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#Eggman really influenced these kids
tornado1992 · 3 months
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Bowing comes natural to show off kind of characters, they are awesome, they are cocky, they are amazing and they know it.
But even if bowing it’s natural instinct or a character trait, there are different ways to bow, and you must admit, this is an specific kind of bow.
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Sonic really did spent great part of his formative years around Eggman.
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Little Sonic very much was a little shit with an additude[affectionate] that had only himself to take care of, to pick the most dangerous and coolest path perceived to him and never let himself be hindered by bystanders. But then suddenly he had another kid to take care of. He had to learn to be responsible for more than just his own survival, he had to ration his resources better, to take the needs and desires of another person into account, to slow down explain and be patient, and realizing that having people around that he can lean on is a good thing sometimes. (even if he doesn't really carry that lesson with him. He knows it's there but a dunce hat on you if you think he'd remember it's there for his own sake)
But what if he met Tails way down the line or never at all? What would their relationship be like then, when Sonic mostly figured himself out with no strong outside influence.
I believe he would still go from doing what's cool to what he believes is right, beat Eggman along with any villain that crops up in his path, and make friends all over the world, but without Tails by his side so early on, I don't think any of the relationships he could hold would be as deep or meaningful to him because he only ever had himself to worry about, never feeling the need to connect with anyone beyond friendly hello's and occasional team-ups to defeat the big bad of the week. He would be friendly, but without a little guy around to always keep an eye on, also double the reckless and additude heavy speedster one would be usually accustomed to.
Always at arm's length and never quite reachable, no matter how close he holds his friends when rescuing them from a mad doctor's trap.
Always feeling there's something missing.
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generic-sonic-fan · 2 months
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The Sonic Crew, 40 Years Later-
Just one of many possibilities, of course, but I challenged myself to imagine what Sonic's crew and Team Dark might look like when they're older. Long post beneath the cut:
Sonic
The one who changed the least
Still an absolute daredevil with a heart of gold
All that running and frequent injuries did a number on his knees and he started using knee braces and a cane/crutches in his late 20s
(it took him a while to be okay with this, but he's over that now)
(He can still run if needed, but he'll be hurting for a few days after.)
Gets his need for speed by racing cars, motorcycles, the Tornado, and by skydiving
Still LOVES helping people and spends a lot of time volunteering
Yes, he's still signing autographs
He's got a permanent home now, mostly to store the Tornado and his other vehicles. He took over Tails' workshop when the fox left for greener pastures and likes keeping the place fixed up.
He's been reading a lot more. Now that he's got a permanent place, his library collection is massive
He's just taking it one day at a time, man. Always has, always will
Tails
The one who changed the most
He owns a garage in the city now, with a sign on the door that says "Prower's inventions and tinker shop"
He always knew that he wanted to sell the things he made, but he had absolutely zero interest in the business side of things outside of running social media accounts
So he's gone indie! He's almost more of an artist and influencer than a world-class inventor, but don't let that fool you
He's still selling his patents to top companies and making a crapton of money
(he's the second most well-off of the friend group aside from Rouge.)
So how's he changed?
He's lost a lot of his childlike innocence, become increasingly more focused on people's perception of him and making online content
and ultimately, he chose technology over the outdoors
Sonic kinda knew that sort of thing was inevitable, but it still hurt when Tails decided to move to the big city and stop exercising as much
But he's very happy where he is and how he's living, and he and Sonic still catch up with each other frequently
Knuckles
Still guarding the Master Emerald!
But he's really learned how to do more with his life despite staying on one island for most of his time
Tails finally convinced him to install enough technology to keep him connected to the world below
Since then, Knuckles has become the number one expert on Echidna anthropology/archaeology in the world
He's written several books using speech-to-text technology
(it's been difficult work- he's not the best reader or writer, but he put the effort in and now he's a published author!)
When he's not writing or giving talks on Echidna culture over video call, he's still taking care of Angel Island, growing his own food, and making more discoveries about ancient Echidna culture. That much hasn't changed
Ever since the defeat of Eggman, he's more willing to take vacations off of Angel Island, but it's still a rare occurence
He usually notifies the friend group via group chat whenever he plans on coming down for a visit, often resulting in reunions
Amy
Amy absolutely "settled down" and opened the bakery she's always wanted to open
Unlike Tails, she LOVES the business side of things along with the actual baking
Her bakery is one of the most famous in the city she lives in now
She loves the thrill of commanding the kitchen staff and managing all the tasks that go into producing good pastries!
She also developed a love for children, and spoils any child in her vicinity rotten
And she has kids of her own, duh
She helps organize and moderate the group chat for the old friend group
And she loves coordinating visits/reunions
Her house is always open to anybody and everybody. She loves entertaining guests, especially if they're old friends
Her house is SO cute and homey it's almost overbearing
When her kids have kids she is going to be the sweetest grandma ever
Rouge
Already detailed in this post here!
Shadow
He's matured a lot, finally having enough wisdom to act as "the wise immortal"
He's become a nomad, sort of like how Sonic used to be, except he takes things at a much slower pace
(he retired from GUN and absolutely had a midlife crisis. this is the result)
He keeps diligent journals of every place he visits, food he tries, people he meets, and so on
He's picked up on Sonic's hobby of learning languages due to his travels
He's gotten much better at socializing with strangers but still prefers solitude
. . . but he still carries a phone on him and participates (albeit rarely) in the old friend group chat
(Rouge and Omega have him on speed dial, of course. He'll drop everything at their beck and call, even if it's a simple "I miss you")
He's gotten more interested in some more esoteric stuff that would've made his younger self cringe, like poetry and spirituality
The world knows him as a bit of cryptid, lol
Omega
Unlike Shadow, he's not retired!
He left GUN and became a freelance operator. Kind of a mercenary, except he has just a touch more discretion than that
(His version of a midlife crisis happened when he finally killed Eggman circa 30 or so years ago. Those were some messy, messy times, but since then he's made peace with his continued existence)
He is still Angry, of course, but he's a lot more chill than he used to be. Sometimes this throws Shadow for a loop.
His ego, though ever-present, has been tempered by age
Mostly because he kinda thinks his younger self was a bit cringe??
Mention the word "Meatbag" and he'll get stoically embarrassed about it
Anyways, he's also a nomad, traveling the world to do jobs and stopping by Tails' garage for repairs
He stops by Rouge's house often, and meets up with Shadow at least once a month
("YOU ARE THE FOOLISH ORGANICS THAT CONVINCED ME OF THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP. YOU ARE NOT GETTING RID OF ME SO EASILY.")
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egg-emperor · 1 year
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Thankful for The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog giving some good examples the exact kind of Eggdad Eggfam dynamics stuff that I really wanna see if it has to be a thing in the games. Would be very happy to see more of this. It's been going around out of context but I like it in context much more
I like how he encourages his robots to compete to impress him and be "rewarded", which keeps them motivated and loyal in serving him. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I've been fucking talking about in my Eggdad tag!!! WIN
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Then you end up with robots built with the desire to serve him! Them specifically being programmed with those desires makes it seem a lot more artificial and shallow and that's why I like it, it feels very accurate because both Eggman and his creations prioritize pleasing him.
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And he takes pride in their sentience and loyalty only being possible thanks to his genius, of course 🥰
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And I like how this also plays a part in the Mirage Express' crisis about the conductor leaving, as that is what it saw as its bounty and all and the wish it had
The turning people into robots for Sage to play with thing is good because it can be a way for him to try to get her to see and use people as play things, just like he does.
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His 'parenting' involves evil and it can be a way of having a bad influence which is another thing that can be helpful in getting his creations to be on the same page and agree with all his beliefs and desires too.
I also like that Sage is red not blue so she's evil again, which I highly expect in the future main games because there's no way he'd revive her as a good person over who he actually created her to be if he can do anything about it, like Flynn was seemingly hinting at too
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I also appreciate Eggman being as big of an angry asshole to Orbot and Cubot as usual and them not acting like he's ever been genuinely nice to them
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And I like to think Eggman approved only shirts for his "kids" to wear that hype HIM up. Whether he has them made or not, it's funny that's the case instead of them having like "best daughter/son" shirts, it has to be all about him like he always wants hehe
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Something that would make it funnier is that it could potentially also be Metal's "birthday" in the game too, since he shares an anniversary with Amy because maybe that's why they have party hats and yet it's still all about Eggman over the potential birthday boy lol
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playertwotails · 8 months
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hello, i saw an ask were someone asked you if you thought tails ever attempted to find his parents and it made me wonder if you ever thought of a scenario were tails father had no idea he even existed or he was led to believe by tails mother that she gave him away and he couldn't find him?
Okay I read when you sent it and been thinking about this one for the whole time. Sorry for the late reply but my sister had her baby so things have been busy.
But moving on from personal stuff, I love this idea but I'm gonna take it a step darker....what if Tails' mother told his father that Tails tragically died.
So going into my take of an AU for this here and it's gonna be long so putting it under the cut
So what if Tails' mother was actually from an influential family or something or they both are. But image is VERY important to her. So when she had Tails with his two...well..tails she was immediately not okay with this cause (spongebob mocking voice) "whAt WoulD oThEr peOpLe tHInK." So Tails' mom starts-a-plotting.
So while Tails is still a baby or like at least like a one year old, she goes on a trip with just her and Tails. So during this "trip" she tragically "loses" Tails and she goes crying home that he died in like a storm or an Eggman attack or something. In reality she legit just left him in a random forest on West Side Island.
So without a body Tails' father looks for him but tiny little guy in a big world and his mom purposely telling him the wrong area means 0% chance of finding baby Tails.
Years then go by and Tails and Sonic start gaining notoriety for their shenanigans and their adventures get back to Tails' parents sphere of influence.
Now obviously they can't 100% confirm that this Tails is their kid but like how many two tailed foxes can there be??? So Tails' father is pretty gun-ho of tracking down Tails just to like at least see if he's maybe their long lost kid, but his mom uses the excuse of she's still so "upset" and "traumatized" from losing him that she doesn't think they should go cause "What if it's not him?! She couldn't possibly handle loosing her baby a second time!!!" (cue fake tears worthy of an Emmy). But the whole time she's like internal sweating like "oh fuck what if he finds out that's our kid and I actually straight up abandoned him!!"
She manages to delay a trip for them to find and talk to Tails for a while but eventually Tails' father just goes and tries to track him down himself.
Side note 1) - I'm thinking that Tails' parents didn't have another kid because while his mom claims it's from the trauma of losing her first baby it's really because after her first kid came out with what she believes to be a deformity she's scared a second one would too. So no surprise siblings for Tails (though that would also be interesting to explore - I ain't got the brain capacity for that in this particular post)
Side note 2) - it would be interesting if during her stalling time she hires people to try and either straight up kill Tails or just someone who would fake the paternity tests to say Tails is not their kid. Maybe both???? You know what yeah why not both.
I feel like a hitman going after Tails would be interesting though cause I'm always a sucker for protective older brother Sonic and you can bet that it would be in overdrive if someone goes after Tails with the express purpose of killing him.
So while Sonic and Co. are fighting off hired hitman and trying to figure out who sent them, this random ass guy shows up claiming to possibly be Tails' father. Immediate alarm bells start going off in all their brains (double for Sonic if you include the SAT-AM cartoon episode where Eggman legit made fake parents claiming Tails is their lost kid for the express purpose of kidnapping him).
So they all start looking into this guy and actually do go through with a paternity test. And surprises of surprises when it come back positive. They then proceed to do it 5-8 more times with different Drs (or whoever does this idk) to make sure he ain't faking it somehow. But nope turns out that yep this is Tails' real dad who is saying he's been looking for him this whole time. (press X for doubt from Sonic and Tails)
But when Tails' father starts explaining his side of the story including where Tails' mother claims to have lost Tails. Tails and Sonic are immediately suspicious cause where his mother told his father he was lost is basically on the other side of the planet from West Side where Sonic found him.
They reiterate this to Tails father, who they are still suspicious of that's he's lying but they trying to figure out what's real and not from what he's saying. And the man is confused cause lookin at a map he also knows 2 + 2 ain't equaling 4 between their two stories.
Cue all them deciding to go to Tails' mother to see what she says from her side of things. The whole time still having to fight off various hitman cause they still coming.
They get to Tails' parents home town and Tails' mom immediately plays up the "oh woa is me, I don't want to get attached until I know he's really my baby." And at this point she's at the top of everyone's (but maybe the not the father's yet) list of being behind the hitman so no ones buying her bs.
So to try and catch her in her lie they ask to do the paternity tests with both of them (not telling her they've already run Tails' fathers multiple times with all positive results). And lo an behold, both come back negative. And she immediately tries to play the "oh how tragic you are not our kid, but best be on your way" but whoops the father reveals the like 6 positive tests he's already done so now she's caught in her own lie.
And idk where to go from here so if anyone want to "yes and" this post (or really any of mine) feel free. Just @ me so I can read them.
Hope you liked my take on this idea
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First post, of course I had to do one of the main protags of this au and the ship that kinda started it all - Silvamy, aka the Rose family! (yes all the kids have amy's last name, more on that later.) Lets get into this sweet yet spicy fam. Silver T. Hedgehog
Age: 42
Occupation (Disaster Relief Specialist/ Timestone Guardian)
Extra Notes - still not fully satisfied with silver's older design, I think its because he's supposed to feel out of place amongst the present day sonic cast to really sell the futuristic aspect, i scrolled through a ton of silver au fanart to get inspo because i was stumped and didn't want to just slap some scruff on him and call it a day, especially since he joined the guardian of powerful gems club with blaze and knuckles (still working on the kinks but basically eggman nega survived his entrapment in the chaotic inferno, found out about the timestones and made little big planet the new holding ground for an infantile infrit, slowly working on "raising" it so he can subjugate the past, present and future and accomplish what his forefathers have always lacked - world domination and an another race against time to save the future ensues.) - Silver is now the guardian of the time stones and got an boost in psychic power and I wanted to give him an indicator similar to knuckle's crescent mark or blaze's forehead gem hence the teal markings. He has pulled an captain america and now safely stays in the past with his wife and kids and works similar to the zone cops of the archie comics but way more powerful and freelance. he also helps out with natural disasters like earthquakes or tsunamis thanks to his upgraded psychic powers. To end on an literal fluffy note, his wife and kids love the extra chest fur.
Amy Rose
Age: 40
Occupation: Event Planner/Fitness Trainer (Part-Time)
Extra Notes - pretty happy with amy's design, wanted to do something different from the long-haired cottagecore amys for sonamy fams, not knocking them - they work well for that dynamic but amy has an trio of very unique kids to parent, an time traveling husband and spends her days dealing with picky customers for all sorts of events and still find time to occasionally teach self-defense class and yoga to young women, she needs to be ready at all times. I wanted to go for an more casual and classic feminine nicole watterson vibe (yes, she is hiding muscles under that sweater dress :P.) - kudos to anyone who can get why she has 
glasses! I think the half-moon ones really suit her!
Zenia Rose
Age: 15 (Born May 23rd)
Powers: Enhanced durability, Enhanced senses, telekinesis, minor chaos energy manipulation, empathetic sensing/linking/inundation, minor telepathy 
My precious cinnamon roll! Zenia was the first serious sonic oc I ever made so I wanted to do her justice! She leans alot more towards her father in terms of appearance, power set and personality being a bit of an socially awkward and humble overthinker but she has her mother’s big heart and very caring and optimistic outlook on life, her parents nurtured her powers and her emotional capability in equal measures and thus she’s pretty well rounded in expressing and understanding the feelings of herself and others, though she tends to get more overbearing with those she’s close with, all round an very feminine girl next door archetype. As far as design goes, I wanted silver’s vibe but amy’s coloring and clear fashion influence with a dash of zenia’s more natural and graceful preferences, so pastels, frills and flower motifs were a go. I’m pretty proud of the idea of how to mimic her dads - lets say, “unique” quill style but make it more feminine so I took the spines at the back of silvers head and moved them to the front to be curtain-like bangs to always give her an demure look and then enlarged and curled his crown of quills and pushed them back behind an headband to give an bump it style, the rest is an homage to those long haired amy designs I mentioned earlier! She looked a lot like amy’s original design when she was an bab. Also her powers are a spring green instead of a teal like her dads because they are weaker and more emotion based. Silver personally made her energy cuffs and couldn’t say no when she asked for an flower design as the insignia. 
Auger Rose
Age: 8 (Born October 10th) Powers: Enhanced durability, enhanced senses, tarot card manipulation, minor precognitive ability (boosted when using tarot cards), minor chaos energy manipulation, acrobatics. Auggie! The quintessential middle child and only boy of the family - Auger’s family never makes him feel left out which he appreciates but he appreciates his own solitude and doing things at his own pace more. Silver initially worried that his own former solitary ventures in his once ruined timeline or even the powers hes gained from the time stones themselves has re-emergence in his son especially when auger revealed how he gets  flashes of the potential future sometimes but eventually amy and silver realizes thats just how their kiddo is, he’s not trying to be standoffish or emotionless, he just does and expresses things differently and thats okay, auger knows his family loves him and he shows the same affection in his own subdued way, plus his sisters keeps him on his toes and lets him shine when need be. Augers design is an mesh of forgotten concepts or concept arts of amy and silver, I always wanted to bring back amys tarot card abilities since thats what technically got her into the main cast plus they are an fun way to connect silver and amys dynamics and personal goals into their kid. I ripped off the hair design from my first actual sonic oc - Specs the hedgecat and tweaked it a bit to fit more inline with auger’s personality - ie tamed but not stuffy. Augers eyes are perpetually half-lidded for an myriad of reasons and he always has that waist belt with him as it carries his own special deck of tarot cards. Can’t remember how I came up with his fur color, He’s an autumnal baby with his twin sister so I just rolled with that I think.  Fun Fact - Auger is a tool with a helical bit for boring holes in wood and is an personal play on the word, Augur which is the ancient roman practice of observing birds to interpret omens! Maple Rose
Age: 8 (Born October 10th) Powers: Enhanced durability, enhanced senses, enhanced strength, piko-piko hammer, acrobatics, spindash, homing attack
The baby of the family, auger’s twin sister and probably the reason amy and silver stopped at three kids. Maple is the wild child of the trio and took all of her parents headstrong traits and cranked them up to 11, having a very strong sense of justice and action taking but oftentimes leaping before she looks. The type of child to constantly be sulking in the principal's office because she fought with another kid who was being a jerk, pouting not because she’s sorry but because she’s getting in trouble for something the bully started. An tomboy playground protector if you will with tons of energy to burn and big dreams to fill. Amy wonders semi-fondly if this is adorable karma for always wondering what a child with sonic will be like as her little girl looks up to the blue blur immensely and wants to be the next big hero of her generation. Amy severely regrets the day she let sonic teach maple how to spindash (fun fact - she’s the only one of her siblings who can do it successfully!) and both her and silver are still trying to figure out how to explain their decorated history with sonic without the girl jumping to fantastical conclusions, this coupled with the fact maple carries her mothers legacy of the piko piko hammer and well…knee pads, helmets and bandages are always running out at the rose household with maple playing hero. All in all however, Maple is an loyal friend and while she can be pushy at times, tell her to back off and she will, having two more soft spoken siblings has certainly helped tame her more out there ideas and tendencies. Design wise - maples coloring was to complement her brothers but I headcanon amy’s father as being an red hedgehog so took that and mixed it with silvers darker hue to make that maple sap color work and I takes cue from the classic rough and tumble troublemaker kids of old cartoons, tooth knocked out and everything as well as using silvers unique quill shape to have the excuse to emulate maple leaves for her hair, always has some form of bandage or dirt on her no matter how many times her mothers tries to keep her clean. 
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themetalvirus · 1 year
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sonic's influence on sage is really sweet. eggman's kid looks up to sonic as a role model. it lends itself well to So Much Conflict
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coffeelotionzone · 4 months
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Some head canons for Falke Wulf in the modern/classic canon because I'm a loonatic and there's no stopping me Part 2?????
( Aka : More dumb head canons to barf out on this cursed site. Merry Christmas!(⁠ノ⁠◕⁠ヮ⁠◕⁠)⁠ノ⁠*⁠.⁠✧ )
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✨The best way that I can describe Falke is that he carries a " lame uncle " kind of vibe? Like he's untrustworthy to a LOT of people but he's also weirdly charming, the " takes you to the arcade even though your grounded" way.
✨With that being said, he's a ABSOLUTE horrible influence around kids who should know better, doesn't help that he would bully them if the opportunity was there . Also he would not bat a eye if some one ran with scissors in their baby hands. He probably say something like " Cool! Get em! Let blood pour the streets! :D " )
✨ Smells like a hardware store. Specifically Home Depot. I don't know why but that's the scent I think. Also hardware stores smell really good okay. Or a campfire
✨He can dance. Just in the goofy rizz kinda way ( Like Jon Arbuckle )
✨He's very durable. I remember in the fan Sonic wiki something about him being high in pain tolerance, so if someone where to beat him in a pulp...it would hurt ( DUH ) but he would get on his feet quicker and shugg it off ( He's pretty tough for someone so scrawny )
✨ Flake takes a lot of naps. Because of the nightmares and stress from Wendy, he does have dark circles under the eyes ( well hidden but there ) and after he and the gang are free from Wendy, Falke would take naps anywhere any time. It explains a little about the bed head.
✨ Takes any opportunity to urk Tails, whether it's a day to save from Eggman or just being chill with nothing going on. HE BULLIES CHILDREN ( If Tails were to trip and fall on the ground, Falke would say " LMAO skill issue :D " and Tails would be like >:( )
✨Of course Tails shows a lot of maturity for a kiddo like him and would pipe back something smart that's too much for Falks brain to handle and Fake couldn't think of anything clever to contradict that and do would just go ಠ___ಠ . Remember Tails has canonical sass and sarcasm he inherited from Sonic lol
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Sticks and the SCU boys being terrible influences on each other and being general menaces for the boom crews.
the gang tried to play jungle predator. once. all three of the scu boys tool it way way too seriously. scu tails kept making traps out of anything he could find including some that where never triggered and over the next couple weeks random villagers keep getting caught in them. scu sonic spent 10 years in hiding he knows how to stay out of sight. no one sees him during the game until a few seconds before he strikes. scu Knuckles was raised a warrior and is going all in at jungle predator and his brothers made very sure that he understood that it is basically just a training exercise and please do not murder anyone today. sticks is loving how much they’re getting into it. and has gone absolutely vicious. 
Sticks sees scu tails’ boomerang and quickly proceeds to sharpen her own one. Amy has tried and failed to confiscate it.
the scu boys keep getting extremely invested into Sticks stories and all listening intently. and sonic adding on with some of the ones he’s heard from crazy Carl.
the scu kids don’t fully comprehend what dose and dose not count as stealing. and will take things that seem abandoned or not in use. they are often completely wrong. many apologies have been issued by the boom crew as they yet again return items to various villages.
scu sonic found what what oobleck (that things thats a liquid but hard when you hit it.)  is and showed sticks. she ended up ranting for an hour about it being an alien concoction for making an inescapable trap.and at one point she ended up tossing the tub of it and all four ended up covered in it as well as whatever place they where at. and this was the point where it was decided that the four of them where no longer allowed to be left together without super vision.
many people have got caught in the crossfire of a superpower Cain instinct fueled fight. the scu brothers as with basically all their interactions take sibling squables to the extreame.
the villagers quickly learn not to insult any of the scu boys after: tails pulling a gun out “do you want to repeat what you just said about my brothers?” Sonic charging and zapping them with no hesitation and knuckles challenging them to fights in his brothers honor.
The boom crew have never felt more existential dread until the moment they overheard the trio laughing about something out of sight and going to see what was happening, only for them to go dead quiet, freeze and give that classic guilty kid look. The boom crew never found out what they did and live in fear to this day.
boom sonic has had to grab scu sonic many times mid run because he got an idea in his head and as any hyperactive kid with super speed would just went for it without really thinking about it. boom sonic is completly exhausted dealing with scu sonic who is excited at every little thing he sees. And he’s not used to someone with more energy than him.
scu tails and boom tails are equally facinated by each others inventions and loving swaping stories about their two diferent worlds. but boom tails is quite concerned about how many of scu tails’ inventions are dangerous weapons.
there is quite a bit of tesion at first between scu and boom knuckles. mosly comming from scu knuckles side, he hasnt seen another echidna since he lost his tribe and he’s not quite sure how to deal it. especialy one who seems to have no knollage of the echidna of this worlds culture. but things calm down and scu knuckles feels a bit more comfortable. at one point the two of them end up digging a massive pit out in the woods. 
Sticks is having the time of her life now that she has people that are as feral, wild and prone to trouble as her.
Amy is *this close* to marching over to Eggman’s lair and have him lock the scu trio + sticks up so she can have some piece and quiet.
Eggman is in a constant state of “awe so cute” and fear of the boys.
The boom crew are relieved when they can hand the boys back over to Tom and Maddie (they enjoyed their company but they’re such a handful. And they would not say no to future visits)
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Seeing you talk about Movie!Sonic is so funny, because I could blab on for literal hours about how the characterization of Movie!Sonic is so good because he's just a kid and he's still learning and because he was alone for so long he clings to his new family and how his and Tom's relationship is just aadbhalsdjijhde and how he makes so many references because pop culture was all he had for 10 years and how the death of Longclaw still affects him to this day and how he was able to connect with Knuckles on a deeper level because of their shared loss and how he grows and changes through the influence of his parents and brothers and how he lived alone for 10 years surviving by himself and still managed to remain positive and how he purposely didn't run to San Fransisco by himself because he didn't want to leave earth just yet to be even more alone for the rest of his life and how he was able to encourage Tails and immediately adopted him and how he gave up the power of the emeralds to be with his family and how he was ready to KILL Eggman on sight the second the showed back up again and how he grew in between the first and second movie because he's a growing boy and finally has good nutrition and how he's so CUTE and FLUFFY and asdakdsjh
And you're like, "He's so annoying though."
And you know what? Valid. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's all good, on a surface level, I get that the whole "found family" scenario is a cute one.
But as a long time appreciator of this series, it's difficult for me to swallow that while knowing what makes Sonic Sonic is that he's not bogged down by negative emotions or insecurities. At least, not like THIS.
Sonic's someone who isn't bothered by being alone. In fact, he almost enjoys it maybe more than being in crowds. He likes meeting new people and interacting with them but he values his time with himself and just experiencing what life has to offer at his own speed. He was never afraid to explore, to go out into the world and see new horizons no matter what joys or dangers it'll bring.
And let me get even more controversial; I did not care for the owl mom. She had barely any screen time to warm up to her and give her a character beyond "Parental figure who dies in the first five minutes of the movie to garner cheap sympathy points from the audience".
Also why wasn't she.....structured like the usual Sonic character? I...
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I get there's an "arc" but it's a forced one. They HAD to force it to make him bonding with Tom and Maddie like they're his parents make sense. Again, using contrived plot points to lazily get from point A to point B with the basic structure they copy and pasted from other road trip movies like this. And a "character arc" that also lazily gets thrown on top of it.
I don't know. Cute moments just isn't enough to justify this for me as a viewer. I know this may come off as me being just cynical but it's more that I've been wise to the ways Hollywood uses dirty, cheap tricks to manipulate the audience's emotions to make things seem deeper than it really is. And it's just been getting worse. (especially in MCU movies pheewwwwwwwww)
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la-nom-nom · 6 months
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Previously
About time I tackle it.
I was an early 2000s kid so Dreamcast-Dark eras is my nostalgia for Sonic. However, to tell you the truth, I don’t really miss those times. There were good things but also things that did damage. Adventure? Eggman gets dethroned as Sonic’s main menace until Colors(from the more criticized Meta era). Adventure 2? Kickstarted the ultimate investment of Shadow the Hedgehog which overstayed its welcome into someone else’s anniversary game. Heroes? Limited interactions between characters, trio gimmick, and speed/flight/power system. I haven’t played 06 but it was the final straw for some. Things I’ve seen of 06 rubs me the wrong way but I’ll still play it.
I’m not a fan of Flynn, Stanley or other western influence, but the thing with the franchise is that writers come and go. The direction will be something for awhile then it shifts.
The update 3 for Frontiers definitely isn’t perfect heck I wouldn’t say I had fun the first time around. The trials were hard af even on easy mode, unable to figure out the cyber levels(didn’t finish a single task) and a good chunk of the challenges were very unrewarding by not uncovering much of the map. I didn’t care for Sage but I didn’t hate her either. This isn’t a complaint but more of a comment, the ending was the same (Sonic and friends reunited/saved, Sage returning to Eggman) the way it was shown made it “look” different.
Don’t have much to say about the dialogue, I was paying more attention to the gameplay. I didn’t even run into the (in)famous line by Amy of stating she’s no longer a damsel in distress. I could see how this was upsetting considering her character but given it’s not a recommendation to trigger it in order to progress in the game, it feels like an overreaction.
The main thing I feel was good was being able to play Tails, Knuckles, and Amy again. The controls such as Knuckles gliding were a bit hard, I did wish the hammer was more used in Amy’s moveset but the magical cards were fine, I actually liked how whimsical she looked. Using different music scores for each character was a nice touch and so were the details like how they parry (Amy using her hammer, Tails using a spring, Knuckles using his fists). Another thing that I felt was good from update 3 is that the finale felt like a climatic finale, unlike the original which was a recycled mini game.
I don’t think Frontiers is any more guilty than other installments of the series. Almost every time I see on the internet of people saying “At least *insert other game* did this right/better unlike Frontiers” I just think: you know that other game you uphold also has some issues too right? I see Frontiers doing what those other games did: trying things out. It’s what Sonic Team has always did and will continue to do so.
Despite my mixed feelings about the update as a whole, that doesn’t change the feelings I had while playing the base game which was the majority of Frontiers. Does it have its issues and missed potential? Yes, but so did the games before it. Sonic Frontiers gave me an experience that I will remember fondly.
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badlydrawnmanic · 1 year
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[points at scourge] fatherless behavior
[breaks him down into his molecular components and studies him under a microscope]
it’s kinda sad how like…
maybe if he had a better relationship with his dad, maybe if he hung out with better people, he would’ve turned out okay. he would’ve been happy, but no
his dad was somewhat neglectful and absent in his son’s life due to his work
he doesn’t seem to have a maternal figure at all, or any other family for that matter
he fell into a group of not so pleasant people who undoubtedly influenced his behavior, presumably because he was lonely, who obviously didn’t care much for him or form any lasting social bonds
like. from what little we see of him as a kid, he seemed to be kind of quiet and calm until something snapped, until he was tired of being ignored and left alone
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yeah it’s just one panel, but that isn’t a look of malice. that’s just a sad kid who wants some attention, but knows he’s being ignored, or that he’s being brushed off because something else is more important to his dad than his own child, at least in the moment. that’s a somber look of dejection
it’s tragic, really. if he didn’t become so resistant to change as he grew up, to listen to others and be vulnerable, maybe things could have been better. his world’s eggman seemed to be genuinely kind. he could’ve gotten the father figure he so desperately wanted in his life, even if it wasn’t his biological dad
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there’s moments where you see him sort of realize these things i think. where he feels regret. that last panel in the first picture certainly isn’t pure shock, there’s hesitancy to it. a failure to argue against what sonic said. if he hadn’t fallen down this slippery slope into pure unfiltered angst and rage, he might’ve been okay
i love him as a character. he’s a fantastic foil to sonic, and while you can flatten him down to “edgy little snot who swears too much”, there is depth to his characterization. i feel like there’s a lot going on beneath the surface and it’s fascinating
anyway, he’s my blorbo and i can simultaneously fix him and make him worse while also making him into a funny little guy doing a funny little dance
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the-sky-queen · 2 months
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Note From: Doctor Robert Aster
You should know better than to threaten me, little girl. I am quite smarter than you'll ever be. If you think your little mind games and tricks can work on my children, you're wrong.
My children are not being harmed, and you are quite childish for accusing me of such things. I would rather not waste my breath on someone the likes of you.
Furthermore, on the topic of the movie, many things are up to interpretation. I do not appreciate you stating very clearly that the whole scheme of the criminal was "good at heart" when it's only blatant manipulation.
And Rapunzel must've understood that this "kidnapping" was for her safety. What would the king and queen have done? According to the series, shelter her as well. Gothel was doing her a favor by giving her a proper loving mother and environment away from danger, like all good mothers do. I am a good father to my children, and this disrespect will not be tolerated.
Besides, my kids already know not to trust strangers. Why would they take these "packages" from you if they think it's something dangerous like a bomb? Endangering them would only hurt them further.
I'm sorry for your clear displeasure of me, but this antagonizing must cease.
[photo attached: A pile of burnt dvds of movies]
I will not say this again: Stop giving me your idiotic movies.
Ps. Who is this "Rose" girl and how does she know me?
Dearest Doctor Robert Lucero Aster.
You are quite fascinating. You really are.
I can't wait to watch you lose.
When I choose to get in contact with your children, there is no stopping me. They may be influenced by you, but as I said before. I have my ways.
I love how nonchalant you're being about this whole thing. You claim you've done nothing wrong, but both of us know that isn't true. It's fascinating how thoroughly you can deny the truth. But you've always been good at that, haven't you?
You deluded yourself into thinking Eggman would ever think of you as anything more than an errand boy. That you would ever be his equal. That he would ever take you back.
And then you deluded others. I know you remember them. All of them.
Surge and Kit.
Niko.
Camellia and Kyle.
Damien.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Your illustrious self, reduced to this.
You're better than this. I know you are. You know you are. But you'll never change.
You always have to be right. Admitting you were wrong is impossible. Unthinkable.
It's going to be so fun to break you down.
Sincerely,
~ Sky
P.S. Excuse me sir, you're the one who contacted ME. If you wish to avoid getting your feelings hurt, kindly stop sending me messages.
P.P.S. Rose's identity is currently being protected by me and her friends. Though I doubt she'll allow herself to remain unknown forever . . . But it'll be her choice if she wishes to reveal herself.
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beevean · 1 year
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I made a long list of how similar IDW and NFCV are for me, and in general, I'd say NFCV is IDW but ten times worse - it's just that IDW offends me more personally because Sonic is my franchise.
There are however some things I consider IDW worse for. NFCV has some pretty great fights, for example, the best ones being Trevor vs. Alucard, the gang vs. Dracula, and Trevor vs. Death; I can't think of one fight in IDW that made me go "yoooooooo this is sick <3". But one can say, well it's a different medium, IDW doesn't have animation, it's not fair. True.
I noticed that there is very little discourse on how OOC characters in NFCV are. Mostly it's because NFCV fans rarely are game fans as well lmao, but game fans seem to accept that the characters don't quite have the same personality. It seems to go like this:
yes, this character isn't the same, but it's because the original didn't have much personality in the first place (Trevor: fans really think the dude has zero personality so it doesn't matter if he was written as a stereotypical snarky edgy drunkard. Other examples would be Sypha and Carmilla)
yes, this character isn't the same, and it's a shame because they were cooler in the games (Hector. Yeah, just him. Ironically, as much of a Hector stan I am, I'm also willing to defend his potential in S2 lmao)
yes, this character isn't the same, but good thing because the original sucked (Isaac, which drives me mad because the two Isaacs have nothing in common so why are you even comparing them)
Alucard isn't usually involved in this conversation even though I consider him extremely OOC, but on the other hand, I never see anyone swear that he's IC either. (and no one cares about St. Germain lol)
... and this is the biggest difference with IDW, because fans swear that its Sonic is perfectly in line with his games portrayal. Even though there are game screenshots that directly contradict what he says in the comic. Sonic is a man of few words, IDW Sonic won't shut the fuck up; Sonic's only "principle" is helping people in need but otherwise he does what he wants; IDW Sonic acts as if he's restrained by his own moral code ("I won't sacrifice my principles out of fear"); Sonic won't even consider the idea that Eggman could reform, IDW Sonic believes that brain damage counts as reformation; Sonic lifts Shadow up and reminds him that he saved the world; IDW Sonic taunts Shadow over trying to blow up the planet; Sonic listens to Tails' advice and apologizes when he doesn't, IDW Sonic brushes him off constantly; Sonic doesn't like being called honorifics like Mr. Sonic, IDW Sonic sees nothing wrong with being called "sir" by an obviously traumatized kid... you get the idea.
He's not the only OOC character, of course, because we also have a profoundly stupid Eggman and a rude Shadow and an Amy that flipflops between being a competent leader and a scaredy cat who reliquishes her authority to Jewel, among others.
But, with the sole exception of Shadow whose lousy portrayal is blamed on Mandates, fans seem to really believe there is nothing wrong with anything. Sonic really is a merciful guy who would beg Eggman to come around! He so would stand on a rock spouting his whole life philosophy! Eggman really never has a solid plan! Amy really is that badass (well, yes, she is, but not like that lol)!
So this is what's infuriating. It's not only watching characters you love being bastardized or treated without respect; it's the total dissonance between what you see and what the majority sees, and knowing that this is legitimately influencing fanon's perception of said characters.
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I saw this toss in about the whole "Eggdad" thing: Even if Eggman never lays a hand on Sage; that doesn't necessarily mean this stops for the rest of his creations. And Sage has to bear witness to that. (A parent showing blatant favoritism towards certain kids isn't wholesome by any means and hardly ever leads to anything good for every kid involved; including the ones that sucks up all the attention. It's silly to think that this wouldn't affect Sage in some way. Gamma wasn't an AI, and yet the actions Eggman had him do [and Amy's words] had him think twice. Omega was tossed away, and now seeks revenge. Even Metal Sonic rebelled, which ultimately resulted in him being reset. *With Sonic's influence changing how she calculated outcomes, what's stopping her from having her "canon event" later?)
*Note: This doesn't really mean yet another rebellion from an Eggman invention. (In anything, I'm more intrigued about the opposite happening. Like Sage struggling with perfectionism to NOT wind up like previous creations did. Constant approval seeking.)
Yeah exactly. I think a lot of the people who didn't wanna hear me out were missing the point of my analysis, hc, and fic about this. They were acting like I'm predicting that Eggman will be depicted smacking Sage around or something but I don't think he will because well- he literally can't. At least I don't think so because Sage is an AI program and his hands should just phase right through her if he were to try anyway.
Instead I was actually highlighting how terribly he treats all his other creations of Metal Sonic, the E Series, and Orbot and Cubot and how he's even manipulated those who were created/worked on by his grandfather with Emerl and Shadow. It'd make a lot of sense if he manipulated Sage in various ways and one way can actually be through treating her better than his other creations that he still treats terribly.
It's highly likely for him to at least be manipulative towards her, in fact he pretty much is in the Frontiers' story. Because he'll yell at her one moment when she doesn't do exactly what he wants but highly praises her the next when she does. He'll raise his voice and thump things that he can hit when he's angry at her, just as he does his other creations. Only difference is that he can't actually hit her like them.
But hitting them physically isn't the only way he can be a bad father and show concerning traits that support that. It's all throughout Frontiers for the above, which is present in multiple cutscenes. And also the way his value of Sage is solely rooted in what she can do for him and how great and impressive of a genius she makes him look as her creator in the first place, as he makes very clear in the memos.
That's already a lot of pressure put on Sage. She's expected to meet these expectations in loyalty and efficiency that Eggman brags about in the memos, otherwise she isn't reflective of his genius and doesn't bring him the selfish gain he desires, which will lose what gives her value and use to him in his own words! And not just that, but also the point you've raised about how he treats his other creations.
I've seen a lot of people acting like the way Eggman treated his other creations suddenly doesn't matter or just ignore it. But let's not pretend that Eggman isn't awfully cruel to Orbot and Cubot all the time in the games, which I explored in depth in my "proof that Eggman is a bad father" video. He has been verbally and physically abusive towards them and there's no other word for it or any excuses to make against it.
That isn't suddenly erased just because he sees more value in Sage (for very selfish conceited self serving reasons at that) and half-heartedly entertains the idea of Orbot and Cubot being like her brothers. It actually makes it worse that he's willing to see them that way with the way he treats them. It just means he's canonically both verbally and physically abusive to "kids" of his already, regardless of if he is to Sage.
I've seen it depicted in cutesy funny ways to have Eggman treat Sage better in front of the others, but the blatant favoritism of some creations over others, that's based on who is the most impressive and useful to him at the time, would have harmful effects on all involved in reality. Sage has to keep living up to that and he can use her as an example to get the others to fight harder for the same praise.
The Murder of Sonic had Eggman do this intentionally by having them compete against to serve him well to impress him and get praise and "rewards" and I really like that. He programs them with feelings just to take advantage of them like that and that's just so Eggman. I can see him doing more of the exact same thing in the main games with how their worth is determined by their use there too.
Sage, Metal Sonic, and Orbot and Cubot would all be affected badly by this when they realize Eggman's affection and praise is conditional, shallow, and manipulative in these ways. When they realize that it's really all determined by what is the most beneficial to him personally, while buttering them up to keep them loyal and efficient, set an example and act as a measuring stick to the others but tosses them if they fail.
And Gamma was also a victim of this as a top example of what shows how harmful it is when Eggman picks a favorite! Eggman praised Gamma highly and said he was proud of him in the exact same way he did to Sage and say that he knew he'd be of use (again proving that their value is determined by their use to him), to butter him up and keep him performing well- even though he clearly had doubts in him prior.
It was very manipulative of Eggman to that just like it appears to me with Sage too. It's even similar to TMoS in a way, with how he pit Gamma against Beta in a fight and all the E Series had to search for Froggy and he punished the failures cruelly by breaking them down, disassembling them and putting them back together, which disturbed Gamma so much that he was willing to kill his brothers to set them all free.
And Omega was shut away by Eggman and he hated being sealed in that room, not even the important duty of guarding the real Shadow and ensuring that he didn't escape was enough to feel valued and be happy. Just because he can be useful to him, it doesn't change that Eggman is still cruel and uncaring and will lock him away and not care if he wants it or not. His value and praise is a performance and only for his gain.
And Metal Sonic is also another of the top examples of what it's like to be treated badly by Eggman to the point that he tries to rebel twice but not be so lucky to escape like the E Series and Omega because he's trapped being reprogrammed again and again and kept under his control to ensure that he's not going anywhere. No matter how useful a creation is to him at one point or another, they all suffer in some way.
There are many ways Eggman could be cruel or harmful to Sage. I think he's already shown signs of how and used some tactics on her in Frontiers, going by his track record and the known intentions and reasons behind it confirmed by Ian Flynn. Maybe they'll decide to expand on it blatantly, maybe they won't. But I think it's there subtly already and those conditions are very accurate to his character.
Then you have the extras of Eggman calling Sage "ugly/unseemly" before he gave her shoes in the Sonic Channel art (what was seen as a sweet cute gift by fans still had him being a jerk in it like lol wtf Eggman) and in Murder of Sonic, he's still yelling at Orbot in front of her, so she has witnessed Eggman still very much being terrible to his other creations/her brothers and in front of her in official media already!
And yeah I don't see Sage betraying Eggman with the stuff she witnessed both from how he treats her and Sonic and co and how she still stuck by his side and stayed genuinely loyal and willing to protect and serve. Even after all that and how she also revealed that she doubted he even cared about her, as she asked Sonic if he thinks Eggman does (to which Sonic could only mutter "sure... in his own way" lol)
Eggman doesn't even have to give her much to keep her loyal and efficient as it's what he created her to do and it was a success, she's devoted and willing regardless of how he treats her. She was like that even before he gave her an ounce of praise and even after he yelled at her. But the manipulation of her emotions by buttering her up with that praise, albeit conditional, helps further ensure it will stay that way.
And when his other creations see the praise and approval Sage gets, they'll wish they could get that too and will work harder to try to please him, which is exactly what he wants. But he has and continues to treat his other creations terribly even in front of her when they don't, which puts even more pressure on her having to continue living up to that standard to keep him pleased and avoid ending up like them.
So yeah, regardless of how Eggman treats Sage on the surface, there's always those dark undertones, the bad signs that have shown in their interactions, and the toxic basis of their dynamic on Eggman's side as officially confirmed. It's supposed to be unsettling as Flynn said for a reason. And he still treats his other creations blatantly terribly in front of her which also isn't pleasant and can have harmful effects.
They're not the picture perfect family that people find cute and ideal and that's actually the point. And it will definitely be interesting to see how Sage remains loyal and devoted but will have to deal with her father doing things like this to her brothers and what she thinks and he feels about it. It will probably be like how she took a liking to Sonic and co but Eggman just wants them dead but still she stayed by him despite that.
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It's cool, we're just spitballing, right? (If there's a chance the birds were brought back or reworked, I'm almost certain they'll come with redesigns. Kinda like the Chaotix. {Speedy's Archie designs looks too close to Jet's} Plus, I think it'd be interesting if they got to bird species that are more obscure than the usual candidates. Could play a role on the gameplay goes with how many different birds there are.)
But yeah, I'm generally open to something completely new too. Again, hoping for a species that's not the most known or is underutilized. (I think this is why I don't care for them being a canine. Tails doesn't need a fox version of Shadow and fox/wolf dynamics are done to death.) Hmm, him discovering anthros that have unusual mutations/anomalies like him might be fun. And no, I don't mean more multi-tailed beings. :P (Since they more or less dropped it with Fang, I'm curious if they'd ever attempt a hybrid again.)
I remember seeing a post that highlighted how Eggman as a father, reeeally is not as wholesome as it's made out to be and actually sparks some worrying implications for Sage when you look back at old creations; including Metal. (INB4 before Sage expresses more jealousy whenever Sonic and Tails bond like family and tries so hard to replicate that, to Eggman's chagrin.)
Oh yeah! I think it would be interesting if they had characters based on the birds from around the world. It would really highlight the size of the armada and all of them could have distinct designs. (Even though technically all the birds are aliens so technically they're not from around the world? I have to admit I don't quite remember the bird lore. But even then it would be visual ques for the audience)
Omg fox!Shadow. The idea is just too funny. Personally I would have suggested a tanuki but we've already got Marine. Alternatively, instead of a canine, have Tails's antagonist be a species that foxes usually prey upon. Some visual storytelling. Hybrids... could be interesting but considering how many questions it'll spawn, probably not during the era when they're trying to keep lore cohesive.
YEAH. I have no delusions about Eggman and Sage's relationship. I don't begrudge anyone who wants to portray them as sweet and loving in their fanworks, but if we're talking canon-adjacent Eggman, there's no way. I think Eggman does care about Sage in his own way, the problem is that he doesn't care enough, and it could actually be more painful than if he didn't care at all. But the simple truth is that he's too self-absorbed to ever compromise on his desires in favor of Sage's and I wouldn't put it past him to outright manipulate Sage if he needs to. (Plus I'm worried he'll be a bad influence on her. (But of course he will be). She seems like a sweet enough kid now, but who knows what absorbing his views and fighting for his attention would turn her into.)
What's inevitably going to develop between Sage and the other creations of Eggman's is the Golden Child/Scapegoat dynamic. It's toxic all around and affects all the people involved, even if in different ways. It doesn't matter if Eggman considers other creations his kids the same way he does Sage because she does consider them her siblings, and what's important if we're talking about how it would affect her. Plus, and I already mentioned it before, even if he was the best father to Sage herself, it's a known fact that children get traumatized just from witnessing abuse happening around them, so the way he treats the people she also considers family would affect her. Sage is in a bad situation just from being a creation of Eggman's and I can't help but feel bad for her. (All she wants is a wholesome family life but it is impossible just by the virtue of her dad being a horrible person)
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