#bart's solo>tim's solo>kon's solo

[sarahreadstoomanycomics]

Every time I think about Kon, I think about how despite how much I love him as a character, I would never recommend his solo comic to anyone.

#it's like so bad #like not just in a bad writing way but in a this is gross way #as in why am i reading this who approved this way #it really is a shame too #like obviously there are some fun moments and all but i don't think it's worth it #unless your tolerance for reading adult being written in a gross way towards a teenager is high would not read #it's just i often think how much better Bart's solo is than Tim's #and definitely so much better than Kon's #it's like not even a competition you know #bart's solo>tim's solo>kon's solo #talking about the 90s comics here obviously #anyway thanks for reading my rambles

[lemonlimestar]

a little pre-valentines day doodle before the real deal tomorrow B)

#timkon #kon el #tim drake #bart (as in bug art) #superboy #red robin #dc #dc comics #fits are passed off some from their solos i don’t feel like pulling up the refs ajhdjaja

[klarioncall]

YJ’98 Band AU thoughts

Tim Drake: Arguing from the throne behind his kit that he’s always been the same kind of musician because The Piano Forte is technically a percussion instrument. <-willing to die on this hill. Kon: Giving him a dead eyed stare <-won’t give up on account of the fact that there’s a pretty Big Difference between a PIANIST and a DRUMMER, Tim! Cassie: Ignoring them, tuning. <-thinks Tim’s right, but won’t speak up until this starts to cut into practice time. Bart: Looking up really bad pictures of people holding guitars wrong and trying to convince the rest of the band to let him do that in official photo shoots. <-decided they were both right immediately, forgot to actually express the opinion.

Bart’s Phone:

This argument ends when Kon finds out what Bart’s doing. Bart’s gonna hold out his phone and Kon will say “Poor Baby” out loud.<- talking to the guitar

#“He’s the greatest guitarist of our generation” #[Picture of Bart. Holding a guitar backwards. The too long strap looped around his neck like a scarf] #I just think the idea of a guy who can do Van Halen solos perfectly going out of his way to do this is hilarious. #bart allen #young just us #young justice #yj98 #cassie sandsmark #kon el #tim drake #I’m a Tim Drake drummer truther it’s Him or it’s Cissie that’s it

[mamawasatesttube]

kon is actually a metaphor for adhd gifted kid burnout and im dying on this hill

#panels all from superboy '94 but i do not remember which issues sorry #tim has autistic swag. kon has adhd. bart has so much of both. this is why they make a fantastic trio #i set out to make a post about kon and strategizing (he's good at it when he's solo. he's not good at managing others) #but i got sidetracked by this instead. anyway #rimi talks #kon

[desperatecheesecubes]

Listen I’m all for more trans and otherwise gender divergent characters in dc comics but Kon didn’t want people to call him Superboy because he viewed himself as SuperMAN. He wanted agency and control over his own life through the means of emancipation from the authorities attempting to control him and his growth was learning to both allow himself to be a kid and to mature mentally.

#gnc Kon always felt a bit odd to me as an interpretation like I think Kon low key that Dude Guy that’s almost the friend groups token #straight but is actually a confused bisexual #lol I love him dearly #anyway if I’m gonna campaign for any of the Young Just Us crew to be GNC Bart is top of my list that boy is an any pronouns speedster and #you can’t change my mind #anyway ideal storyline for Kon for me would be he and Tim both figure out new identities Kon admits he wants to make out with Tim #Tim has a crisis about liking both Bernard and Kon before realizing he had two hands and they all end up in a very happy thruple #because I’m timkon trash to the ends of my days but also dc shouldn’t hire me because Kon deserves his own solo ongoing again #mine #conner kent #not me going off in the tags #Kon el

[americana709]

Tim y Kon son buenos hermanos mayores... pero solo para Bart.

Quiero decir, si vamos por el pensamiento de que a Tim no le agrada Damian por los intentos de asesinato y sus constantes insultos y que Kon decidió que no quiere tener nada que ver con Clark y ningún miembro de su familia después de todos los malos tratos que tuvo que soportar por el.

Tim desprecia abiertamente a Damian y constantemente quiere estar lejos de él.

Kon trata a Jon con indiferencia, lo ignora cuando lo llama y le lanza las mismas miradas de despreció que Clark le solía lanzar a Kon.

Y luego esta Bart, tanto Tim como Kon lo miman constantemente, le compran cosas, se ríen de sus chistes incluso cuando son malos, lo llevan a lugares diferentes para divertirse como el cine y los parques de atracciones y pasar el rato... entre hermanos.

A Damian no le importaba al principio, pero después Allen se rompió la pierna una vez y vio como Drake lo llevaba a todas partes, lo cuida y lo trataba... bien, no como lo hace Grayson (extremadamente dulce al punto de ser asfixiantes) o como lo hacía Todd (reírse cuando hace el ridículo y burlarse de el después) lo trataba con amabilidad y sus abrazos no parecían asfixiantes, Drake trataba a Allen como si fuera el ser más importante para su existencia... y por alguna razón eso hizo que Damian lo mirara como si fuera lo más despreciable, eso le costó un insulto por parte de Drake (el jura a ver escuchado a Allen reírse con eso)

Jon se sentía confundido, cuando estaba junto a Kon el lo ignoraba o lo miraba como si fuera la misma Kriptonita que le quita todos sus poderes, siempre con odio y resentimiento en sus ojos, pero después entraba Bart instantáneamente Kon le daba toda su atención, lo miraba como si fuera el mismísimo sol, siempre con aprecio y adoración en el, Bart hablaba y Kon siempre lo escuchaba con adoración en sus ojos, cuando trataba de llamar la atención de Kon (¡el estaba con Jon primero!) Su mirada cambiaba en el mismo momento en que sus ojos se cruzaban, volvían a ser fríos y con ese despreció absoluto en sus ojos (puede jurar que por un breve momento que Bart parecía divertido)

Bart era consciente de esta diferencia de tratos y sinceramente no podía sentirce más afortunado, solía seguir y mirar a Wally de la misma forma que lo hacen esos niños, pero lo único que conseguía era que el lo echará a un lado, siempre quiso un hermano mayor, cuando era niño había escuchado de lo increíbles que eran y de cómo cuidaban y amaban al hermano menor, el quería eso y cuando conoció a Wally pensó que lo tendría, pero después él lo aparto como si fuera un trapo socio y por más que se esforzaba nada cambiaba y eso le dolió, pero después Tim y Kon vinieron un día y Wally dejó de importarle, Tim siempre lo cuidaba y le recordaba lo mucho que lo quería, Kon siempre le prestaba atención y lo miraba como si fuera el mismo sol que le da sus paredes... si... esto era lindo.

Lo primero que sintió Tim cuando Damian aparecía fue esperanza, el siempre había querido un hermanito al quien cuidar y adorar, pero esas esperanzas desaparecieron cuando el trato de matarlo y otra vez y otra vez y otra vez, nadie nunca hizo nada al respecto y eso le dolió, nadie dijo nada cuando le lanzaba esos comentarios hirientes a Tim, nadie dijo nada cuando se tuvo que mudar porque temía por su vida... nadie hizo nada, y después todos a su alrededor comenzaron a morir, Kon, Bart, Bruce... se sentía impotente, vulnerable, el quería a su hermano mayor... pero después vio a Damian con su traje y a Dick con el traje de Bruce, Dick le dio a Robin a Damian, Damian le robó lo único que le quedaba de Bruce, Dick lo ignoró y amenazó cuando le dijo que Bruce estaba vivo, no se disculpo cuándo demostró tener razón y Damian se quedó con Robin, se burlo al respecto y lo insulto y otra vez nadie hizo nada, el absoluto desprecio que sintió por Damien desde ese momento no podía describirse, el odiaba a Damian, y Bart era el único hermano que necesitaba.

Kon aún recuerda la primera vez que conoció a... eso, Clark le había insistido en que valla a visitarlo a su casa, dijo que tenia una sorpresa (odió como le hablo como si nunca lo hubiera deshumanizado con esa misma boca) cuando llegó lo primero que vio fue a un bebé, el lo miró por unos segundos cuando en niño se río (se río de él) "el es tu hermanito, se llama Jonathan" Kon volvió a mirar a... Jon y no sinto nada más odio "el echo de que compartimos ADN no me convierte en tu hijo y definitivamente no convierte a eso en mi hermano" y procedió a cerrar la puerta de un portazo... la cosa lloro casi de inmediato "yo recibí tratos peores que eso sin siquiera tener dos días de nacido" fue lo que pensó al escuchar el llanto.

Tim desprecia a Damian, el le quito todo lo que una vez significó algo para el.

Kon es indiferente ante Jon, ese niño desde el momento en qué fue concebido obtuvo todo por lo que Kon tuvo que suplicar.

Damian se siente incómodo, Drake lo trata como si fuera la causa de todos los males del mundo.

Jon esta confundido, por más que lo intente no logra que Kon lo mide de otra forma que no sea odio.

Bart esta encantado, tiene dos hermanos mayores increíbles que lo adoradan y lo quieren con la misma intensidad que el.

#No se que acabó de hacer #Estaba buscando algo angustioso y tierno al mismo tiempo #Solo conseguí la angustia #Nadie es el malo de la historia #Todos buscan lo mismo #Amor #Sinceramente Clark es el culpable de los problemas de Jon #Kon lo odia y por extensión también a su hijo #Ups mis acciones pasadas tienen consecuencias #Bruce y Dick trataron de hacer que Tim hable con Damian #Spoiler no funcionó #Tim lo odia el doble ahora #Bart es simplemente feliz #Tim Drake #Kon-El #Bart Allen #Jonathan Kent #Damian Wayne

[cherrystainedknuckles]

"I love young justice, especially timkonbart!" you do not love young justice.

#IM SORRY BUT COME ON #like.... if you ONLY like the boys in young justice #you do not like young justice #you read issue 1 and was like “oh this must be the rest of the comic” #like 5% of the comic is just tim + kon + bart #the entire 95% rest of it has the girls and tbh greta and cissie have larger and better character arcs than the boys #considering that the boys' character arcs tended to take place inside of their solo runs #so the young justice comic itself. tbh. is centered around the girls #if you only love the core four you do not love young justice #you like teen titans volume 3 #which imo is a crime unforgivable

[yuriinadress]

Okay okay I know we're all upset about the lack of timber content in the Tim Drake Pride Special but I'm still gonna scream about the parts that I loved

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS BELOVED???? (manifestation #1 achieved!)

BART THE HEDGEHOG ADGAHAJSJS

RXYUVBUHIYSUS (they should team up more often)

THEY'RE BESTIES!!!!! (manifestation #2 achieved!) (they're gonna bully tim SO hard)

ok that's it :)

#seriously tho my boy got one page and ONE LINE #I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING IDENTITY SHENANIGANS #MAYBE EVEN A KISS??? #oh well 2 out of 3 is better than none #i actually enjoyed the mystery tho #timbern #tim drake #bernard dowd #cassandra cain #bart allen #conner kent #kon el #stephanie brown #dc #dc pride 2022 #timber #now i REALLY need that tim solo just to see detective williams again #detective williams #yuri yelling

[bobbinalong]

saw someone say that tim, kon and bart share one brain cell and tim has it most of the time, but tim is so incredibly insane in the robin issues i've read that that cannot possibly be true. they all share one braincell and a rat stole it years ago

#i haven't read kon's solo so i cant really comment on him. BUT i have read impulse and a bit of robin (steph issues) #so like. when bart has the brain cell he occasionally misplaces it but he always finds it again #tim is just not interested in the brain cell. it's laying on the floor dying while he goes off to do some insane bullshit

[overdramaticrobins]

im soooooo normal about this

#SUPERCYCLE??? IN 2022??? #tim drake #kon el #bart allen #cassie sandsmark #tims solo is gonna grab me by the throat i s2g #already has and its not even out yet

[hauntingblue]

I REALLY don't get what dc is doing with Tim and Damian. Damian was doing really good with this robin solo while his team up with the teen titans hadn't worked, and now that they pulled out Tim out of his Robin/Red Robin-but-with-robin-unifrom limbo with urban legends they put him back to Robin and cancel Damian's run?? Am I the only one that sees how this could easily be solved by letting Damian be Robin and maybe find his new identity in his solo and put Tim back in a Young Justice run to do the same?

#we could have a robin solo and a robin team player as they both find themselves but noo... #people really like tim in yj and dc just ignores that #why oh why are kon and bart in his solo then???? #tim drake #robin #red robin #damian wayne #young justice #batfam #batfamily #dc

[isfjmel-phleg]

Generally the tone of these new younger superhero comics was much lighter than what had been prevalent in the pages of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash. Robin was a series about a young detective and tech genius; Superboy was a sci-fi beach serial; and Impulse was a high school [sic] student teenaged superhero obsessed with video games, cursed with short attention span, and who had no desire to plan for the future. Bart was popular at school, if only accidentally, and had little interest in girls. Impulse did address many issues that teenagers of the time dealt with, particularly surrounding responsibility and popularity, and always did so with a keen sense of wit and humor--with an awareness that seemed to acknowledge both genre and audience. [...] The comic resonated with younger and older audiences because of a perceived authenticity of the character. While other comics of the era had decidedly gone darker--Batman had recently had his back broken and Superman [had been] killed--the kid from the future helped to bring back lightheartedness to the comics of the 1990s.

Louie Dean Valencia-Garcia, "An Impulsive Teen from the Future: Imaging Youth, Virtual Reality and the Digital Future at the Turn of the Millennium" from The Ages of the Flash: Essays on the Fastest Man Alive, edited by Joseph J. Darowski

#comicsposting again #TD: he lived so others wouldn't die #KE: all I got is who I am #BA: fastest attitude alive #Tim's solo is a teen drama/crimefighting adventure #Kon's is a sci-fi Disney Channel show with zero self-awareness #and Bart's of course is a sitcom

[whalehouse1]

I kind of find it funny that out of YJ98 my three favorite team members are Cissie, Anita and Bart. I don’t dislike the rest (Kon is just reminding me a lot of stuff from back then that I didn’t care for, Cass needs a slap for the “why can’t ppl just be who we want them to be” and I just don’t care for Lobo) but those three are just good. I do wonder why Anita speaks like a Jamaican even though she’s from the bayou though mon.

#cissie king jones #arrowette #impulse #bart allen #anita fite #empress dC #Tim’s fine but he just fades into the bg a bit we’ll see if it changes when I read his first solo #and I like Suzie/Greta but starting with her fight with Steph #she seems like she goes from 0-100 in a second #I do love Red Tornado’s sass though #him asking about bg checks for Anita and Lobo was great #also Tim and Kon had the best baseball uniforms

[iron-sides]

oh my god i love that when impulse got cancelled bart just moved back in with yj thats wonderful

#my thots #BARTS BACK EVERYONE CLAP AND CHEER FOR MY SILLY GUY!!!! #bee liveblogs! #i LOVE bart ray and kon complaining about their solo serieses getting nixed and being mad at tim bc he's still going strong #thats hilarious and i love how only just ever so slightly leans on the fourth wall its so good #yj 98 #💥

[zahri-melitor]

In terms of trying to transplant how Dick’s generation grew up to independent adult heroes onto Tim’s generation, one of the significant issues is that the two groups have very different backstories.

The Fab Five and their generation were largely cared for children with present guardians during their teen years. Their ‘growing up’ rebellion moments were about wanting to establish their own identities separate to their parent/guardian. Then once NTT occurred and new young adult characters were added to it, you had a bunch who were escaping overbearing guardians with expectations the young adult didn’t want to fulfil, and leaving trauma behind.

The Core Four and other 90s heroes, in contrast, were mostly latchkey kids. They had loving but absent parents and parental figures. They were largely expected to grow up and show they were independent in their early teens. The arcs of their stories were not about growing up and finding themselves and ‘be your own person’, but about learning to trust others and interdependency and working together.

Like the shape of a Fab Five story is ‘in my preteens or earlier a Disaster Happened and I was taken in by a hero who cared for me and taught me the business as their sidekick. Then around 18-20 I moved out to live in a sharehouse with my friends as I wanted to find who I was outside of the shadow of being a sidekick’.

While…Tim’s generation largely aren’t sidekicks in the same sense. The shape of THEIR stories are of ‘teenager with largely absent adults is expected to grow up and show emotional maturity too early’. It’s actually notable that Tim, Kon and Bart all have long term story arcs that involve gaining a stable household right near the end.

Kon’s entire solo is the story of how he is neglected and exploited by every adult around him. He doesn’t have parents. He’s Peter Pan, the little boy who cannot grow up, who lives without parental expectation. He’s a celebrity kid exploited by Rex Leech and by CADMUS, who’s expected by those around him to act in an adult manner and held to that standard while simultaneously specifically being underage and not having the right to make his own decisions. His final arc in Superboy is about being so abandoned he doesn’t even have CADMUS to depend on anymore so he has to find an apartment and a job (the building superintendent) and is expected to act and function like an adult in that position. Superboy #59 (FIFTY NINE) is when Kon finally gets his own name. Superboy #100 is ABOUT Kon moving in with Jonathan and Martha Kent and finally having a stable home environment where he can be a child. Heck Kon’s already had a story where he’s ‘married’ and responsible for a kid. He’s had solo space adventures.

Bart’s solo is about Bart and Max learning to be a family together, but also: Bart’s childhood didn’t contain parents. Meloni turns up occasionally through his solo and loves him but also has to disappear away back to the 30th century at the end of each appearance. The final arc of Bart’s solo is about him moving in with Jay and Joan Garrick for more stability, because Max has disappeared (and stays disappeared). And then, post his solo, Bart even already has HAD an arc where he had to grow up and assume the Flash mantle (which went horribly wrong and led to his death).

Tim? Tim’s entire solo is about upheaval and change. The first time he’s expected to behave as an independent hero, not a sidekick, is literally Robin #1 when Azbats kicks him out of the Cave. Jack threatens to send him away to boarding school on multiple occasions and DOES for the Brentwood arc. He loses Jack, he loses Dana, he moves out to be a hero caring for his own city at 16, in Bludhaven post War Games. Bruce’s adoption of Tim was all about giving him back that sense of stability and support so that Tim had people backing him up again in his personal life and not only as a hero. And then he does the ‘leave and get a new identity’ thing during Red Robin.

And Cassie? Cassie starts with a loving mother and her story arc over becoming a hero is about periods of operating on her own. She moves away from her mum to go to Elias School. Due to operating as a hero under her own name she eventually has to come up with the alias of Drusilla Priam to give herself a non-public identity to retreat to (and isn’t living with Helena Sandsmark but renting on her own during this period to protect Helena).

This is a set of characters for whom it makes no narrative sense to tell a story of them growing up by ‘moving out and finding their own identity as separate heroes’ because their entire PAST is about being alone and looking for connections and people to rely upon. They haven’t been looking for their mentors to accept them as independent adults, they’ve been looking to their mentors to be present and work with them.

They have already all BEEN through the steps of moving out (while underage) and learning to look after themselves as nobody else was there to support them. Growing up for them is about learning to trust and be respected for the skills they already have and trusted to know what they’re doing, rather than leaving to show they can operate independently.

And that’s a harder narrative to show, because it’s a less common growth story in our culture. But in the Core Four’s case, I’d argue a lot of the traditional signifiers of adulthood (moving out; moving away for education; taking responsibility for a city on their own; travelling for quests) are things they were already expected to do while still significantly underage, and so sending them through that plot again isn’t showing anything new to allow them growth. What they need is the adults around them to treat them as adults for the things they already can and do do.

#dc meta #core four v fab five

[desperatecheesecubes]

Bart speaking for the people

#bart allen #mine #impulse 9 #they should give him another solo #come on Tim’s got one and so does Kon it’s Bart’s turn