#STILL showed them toh. STILL SHOWED THEM TOH.

[amoritasart]

Greetings my fellow humans I have seen the original TOH pilot and I am going insane. HEADMISTRESS LILITH?? AND WHAT WAS HER BAT TRANSFORMATION WAS SHE ORIGINALLY THE CURSED ONE? OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WITCHES JUST DO AT WILL?? (SHE’S SO CUTE LOOK AT HER ) I HAVE QUESTIONS !

(Her bat form remind me of the Chiropterans from my fav anime next to Pokemon: Blood + 😭!!) Anyways her interactions with Eda were so fun !! Man I would have been so curious to see where she ended up at the end ! And her relationship to Obron. Speaking of which, sounds pretty ruthless! So it turns out the gems on their clothes originally did have a purpose (apart from showing Eda’s curse progressing). They can shock you! Reminds me of the shock collars in the original Zootopia storyboards.

I read from the pitch that Eda is offered to heal her curse (which appears to just cause her to age?) in return for giving them Luz. Apparently a human soul is required for whatever Obron wants to do. Curious that it is mentioned there are more stray humans than just Luz… but he still wants HER (and not William? Hmmm). ANYWAY yeah this… COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than what we got. 😭 Lilith being headmistress sounds so cool to me, but I do wonder if this version of her was also gonna get redemption considering she seems more cold.

#the owl house #toh #lilith clawthorne #eda clawthorne #councilor Obron #toh original pitch #toh storyboards #LILITH LOOKS SO MUCH LIKE MORTICIA ADAMS I’M- #SHES ADORABLE #WOULD HAVE RATHER HER HAVE ACTUAL DARK HAIR PERSONALLY #the owl house pilot

[mdhwrites]

Have you seen the leaked TOH pilot and pitch bible yet? IMO it’s crazy how most of it is better than the final product.

I have! And... I don't know if I entirely agree with that.

What I found most fascinating about it is that a lot of the contradictions and issues of scope with TOH that doomed it are still in the pitch bible itself. Just some quick examples of what I'm talking about: When talking about themes, they talk about Fantasy versus Reality but it's as shallow as it is in the show. After all, one of the episode concepts pitched within it features a plot that has Luz literally going "This is just like in my fanfiction!" and being better able to handle it because of that.

It builds up the emperor of the land and Belos (known as Oberon) when talking about them but NONE of the plotlines include Oberon in the episode pitches or even mention the coven system for that matter. They are still barely a thing to the show with the only episode concept about that part of the show being the one about William.

An utter lack of real stakes like how King has to face the deep crises of a decision of either being a lackey to the people he used to run with while also losing any chance to ever reclaim his lost power... Or he can save Eda and Luz and lose the chance to work with these people again. That's not really a compelling decision, is it?

The pitch also claims that the show will mostly be about Luz and Eda's relationship and how Luz's determination will push Eda to be a better person... And most of the episodes pitched are still not actually about the two spending time together. Just Eda making Luz upset so she goes off to do her own thing, just like the same problem as in the actual series.

You actually have MORE characters in this version which sucks harder for trying to narrow things down, especially since more of them are disconnected from each other than before. At least Boscha, unlike Pascha, has a connection to literally anyone in the main cast.

You also have stupidity with your magic still. "Look! I need to work hard to make small objects float!" And apparently that's enough to make all of Hexside lose their fucking minds. WHY!? In 90% of settings, that is as basic as the light spell Luz learns. It's why it's one of the first spells Harry learns.

Oh and let's not forget "Almost all known portals to the human realm have been severed" but apparently Amity has access to one of those known portals freely enough to attend two schools. It's a small thing but it would cause problems in theory.

BUT.

I will give credit to this: Luz is MUCH more compelling in this version. I think if there is something that is just unequivocally true, it's that. She is way less inoffensively nerdy, instead her interests being more upfront and troublesome, helping explain why that would be why she is rejected and not because, you know, she puts people in danger. Also her rise to power is just better.

Arguably, Luz in canon is a chosen one essentially from episode FOUR onwards. Now, this is up for debate but being given a power almost out of nowhere, with no training, that no one else has, is usually a sign of a chosen in a narrative. Episode 4 is when she gets the light glyph. She doesn't work for it, it's not a big character growth moment, etc. like that. She mostly just oops into it. Making it that Luz ACTUALLY has to work for her magic and the show actually has to explore how the magic works, making it so she has something to learn is just strictly better, especially for the concept of her learning to be a witch. Eda would actually be able to teach her something instead of shrugging and going "Welp, good luck!"

I will say that the bible does also lean more into an adventurous aspect though. This version of episodes would easily be more fantastical and include more magic in them which would help the Isles not feel so much like our realm. I will say the fact that there's also active anti-human prejudice also would be good because then Luz being human would, you know... Matter. Not that the Isles is really given a personality even here besides the oppression they're theoretically under. It's still a very generic fantasy setting.

A lot of the rest though? It's really not that unique or different from the show itself. Lilith is almost exactly the same, Tibbles is just Gus but a demon, there are slightly more restrictions on things like being human or magic but, you know, the show didn't care about its one law, why would it care about three? Even Amity, who does look better on here, is only because it's on paper. This is literally just Amity's pitch in S1 after all. All the reasons people loved Amity are here.

Conceptually it is fine but I am surprised about how not only this got picked up but also how it was greenlit so heavily as to get a pilot animatic, with voice acting, based on these concepts. There's just some very clear cleaning up that needs to be done, basic questions on its own setting and own logic that isn't even playing into the comedy/fantasy angles that could let you let it pass. It's not all of them or even the majority but a skeptical prereader could even raise these basic sorts of inconsistencies like the ones I brought up above. After all, this is half a season's worth of episodes pitched and a fifth of them are still going to Amity and more of them have Luz directly interacting with King than they do Eda.

There's a final thing I have to bring up due to it being why I think the show changed so drastically from this pitch bible to its final form: This is way more complicated. TOH already has extremely decompressed storytelling and too many elements working in tandem. Meanwhile, every character is MORE complicated in this one and less connected to each other, necessitating that each, except maybe Eda, will take more time to get through their stuff. The writing team either had to sharpen how much they could do in an episode or simplify and congregate elements. We see this a LOOOOT in S2A, especially Escaping Expulsion, where it seems the writers went "Even with three whole seasons planned, we don't have enough time to do everything we want to, the way we like to, so we need to start cutting and simplifying even more than before."

One example of this that's really easy: In the pitch bible, Willow is a random witch who lives near Eda. Well that means she'll likely either take time out of a couple episodes as she's introduced or take up an entire episode just for herself. Tibbles is also just on their own, like in the show. Introducing both of these characters is not really an option. However, put them both into Hexside and suddenly you can introduce three characters at the same time organically, like we saw with I Was a Teenage Abomination.

Luz just being gifted magic is another element to this. Her having to actually experiment for every spell and having to have a real system to her spells limits what she can do but also means spending a LOT more time on her magic. You can't just have a flower open up and give her the glyph of the day as easily, nor have her be able to throw her spells around as she wants. Making it so she just needs reams of paper and/or a marker makes it a lot easier and simpler to have her start casting magic.

This version of TOH would have SHATTERED under its own scope while the current version mostly bends and cracks from it. However, if people do use this to go "FUCK DISNEY EVEN HARDER!" I won't be surprised. Grand scope ALWAYS looks better on paper than it does in action. It sounds epic and multi-faceted and complex. The problem is that it still has to fit its format and it is MUCH harder to execute on than a more simple concept.

There's a reason the only perfect project is the one you never do because you can promise the world without ever having to deliver. So, while it's nice to see an earlier version, I am by no means going to say this would have been a better version of TOH.

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Sorry for anyone hoping for a link to the pitch bible btw. I just don't have one as I got given it as a document.

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#the owl house criticism #toh critical #toh #the owl house

[smokestarrules]

Hearing their voices again felt so... painfully endearing. It's them! Even if it's a different them, it's them! And I miss them 😔

Yeah. I know what you mean. It wasn't quite the rush of a New ToH Episode, but the feelings were still there. I will always remember this show with the utmost affection.

#toh #the owl house #smokey answers #le-sam

[oh-cramity-its-amity]

its so weird to read some of my old fics (do NOT do it but i'm just being hypothetical rn) and reading it. like who even was this person?? i completely was in a haze back in 2020. i literally was posting 3 chapters a day. A DAY. what in the WORLD was that shit.

anyway i remembered some STUPID sappy shit and i didnt remember if i'd put it into a fic or not BUT I FOUND IT.

She and Hope had been dating in secret for months anyway, and any attempt to go talk to Ryan only filed her disposition of displeasure upon knowing that she couldn’t tell anyone, Molly especially, it destroyed herself mentally. They couldn’t really go anywhere near the school, always having to lie to everyone about having projects together when Molly wasn’t around them. It’d consisted with 9 PM - 2 AM intervals of being able to actually see each other. Hope would sneak through her small bedroom window with a portable record player and whatever she had gotten from the vintage record store downtown, and Amy would always fall asleep around eleven because of her internal clock. She would always wake up to find a single sticky note stuck on the edge of her desk whenever she woke up to her alarm the next morning. One of them, Amy still had tucked inside of her phone case, a heavily detailed human heart, with blue and red ink sketched onto a neon pink sticky note, there was a caption that headed the small paper reading the phrase over every now and again makes her almost melt every time. “You have my heart.”

yeah idk why the fuck but i thought of this fucking idea again today and i was like "omg did i ever put that heart note thing in a fic???" yeah you fucking did.

all that to say ME AND WHO???? imagine. thats so fucking.... RAHHHH.

#NOT TOH FANFIC #see this is why i write fanfic. to enact some gay ass shit like this. #the fucking STICKY NOTE WITH A DRAWING OF A HUMAN HEART AND SAYING “YOU HAVE MY HEART” I AM ON THE FLOOR. #*sighs* sucks i cant reuse it on lumity though. #my friend making me realize i actually have rizz but am just too much of a disaster to actually understand cues with people #its a MESS. im just all over the place. i literally ranted to THE SAME FRIEND yesterday (or the day before??) abt some girl jesus. #anyway i remember writing A LOT OF POETRY back in hs about this one girl and then the same girl i got to talk to-- #--my first actual conversation with her i blurted out that i wanted to shave my head. she was like.... oooooo god i was A MESS #still slid into her school dms during covid and was like “haha guess what i actually mf did???” anyway all that to say underlying dysphoria #they're nonbinary now too and i kinda ghosted them like a complete idiot :(. its been two years or so but i still think of them... a lot... #actually i have more lore about this person and its like istg they actually really liked me but i could not pick it up. #we had such SUCH good chemistry and vibes. n they were really pretty. ughhhhhh. #anyway yeah idk crushes are weird sometimes. the universe knows how unstoppable id be with a partner #i feel like i was the reason they were able to find themself and their identity because when we were talking i always encouraged them #and told them to do what felt right. im glad they did. i think sometimes that brings me peace. like i served a purpose. #STILL showed them toh. STILL SHOWED THEM TOH. #we were talking about amity LMAO “this green haired girl seems interesting” SHE SO WAS. #...yeah i wish i could text them but i kinda probably fucked it up. #shitposting shit #idk what this post is i just wanted to talk about this dumb sticky note thing because im rotating it in my brain and remembering how #mentally ill i was back in 2020 #talking into the void yk how it isssss

[misticfog]

Regarding recently seen discussions about Harvey's reaction to Willow dating Hunter:

Bonus:

#the owl house #toh #toh meme #huntlow #hunter toh #harvey park #gilbert park #camilla noceda #luz coming home with her traumatized friends after witnessing a genocide attempt and introducing one of them as her girlfriend the next day #vs willow showing her parents her wet cat of an 'advanced friend' while they're still cleaning up after the apocalypse #their parents would get along well #they're all equally confused by their kids shenanigans

[owlyhouse]

old doodles from when i was figuring out how to draw owlhouse & also tryin to figure out how to draw again aksdkgjfh

#owl house #toh fanart #emperor belos #philip wittebane #caleb wittebane #evelyn clawthorne #golden guard #myart #tw: gore #tw: blood #tw: animal death #nge redraw #i was gonna do more screenshot redraws of that but i just never finished any others dfksahsdfa #wasnt ever gonna post these either cuz eh i dont like them much now to my current owlhouse style xD #but theres still aspects i like so ye ima post #drew these around thanks to them when my bro got me into the show so ye i was very rusty dkjhfasf

[salamander-spark]

Cooking something up...

#theres literally only 3 still shots of them in the entire series #the show ignores them so badly #they don't even have model sheets #fine #i'll do it myself #vee noceda #the owl house #fanart #toh fanart #toh vee #my art #toh #vee toh #toh basilisk #toh au #the owl house basilisk #digital art #art wip

[marionette-j2x]

✋ HALT! SPOILER DISTRACTION! ✋ Have a Willow- ❤️

(Also, avoid AND STOP POSTING SPOILERS!!!. I know it was prematurely showned on iTunes on another country but for God's sake! If u wanna go see it immediately then go. But don't post ANYTHING about them around soc med so carelessly without a second thought. Get ahold of yourselves and RESPECT Dana and her crew. Be responsible! Geez some people don't listen anymore when others say to stop posting them anyways- hayst... 🙄)

#getting off of my soc meds to try and survive till the premier but i'll still post some fanarts every now and then #toh #the owl house season3 #the owl house s3 #toh season 3 #toh s3 #toh willow park #willow park #digi art #digital art #the owl house #my art #mj2x #marionettej2x #sorry for that short rant but it has to be said #i hate it so much #screw disney as well for making this show suffer #it's like 'thanks to them all over' again #spoiler distraction

[gearbroth]

who put all these owls in my house smh

#owl house #toh #hunter #eda clawthorne #raeda #raine whispers #toh oc #ironstar gordon #toh deja theus #myocs #my ocs #a lot of these look slightly off sorry sdkhffsd #i was tryin to figure out how to art again after a couple weeks askdhdas #deja's my lil guy i love them #im more fixated on my other toh oc but yknow i still love deja too sdfkjhfsd #i be like- in love with raine and eda and makes an oc to have polyamourus epic gay love #and then a day later i hyperfixate on belos and then never stop fdskhjfhlkfsd #my bro (who introduced me to the show) was trying SO hard to get me to obsess over the wittebanes fdskjhdsf #it did not click for me until a solid week after binging the show x'D i was soley focused on raeda until FINALLY my brain just went *philip* #and now we're just obsessed and rant to eachother like every night like greek philosophers about the wittebanes and other parralels asdkhsa #anyway dies #belos is gettin his own post(s) later bc yknow #myart #-i was gonna post these tomorrow but new teaser screenshots got me hyped so sdfkjhsfd #posting these so i have time to post more doodles that are gonna get inspired x'D

[shima-draws]

So I finally started watching TOH,

#I am SEVERAL years late to the party but I'm here. I'M AT THE PARTY. #Shima speaks #I'm really enjoying it so far! #Also the INSTANT I heard Amity's voice I was like 'IS THAT KATARA???' #(Hint: It was indeed Katara.) #Cannot WAIT to see the rivals to lovers arc between Luz and Amity #They really really remind me of Trustedpartner so I like them already 🤧 #Sadly I've been spoiled to a LOT of things bc I've just been in proximity to the fandom hype for so long #But I know I'll still enjoy it #TOH #The Owl House #And it's nice that the show is over bc I can just sit and binge it all without having to wait for more episodes lol

[threeawfulfruits]

My brain, stirring all my interests around like peeps in a chili pot:

#sorry I just thought about wan shi tong and his extendable neck and my brain went HOOTY! #also I’m dying bc I still have not emotionally recovered from King’s Tide holy FUCK #and I know that since Thanks to Them is going to be so much WORSE I’m not ANYWHERE near ready for that shit #so my brain is rotating around in hyperfixation hell like a rotisserie pig currently #can’t engage with fandom bc I want to avoid any MORE spoilers #but I know I also have to watch it before the next ep drops so I can actually be caught up for a few days hueeeghhh #and briefly engage with fandom and fics and shit bc OHH MAN DO I WANT TO #also I unabashedly LOVE Hooty y’all #maybe it’s just bc Lilith and I are so similar but #he’s the funniest character in the show and so so sweet and loveable - theyre so mean to him and for what? #it’s hooty appreciation hours #atla #toh #peeps in the chili pot #hooty the owl #wan shi tong #avatar the last airbender #the library #the owl house #edits by me

[passionpeachy]

Just gonna add onto all the people saying this lol but I personally don't find you intimidating at all! Quite the contrary, it always makes me smile seeing one of your posts on my feed, you have such a warm and welcoming presence and I feel like that translates so well to your art. The pastel and ethereal feel your drawings have is such a good visual representation of how you come off as a person, soft inviting light that will make you feel at home and comforted. I might also be a little biased on this but your posts and reblogs about the Little Prince and Collector give me a very safe aura of you overall, I love them both dearly and I think that seeing you talk of them in such a caring way is a wonderful representation of what a kind soul you are. Again, maybe a bit biased on that front but I'm also really happy in seeing someone else be so appreciative of those two little guys. I hope this didn't come off as weird or creepy, just wanted to share the positive impressions of you I've had these past months since I've been following you, that being said, I hope you have a wonderful day/night!! <3

You don't come off as creepy or weird at all! Your message is so very sweet I'm kicking my feet and giggling reading it.

I do find it funny that someone gets good vibes from me just being obsessed with my blorbos though, because I often talk about them like this:

I also want to roll them into blanket burritos and swing them around. or buy them some dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets. Y'know, older sibling/parent stuff since both of them are lonely little kids from outer space. Finding them so relatable + baby fever will do that to you.

#asks #toh #I love sad star boys so much #they are me in a way. so I love them a lot #Collector is still my favorite character atm #and I'm obsessed with consuming Archivist fancontent while the show seems to be over for good lol

[pageofheartdj]

Speaking of Archivists

How BIG they are?? Look at our Collector, he is so small compared to them!

And remember how he was when he was freed?

This is probably his original size before he shrinks himself to titan baby scale!

ALSO I am curious about their thingies on their hats. Or rather the color. Is this like a representation, that they push down what is unacceptable for a collector? They have their color only on their representative celestial bodies. While our Collector, who probably didn’t fit in, has his purple fully on his form.

#the owl house #toh spoilers #toh #the collector #toh archivists #i wanna them to have different clothes still xD #they still probably have split yellow blue face and yellow red eyes #and white hair! #but clothes color can have some blue gray variety?XD #show me their faceeeees TT

[sophfandoms53]

Love that we got new angles of him and that he finally barely moved but the real question is

WHEN WILL HE SPEAK

#never the answer is never #me whenever Caleb shows up but doesn’t talk: “were you silent? or were you silenced?” /j #on my hands and knees dana #what will it take #give us an animated flashback with him and Evelyn #let them SPEAK #also British Zeno real i am still on that #won’t let it go until he actually talks #the owl house #toh #toh spoilers #the owl house spoilers #caleb wittebane

[bugchuckles]

approximately One Million Percent on board with hunter potentially apprenticing to dell clawthorne and learning to carve palismen as part of his therapy-slash-redemption arc. flapjack supervises

#the owl house #toh #hunter #hunter wittebane #flapjack #toh spoilers #potentially?? i mean if you've seen the new episodes OOF #yes that's the palisman log eda got luz. yes those are boo boo buddy bandaids. yes that's a bluejay he's carving. SHUT UP IM COPING #cannot believe this is my first self-motivated toh art. THEY FUCKING GOT ME. PICKED ME UP FROM MY NECK #i will not spoil anything but the last two episodes made me SO FUCKING MAD LMFAO. ARTHUR FIST LEVELS OF ANGRY #anyways it's literally the last day of finals and i am STILL PROCRASTINATING. SOMEBODY COME MAKE ME DO WHAT IM SUPPOSED TO INSTEAD OF THIS #my art #knives #injury #just in case. PLEASE hunter im begging you wear gloves i've never seen you without them in the show PUT EM BACK ON

[space--butterflies]

I've seen a lot of shows with lackluster finale, but never has the finale of a show actively ruined the rest of the series for me like Watching and Dreaming

#toh critical #toh salt #Luz's actions in the prior seasons meaning nothing #because the titan just gave her the glyphs #she didnt earn anything #belos being made to a villain whos just evil for the sake of being evil #all the goddamn retcons #hunter still becoming caleb anyway completely ignoring his character arc of NOT being caleb #the fucking collector being made into a uwu soft boy who doesnt know any better whe. #when we SAW in earlier episodes he fucking knew what death was and was EXCITED to see everyone die from the draining spell #just... the only episodes i could possibly re-watch are the season 1 finale #hollow mind and thanks for them #THE SHOW SAYING LMAO SIKE AND MAKING LUZ THE GODDAMN CHOSEN ONE ANYWAYY??? #EVEN AFTER EPISODE FUCKING 2 MADE A POINT OF SAYING SHES NOT??? #lmao i hate this show