reflective of biases on the part of the writers than anything else #and it’s hard to place complete blame on particular characters when the moral stances of the episodes are so murky #lane posts

[jone-slugger]

Rewatching the episode where B'Elanna ends up being the muse of an alien version of Greek theater and I always laugh at the fact that the poet makes Janeway and Chakotay kiss the first chance he has. Like even this random alien guy who has never met them knows what's up 😂😂

#star trek #star trek voyager #voyager #kathryn janeway #st voyager #voy #janeway x chakotay #chakotay #janeway/chakotay #my lovelies #NOW... KISS!

[catgirljaneway]

#Trek thoughts #Star Trek #oh voyager #What silly little guys with so many issues #captain janeway #voyager #chakotay #seven of nine #tuvok #kathryn janeway #star trek janeway #harry kim

[bumblingbabooshka]

[TUVOKTOBER: Day 16] Mr. Human!

#species swap voyager: Vulcan Janeway / Human Tuvok / Hologram Kes / Human Seven / Human Doctor #<- She's in the delta quadrant bc she took up her parents' work after they got assimilated and is chasing the Borg. #I think fully human or fully klingon B'Elanna would be potentially fun if they did a meet up (by which I mean it would be very angsty) #Chakotay Tom and Harry are still humans and Neelix is still Talaxian #Kes is a hologram so she can still be an age that's not entirely understandable to others. She's still an adult even though she's #technically one or two years old just like the doctor is in the canon timeline #Janeway's name in this universe is K'tryn #Also the running gag with the doctor's name is that no one knows what it is and it's only revealed at the last episode #and it IS something very boring. Important: He's not trying to hide it he just keeps getting interrupted or he's busy or a loud noise plays #st voyager #Tuvoktober #st voyager fanart #bea art tag #I was torn between making him look the same age he does on the show or making him look middle aged #since he is Vulcan middle aged but it was already difficult to make him look 'like Tuvok' instead of just some guy #Also his Human name is like 'Taylor' for that same gender neutral feel

[elephant-in-the-pride-parade]

LEAKED SCRIPT FROM THE FINAL SCENE OF STAR TREK PRODIGY SEASON 2

Solum 2436: We open onto a two person Starfleet emergency shelter. It looks a little worse for wear. Hologram Janeway stands in the doorway looking out at the smoky skies and war torn landscape. In front of the shelter, Chakotay and his first officer Adreek Hu are attempting to start a fire.]

[A shadow crosses overhead. All three look up.]

Chakotay: Is that... Adreek Hu and Hologram Janeway: Voyager!

[The two men stand as a transport initiates nearby. Chakotay's face lights up as he sees two red uniforms.]

Chakotay: Kath - Seven!

[It's Jack Crusher II and Seven (Star Trek: Picard). They barely glance at Chakotay and Adreek Hu.]

Jack: I've got his coordinates. Chakotay: Hey! I'm right here. Seven: Just tell me where. Jack: Your nine o'clock.

[Seven points her phaser and hits a cloaking field. It drops, revealing a giant salamander wearing a red and white striped shirt and hat.]

Chakotay: "What?" Seven: "Of all the planets." [She taps her badge.] "Paris. I finally found your grandson" Paris over the comm: "Oh thank goodness. Lets get him out of that hell hole ASAP"

[Seven and Jack grab the Salamander and huddle close, preparing for a beam out.]

Seven: "What were you thinking running off like that, Waldo?" Waldo: "Just wanted to meet the New Earth branch, but I wound up in the wrong reality. It's just these guys."

[Now Seven and Jack finally seem to notice Adreek Hu and Chakotay.]

Seven: "Thanks for leading us right to him." Chakotay: "What about me?" Seven: [looks confused] "You? You had your chance 59 years ago." Waldo: Enjoy New New Earth.

[Adreek Hu runs up to the group preparing to transport.]

Jack: [taps his badge] Four to beam up. Chakotay: [sputters] Hey - how come he gets to go? Jack: [looks him dead in the eye] Birds aren't real.

#star trek prodigy #april fools #star trek

[trillscienceofficer]

Roxann Dawson thinking that the whole dream B'Elanna had about Chakotay in “Persistence of Vision” was more a reflection of B'Elanna's need to please and be loved than actual attraction (you can read an excerpt of an interview about this here) is SO funny, Chakotay is just the guy through whom all the women on Voyager sublimate their own brand of What's Wrong With Them

#you could literally say the same thing about c7 without changing a word and you wouldn't be wrong #janeway and chakotay are more complicated but imho fit this nonetheless lol the whole thing was all about janeway more than about him #voy

[leohtttbriar]

beyond the creativity of the whole starship being accidentally pulled into some sort of space-rut with space whales, all because evidently the starship and the giant space squids move about with like warp technology or something (always hard to figure out what star trek characters mean by "signatures"), beyond the way they first try to participate in the rut like an elk digging his antlers in the dirt to make himself seem bigger and then attacking some other elk-guy, beyond the way they're only participating in this sexual behavior as a collective organism in a ship that the first episode has already explained is in some way composed of biomatter is because they don't want to kill any of their weird alien suitors, beyond the way tuvok gets to say "guess we're not cute anymore" all while the other plot of the episode is kes being just so goddamn gross and secreting all sorts of nonsense all because the horny space-creatures and also because she wants to have a kid with neelix of all things, beyond the fact that the thesis statement to this episode is just attenborough aggressively explaining how weird sex is, beyond all that: the fact that chakotay says this straight-faced and sincere while looking up at janeway is wild.

chakotay frequently gets to be the character to acknowledge the particularity of the perspective of whatever creature the crew happens to be dealing with that episode. giving narrative utility to the character's sensitivity. in this very weird episode, they block it so when he offers the right solution to the plot, he's standing below janeway who mostly just seems to be frowning in confusion the whole of the episode and being somewhat useless but for listening to her crew. which seems significant.

and like two episodes later they have a plot be resolved through the logic of surrender. a strange mini-plot in the overarching one of trying to get back home: the power of yielding, of submitting, in a way that only undercuts dignity if one isn't choosing it. and chakotay speaks of biological behavior on a ship he never intended to be on, in a part of the galaxy he has no connection to, in a uniform he'd set aside very deliberately before being tossed thousands of light years away, second-in-command to someone who seems constantly caught between fighting and giving up, depending on who/what she's facing on any given plot-day.

like the participation in whale-alien sexual rituals is funny. but whoa.

#voyager #star trek #and then that lady says 'hey i'm pregnant by the way' at the end of the episode #like. they're all there now and there is actually no going back even if they get back #chakotay

[midnightlovestories]

I'm honestly so confused as to why the writers on Voy saw it necessary to throw in Seven / Chakotay romance into the End Game, because, putting aside the fact that it was entirely random, it's just ... so unnecessary. Even if they never intended to make J/C canon, C/7 is just entirely unnecessary. It doesn't bring anything valuable to that episode, it's lazy writitng and without it, End Game is actually a perfect series finale IMHO, I loved it.

But like, what was the point of throwing C/7 into it? Because Seven's death in itself would affect Janeway profoundly, and I mean PROFOUNDLY. Their relationship runs so deep it's practically impossible to categorize what they are to each other. Janeway would still go back in time and alter the timeline to save Seven because she loved her, this is how important Seven was in her life, and I don't care if you think it was romantic or platonic love - I wouldn't even care to categorize it, because the bond is just so deep.

It's different with Janeway and Chakotay because they clearly love each other romantically, and their bond runs bone-deep - deep love, deep fidelity, no half-measures - they would go to hell and back for each other. Janeway loves Seven and she loves Chakotay. And both Chakotay and Seven love Janeway and I really think they would both choose to pass on whatever (bullshit) attraction they might have felt towards each other other than hurt Janeway in that or any way. No, like honestly, they would NEVER. Seven wasn't stupid, she would never hook up with a guy someone so close to her heart as Janeway was to Seven, was clearly in love with. No matter what thinly veiled explanation you can come up with for Chakotay - it's wildly OOC for him to pursue Seven romantically - yes, I know, he's been screwed over by the writers in general but C/& is such a massive disservice to both of those characters.

I can't help to think that this randomness of C/7 was just writers being cunts to the J/C shippers for no other reason than being cunts. And that's it.

Because C/7 is totally irrelevant to End Game. It shouldn't be there.

#star trek voyager #janeway x chakotay #seven of nine & janeway #End Game #thoughts #re-watching ST Voy