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khaotunq · 1 year
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Seduction 101, according to Ayan: Step 27/?: A little gentle teasing after he not-at-all-dramatically saves your life is never a bad thing. Builds character, or something.
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Hello. For violence, number 12 & 13 please. Have a wonderful day! Rose💜
Hello Rose! Thank you for choosing violence today.
12. The unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them
Dynamite Chuchok. 
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(I love you baby boy, don't you worry)
I do not understand why so many people hated that boy. I love me a happy!sad, and that boy was one of them. I loved how vibrant and open he was about his sexuality, with how vocal he was about his feelings for Fire, that boy is so so brave. He has suffered a lot, he has lost so much, and he refuses to live his life inauthentically. He knows when to push, when to back off, he knows where the boundaries are, where to take space, make space, give space, and he understands exactly why Fire is scared to come out to his Mom. I mean, Dynamite (and Prem) jeopardizes his friendship with Unky in order to keep his relationship with Fire secret and experiences the consequences of Unky being mad that Dynamite didn’t out Fire. 
It is very rare that I feel compelled to write posts about characters in order to defend them, but that is exactly what I was doing when I wrote this Dynamite body language post.
Also, because this is the Choose Violence Ask Game. I will throw out a hot take:
if Mark Pakin had played Dynamite and the character had been exactly the same, we would not have seen the level of hate for Dynamite we saw for Aungpao's Dynamite. So.
Other characters I love with my whole being but that seem to have some contentious relationships to fandom are: Sailom from Wedding Plan, Patts from La Pluie, and Teh from I Told Sunset About You and I Promised You The Moon.
13. Worst blorboficiation
First Kanaphan. 
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Not a character I know, but it has to be said. 
I love that man, but holy shit we need to stop baby-girl-ifying him. And when I say ‘we’ here I don’t just mean BL fans. I mean GMMTB themselves. First is an incredible actor, but the writers and directors always end up babygirl-ifying his characters by the end of their shows. Let! That! Man! Act! 
He can cry so well, it’s true. I understand the desire to let him cry on camera. I understand that his face and those stupid big brown baby cow eyes make it really really easy for him to become blorbo-able but dear GOD I am BEGGING someone to LET THAT MAN HAVE A CONSISTENT CHARACTER. I love Akk, I love him, but the way they handled his character makes him mushy, Sand started out really sarcastic with a kind of take no bullshit attitude and then became this simp, Yok was a phenomenal little slut who FUCKED A FUCKING COP and then cried when the cop (surprise surprise) betrayed him. 
As a point of comparison, the first show I saw Khaotung in was The Eclipse, so you could color me surprised when he showed up all tiny and timid and kind in A Tale of 1000 Stars. Because Ayan was kinda an asshole the entire show. He had a very specific personality that was sustained throughout the show. First did not have the same luxury.
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kwonzoshi · 1 year
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Top 10 Best BL Boys of 2022
10.) Mangkorn [Big Dragon]
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- I’ll tell you right now, when I started Big Dragon, I did not expect to like either of the characters. Yet SOMEHOW this tall lanky fuck ended up winning me over. He’s complicated, can’t communicate for shit and has so much love to give.  
9.) Tankhun [Kinnporsche]
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- Where do I even start... this man is funny, fashionable and loves his family/friends deeply. He gets written off as crazy and is EXTREMELY misunderstood but has the BIGGEST brain in that family. I mean he truly holds the only braincell in the compound. This man deserves so much more than he is given, and I love him to pieces.
8.) Nuea [Secret Crush on You]
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-The definition of his crazy matches my crazy. The way he accepted and loved Toh for everything he was. NEVER asked him to change and met him wherever he was at, incredible. He always stood firm on his feelings, even when he wasn’t sure Toh felt the same. 
7.) Wasuwat [The Eclipse]
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- He was cute, artsy, funny and smart as hell. I respected the hell out of him for not accepting whatever the fuck KhanThua tried to do at the beach and I respect his quick thinking even more. He is loyal and will do anything for his friends. Even put more work on his plate. 
6.) Khondiao [Cutie Pie]
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- Literal ray of sunshine. Though most of the story he seems weak, he is strong as hell. He handles himself, Hia Yi, Kuea and so much more with grace. He is an amazing friend and an even better partner. His patience with Yi deserves to be rewarded. I mean that. 
5.) Jao [Secret Crush on You]
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- Literal ray of sunshine number 2. Watching his story develop and him gain confidence in himself was one of the highlights of the show. As a friend, he was ten toes down for his Alphabet Mafia and I love him for that. 
4.) Payu [Love in the Air]
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- Y’all may disagree with me but this man is one of the best boyfriends in all of BL. He took Rain under his wing, and while the beginning of their relationship wasn’t the best, he really did everything to make sure Rain was being careful and responsible. He also lays the pipe down, what more can someone want?
3.) Ayan [The Eclipse]
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- He is the definition of “I’m hurt but I’ll heal you.” The way he cared for Akk even though he could’ve easily just let him rot, is why he is top 3. He knew what Akk was doing from the beginning but he noticed that he was suffering, just like he was. The way he was with his supposed ‘enemy’ just shows that his character was pure of heart and just trying to find closure. Green flags everywhere.
2.) Akk [Enchanté]
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- I’M ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE, AKK DESERVED BETTER. This man shoved all of his feelings to the side to help the man he has loved since they were children. Even though it hurt. Even though it was KILLING him. He was supportive and loyal. The way he forgave Theo and just continued to give him the same energy... he is incredible. And the way he was waiting to fulfill promises they made to each other as kids?! Where do I find an Akk?!
1.) Pluem [Ghost Host, Ghost House]
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- I will take ZERO criticisms or arguments. Pluem Pitiphong is THE best BL boy of 2022. He was loving, understanding, gentle, caring and just everything he could be for Kevin. He had his low moment but he’s human and it was honestly, mild. He loved Kevin with every fiber of his being from the moment he met him. HE WAITED FOR THREE YEARS FOR HIM. Patiently. Quietly. He faced his fears and worked on himself to be the best he could be for the man he loved and I respect the absolute hell out of him for that. He is the GREENEST of green flags and this is why he is number 1 on my list. 
HONORABLE NON-BL MENTION:
Yeon Sieun [Weak Hero Class 1]
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- I have to mention him because while it WASN’T a BL, there were gay undertones. Sieun was loyal and devoted as a friend. He was willing to put his safety and his life on the line for Sooho and even risked jail time for him. He went from ‘couldn’t be bothered’ to ‘if you touch a hair on his head, i will kill you’ and I LOVE THAT. He is quiet, intelligent and full of so much love for the people he cares about. He was deeply misunderstood and even then, he wasn’t full of hate or resentment. He just took care of business. 
🚨Disclaimer:
This is simply my personal opinion from the shows I watched this year. This isn’t to say there aren’t more that could fit this category, these are just MY choices for my list. Thank you ♡
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bengiyo · 1 year
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Our Skyy 2 x The Eclipse Ep 1 Stray Thoughts
I am unreasonably excited to see Akk, Ayan, and company again. I loved The Eclipse, and continually lament the shortened episode order on the back half. I wanted Golf to complete all of their ideas, so I’m hoping that this gets them a chance to finish. Still, First and Khaotung like working together and care a lot about each other, so I’m excited to see them get to play at boyfriends together for a fun outing.
This is week five and the intro song is not growing on me.
I know we’re all going to make a lot of Brokeback Mountain references, but the first meeting is giving Big Enough.
Of course it was another Akk dream sequence. They’re never letting us live that down.
Love that we are calling out the film directly. Akk is correct. The ending is too sad. If you think Brokeback Mountain is too sad, I urge you to see the director’s (Ang Lee) earlier work: The Wedding Banquet (1995).
Ayan is so cheesy in a way that really works for me. He’s one of my favorite BL boys because he’s grounded in the unfortunate real trauma of losing gay elders that were important to you. He responded to that by loving Akk loudly and directly. Even as he delineates what a place and a space are, he takes the chance to flirt with his boyfriend.
Okay, I don’t normally want to question production decisions, but camping equipment can be so heavy in bulk. Why are they eating on heavy ceramic plates and drinking out of glasses, but they’re sitting on camping chairs and using a foldable table? Also, why is this grill so close to their tent? It’s dangerous to leave food preparation so close to your sleeping area.
Ayan definitely knows about Akk’s birthday, and likely already has something planned. I think he’s teasing him to see if Akk will bring it up on his own because Akk consistently struggles with expressing what he actually wants.
Golf has so much to say in their work. This quick debate about how much, how often, and how hard to care about others feels like a deep meditation upon which we’ve not even scratched the surface.
Nobody told me we was frolicking!
It’s 2023 and we all verse now! I see what they did with that rider conversation.
Oh, I just got sad that this might be the last time we see Neo and Louis paired.
Pawin stays busy, let me tell you. He’s 3/3 right now with Our Skyy 2.
I love seeing work from filmmakers who love film. Golf going out of their way to highlight and bring attention to the Thai Film Archive warms my heart.
Fun fact: Khom Khongkiat, who we are familiar with for his work on KinnPorsche and The Promise and the role of Uncle Tong in Bad Buddy, was a screenwriter on Ong Bak.
Ong-Bak, but make it gay, was not on my bingo board for Our Skyy 2, but it probably should have been.
I see we’re still doing the Wat and Teacher Sani plot.
Everyone clearly had such a fun time making this fantasy sequences calling back to classic Thai film.
I know we’ve seen Mork’s actor before, and it’s bothering me that I can’t remember where.
Look at Wat starting shit. First, encouraging this split, and then making them sleep apart. I’m here for this drama.
Genuinely loved the cross-cutting between the pairs talking about their relationship problems. Not sure if the translation of Akk feeling like Ayan only focusing on himself is coming across clearly to me, but I am reading it such that Akk feels that Ayan is not sensitive to the way his actions and words impact others.
I’m okay with how often they’ve been taking off Neo’s shirt.
I like how unsubtle the political themes are, and how they’re being expressed textually through the couples’ current tension. It works for me because these issues do cause problems in people’s real relationships.
So glad this show got to do product placement this time.
I need Akk and Ayan to talk to each other properly. They’re both so stubborn and tend to dig in their heels.
I really like the way Neo and Louis kiss. Excited to see Neo in Only Friends.
The fake moons in BL always bother me.
First and Khaotung are so good at yearning at each other, but I am worried about Akk and Ayan long term. I don’t think Akk was wrong to talk about how he feels like he gets pushed around by Ayan.
I am so glad to be back with these boys. The Eclipse had some really clear ideas in it that are still present here, and I’m always happy to see Golf continue to work out their ideas in their fiction. Can’t believe I get to see them again tomorrow!
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Hi!! Top 5 couples of the year, go!
Whats this? Making me interact with people on a regular basis! :)
This one is super easy!
PayuRain (BossNoeul) - Love in the Air
Easily my favourite couple from this year and definitely one of my favourite couples ever.
I found them fascinating. I know when the series was airing there was so much discussion around their D/s dynamic. I know I also mention it a lot. It was just interesting to see a couple engage in a 24/7 dynamic and how that works into everyday life. And they also showed sides to D/s that weren't the stereotypical types that are often shown in media. Pretty sure I want my own Payu.
Plus you know they had my soul at Noeul laying on a couch moaning Daddy.
Boss and Noeul also enter the very exclusive club of ships that I cannot decide who I am attracted to more. Currently BounPrem are the only other couple in there!
I repeat - I WILL CRY IF BOSS AND NOEUL DON'T DO ANOTHER SERIES TOGETHER
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VegasPete (BibleBuild) - Kinnporsche
Well it's VegasPete. What explanations do we need?
I went into Kinnporsche knowing nothing about the storyline and so VegasPete kind flew under the radar because they didn't have huge interactions at first but by god did that all change. Completely took over the show for me. I was and still am obsessed with that sex scene.
The intricacies in their characters and the debates it generated were phenomenal. They had so many great moments and I'm so glad we got the post-credit scene.
Plus the Kinnporsche fandoms has to be one of the best fandoms I have seen in a long time.
BibleBuild were amazing and I hope I get to see them in something soon.
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WinTeam (BounPrem) - Between Us / Until We Meet Again
Ah so glad Between Us is this year and I can include them.
I adored WinTeam straight off the bat in UWMA. I love a snarky/grumpy Team and a caring Win.
Between Us is building on their characters so much and you can really see how much love and thought Boun and Prem are putting into it.
So we are in the lack of communication phase of the story but you have to admit they do some of the best longing for each other and staring into their eyes looks.
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Jang JaeYoung/Chu SangWoo (Park Seoham/Park Jaechan) - Semantic Error
The chemistry between Seoham and Jaechan is amazing. I can't believe we almost didn't get it. Kudos to Jaechan for sticking his ground and not letting his management team talk him out of it. (And really DKZ have completely profited from the show's success so even more kudos)
I don't know if the intention was there to play SangWoo as neurodivergent but either way that's how it came off and JaeYoung just taking that in his stride (for the most part) was brilliant.
I went into this show not knowing who either Seoham or Jaechan were and I remember thinking how beautiful Seoham was and unfortunately Jaechan didn't get a look in until that moment when SangWoo takes his hat off and shakes his wet hair, I was ah yes JaeYoung I'm right there with you.
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LianKuea (ZeeNuNew) - Cutie Pie
This series truly sent me down a Thai BL rabbit hole for a while!
Zee and NuNews chemistry is outstanding. I really enjoyed the older/younger man relationship. Even though it was a relationship with problems (I guess going from friends to lovers comes with its own issues) and they both went about things in stupid ways I'm glad we got to see them communicate and work it out in the end.
I enjoyed the fandom going crazy each week.
I am thrilled at the announcement of ZeeNew's new series for 2023 and I think it's currently my most anticipated series for the 2023 lineup.
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Couples I had to bump off this list but feel guilty at doing so:
AkkAyan (FirstKhao) - The Eclipse
Mostly I just loved Ayan and the little shit he was
PrapaiSky (FortPeat) - Love in the Air
I loved them and the storyline, truly I do.
SkyJao (HengSurprise) - Secret Crush on You
I loved how Sky just saw Jao for Jao
NueaToh (BillySeng) - Secret Crush on You
Hella messy but adored that Nuea accepted Toh
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This Week in BL
Sept 2022 Wk 2
Being a highly subjective assessment of one tiny corner of the interwebs. Organized by which ones (in each category) I’m enjoying the most.
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Ongoing Series - Thai
The Eclipse (Fri YT) Ep 5 of 15 - Ayan is such a little blackmailing shit, but I love it for him. Also, they brought class into play. Which I always enjoy for added conflict. More longing gazes. Really these two are the kings of the longing gaze. Thua repping for overachieving queers. I see you baby boi. Omg Akk please just figure it out! Honestly? I wanted the Gifted but actually gay, and I got Blacklist but actually gay. Which is kinda of the same thing. So I’m pretty flipping happy. 
My Only 12% (Fri iQIYI) Ep 5 of 15 - Oh boy. This was a rough one. (Still, sisters in BL = some of the best sisters in the world?) That scene with Eiw and his sister made me cry. When I talk about the frustration that I have with tropes like “kill the gay” or “keep them apart” and Chinese censorship, this is what I’m talking about. There have to be queer shows with happy endings because otherwise we don’t have a model for it being a possibility. Also, is this a foreshadow? Maybe. And then that scene with Cake trying to figure out what’s going on and not understanding and them just hurting each other = heartbreaking. On the flip end of my questionable taste spectrum: Peak sure knows how to play nong for a Thai take on classic noona romance and I am here for it (stalker photos tho, please don’t). For a more nuanced look at this ep read this. 
Vice Versa (Sat on YT) Ep 9 of 12 - Perth’s character was a waste of, well, everything. Tun is such a needy af bf. Jeez. Hi Mix! You’re so cute. I like that Mix is the hottie outsider character du jour these days for GMMTV. Happy to have Mix show up as needed. Nothing much happened, I guess Tun’s choices are more understandable but he’s still a liar. 
What If (Mon WeTV) on WeTV for VIP only (pay wall) Ep1-4 of 5 - from Wabi Sabi with all unknowns, starts very cute with middle school kids meeting, realizing they are neighbors and becoming besties. The hair is particularly terrible in this one. But it’s a fun dynamic with the younger one having the crush. It’s a short one (7 Project style) but the pacing is good and I’m enjoying it. Not sure if it will end well, tho. 
Coffee Melody (Mon Viki) Ep 8 of 10 - Evil ex faen fatal booted. Yi and Pleng are sweeter than Jean (or I) can take. Jean is my precious child who thinks no one will take him seriously. Nothing happened. I’m bored. 
Love in the Air (Thurs iQIYI) Ep 4 of 13 - it drove me to the dark side and and so I wrote a limerick. DUMPSTER FIRE TRASH WATCH ALONG HERE.
Unforgotten Night (Weds on GaGa) Ep 12fin - There is a moral to this “story” but I’m not sure what it is. Don’t combine your BDSM-but-not-really BL pulp with plumbing issues? In the end, this dumpster fire was extinguished by a garden hose and all we’re left with is leaky pipes and the smell of damp trash. The only kinks were in the hose. Could be worse, I suppose. Hard to imagine how, tho. (Finished  TRASH WATCH HERE)  5/10 WATCH IT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO, BUT I WARNED YOU
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Ongoing Series - Not Thai
Takara-kun and Amagi-kun (Japan Thurs GaGa & Viki) 4 of 8 - This is such an adorable show. I know I keep saying this. And I keep saying how incredibly good it is a portraying high school first love. But to get Takara’s perspective and flashbacks to the original foundation of his crush is just great at the halfway mark. I’m chuffed. To see Takara’s flaws and teenage awkwardness underneath the cool exterior! Nothing really happened. But I’m not expecting much to happen in this drama. It’s reminding me so much of early super soft super sweet yaoi, like Maki Kazumi’s Desire. 
About Youth (Taiwan Mon GaGa) Ep 3-4 of 10 - This show is so painfully genuine and earnest that it becomes charming, and I’m so glad I get to begin my week with it.
Minato’s Laundromat (Japan Weds GaGa) Ep 11 of 12 - this episode really messed with my my head and may hear and days later I am still processing, you can read me trying to figure out why I feel this way in the SQUEE WATCH ALONG NOTE: Yes I think the pink haired guy who takes a photo of them is from an early BL too. But MDL was no help. I wanna say it’s someone like Saito Yasuka from Ai no Kotodama, but it isn’t? Bah. 
Papa & Daddy 2 (Mon GaGa) Ep 6 of 8 - It’s fine. The parents are awful. People react badly to them being out. Tra la la. 
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It’s Airing But I’m Not Watching it
Work from Heart (Thurs WeTV? YouTube?) from DV8 an office BL featuring lots of other couples. Stars Love With Benefits pairing Gameplay & Folk. It isn’t even listed on WeTV streaming in my territory, but it is airing to WeTV Thailand. No word on distribution.
Oh My Sunshine Night - I’m scared it’s gonna be sad, so I’m waiting for spies to tell me it’s safe 
180 Degree Longitude Passes Through Us - ditto to OMSN
Way of Y - too hard on my soul, will I watch it eventually? Maybe? Probably not. I think we have and ITSAY situation going on here. 
In Case You Missed It
PPKrit won this year's Seoul Drama Awards Outstanding Asian Award for his role in I Promised You The Moon. And Yusei Yagi won the SDA's Outstanding Asian Star for My Beautiful Man. 
GMMTV's Bad Buddy won the Best LGBTQ+ Programme Made In Asia in this year's Content Asia Awards. 
On Cloud Nine finished its run, I watched the final ep. it seems to have remained pulp, pretty, terrible sound, and if not sad at least ambiguous about it’s ending. So I’m keeping it as a dnf and you can watch at your own peril. 
Gossip
New high school set paranormal Thai BL announced for 2023. Normally I wouldn’t report on something Thai this far out, but it’s to star 2 of the biggest guns we got: Singto Prachaya + Fluke Natouch. It’s called Shadow and is from VIU. Full (and coherent for a change) description on MDL. 
JBL Eternal Yesterday will premiere on October 20th, taking over Takara-kun and Amagi-kun's time slot. 
Otherwise, it’s been pretty quiet round BL parts recently. 
Next Week Looks Like This:
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Starting: Tomorrow 9/11 Fahlanruk (Thai) GaGa Sundays, 12 eps, 45 min ea. 9/14 Once Again (Korea) Viki Thursdays GaGa Fridays, 8 eps, 25 min ea, 9/16 More Than Words (Japan) Amazon Prime Video JP (only?) no word on international. 
Ending: Minato’s Laundromat and What If. 
I posted a full September lineup here!
This week’s best moments?
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This bit in My Only 12% was striking enough to get it’s own post. Yes, I was snarky about it. 
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Another bout of 2nd lead syndrome for me. It’s a chronic illness at this point. 
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I love him unreasonably. (The Eclipse) 
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And him too. 
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Takara’s response to the fix for overcrowded trains = boys sitting in each other’s laps. I laughed so hard. (How much do I want Amagi to just casually sit on his lap on their date next week? SO MUCH. Takara might faint.) 
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Takara thinks about having sex with Amagi, falls into a wall. Been there, dude. 
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Also trying to be the best boyfriend in the world (but also cool). Look at Amagi’s little face!!! 
(last week)
Current earworm? The Song from BTOB 
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I added this to a different post, but it should probably be it's own thing (slightly expanded version).
There was a bit of emotional whiplash this episode, with all of the revelations and the anger, and then the gang quickly falling back into being friends, and it felt a little disjointed, and a little hard to trust, and some people are upset about it, but I think that it actually makes a lot of sense.
I struggled with this sense of "wait, that's it?", too, but! Two things: after the confrontation with Chadok, he is reeling from having to reveal his history with Dika, from being confronted with and called out for his failings. He's retreated into himself a little, but he's also reflecting, and in the preview we see that that reflection seems like it gets him to a place where he's amenable to change-- and to helping that change along. And Sani is there too encourage all of that in the right direction (gosh I hope we learn what her deal is, I still feel like there's more to her than a teacher who was trying to help and kind of fucking it up).
And secondly-- and most importantly -- they're teenagers! Even though a lot of really heavy shit just happened, kids are great at compartmentalizing and moving on, especially when you factor in that these boys honestly love each other a lot. That love was why Thua found his voice, and could use it to make a stand, even if part of that stand was hurting his friends. It's why Akk could offer up his apologies, why Wat stepped in to de-escalate and defend Akk and Ayan, why Kan was so hurt by Thua and Akk's actions, but also why he could forgive them. It's why Ayan tried to help all of them in the first place.
Even though I really wish we got more of a reconciliation scene, and I hope hope hope we get more of The World Remembers boys next week, they all experienced the trauma of Chadok and Dika's story together, they all watched as the man that has been pushing them into boxes for years, and breaking them into pieces, fell apart telling the story of how he let the very rules and institution that he so viciously upholds destroy his happiness and help him lead the man he loved-- a man they all adored and respected -- to suicide. That alone covers a lot of ground as far as explainations and I'm sorrys go.
And honestly, they all wanted to forgive each other, because they all wanted to be forgiven for their own mistakes and failings and hurts. They needed to be able to move on quickly, because they've all spent so much time hurting and hurting each other. (And I'm thrilled that part of that is helping Wat with what he's passionate about, because they've all let him down, and he deserves their support).
So, yeah, there was a bit of emotional whiplash this episode, and I'd like at least a few more episodes to dig into the aftermath of this episode's revelations (honestly just not ready to let this show go), but it isn't out of the question that they'd all just go back to being friends again after everything, the entire show has been telling us that these boys are each other's family, they are the thing that's holding each other together, and the thing that's going to get them all out; this is just a logical extension of that.
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khaleesiofalicante · 11 months
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Okay I have three exams next week and then again one on Monday so I'm drowning. But I was with my friends today studying and I needed something from one of their phones so I asked for the password and she goes like "dude you know my password I've told you a million times" (I have a terrible memory,oops) and then I remembered. In LBAF, David's password always had something to do with Max. And I thought, what if that was a constant for Max and David. I mean, Max needing something from David's phone and just typing the code, it could be a pin with his birthday or even a password like 'mon ange' or 'my max' or something like 'ayan' or anything like that really. And then I thought about IALS (as one does) and this scene came to my mind and it's not letting me concentrate so I thought I'd share it with youu
Okay so imagine David and Max somewhere between those two years in IALS epilogue, after Mexico and before Africa, they are in the kitchen cooking together and David is washing something and he gets a text from the kids or something and he turns to Max like "Mon Ange can you get that" and Max grabs his phone and goes "Babe what's your password" and David stops what he's doing and looks at him incredulously because "You need me to tell you my password? You always know my password" and Max rolls his eyes and says "Well yeah because it always had to do with me". And David's face turns soft and and he gives a Max a goofy smile and tells him "Give it a go" and Max shallows nervously and puts his birthday and the phone unlocks and he looks back at David with disbelieve and David just cocks his head and keeps smiling and Max wants to kiss the hell out of him but he can't so he chuckes nervously and goes "Babe you're obsessed with me" and somehow and David's smile gets bigger and he says "Finally, we're on the same page" because Max spent years thinking David hated him or he moved on and now he knows that that could never happen and oooohhh I love those two sooo much!
Okay, it's out of my system now, back to the salt mines. Also, I hope you have a great time exploring the city and staying, taking time to enjoy the things around us and make the best of things is awesome (your roommate better stay away from you and not ruin this). Good luck with the report!
PS: Your talent and your amazing characters and those little scenarios that keep popping in my head make me really happy so thank you for that 🌷
I love this so much omg.
And David's password 100% has something to do with Max. Maybe being like i<3max or some shit.
I can totally see Arthur being "Awwwwwwww" and Lance being "is cyber security a joke to you people?"
I am drowning in work too but I'm solely focusing on the RELIEF I'm gonna feel when I submit this long-ass report SO FOCUS ON THE RELIEF BABYGIRL I'LL SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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grapejuicegay · 2 years
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crazy theory time! Hello, I hope you don't mind me trying to formulate thoughts by clogging up your asks haha (sorry in advance, love your eclipse posts and you feel super approachable!) But I've been having Thoughts I was hoping to soundboard off someone. I've seen a lot of people mention that in the first trailer there was a glimpse of Akk going off the cliff. I'm pretty sure the show will have a happy ending so I tried not to take it too seriously. But, PT1
[...contd.] But after what they pulled with the imagined kiss, and all the times Aye has imagined (or relived?) Dika doing the same, I'm seeing that scene in the trailer WAY differently. Do you think maybe that's from something Aye had a nightmare about? More and more we've been seeing Aye push his own mission and intentions to the for Akk's sake (such as not exposing him as 'the curse') And more and more we've been seeing Akk despair with what's right and all the pressure and manipulation he's under. We already know Aye hates lying (I don't think he's ever fully lied on the show in fact! He's avoided questions with deflection but never and outright lies about himself) and I think that's because he values the truth so much, maybe something he learned from Dika? He keeps asking Akk to tell the truth in more ways than one (the curse, Akk's feelings for Aye, etc.) Which brings me to my crazy theory... We've seen that Aye is so desperate to keep from losing anyone   the same way he lost Dika, that he'd do just about anything. But I think  that will lead Aye to do something totally against his original mission  to keep from losing Akk at any cost, even if it means sacrificing  himself. But that's going to mean Aye will lose himself in the process. I  do think there's a HEA, so phew! But the pain for Aye ahead breaks my  heart! :( Though, in good news - I think Akk will be the one person that  can get through to him at a time like that. I think Akk will be able to   bring Aye back with telling Akk the truth about how he feels about him   (maybe a parallel of the "I love it when..." scene?). And if that's the case, I might burst into tears haha. Anyway! Thank you for entertaining  my rambling! Hope it wasn't too much of a bother, and have a lovely day!  :) ❤️ 
Hi anon!! Thank YOU for giving me a chance to talk about The Eclipse even more!
I agree, I’ve been thinking for a while that Akk going off the cliff was Ayan’s nightmare. But with the last ep establishing that the nightmare is a result of Ayan’s guilt that Dika died because they left him alone basically confirmed it for me.
We already know Aye hates lying (I don't think he's ever fully  lied on the show in fact! He's avoided questions with deflection but  never and outright lies about himself) 
I don’t know if you’ve seen this wonderful meta by @liyazaki but it goes over Ayan not lying and his thought process when his mother asks if he’s going to leave her too better than I ever could put it.
I hate the thought of Ayan sacrificing himself (hasn’t the poor boy been through enough) but I could see him doing it. I’m hopeful it won’t go that way for several reasons though!
The first is this clip from the eclipse special at 5:49 where Akk and Ayan seem to have released some sort of project together. I’ve convinced myself at this point that it’s them working together to expose Suppalo. I may be totally wrong but until the show tells me that explicitly, I’m hanging on to it.
And the thing is... I don’t think Ayan protecting Akk would go against his mission. His mission, as far as we’ve been told is, “I’m going to wreck Suppalo and they’re going to make up for the shit they did.”
The shit they did includes what they’re doing to the students, and includes the intense brainwashing Akk is under. Hell, Ayan’s even told Akk to his face that he’s never met anyone as brainwashed as him.
The really really beautiful part of their relationship for me is that the only secret there is between them is that Dika is dead. There are no secrets set up to break them apart for a last minute separation - Akk being the curse could easily have been that. No, they both know since the very beginning that Ayan knows that Akk is the curse. They’ve talked about it plenty, even.
And Dika being dead, instead of a traitor that left them to work at another school? I think that is something that would bring them even closer together, maybe even help finally convince Akk that maybe, just maybe, his school’s reputation isn’t the most important thing and that sacrificing himself for it doesn’t really help anyone.
I’m really nervous about how all of this is going to play out especially considering that there’s only 4 episodes left but they’ve given me no reason to not trust them so far
(I also still fully believe that Akk thinks the curse is real and him acting as it keeps it at bay and - not to trust the previews but - I’m hoping the next episode is going to address that)
Honestly, more than Ayan I’m worried about the road ahead for Akk. His entire worldview is set to be shifted entirely and not only does he have that to consider and where his morals stand in relation to that, but also his entire future. He’s constantly under so much pressure and keeping so many secrets I really don’t understand how he hasn’t fully crumpled already.
Not that it’s going to be easy for Ayan. Assuming he does get his revenge, he’s going have to finally process the grief of losing Dika outside of anger. Once again, he needs so many hugs. Just, constantly someone hugging him. Maybe people taking turns to do so while he’s busy clinging to Akk like a koala
AND A PARALLEL TO THE I’LL TELL YOU MY FEELINGS SCENE. If there’s any sort of variation on that, let me tell you I won’t be talking about it. Because I’ll already be dead. I’ll be found paused at that scene and it would be a happy way to go tbh. Idk about you but I’m not prepared (I need it now)
Thank you for your ramblings, I loved reading them! As you can see, we love rambling thoughts in this house 🥰🥰🥰
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akai-hito · 6 months
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"Hey!! Don't force yourself"
No matter how much he wanted it, it just didn't matter in front of Ayane's anguish, even though she was the one taking the command as she was more experienced than he was. He took her hands as it was on his crotch as he sit down. He put his hand on her shoulder.
"We don't have to do this."
"But you really wanted it right?"
"...I..."
"I heard you talking about it."
"..."
At this moment Osomatsu hated himself. His nonchalance for talking about his sexual envies was new to nobody who knew him and he still talked like he used to to everyone.
There's just this disconnect with his permanent horniness and his girlfriend Ayane.
He just didn't see her that way. And somewhere it make him understand something : that his guilt for seeing sex this way... Was already an indication of how bad it was.
He just didn't care until now to stop
"... I'm sorry. It's me who were in the wrong. I... I kind of get now why... Girls are like this..."
To be perceived like this all the time... It must be terrible. And he does know because he saw Ayane like that. He saved her from one of these situations
So how could be keep thinking and talking like that.
What an idiot
What a piece of shit.
But it wasn't about him.
"Listen Aya-chan. You don't have to force yourself for me. I am stupid. I am sorry I'm just a perverted loser who never try hard enough. And you have totally the right to get mad at me! Because at the end you're right to be. I wasn't thinking about you when I said... Whatever terrible thing I've said... I guess it's just like this when you spend your time touching yourself and fantasizing-"
Ayane gently put her hand on his cheek.
Osomatsu was a mess of a boyfriend. She slowly realized it before to be with him and despite that she didn't want to dump him. Out of love. She had boyfriend before and these relationship were nice but she felt a real tenderness for him.
And she realized that... It kind of made her act out of character for her. Because somewhere she also loved to BE loved as much as Osomatsu loved her. Somewhere in love, we love how the other love us.
She couldn't tell him that as she realized. She held him and Oso held her back. She asked :
"can we just cuddle?"
"Of course. I am good at bearhug right?"
Oso was always gentle to her. He was precious to her.
And it seemed that he was changing. She never expected him to because he wasn't acting out of the way to her but what he said made her think that maybe he is slowly realizing what women can go through.
They end up on the bed, Osomatsu doing the big spoon. Osomatsu continued :
"I am sorry for still being a bad boyfriend."
"Don't say that."
"But it's true! ... Thank you for trying."
"I don't have to try. And I also do bad things, you just excuse it everytime."
"... I do get mad though."
"and you never apologize without me forcing you to!"
"see! I'm a bad boyfriend"
"You're just petty. It doesn't mean we have to stop to be together for some issues. Not when you think about my comfort even when you're finally about to graduate from being a virgin"
The way she said it really shown him that she overheard him.
And yet. She was still here.
"I don't want us to expect too much of each other and ourselves and break up. We are just human."
"you're so mature. It's a bit scary sometime."
"huh?"
"Yeah. Like you're an adult since forever."
"..."
"you're right... I don't want that either. Hehe. I think your maturity fell off on me."
Ayane kissed his cheek and as always when she does that it make Oso smile brighter.
"Osomatsu. We will figure it out ok?"
"What will we figure out?" He asked kind of confused
"Well. That. Being an adult."
"Ugh can we go back in time?" He said a bit disgusted by the idea
"Sorry I don't have a Dolorean."
He chuckled and kissed her forehead.
"Hey you know what. I know what else we can do naked. A bubble bath!"
They didn't talk about it later. But it let them both pensive.
How immature Oso felt. How too mature she felt.
But there were reassurance that none of them wanted this relationship to end.
That they will both keep trying.
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alaanz · 2 years
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Ok, I’m calm now (and no longer drunk) so I’m gonna do my best to put my thought together from the eclipse ep 7. I haven’t rewatched it yet, still recovering.
First off. WHAT THE FUCK GMM. Yo, I analysed the shit out of that kiss and then u go and uno reverse that shit. Mannn, it was such a good kiss and fits their relationship and the moment so we’ll that I’m honestly kinda disappointed that its not their first kiss. But we gotta keep moving I guess. This also reveals a lot about akk. Man FULLY imagined a whole ass scene of him and ayan kissing. Like we obviously new he was into ayan but this just confirms it all the more and shows his internal conflicts. He’s grappling so much with all of the new information that’s just been thrown into his life through ayan and then he starts to develop feelings for this new rule breaker. Literally just had a breakdown on a beach in front of said rule breaker too. Tbh I’m not surprised he didn’t kiss ayan. There’s just too much going on in his life at the moment for him to jump ahead into something else new while the rest of his life is still unstable. So while, yes he is attracted to ayan and maybe wants something more. In that moment, he wasn’t ready to take the next step. By not kissing ayan, he allowed himself a semblance of steadiness that he can rely on where nothing new is throwing him off kilter again.
AHHHHHH. The character development is to die for and I absolutely love it. After that whole evening of being able to let everything out and take off the weights that are crushing him, it has allowed him to gain a slightly more objective look at what is going on in his life and look at what his own opinions on everything is. Chadok still has a hold over akk and can still control what he does to a degree, akk is no longer blindly following his orders and is actually paying attention to the things he’s doing slowly but surely. Rose tinted glasses and all that good shit. Mannn, I loved that scene between akk and the three Jums (I think that’s their names?). There was such a breakthrough in the relationship between the protestors and the rule enforcers. It wasn’t hostile and aggressive. It’s starting to remind me slightly of Dan and his story in Not Me. Akk doesn’t necessarily want to be doing these things, or well, in the aggressive way that Chadok wants them done, but he doesn’t really have a way out of it. Akk still had to do what he was told to do, but he made sure not to make it more difficult than it needed to be. The protestors are always the ones being told that they’re being too difficult, that they need to be quieter, they need to be less prominent. But this time instead of the prefects saying this again, they themselves took a new approach and took it down a notch. It’s not the protestors that are making it harder than it needed to be, it was the rule keepers and the unnecessary force that they used. Akk instead said that HES SORRY to the Jums and politely took the megaphone out of his hands and then turned away. There’s nothing else that he had to say because there’s nothing more he wanted to say. He did the minimum that he knew he needed to do and nothing more. Because he doesn’t completely disagree with the protestors anymore. He’s starting to see their point of view on things and why their actually protesting. He’s asking his own questions on why he’s doing what he’s doing.
Now, what I know of 1984 comes from what I’ve seen this show and that’s pretty much it, so I’ve only got a limited sense of this book, but I can understand what it’s aiming to say. So I’m soooo glad that akk saw it and actually decided it was worth his time.. He’s got questions about the way things are run at Suppalo and his role in everything. Even if he still can’t see the way he fits into everything and his role from an outside pov. To himself he’s a rule keeper, but he’s always thought that the way he does things is because he wants to do them like that. Because it was necessary to do it that way. Akk’s now questioning the reality of this thought but he still doesn’t quite grasp the wider picture to see what’s actually been going on behind everything. He asks ayan “do you think there is someone in real life who is brainwashed like the main character in the book?” to which ayan easily and quickly replies “you” which akk gets pissed off at. There’s so much going on here. Akk is aware and acknowledges that the main character has been brainwashed by the government. He objectively knows this, either from his own observations or from being told it, but he’s still aware, and yet he lacks his own ability to make the connections between the main chapter and himself. It’s such an easy observation to everyone around him and the viewers but because he’s the one from everyone’s observing he can’t fully grasp the whole image. He’s getting there, but slower than everyone else is. He was either pissed of at ayan for insinuating that he was brainwashed because he still doesn’t believe that what’s going on with him is actually brainwashing by Chadok, or because he’s slowly starting to understand that he is in fact under Chadoks control but is pissed at himself for letting it happen to him. As we’ve seen, Akk likes to think that he’s in control of his own actions and opinions but there a part of him that knows this isn’t fully true. As with his reaction in ep 6. This is something that I’m still not sully sure of yet but hopefully we’ll learn in future episodes.
There was further development in akk and ayan a bond this episode that I am very grateful for. Ep 6 allowed akk a chance to let some of the weight off and finally rely on someone else even for a moment, but ayan still hadn’t had this yet. Ep 7 allowed this for him tho. For starters ayan invited himself to go on the club trip to akks house. It’s most likely as a way for him to get closer to akk and learn even more about him but it could equal be for another reason. Simply that he just needed to get away from everything. Akk probably thinks it was about getting at him more, but Ayan may have just needed a weekend to get somewhere away from all of the memories of his uncle. Pretty much every place we’ve seen so far is somewhere that either Dika went to or both ayan and Dika went too together. Ayan going to akks house though is somewhere new for him. There’s no connection to his uncle and it allows him a moment of solace away from everything.
As we know tho, that plan quickly backfired with Dika being brought up at the table with lan doing an impression of him. I knew immediately as seen as the words left his mouth that this was the direction they were going with this scene and I was anxious the whole time just waiting for it to happen, which it did. It also says a lot about how kan views Dika as a person. I can’t remember if it was just akk that’s shown to say negative things about Dika before of if kan also did. But with Chadok and waree, the impressions were making fun of them and laughing but with Dika he was actually nice with it, not trying to make a joke but instead being genuine with what he was saying. I appreciated this scene.
Anyway back to ayan. This obviously beings up memories that he was trying to avoid and everything quickly went downhill. Ayan is at breaking point with all of his emotions just below the surface at all times. It only takes the slightest thing to let them out. It was obvious that akk new something was wrong with ayan when Dika was mentioned but he let him have his space and didn’t try and question it infront of the group. It was only later on when he noticed that ayan was sat outside that he asked him about what happened. Ayan tries so hard to try and look like everything is under control but that mask was quickly slipping and akk could see it. Ayan offered him a shoulder last ep and akk returned the gesture this ep. They’re gained a sort of balance in what they can offer each other in terms of support. They’re both there for each other when they know no one else is. And ayan took that shoulder to cry on. He’s obviously got trust issues but it says a lot that instead of flat out saying he’s fine or running away, ayan instead took him up on the offer and showed a new part of himself to akk. He let himself be seen, something he doesn’t do. He’s so scared of letting anyone else in only to be hurt again like he was with dika. But he’s taking steps towards trusting akk, and being vulnerable. In doing this he’s giving a part of himself to akk and trusting that he won’t take it and break it. I love this scene and the acting from khaotung is actually incredible. His ability to change emotions so quickly and express himself is so amazing to see.
And obviously we’ve got that scene at the very end of the ep where it looks like ayan is leaning into kiss akk. I don’t know if this is going to be their first kiss of if their first one if the one we see from the trailer. In the trailer we can see that ayan asks permission to kiss akk so it’s possible akk rejects the advances on the boat. Akk is losing what little control he has over his carefully constructed life and so ayan going into kiss him without asking first if this is something akk wants might be too much. Akk needs that sense of control right now and so it’s likely he’ll reject the kiss. I guess we’ll see when ep 8 comes out.
Also is it just me or did ayan suddenly expecting akk to come out with the truth come out of nowhere. I’m not sure if I’m remembering it wrong or if it’s a translation error but I don’t remember akk promising to tell the truth. He said that he was going to stop pretending to be the curse. Either way I’m kinda pissed off at ayan to be honest. Once again it feels like his sense of morality and higher social status is clouding his sense of judgement to a degree. I understand that ayan wants there to be consequences and to see Suppalo burn but I don’t think making akk confess is going to do anything. And I understand that what akk did were crimes and there should be repercussions to what he did. But let’s not forget that he did this either under the direct orders of Chadok or as a result of pressure from Chadok. Either way, akk wasn’t doing these things of his own volition. Ayan is aware of this but still expects akk to confess. If akk did confess that would effectively be the end of everything for him. There’s no way that Suppalo would back akk up, they’d just use him as a scapegoat like Chadok had always intended for akk to be. Akk would then have to be expelled from Suppalo with his scholarship being revoked. The likely hood of him then getting into another good school like Suppalo is a million to one. Akk is relying on suppalo and a scholarship to get into uni. But if he confessed all of this would be gone. He’d have to go back home and likely wouldn’t be able to afford to go to uni so would end up taking the same line of work as his parents. And what he did as the curse would forever be on any legal documents which may make it hard to do much in the future. With all of this, ayan is so easily asking akk to confess like it’s a given. Akk has all of this to consider but it’s not something ayan has to worry about at all and so doesn’t even consider it. And then he keeps asking akk to confess to which akk rightly keeps asking for more time. I don’t know, it just kind of annoyed me that ayan was doing this when we’ve acknowledged the social divided in a past ep. But I guess it makes sense as even back then nothing big happened with this info. It just kind got slotted away into the back of ayans head.
And for the love of god someone tell me what the FUCK Namo is doing cos I’m about to lose it. This man just shows up with the main cast like it’s no biggie. I’ve already written in my past eclipse post on what I think namos role will be in all of this but honestly the suspense is killing me. At the moment he’s just kinda there with a few odd lines thrown in here and there but nothing big has happened yet. I know it will tho so it’s just a waiting game until he starts to have a bigger role in the movement of the plot.
My god this was a long and probably over analysed post but it was fun to write so who cares. There are likely some spelling mistakes and wrong autocorrects that I’ve missed so I apologise if that’s the case. Next ep is looking to be that start of akk and ayans romantic part of their relationship so it’ll be interesting to see how it fits into the plot and how the pressures are going to affect their relationship in return. Anyway, thank you if u read all of this, I appreciate it.
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saladbroth · 2 years
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i've said it before and i'll say it again, akk is being held together by immense amounts of pressure and sime kind of twisted belief that he's doing it right this way, and not much else - that was confirmed by the whole conversation on the beach and i know this is sort of the point of the show but i'm so angry that this kind, loving, goofy boy is being gaslit and manipulated into being someone he isn't
"if i can't do it, everyone will be disappointed in me" listen. LISTEN. not to have mommy issues and trauma but that shit resonates so much?! the fear that if you don't do things you might not even want to do, things that go entirely against what you want to be, will end up with people being disappointed and upset? putting immense amounts of pressure on yourself? not being able to bear it and threatening to fall apart at the slightest show of affection apart from that? that hits very close to home
it's the way akk is trying so hard and doing things that are literally illegal to uphold the stupid school's reputation, because a teacher, a grown ass man he looks up to, emotionally manipulates him to do whatever he wants. the way he doesn't acknowledge his feelings, doesn't think he's allowed to show weakness or have issues with the way things are run, because nobody showed him that he actually is allowed. that he shouold do that we still don't know much about his family but i bet his parents also put pressure on him, or have done so in the past to the point where akk never really learned to put himself first. maybe he's the first in his family to go to a prestigious school, maybe his parents love him but want him to succeed where they couldn't so much that they disregard akk's wellbeing - we'll see
but akk doesn't know how to be in a way that isn't functional in some way. he's been molded into what he thinks he has to be, and he's cracking. he's coming apart at the mere notion of someone supporting him, seeing worth in him, loving him even, entirely untethered to whether or not he's doing what he's been taught is 'right'
"you can't carry all the school's problems on your shoulders alone" "screw those people! put yourself first, akk." this is. i can't even say just how important it was for aye to tell him that. how important it was that he grabbed akk's face and forced him to look at him while he said it. there was desperation in ayan's voice and eyes and face, and fuck, khaotung and first are delivering gut punch after gut punch with their talents, because we can see just how much he needs akk to know that and believe him (side note: i'm wondering if dika mentioned similar sentiments and ayan is scared for akk because of that, or just because no kid should feel like that anyway) i just really want to know if akk has ever been told that before. judging by his reaction probably not, or at least not in a very, very long time, and ayan making sure to repeat the notion, to hug him and hold him and give him permission to cry and be weak is so so important
ayan can tell akk is cracking. he can see this beautiful, kind boy that he's absolutely fascinated with, breaking apart and becoming something he isn't and shouldn't be and you can see the absolute panicked urgency he has to make sure akk doesn't and akk. god. akk is coming apart at the seams with every bit of unconditional affection that ayan gives him. he's going to break, not because of the external pressure but because internally he'll let go of the ropes that tie him into the form he's not. he's going to shatter apart into millions of pieces once he allows himself to be who he is, and he's going to rebuild himself it's starting, this episode, and we can see it, the way his true self comes out between the cracks in his composure, bleeding into every interaction with ayan, something low and steady, dripping away at his resolve - allowing him to feel safe enough to actually feel and emote freely, letting him care for ayan, letting him take care of him and comfort him and hug him, kiss his cheek and kiss his boy, and protect him as best he can
and honestly? ayan is going to break too. he's different, but oh so similar in the pressure he puts onto himself, and the preview showed that akk is going to give him the permission he needs to break, too
akk and ayan are the forces tearing each other apart and letting themselves form again, something new and better. something tender and loving and something both of them deserve so, so much. they make me feral
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fiddlepickdouglas · 2 years
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Ok Vice Versa anon here, I need to talk about the latest Eclipse episode. It emotionally destroyed me. I’ve been getting Dead Poet Society vibes from the show but those vibes are getting much stronger with each episode and I’m really starting to get worried for Akk. Especially when Aye gave him the necklace because he got the necklace from after his uncle died and I’m really hoping that there will be no parallels between that and Aye ever getting the necklace back from Akk.
Hello nonnie!!!!!! 🥰🥰🥰
I am definitely way late at replying to this and idk if you've seen the next episode yet, but yeah that shit HURTED.
But while I definitely understand why a lot of people are worried for Akk, I'm not. I will also say that after seeing episode 11, I am even more convinced he will be fine, but that's all I will mention for you.
To me Akk represents a hope for a newer generation to climb out of the pit the older one created for him. He has been through so much pressure and manipulation and stress and he is certainly struggling, but he has had it in him to move forward before and he still has it in him now. He also has Aye looking after him (and he looks after Aye in turn, which gives him some sense of purpose outside being a prefect). It's true that people with depression can still be surrounded with love and it can have no power if they still decide they don't want to live, but that's not the whole message of this show.
Golf created this story out of what they had to endure not simply to vent but to educate and uplift. Akk is our vessel for change and presenting that change as not only necessary and good, but something to ultimately look forward to. The process is excruciating at times, but always worth making it through to the end. It does require a great amount of reflection and self awareness, and we're lucky if we have anyone at our side throughout. Ayan has been great at guiding Akk through everything despite how stubborn he's been about it. As a queer person making media for queer people, they are also aware of how burying the gays feels in such a narrative. Dika was the martyr; we don't need another one.
As far as the necklace goes, I felt that the symbolism was different when Ayan gave it to Akk. Instead of a memento of someone passing on, it was given as a reminder to stay, a reminder that Akk has a harbor he can tie to. He isn't the lone boy drifting on his boat like we saw in the beginning. Ayan is there to help him be anchored. And eventually he won't need it because he'll be back safely ashore. It's only for when the storm comes.
Sorry this got way longer than I expected 😅😅😅 You can still disagree, and we still have a finale to make it through, but those are my thoughts!
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ichigokeks · 2 years
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"Thua really said "I respect your love!" and went on to disrespect the shit out of it."
As some Twitter users pointed out, Ayan hinted at some things about Thua to his mom when they were at the cafe at a time where Thua wasn't publicly out, especially to his parents. And you can see him panic briefly and brush it off/divert the subject. Especially when he was suffering inner turmoil in regards to his stepfather telling him to he more "manly". Obviously Ayan didn't know this, but still.
He may have indirectly/subconsciously learned that it's ok to out someone if it's for the "better good", as that was the example Ayan set for Thua.
It doesn't make it any better, of course, but remember that they're highschool students (17/18 yrs old) who typically don't think before they do shit and they're not the best at empathy.
It was, essentially, a tit-for-tat situation where I truly believe Thua wasn't doing it out of malice, but just that he may have learned- or interpreted (incorrectly)- that outing someone was fine if it's for a "good cause" or if you have "good intentions".
And I'm not defending Thua, but people shouldn't view the situation from their own adult, mature point of view and pass judgment from a mature perspective when the characters are not adult or mature. And this is not negating that what Thua did was shitty, but Ayan hinting/teasing at stuff to someone's parents wasn't good either... Ayan was doing it with good intentions, but so was Thua 😬
Hi, sorry for taking a bit longer to answer. It got busy and I wanted to answer properly. So this will be a long answer.
TLDR: I mostly agree with your points. Ayan crossed the line, too, yes. But it is in no way comparable to what Thua did. They are all flawed in a way but I think that's good. It makes them real and human. Still, we should discuss their flaws.
Full and detailed answer in the following. This is obviously my opinion and interpretation of things.
I don't want to come across as haughty or anything. I fully agree with you that one shouldn't forget that these characters are teenagers and are not mature yet, so they might do foolish things. But that doesn't mean that their actions cannot or shouldn't be judged. And at the end of the day, this is still fiction... Still, considering that the show is meant as social criticism and a paint a realistic picture of what it is like to be a queer person in Thailand, discussing the show and taking the plot serious, is very much justified.
Good intention often cause quite the harm, this goes for adults as well as for teenagers.
I rewatched the scene at the coffee shop just to be sure and Ayan doesn't hint at Thua being gay at all. He didn't out Thua nor did he say: Your son feels uncomfortable around his step-dad! And still I think Ayan crossed a line to meddle in Thua's family business. In that point, I agree with you. At least, Ayan knows this himself, he says it out loud and apologises for it.
However, I cannot quite see Thua's good intentions. He wanted everyone to stop lying? For what? He wanted the curse to stop? He continued it. His motivation is a mess.
I am a teacher so I work with teenagers and I see it up close how teenagers often do things without thinking it through. For many teenagers around that age things are mostly black and white/right or wrong and they often cannot see the consequences of their actions to a larger extent. This is a simple neurological and psychological fact about how the brain and thinking develops with age. It is entirely normal - as you also said. But especially because of that it is NECESSARY to teach and educate teenagers of where the line is and what consequences follow when they cross the line. And further, more often than not, certain actions or opinions are neither right or wrong. It is difficult to grasp that different opinions both have the right to co-exist and that some questions do not have a definite answer. There are many things that exist in a grey area.
Thua considered what Akk was doing as wrong and drew the conclusion that he should face punishment for that. Lying is wrong, covering up is wrong. A wrong must be put right, so he does that by exposing everything without considering that lying isn't always bad (it really isn't, if you are a Kant follower, we can only agree to disagree on that one). He doesn't consider WHY people acted the way they did. He doesn't consider that for a long time Akk did the curse because he believed he was doing the right thing as well!
He simply considers his definition and understanding of right and wrong as the correct one without having all the facts. This is immature and age-appropriate in a way. I can forgive that.
But outing Akk and Ayan was in no way necessary for Thua's goals. It was unnecessarily cruel and served no purpose at all. I do not get why Thua should have said that. That's why I was mad. A person who suffered under homophobic bullying exposed Akk and villainised him by adding that he was in a relationship with a guy.
Thua doesn't even consider anything he has done as crossing a line neither did he apologise. He is facing no consequences for his actions so far. We have seen Akk suffer TERRIBLY under what he has done. He feels the whole weight of the curse. Thua is completely fine after having outed his closest friends publically, exposed one of his friends who will most likely lose his scholarship because of it, which means effectively ruining his life. And he is fine? Don't get me wrong. Akk has to face consequences for what he has done. But the fact that he was pressured into it has to be considered...
The beauty of it all is that the characters in this series are flawed because they're human. They feel real this way. But all the more reason to address their flaws and discuss them.
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bengiyo · 2 years
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The Eclipse Ep 10 Stray Thoughts
There's so much BL happening that I don't exactly remember where we are. I know we're waiting on a phishing attempt, there's a protest coming, Neo and Khaotung gave the gayest lovesick expressions I've seen in a while, and Akk almost had a swimming mishap last episode before shivering through an underwater kiss.
Mes is here. This must be the past.
Smash cut to the burning effigy and then don't play the whole intro? Shit's going down today!
This headmaster just did the shoulder touch to Chadok and promised some nebulous reward. Just how far up the chain does this go?
It's interesting seeing how the adults are navigating this. Some demand the students conform for the sake of the majority, whereas Sani tries to deflect and defer the matter.
Finally. Some of the other students have had enough and are siding with the World Remembers.
A terrified Thua was able to vocalize his fear directly to Kan, and Kan is finally able to offer him comfort at school.
I love how Thua suspects that Kan is using Bruce Wayne to talk to him and leans into that illusion to push Kan. Admitting he has feelings for Bruce Wayne has me leaning all the way in. Kan gives an encouraging response, but we'll see if he can give Thua what he's asking for.
Ayan and Akk have a great dynamic when they aren't picking at each other.
Aw yes, we're pulling out the earbuds for shared listening. This is one of my favorite tropes.
I also like Ayan teasing him for stealing glances. It's time to play the entirety of the I See You album by the xx I think
I am just floored by Khaotung and First every week. The way he shifts as Ayan says, "I get you. When I first found out, it was difficult, too," sent me through the roof. Akk's response of, "You can't like a bad person like me," broke me. How many queers who've had to closet themselves and act as agents of the oppressors feel like this? How do we help them? I went to a school not dissimilar from these boys. I've been Akk.
Akk's smile when he finally agrees to the relationship with Ayan is absolutely incredible. First is just SO GOOD.
Oh, Ayan. He let Akk rest for a moment before pulling him in to cuddle.
Ooh a seme wall lean. Interesting that we're using this after Ayan has gotten Akk to agree that they're dating, and is getting him more comfortable admitting that he likes Ayan and misses his presence. I do worry about them getting caught at school though. Akk believes he needs this scholarship if he's going to succeed and make his family proud.
Interesting use of queer gender politics to tease Akk into kissing him. Ayan completely tickled at getting the response he hoped for is fantastic. My circle and I always play around like this as well.
Kan's smirk at this lame explanation for their clandestine getaway is the kind of queer friend group content BL has been missing.
Thailand loves basketball if BL is to be believed. I'm okay with this show using basketball to flirt.
Ayan pulling Akk away from the protest is good for him, but I wonder where Ayan's feelings lie when it comes to the gang and their protest. He seems friendly with them, but he's clearly more concerned with his own beef with Suppalo than there's.
I'm very proud of Kan and Thua for coming to support the protest. It matters for both of them stepping up as students invested in the school structures to side with the queer people who don't fit in and are being bullied.
Oh my goodness this beach scene with Kan and Thua is everything. Kan asking if Thua can be with someone as messed up as him. Thua wanting clarity on the kiss. It's giving, "If you had ever stolen a kiss from someone, how would you give it back?"
Oh that was actually perfect for them as a confirmation kiss. They're both still awkward, so the quick kiss into an offered hug is a good choice.
Ah, public shaming of an individual. The favored tool of terrible educators. Calling on his relationship with Mrs was a gross move.
Akk is breaking, and this probably looks too similar to what happened to Dika.
I haven't been this relieved that someone responded to a hug in a long time. I hope Akk can hold on to Ayan and pull himself out of this spiral.
I think it's time Ayan told Akk his full story.
Oh good. I was worried Akk would run from Ayan. Breaking down and realizing he'd been misled to hate his favorite teacher is heartbreaking.
Passing on the necklace is a big deal. I just finished 180 Degree Longitude Passes Through Us, so I'm definitely not okay about significant momentos being passed along.
Ayan is still so smart. Akk asked how Dika died, clearly asking about grim particulars. Ayan diverted that right away towards the lead enforcement agents of this harsh system.
Oh boy I am excited about next week. Looks like we might be setting up for an Episode 12 denouement!
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solariswrites · 10 months
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Reckless
Reckless. Reckless. Reckless. 
Phayu’s replacement word for stupid. Instead of instilling determination and anger what Rain was feeling in the moment was pure disappointment and frankly resentment. He was confident that if Sky was in this seat right now there wouldn’t be a lack of trust going on. Just fear that Sky was pulling away from him. Rain? No he gets the distrust and belittling like he isn’t a grown ass adult in a relationship with these three men. He loathes his feelings right now which makes it worse. All he did was go with Aye, Thua, Kan, and Rain’s new friend, Zain. 
He knew it was going to be an adjustment for him, Sky, and Phayu when he changed majors; Prapai had been the most supportive of him switching to the Arts to focus on his writing degree. And to Rain, Prapai was the only one being supportive now because this was getting ridiculous. He had a right to spend time with his friends from his new faculty and old childhood friends too. They’d come here to get inspiration for their own projects and had accidently gotten stuck with Kan’s suv then walked back just as the storm started to roll in their direction. Akk had taken the other three as Rain had assured Zain that it was fine to leave with a brooding Phayu, annoyed Sky, and their ever peacemaker Prapai.
“This was beyond reckless. You should have called us before leaving town. This is what happens when you hang around Ayan and Zain. You do reckless things like this. Going out in the middle of nowhere with no cell reception and a trail till you hit the main road…” Phayu’s words cut through Rain’s thoughts and he’d had enough. He didn’t give two shits that they were stopping at the stop sign in the blistering rainstorm. He wasn’t going to sit here and take anymore of this criticism for another second. 
“Yu…” Prapai started but Rain cut in. It hit him the silence coming from Sky and Prapai as Phayu had scolded him. They agreed with him. 
“And what P’Phayu? Wait for my busy boyfriends to decide for me if it’s alright to take a day trip with a group of friends that wasn't even supposed to take half the day? When without hesitation all three of you just drop whatever you want to do into our calendar? Do you know how hard it is to plan something or do something with you all when you do that to me? I take one day, hell not even a day; I take one lousy couple of hours… ” Rain angrily spat back, reaching for the door. “I don’t know what I’ve done to make you think I’ve consented to being treated like a fucking child but I haven’t. I deserve the same trust and respect as you clearly give each other.” 
“Rain!” Sky struggled to stop him from getting out just as much as Prapai. Phayu was stunned for a moment before he rolled the window partially down. 
“Get back in the car!” Phayu ordered over the heavy downpour, not that Rain was listening. He just flipped him off and started walking his way towards the village so that he could stay at another hotel. He sure as hell wasn’t staying with them. 
Suddenly a pair of arms wrapped around him but the self defense classes he took since the incident with Stop allowed him to easily twist and shove the owner of said arms away. He glared at Phayu as soon as their gazes locked. 
“Don’t touch me! Venus!” Rain yelled, Sky and Prapai joined Phayu across from him. Their eyes wide that he still wasn’t budging on letting them near him. “I am not getting back in that car. You all say you love me but this isn’t how you show it. Trust goes both ways. I am so sick and tired of having to prove myself.” 
“You don’t have to, but we need you to get back in the car. It’s…” 
“Reckless right?”
“No, Darling, not safe! I just want us all safe. So please get into the car.” Phayu tried to get the younger man to listen to him.
“Baby that’s not what we meant.” Prapai tried to apologize as he shared a look with his partners. 
“Yes it is! I said venus P’Pai!” Rain quickly dodged Prapai’s hand. He knew it was instinctual because of how Prapai was tactile. But it still felt like they weren’t listening. That he hadn’t earned a voice. 
“We do trust you Rain, we were just scared!” Sky gave back and the look in his eyes let him know that this was true for Sky. 
“Of what? What happened before with that asshole repeating? Well it’s not going to happen again…” Rain found himself trying to console him  but shook his head, “No, you refuse to actually believe me that I can take care of myself. I retook the classes and I checked in a lot.” Rain snapped as he flailed his hands. “But it’ll never be enough will it? No matter what I do I’ll just get to watch you three thrive off each other till you tire of me just standing there.” 
“You’re not standing still.” Phayu cut in, “And we do tru-“
“You don’t get to tell me how I feel.” Rain argued, “especially when I cause you to turn into this jealous monster!” Those words earned a sudden shiver to go down his spine at the look Phayu gave him. He for sure thought that the man was going to start chiding him for his language. 
“You don’t get to tell us either. But yes, I’m jealous. But it’s not because I don’t trust you, darling, it’s because I loathe that Zain gets to spend all this time with you that used to be ours. I love you…We love you, Rain, and if you need us to stand out here in this storm all night to tell you all the reasons why we do, then we will.” Phayu argued right back and like that it was like all three of them despite the storm were on the same page. The focus on him was a bit overwhelming.
He was about to respond when Sky spoke first, “I’ve always loved your determination. It’s beautiful, wild, and unique to you.” Sky slowly reached out to Rain. Just as carefully, Rain felt like he could handle them coming closer. When he did, Sky lifted their joined hands to press a kiss to Rain’s knuckles. 
“You’re my buttercup.” Prapai stepped closer next, his hand reaching up to cup Rain’s cheek. His thumb rubbing softly over rain soaked skin, “Our love is different and so open despite all the bites the world has taken. Your bravery and willingness to adapt are just some of the reasons I love you, buttercup.” He leaned forward, pressing a kiss to Rain’s forehead then he stepped back to let Phayu come closer. 
“Verbena?” Phayu asked, knowing it was his fault the fight had sparked anyways. Rain nodded and this time they stepped towards each other. Phayu cupping Rain’s face gently. “I love that you trust me with all of you and that you inspire me to be a better lover to us. You’re amazing and so beautiful, darling.” He leaned, pressing the softest kiss to Rain’s lips. When Phayu went to pull back Rain, gripped the now soaked through v-neck to keep him from moving away as he chased the kiss. This one thought carried a different feel as they poured their apologies and love for one another into the kiss. 
“Oi! You were supposed to kiss his cheek, you jerk! Jealous and greedy is more like it. Where is ours?” Prapai’s voice pulled them from their moment. 
“How about we have this conversation in the car?” Sky shivered as Rain laughed, resting his forehead on Phayu’s shoulder. He didn’t need to look to know that Phayu was sending Prapai a look. 
“Okay.” Rain agreed. He reached out for Sky, the two of them squeezing their hands before Sky headed inside. 
“Well I am not going till I get my kiss.” Prapai continued to tease. Rain wiggled his fingers towards the older man to draw him into a kiss. Those dark eyes beamed as he stepped closer, kissing Rain softly. 
“Now you have one. Let’s get back in the car and to the hotel before we all get sick.” Phayu guided them back to the jeep. Prapai wrapped his arm around the other side of Rain as they walked then stole the younger man into the backseat where they could cuddle until they got to the hotel. 
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