hi! you know how there's the common "slap kiss" in thai lakorns/soap operas, i was wondering if you recall any thai bl series with similar scenes. i feel like it's very common to have jealous, possessive boyfriend in bl but i can't remember for the life of mine a few bl series with that very specific 'if you slap me, i'll kiss you' kind of line. i think the only one off the top of my head is tharntype.
another question is that although i know this genre of "slap kiss" is quite toxic, often borderlining rape and sexual assault, do you think there is a way/has been a series/example where you thought this 'slap kiss' trope with dubious consent was done in a better way that isn't offensive to the viewers or make us absolutely detest one of the leads?
Honestly I can't ever remember seeing this one in a BL. I think it's a gender thing. If a boy slaps another boy they jsut start punching (or that's the attitude).
Sorry I don't watch enough het stuff to really track their tropes.
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Today on- Random new Thai expressions I stumble upon:
ผักบุ้งลอยฟ้า Flying Morning Glory
/phak boong laawy faa/ = lit. water spinach/morning glory floating in the sky
So today I sat down to catch up on We Are and only got about 10 minutes into ep. 2. This entire scene and the lead-up to it already cracked me up with how Tan talks ("คุณมึงครับ" 555) and acts but then I looked up this dish and the way some restaurants make a whole show out of cooking it! Which is to say- this?
Accurate! It's also called ผัดผักบุ้งไฟแดง /phat phak boong fai daaeng/ = Morning Glory stir-fried over high-heat
-> ผัดไฟแดง /phat fai daaeng/ = lit. red-fire stir-fry
They're missing the most ridiculous part though which is the toss at the end. The subs say flip but the word used is โยน /yohn/ and knowing what I know now, 'throw' or 'toss' is more fitting lol
Here's a clip of a restaurant in Pattaya preparing the dish:
...and a longer one from 1984 of a restaurant in Phitsanulok that shows the entire process and several throws (they also throw some ไข่เจียว /khai jiaao/ = Thai-style omelette):
Another tangent cause I can't not bring up Thai music-
There's a song by Bodyslam of the same name, ผักบุ้งลอยฟ้า feat. F.HERO, that references this peculiar way of preparing the dish but goes a lot deeper. Water spinach is a really common vegetable and the stir-fry is easy and cheap to prepare so they juxtapose this modest dish with being a star and the temporary nature of that success while also expressing gratitude for their fans:
เพียงผักบุ้งลอยฟ้าหาใช่ดวงดารา
/phiang phak boong laawy faa haa chai duaang daa raa/
= Just morning glory floating in the sky, not a star.
ในวันที่ลอยฟ้าได้โปรดรับฉันลงจาน
/nai wan thee laawy faa, dai bproht rap chan lohng jaan/
= On the day that I'm floating in the sky, please catch/accept me on [your] plate.
If you're interested in the full lyrics, you can read a translation here!
Anyway, that's how I lost about two hours to flying veggies!
...also, the reason why I'm never sure how to explain how I'm learning Thai, these odd deep-dives just kinda keep happening 🥴
---previously: ฟ้ารักพ่อ (Sugar daddy meme and song) | A pun on มุก /mook/
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Hi! apologies if you've answered this before, but can you recommend some bls that deal with homophobia, be it internalised or external? or more generally, bls that are not set in the bl bubble where gayness is 100% accepted?
Thank you very much <3
Ooo, sure thing!
BL's Not Set in The Bubble
BLs that deal with homophobia (internal or external) and rough coming out sequences
Began Beginning from Myanmar is all about this. It's not a BL I would necessarily recommend but it is interesting for many reasons. Both leads are dealing with massive internalize homophobia, among other issues.
Similarly: Like in the Movies and Tie the Not from the Philippines.
And Goodbye Mother and Nation's Brother from Vietnam.
From Thailand
To Sir, With Love - witnessing his family's massive homophobia that results in major tragedy as a child is what drives our main character's whole personality and self hatred. Massive trigger warning.
Until We Meet Again - the pair in the past, of course, it's the driving trauma of the relationship reincarnated. Massive trigger warning.
I Feel You Linger In the Air - fear of being caught is a through line in this drama.
More modern set stuff:
City of Stars deals with having to leave the closet as a super star. So does Close Friend Season 2 a little. The OhmFluke pair also deals with coming out to parents. Love Stage!! (Thailands version) contains one couple that chooses to remain closeted for the good of a career and another that risks it.
Moonlight Chicken - mostly about self hatred and difficulty in being out, to the point where his young nephew challenges him on it and provides a foil.
Also, ya know, TharnType and Why R U. Both have self hated and challenging coming outs because of trauma and daddy issues.
Dark Blue Kiss - Kao is terrified of being outed and it's used to blackmail him.
Similarly although he is out of Ae, Pete is being abused and blackmailed because he is gay in Love By Chance. Also Ae doesn't manage to come out... yet.
I Told Sunset About You - of course.
My Gear and Your Gown final episodes contain homophobic (or are they?) parents.
Second Chance heavily implies that there is something going on with Paper's inability to accept Fah.
Similarly Gene accepting Sib in Lovely Writer.
I'm pretty sure there's a ton of homophobia at the back end of My Tee, but honestly it's been years sicne I watched that mess.
Charming little pulp 21 Day Theory deals with quite a bti of this, but our main character has a lovely gay uncle to guide the way.
"Punch the homophobe" my favorite trope of all time, happens in Oxygen. But otherwise they neatly circumvent the patriarchs objection by defacto adopting a child to inherit.
TonhonChonlatee is all about one characters inability to acept his own queerness as encouraged by his homophobic family and various other evil characters.
My Only 12% actively tackles and calls out cultural homophobia and damaging misrepresentations.
"Why does everyone think that both of them are strange? If it's not wrong, why does everyone hurt?"
The show he's talking about is Thailand's first proto-BL, love of Siam and it is about an inability to come out.
From Japan
Life: Love on the Line - it's parental disgust and personal self hatred and paranoia that breaks them up (they get back together but he as to get over it)
Similarly His - is a kind of reunion romance after self-homophobia drove one half of the pair to marry someone else.
Actually the original series with the same characters, His the series, also deals with self acceptance around gayness, and it's subtle (Japan) but it's pretty clear one of them was kicked out of/ or left his previous school because he got outed. (Light on Me references a similar situation, but it's ultra subtle.)
If It's With You also kinda falls into this category. Not sure these can be called "dealing with" it tho, more side stepping and alluding to it.
Tokyo in April is - yeah it's kinda the whole thing from one half of this pair
What Did You Eat Yesterday also has a coming out to the parents thread throughout, and a coming out at work thing, but it's not really the point of the show.
From Korea
Most Korean BL are gonna be out. The specialize in the bubble. Although a case could be made for Love For Love's Sake and Love Class. And, see comment, Jazz for Two.
One noted exception is Just Friends which is a short piece about coming out to mom while on leave from the military. This is one of Korea's earliest BL pieces and not strictly BL, but it's fascinating in that neither theme (military nor coming out) would reall be reused again.
From Taiwan
My Tooth Your Love - has a kinda different take and we aren't sure, as viewers whether it's because he's gay or because he's not doing what the Patriarch wishes. But trigger warning for [physical abuse.
DNA Says Love You deals with this and other forms of queerphobia during the later half. Slow start but I do love this show.
Faded is a propaganda piece (pro marriage equality) which is all about coming out to a parent.
In H4CTY Xing Si (of the side couple) is having a hard time coming out but that's complied by the fact that he's fucking his stepbrother, it's a mess, bit I enjoy them - v problematic couple tho.
Papa & Daddy actually has a coming out sequence (GASP!) where the parents don't take it well as does Love is Science? (sides) - but the later is mostly because disaster bi is also baby daddy.
Red Balloon, of course, and it's sibling movie Your Name Engraved Herein are kinda all about self loathing and suffering because of gayness and lack of acceptance.
Unknown is certainly tackling some of this.
In which I talk about some of my favorite coming out sequences:
He's Coming to Me has my favorite series of coming out sequences to both friends and mother.
A few more that I really don't like (Promise) and probably Together With Me should be here, but I willfully can't remember them.
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