i need to talk about csm 167 bc im seriously going through my harlan ellison arc seeing all these takes made by people who dont understand the nuance of chainsaw man as a story
cw // discussions of SA & sexual scenarios. also chainsaw man arc 2 spoilers
i understand that the most recent chapter of chainsaw man has taken a lot of people aback or out of the manga altogether. it was purposely shocking and gross, yes, but also … isnt that what chainsaw man has always been, literally since the very beginning of the story ??? like are we genuinely reading the same manga rn ??? this is tatsuki fujimoto we’re talking about. tatsuki “chops denji into bits literally within the first volume, crazy over the top gore panels, that one scene with himeno and denji at the bar” fujimoto. seeing the main character getting ripped in two with his entrails dangling many MANY times is fine i guess, but ONE ( 1 ) panel that depicts semen is “going too far” ??? fujimoto has never shied away from sexual themes and / or depicting sexual abuse and its consequences before so i dont understand why there’s such a shock and outrage over this chapter’s depiction of these same themes. also, arc 2 was already delving into darker and more serious topics, one of those being denji’s hypersexuality so … something like this was bound to happen eventually.
but now i’ll talk about the real meat and potatoes of it all, or something some csm fans seem to lack understanding of called nuance.
what happened between denji and asa was nonconsensual, but what many people aren’t acknowledging is that it was nonconsensual between both parties. yoru had total control of asa in that moment, which asa also did not consent to, and what she did was take advantage of denji’s hypersexuality to use against him. what yoru did was disgusting and wrong, but that’s the point. did everyone just suddenly forget that yoru is not asa’s friend, nor is she a good person at all ? she explicitly lays out her plans to actively use asa in order to get closer to denji, or more accurately chainsaw man, so that she can fight him and turn him into a weapon for her own personal gain. i don’t know how she could make it any clearer that she’s willing to go to extreme lengths to get to chainsaw man.
additionally, no one in csm is rly a “good person” in the first place. they’re all extremely flawed characters who do bad things and that’s realistic because people are extremely flawed and do bad things.
now, does any of this excuse yoru’s actions? absolutely not. but to act like using denji like that is above her is just ignorant, plain and simple.
ultimately, this chapter is setting up more conflict between asa and yoru’s / asa and denji’s dynamics, as well as more potential introspection for denji as a character.
if people start dropping csm for their own reasons over this chapter, fine. that’s a personal choice. but to act like something like this is totally out of left field for story as unfiltered chainsaw man is is, once again, ignorant. rant over goodbye
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what post r ppl leaving those tags on?!?
it’s an ofm.d post where i go over Izzy’s death foreshadowing… idek why people are reblogging it now bc i made it back when there were only eight episodes out, so it’s totally out of date, but there it is…
And like. tbf, rereading it, i guess my position isn’t ENTIRELY clear, but my thing is that i LOVE death foreshadowing and when characters i like have symbolically meaningful deaths, NOT that i hate him and was wishing death upon him, as these people are.
So it’s like. I see where they’re getting that from, and they’re absolutely entitled to their own opinions, but that is just very much NOT where i was coming from and really annoying to see in my notes with no way to block it out without just deleting the post (which i don’t wanna do bc i’m still proud of it, even if it’s out of date now).
And I know it’s not news that that fandom is a trash fire, but it was soooooooo much smaller and chiller when i made that post… it really just felt like me and my Boat Mutuals back then… And as soon as the fandom started getting big and toxic, i disengaged altogether and just enjoyed it with my friends for a bit until it lost its shine and we all moved on. I’m sure i’ll enjoy s2 with my friends again when it comes out, but the larger fandom doesn’t exist to me and i’ll probably do some mass-blocking ahead of s2 coming out, just to be safe bc, just from this tiny interaction, i’m tired of it.
@marcusbrutus - tagging you since you also asked what fandom it was about.
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