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#(i mean i think they left out the incest part BUT we all know it's usually in the Arthur story don't we?)
nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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spoilers from 1989 btw
Am I overthinking things (again) or is the stuff in Curse of Fenric where we're introduced to Millington with his Hitler-room where he's got a copy of a room in Berlin so that he can learn to think like the Nazis, and then by the end he's planning to blow up Moscow with the Weird Green Stuff, ie he has indeed learned to think like the Nazis? Which'd tie in with that vicar's loss of faith because of what The Good Guys have done in the war, wouldn't it? So is it a thing?
Last time I overthought Curse of Fenric I ended up wondering about the significance of Millington's "had to lock some men with a fire to save the ship" story coming about two scene's before Ace's gran gets the telegram saying that her husband's died in a fire on a ship and I was like "...is this implying that's what happened to him too?" because it does sound exactly like the telegram those men's wives would have got doesn't it? The navy wouldn't say "oh yeah we had to lock them in" they'd just there was a fire. And I never decided if that was what was being implied or if it's a "and now here's how that incident looked from another perspective" or if it's just two unrelated stories about men dying on boats. But it'd be odd if it was just that? So I dunno!
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queenshelby · 18 days
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Uncle Tommy (Part Two)
Pairing: Thomas Shelby x Niece Reader
Warning: Smut, Incest, Taboo Relations, DDLG, Dub-Con
And yes, this was a request! Please comment and engage!
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The following day, you woke up feeling refreshed and rejuvenated. Your thoughts immediately went to the previous night's events, and your cheeks heated with a mixture of embarrassment and excitement. You couldn't believe what had happened, but at the same time, you couldn't deny that it had been one of the most intense and pleasurable experiences of your life.
As you got dressed and headed downstairs for breakfast, you couldn't help but feel nervous about seeing your uncle again. Would he act differently around you? Would things be awkward between you two? Or would he pretend like nothing happened?
You entered the dining room, and spotting your uncle from across the room, reading the newspaper and sipping his coffee, you hesitated for a moment. Your heart pounded in anticipation as you took a deep breath and prepared yourself for what was to come.
"Good morning, Love," Thomas greeted you with a warm smile, as if last night never happened. "I hope you slept well."
"Yes, I did," you replied, letting out a sigh of relief as you sat down on the chair across from him as Frances served you breakfast.
The aroma of freshly brewed coffee and the warm scent of buttery toast enveloped you, making your mouth water.
But as you reached for the glass of orange juice, memories of last night came flooding back to you, igniting a spark of excitement in your belly.
Thomas watched as you picked up your fork and knife, ready to dig into the scrambled eggs on your plate. Your cheeks were slightly flushed, and you couldn't help but feel self-conscious under his gaze.
You tried to focus on your breakfast, but found that your appetite had waned.
"Is something on your mind, Love?" Thomas asked, his voice gentle and curious.
You hesitated for a moment before speaking. "No, it's just...last night," you admitted, looking up at your uncle with uncertainty in your eyes and he immediately put down his paper, folding up neatly.
Thomas met your gaze, a serious expression on his face. "You mean when you came all over my fucking fingers?" Thomas asked, his voice barely above a whisper. He reached for his coffee cup and took a sip, not taking his eyes off of you.
You gasped at his bluntness, suddenly feeling exposed and vulnerable. You couldn't believe what had happened last night and now, your uncle was bringing it up so casually at the breakfast table.
"Yes," you murmured softly, averting your gaze and focusing on your food once more. 
"What about it?" Thomas asked, raising an eyebrow at the obviously flustered young woman.
"I-I don't know," you stammered, taken aback by your uncle's directness. "I just can't stop thinking about it," you finally admitted, feeling a blush creeping up your cheeks once more.
Your admission caused a slow smile to spread across Thomas's face, and he leaned back in his chair, taking another sip of his coffee. "That's good," he said, his voice low and husky. "Because I would like to do it again tonight if you let me,"  Thomas admitted, his gaze never wavering from yours.
You gasped at his words, feeling yourself growing hot and flustered. You couldn't believe what your uncle was suggesting. But at the same time, you couldn't deny the excitement that was building up inside of you.
"I am seeing James today. We are going on a date, but maybe after, you could come to my room again , Uncle Tommy?" you asked, your voice soft and hesitant.
"A date, eh?"  Thomas asked with a raised eyebrow, his piercing blue eyes locked onto yours. You couldn't help but feel a little intimidated under his gaze, even as your body tingled with excitement at the thought of continuing where you left off last night.
"Yes," you admitted, nodding slowly. "I think it's important that I see him and that we talk about what happened.  Maybe we could even give things another try, you know. Because I really like him," you admitted nervously, causing your uncle to smile almost cheekily.
"I see," he said, chuckling slightly. "So, now that you are going to see this young man again, are you going to tell him about where you let your uncle 's fingers play last night, Love?" Thomas asked curiously, his voice low and intrigued, clearly trying to tease you. 
You felt your cheeks grow hot with embarrassment at his blunt question.
"Of course not," you blurted out, horrified at the thought of sharing this intimate information with another person. Your cheeks flushed as you imagined James's potential reaction if you were to tell him about this forbidden encounter with your uncle.
"Relax, Love. I was making a joke," he reassured you with a gentle smile, his eyes softening as he saw the look of embarrassment on your face before telling you that he had some business to attend to.
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After a long day and a rather pleasant date with James, you waited in your bedroom for your uncle's arrival .
Nervous, but excited by the prospect of what was about to happen, you let yourself relax as you changed into something more comfortable.
You were deciding between wearing a silk nightgown or a simple lace bra and matching thong when there was a knock at the door.
"Come in," you called out, feeling your heart rate spike as you heard your uncle's deep voice resonating through the door.
The door slowly swung open and Thomas stepped inside, closing it softly behind him as he took in your appearance.
"You made an effort, I see ," he remarked, his gaze lingering on the curve of your hips and the generous amount of skin that was on display.
"Do you like it?" you asked, turning your hips slightly to show the lace thong under the matching bra.
"I fucking love it," Thomas admitted, moving closer to you, his eyes dark with desire.
You inhaled sharply as he slid one hand up your arm and cupped your face gently.
"Now, do you know what happens to a man when he sees something as beautiful as you?" Thomas whispered, his lips hovering over yours and you shook your head, your breath hitching in anticipation as your face began to blush heavily.
"Do you want me to show you?" Thomas asked, his voice a low growl while his fingers were playing with your curls.
"Y-yes ," you stuttered, your heart pounding in your chest as his other hand trailed down your side, caressing your curves with an intimate familiarity that sent shivers down your spine.
"Then why don't you sit down, Love?"  Thomas suggested, gesturing towards your large four-poster bed. You did as he asked, your heartbeat quickening with anticipation as you watched him unbuckle his belt.
"Uncle Tommy, I am, -" you stammered nervously, blushing red. 
"Have you ever seen a man's  hard cock before?" Thomas interrupted, his eyes locked onto yours, challenging you to answer him truthfully.
Your heart skipped a beat as you shook your head , trying to suppress the thrill that was coursing through your veins.
"Then let me show you," Thomas said, slowly unzipping his pants and pulling them down his legs along with his boxers, releasing his thick, swollen cock.
You couldn't help but stare open-mouthed as your uncle's cock sprang free, proudly standing at attention.
It was thick and long, veins throbbing on its surface, and the tip glistening with a clear fluid. You'd never seen anything like it before, and your body reacted instinctively as moisture pooled between your legs.
"Do you like what you see, Love?" Thomas asked, a wicked glint in his eyes as he began to stroke himself slowly.
You swallowed hard, feeling a blush creeping up your cheeks. "Yes," you whispered, your voice barely audible.
Thomas smirked at your response before moving closer, closing the distance between you.
"It's very big ," you said softly, a hint of uncertainty in your voice as you continued to stare at his swollen cock.
"Do you think you would like to touch it , Love?" Thomas asked, his voice low and deep. You looked up at him through your lashes before nodding slowly.
"I think I would like that," you said, your voice a mere whisper as you reached out tentatively to touch the length of his cock.
Your fingers traced the throbbing veins on the surface, feeling the heat radiating from his aroused flesh. Thomas hissed in a sharp breath as your fingers made contact with him, his body jerking slightly in response.
You looked up at him with wide eyes, surprised by the reaction he had just given you.
"I will show you how to make a man feel good, Love," Thomas said.
With that, he placed his hand over yours, showing you the right way to stroke a man.
"Like this," he whispered as your fingers traveled up and down his thick shaft.
Thomas closed his eyes, savoring the sensation of your soft hands on him. He let out a low moan and leaned his head back.
Seeing how much pleasure you were giving him made you even more excited. You started to stroke him faster, your own heart beating like a drum in your chest at the thought of what was to come.
Thomas's moans grew louder, his hips thrusting forward to meet your hand every time you moved downward.
Desire coursed through your veins, and your body responded instinctively as moisture pooled between your legs. 
"That's a good girl ," Thomas groaned as your fingers worked their magic on his thick cock.
Thomas wrapped his hand around yours, guiding you in how to stroke his cock. He thrust his hips against your hand in rhythm with your movements, his breath hitching with every pass.
"Now why don't you take your panties off for me, Sweetheart," Thomas suggested, his voice husky with lust.
You didn't hesitate to slide your thong off your hips and let it fall on the floor. Your heart rate quickened as you felt your own excitement grow stronger.
"That's better," Thomas said, his gaze locked onto the bare flesh between your legs. "Do you know what I want to do now?" he asked, a wicked glint in his eyes as you continued to stroke him.
You shook your head, biting your lip nervously.
"I want to give your pussy a little kiss, Love ," Thomas answered before guiding you to lie back, causing you to remove your hand from his large manhood.
"But Uncle Tommy, I've never done anything like that before," you murmured softly, your cheeks flushed a deep shade of pink.
Thomas raised his hand to caress your cheek as he leaned down to whisper softly in your ear, "There's nothing to be embarrassed about, Love. Let me show you how good it can feel." With that, he gently spread your legs apart and lowered his head, his warm breath fanning across your exposed sex.
You couldn't believe what was happening. Here you were, lying back on your bed, completely naked from the waist down, with him about to go down on you. The sensation of his breath on your sensitive flesh already had you squirming with pleasure.
"Uncle Tommy," you moaned softly as you felt his tongue make contact with your aroused bud, sending shockwaves of pleasure coursing through your body.
"Now tell me about your date with that boy," Thomas murmured against your wetness, his breath hot and damp against your sensitive flesh.
You couldn't help but moan again as he pressed his tongue firmly against your clit, writhing beneath him as you struggled to answer his question.
"It was...good," you gasped, gripping the sheets beneath you tightly as his lips and tongue teased and tasted you. 
"What did you do?" he asked as he slid one long finger inside of you, curling it gently to reach that special spot deep within your core.
You cried out at the sudden intrusion, your hips bucking up off the bed as you desperately tried to ride his invading digit.
"He took me out for dinner, and we talked," you answered breathlessly, clutching at the sheets below you as he added a second finger, stretching you deliciously.
Thomas hummed in approval, his tongue swirling around your clit in lazy circles. "And what did you talk about?" he asked between licks and kisses.
"We talked about us, you know. How we could make it work this time," you panted, feeling your orgasm building up slowly but surely.
Thomas's tongue moved faster across your clit as his fingers curled inside your aching core. "Did he make you feel as good as I do, Love?" he asked, his voice low and seductive.
It was hard for you to think straight when your body was consumed by a maelstrom of pleasure.
"No," you cried breathlessly, your body writhing as his ministrations threatened to tear you apart. "No one has ever made me feel like this before."
Thomas paused, pulling back to look up at you with a wicked glint in his eye.
"Good, because I do not want him to fucking touch you like this," he said with a wink before diving back in, his tongue swirling around and around as you bucked and writhed beneath him, unable to control the sheer pleasure coursing through your veins.
"Oh god, Uncle Tommy, yes!" you screamed, your voice high and breathy as he pushed you closer and closer to the edge. "Yes, yes, yes!"
Thomas continued his assault on your clit, his fingers thrusting in and out of your slick folds as he pushed you towards a powerful orgasm. Your legs trembled as he held them apart, your hands gripping the sheets below you so tightly that your knuckles turned white.
Thomas's lips and tongue worked their magic, sending sparks of pleasure coursing through your veins with each stroke and lick. Let go," Thomas murmured against your slick flesh, his words sending tremors down your spine as you felt yourself growing closer and closer to release.
Your clit throbbed under his relentless tongue, the pressure building to unbearable heights as Thomas's fingers plunged into your core again and again. Your hips thrust up off the bed, desperate for more contact, more friction.
You were so close, so fucking close.
"Please, Uncle Tommy," you begged, your voice a whimper as you felt yourself on the verge of something powerful.
Thomas's tongue moved faster, lapping at your clit with renewed urgency as his fingers plunged in and out of your slick core.
"Come for me, Love. Let go," Thomas commanded as he curled his fingers just right, hitting that spot inside of you that had you seeing stars.
You obeyed, allowing yourself to sink into the abyss of pleasure as you came hard against his mouth. Your legs trembled and your stomach clenched as wave after wave of bliss washed over you. You screamed out his name, your voice echoing through the dark bedroom.
Thomas didn't stop. He lapped at your pussy greedily until the tremors subsided and you were left a panting, quivering mess on the bed. Only then did he pull away, slowly easing his fingers out of you and resting your legs gently on the bed.
He stood up and looked down at you, his piercing blue eyes gleaming with satisfaction. You lay there, still breathless and trembling from the powerful orgasm that had just rocked your body.
"That's my girl, eh?" Thomas said, a mischievous grin on his face as he wiped his mouth with the back of his hand.
You nodded weakly, still trying to catch your breath as you lay there, completely sated. Your body felt boneless, and your mind was buzzing with pleasure. You had never felt anything like that before, and you couldn't believe how intense the whole experience had been.
Thomas sat down on the bed next to you and pulled you into a soft embrace, stroking your hair gently as you rested your head on his chest.
"Did you enjoy that, Love?" he asked, his voice deep and rich.
You nodded, still reeling from the intensity of your climax. "Yes, Uncle Tommy. That was amazing," you replied softly, snuggling closer to him.
Thomas's arms tightened around you as he kissed the top of your head. "I'm glad, Love," he murmured huskily. "I've wanted to taste you like that for a long time," he told you before kissing the top of your head again. "Now do you think your Uncle Tommy could put just the head of his cock inside your little hole here?" Thomas then asked softly, teasing your sensitive pussy lips with his fingers.
"I don't know , Uncle Tommy. That seems like a big thing to do," you replied hesitantly, biting your lip as you felt a shiver of anticipation run down your spine.
"It is, Love. It really is," Thomas said, his voice deep and rich. "But I promise you, it will feel good and it's just the tip, eh? I am not going to put it all the way in." Thomas spoke softly, his voice a comforting whisper against your ear as he explored your slick folds with his fingers.
"Do you trust me, Love?" Thomas asked, looking down at you with a gaze so intense you felt it in your core.
"Yes," you responded, your voice thin and shaky. "I trust you, Uncle Tommy.  But just the tip,"  you confirmed softly, nervousness in your voice as you anticipated the feeling of his thick head pushing into your tight forbidden hole for the first time.
"Good girl," Thomas murmured, giving you a gentle kiss on your forehead before repositioning himself between your legs.
Thomas took a deep breath and gripped the base of his throbbing cock, guiding it towards your slick folds.
"Here it comes, Love," Thomas groaned as he pressed the swollen head of his cock to your entrance, rubbing it gently against your wetness.
You gasped, feeling a strange mixture of trepidation and excitement as you stared down at his imposing shaft.
"Take a deep breath in and exhale slowly. Relax your muscles," Thomas instructed, gently rubbing your inner thigh, helping you to relax.
You closed your eyes, took a deep breath in, and then exhaled slowly as you tried to do what he had asked. You felt the head of his cock pushing against your entrance and then a sudden feeling of fullness as the swollen tip began to slip inside of you.
"Oh fuck, sweetheart," Thomas grunted, his eyes closing as he savored the feeling of your body engulfing the tip of his cock.
"This looks and feels so fucking nice, Love. Does it feel nice to you as well?" Thomas asked, his voice low and husky as he took another deep breath, trying to hold back the desire to plunge himself in deeper.
You nodded slowly, your eyes squeezed shut as you felt your muscles stretching around his girth. It was a strange sensation, unlike anything you had ever experienced before. It felt both uncomfortable and exciting at the same time.
"Yes," you whispered, biting your lip. "It feels... different."
Thomas chuckled softly, gently nudging himself forward an inch further before reaching your hymen.  He did not go any further than that though and simply began stroking himself.
You watched the way his hand moved, almost mesmerized. It was big and thick and hard, and a part of you couldn't help but wonder if you could take something that big inside of you.
Thomas saw where your gaze had settled and smirked at you. "You want it, don't you? My big cock deep inside of you, all the fucking way?"
You blushed, yet you couldn't deny the aching want that he stirred within you. You nodded slowly, unable to meet his gaze.
"Uncle Tommy, I..." you started to say, your voice hesitant and shy. But you couldn't find the words to express how you felt. How could you explain this strange mix of emotions? The fear and excitement, the curiosity and uncertainty?
Thomas must have sensed your discomfort because he leaned down and gently brushed his lips against yours. It was a chaste kiss, but it sent a jolt of electricity down your spine. He pulled back slightly and looked into your eyes.
"Don't worry, Love. Not tonight. I will get you used to it slowly, eh?" Thomas murmured, his voice soothing as he gently pulled his cock back out of you. "For now, let's focus on making you feel good." Thomas rose to his feet and leaned back against the ornate headboard of his bed. "Come here, Love," he ordered. "Straddle me."
You did as you were told, climbing up onto the bed and settling yourself over his lap. Your pussy was still swollen and sensitive from your earlier orgasm, and you could feel the heat radiating off of him in waves.
Thomas guided your hips down so that you could feel the head of his cock resting against your wet folds.
"Ride me, Love," Thomas growled, his hands gripping your hips tightly as he ground himself against you.
You moaned softly as you began to move your hips, grinding yourself against him as your wetness coated the head of his shaft. Each movement sent a jolt of pleasure through your body, and you could feel yourself growing more and more aroused with each passing second.
Thomas's hands roamed up and down your body, cupping your breasts and pinching your nipples through the silky fabric of your bra. You threw your head back, moaning loudly as you felt his lips brush against your collarbone.
He never fully penetrated you , but the contact was enough to make you feel like you were on the brink of an orgasm. Your hips moved instinctively, rubbing against his shaft as you felt the pressure building up within you.
He took advantage of your response and started moving your hips back and forth, stroking himself as your slick folds caressed his cock.
"Such a good girl," Thomas groaned, his hands gripping your hips tightly. " so fucking hot."
You blushed at the compliment, your heart racing as you rode him harder and faster.
You could feel the pressure building up within you, the pleasure threatening to consume you whole. Thomas's moans grew louder and more insistent, his hands gripping your hips tightly as he tried to hold back.
You threw your head back and closed your eyes, lost in the haze of pleasure that was enveloping you. You felt so alive, so free. It was like nothing you had ever experienced before.
"Uncle Tommy," you screamed, unable to hold back any longer.
Your orgasm hit you like a freight train, wave after wave of pleasure crashing over you as you ground yourself against his cock. Your pussy clenched around nothingness, your muscles spasming with each passing moment. It was overwhelming, and all you could do was hold onto him for dear life, letting the pleasure wash over you as he continued to stroke himself.
Thomas grunted, his hips bucking up against yours as he chased his own release. His hands gripped your hips so tightly that it would probably leave bruises, but you didn't care.
"Fuck," he eventually groaned , his cock twitching and pulsing in his hand as he spilled his hot load all over your labia and into your opening.
You felt him throb against you as he came, each pulse sending another hot jet shooting out of the tip.
Thomas relaxed against the pillows, panting heavily and still clutching onto your hips. You remained straddling him for a moment, feeling his seed begin to seep out of you and down your inner thighs. Neither of you spoke for a few moments as you both caught your breath.
Thomas's gaze trailed down your body, settling on the mess that he had made between your legs. You could feel his hot load beginning to trickle down your thighs, and your cheeks burned with embarrassment.
You did not know this would happen when a man has an orgasm and you looked at him with wide, innocent eyes.
Thomas chuckled and pulled you close, kissing your forehead. "Don't worry about the mess, Love," he murmured. "That's what happens when a man really enjoys himself. It's perfectly natural."
You nodded, still feeling self-conscious as you slipped off of his lap and onto the bed beside him.
Thomas turned onto his side to face you, propping himself up on his elbow as he looked at you with a soft smile. He reached out and brushed a stray lock of hair out of your eyes, tucking it gently behind your ear.
"You're so beautiful, Love," he murmured, his voice low and husky with desire.
You blushed at the compliment, biting your lip nervously as you looked up at him through your lashes.
"I'm glad you think so, Uncle Tommy," you whispered shyly.
"I know so," Thomas replied, tracing the curve of your jaw with his finger. "And I intend to explore every inch of your beautiful body until you're begging me to stop."
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giac222 · 2 months
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We got spoiled (again) with the recent progress report! We now have an episode 3 preview video. Thank you Nemlei and Kit9! 🙏🏻
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Teenage Andrew and Julia!! They’re so cute. I assumed we’d see them in their teen years, plus I was wondering how Julia and Andrew started dating in the first place.
This could mean something or nothing at all, but Julia’s wearing a choker… guess who else wears one? 👀
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Uh oh. Well, we already knew Ashley didn’t like her… at all 💀.
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Something to keep in mind: When Ashley was little she hung around Nina and Julia (bottom left picture), but my guess is the only reason they hung out with her is because they wanted to get closer to Andrew. In a previous progress report there’s a screenshot of Andrew asking them if they could invite Ashley to sit with them at lunch sometime.
When you look at the bottom left picture, they’re happy and smiling while Ashley doesn’t look too thrilled. There’s flowers around them, but when it comes to Ashley one bounces off of her head. They hung around her, but clearly left her out. Thinking about the flashback scene of Ashley’s birthday, she brings up how her friends are always busy when she asks them for anything, even when she hasn’t said a date. So yeah, Ashley wasn’t treated very good by them.
Looking at the top left picture of Ashley and Julia labeled as “friends”, we can see there that Ashley doesn’t like her lmao. In the episode 3 preview video, it was pretty obvious Julia was crushing on Andrew, hard. So, even after Nina died, Julia probably still attempted to be “friends” with Ashley to get to Andrew. I could be wrong, but Ashley probably saw through her bullshit and knew what was up. Ooo I just know she was NOT happy. Especially because she already went through something like this with Nina crushing on Andrew.
Yeah, I’m not surprised that she tweaked out when Julia and Andrew started dating.
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Oh man. I think it’s safe to assume that the rumors in question are about them having an incesteous relationship. After Julia asks this, Andrew thinks to himself “(why in the ever loving fuck would she ask me this?)”. I asked myself the same thing lmao.
He says he heard about it, then Julia gets all flustered and nervous. I don’t think she asked it out of malicious intent. She also reassures him by saying that she thinks everyone knows that the rumors aren’t true, and that she wanted to let him know that in case he needed to hear it. (Technically they aren’t rumors, but that’s not the point 😂).
Now, let’s get into the most sinister part of the preview 🫣.
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Holy shit 🧍🏻‍♀️. It’s time for the people who say Ashley is solely the problem to face the truth 🫣. I mean the look he’s giving her…. omg. He asked Julia out because he knew she liked him and could use that to his benefit. It’s a way to stop the rumors, so why not? Poor Julia :/.
I mean the flashback of them in his dream from ch. 2 was enough to prove to me that he never really cared about her, but now it’s right in front of our faces.
Andrew you manipulative mf 💀. I’ve always held the opinion that he’s just as bad, if not worse than Ashley is. We’re absolutely going to see this proven in ch. 3. His mask is going to fully come off.
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jamespotterismydaddy · 8 months
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For The Taking
aemond x sister!reader smut
A/N: this is based off a request here for obsessive!aemond so i hope you love it!
TW: smut, DUBCON, incest, knife kink, blood kink, breeding kink, size kink, murder, rough smut
word count: 1,789 words
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Aemond chaperones all of your meetings with possible suitors. It’s just what a good big brother does, right? He watches closely to make sure they don’t get too close, don’t say anything too suggestive, or do anything that could ever bother you.
He walks, ten steps behind, as you promenade around the gardens with Lord Tully. He hates him already. In theory, Lord Tully checks all the boxes. He’s handsome, considerate and only eight years your senior but something about him makes Aemond see red. Some boring lord from Riverrun could never be good enough for you, his perfect baby sister and the worst part is, you seem to like him.
“Of course, Ser.” You giggle at the lord’s words. Fuck. Aemond missed what he said.
“I shall have to part ways with you for now, princess. I have felt a sudden need to speak to the King.” You beam up at him. Speaking to the King could very well mean a marriage proposal.
You nod in response and giggle again when Lord Tully kisses your hand before leaving.
“I don’t like him.” Aemond says sternly. Your face falls.
“What? Why not?” You say as you look up to your brother with puppy dog eyes. His opinion means everything to you.
“There is simply something about him I do not trust. You can do much better.”
“I don’t understand. I thought he was-”
“Do you not believe me?” Aemond asks you, putting a hint of sorrow in his eyes.
“No! Of course that’s not it. I’m just disappointed. It seems there has been something off about every suitor. Soon there’ll be none left.” You pout a little as you look down.
“You will find a perfect match.” He tilts your head up so you have to look him in the eye. “I will only have the best for you.” 
“I know.” You say softly before pressing a light kiss to his cheek and murmuring something about attending to your needlepoint with Helaena. You make your way from the gardens.
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The next day, the royal family has a breakfast. A family breakfast. You don’t think that you’ve shared a meal with your father in weeks so there must be some sort of news.
“My love.” Your mother starts. “We have something wonderful to tell you…” She looks to the King who seems to be irritated that he has to speak on the manner.
“Lord Tully has asked for your hand and we have granted it.” Your father finishes.
“He has?” You look at Aemond nervously.
“Yes, isn’t it wonderful?” Your mother beams at you, happy with the match.
“But mother, I was sure we discussed my thoughts on him.” Aemond starts and you watch the look on Alicent’s face change. She knows. A mother always knows.
“Ser Brynden is a good man and a knight. You’ve also shot down all of her other suitors, Aemond.” The Queen looks at him sternly. Aemond is fuming but says nothing. “We will start the wedding preparations soon.” She says to you with a soft smile.
The rest of the meal is tense but your mother tries to push through, chattering about wedding dresses and cake. Though, when everyone is finished eating, Aemond leaves quickly, a disturbing look in his eye.
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In the middle of the night, you are awoken by the sound of your bedroom door opening. You call out your guards name and receive no response. You start to get nervous. You grab a candelabra from your bedside table as you get out of bed.
“Who’s there?” You call out.
Aemond comes into view.
You sigh in relief. “Aem, you frightened me.” You put down the candelabra.
“Were you intending to fight off an intruder with that?” He chuckles. And then… he walks into the moonlight. There’s blood on his collar.
“Oh Aemond, are you hurt?” You rush over to him, a concerned look in your eyes as you inspect him. You go on your tippy toes when you hold his face in your hands so you might be able to see better.
“What a caring little girl you are.” He coos at you but the look of worry strewn across your face doesn’t fade. “It’s not my blood.” He says darkly but you still don’t get it.
“Who’s blood is it?” You ask tenderly, just glad he isn’t hurt.
“Tully’s.” He says and this is when you realize.
“Is he… alright?” The concern is gone from your voice. You’re frightened again.
“Most people aren’t alright after being run through with a sword and fed to a dragon.” He says and chuckles again. Your mouth goes dry.
“You… you…” Your eyes well up with tears. You’re utterly shocked.
“Killed him? I did.” He says and then notices the look on your face, how you have started to inch away. He reaches his hand behind your head, running his fingers through it before gripping it tightly at the roots.
“Ah… Aemond, that hurts.” You whimper and he loosens his grip slightly so he’s just holding you in place.
“I’m sorry, darling. You know I never want to hurt you but the way you’re looking at me right now… it hurts me.” He says calmly.
“You truly did it?” You ask and the tears start to fall.
“I did it for you. For us.” He explains.
“Us?” You’re confused again.
“Yes. Can’t you see? None of these men are enough for you. You’re mine.” He says firmly as he pulls you closer and looks you right in the eyes.
“But mother says it’s… unnatural. Aegon and Helaena are an exception to support Aegon’s claim.”
“We are Targaryens. Wedding you is my gods given right.” He says as he wipes the tears from your face. “I’ll make sure of it. Mother will have no choice but to accept when your belly swells with my babe.”
“W-What?” You try to say more but his lips are pressed to yours before you can get the words out. He kisses you roughly and forces his tongue into your mouth. So much for a gentle first kiss. His arms snake around your waist and pull you against him. When he parts his mouth from yours, your lips are swollen and you stand still in shock.
“Take your nightgown off.” He commands, his eye staring firmly at your nipples that poke through the fabric.
“No, Aemond. We aren’t wed. You’ll ruin me.” You beg him.
“Shhh. I’m your big brother, rūs.” (baby) “You need to trust me.” His fingers go to the straps of the nightgown and slip them down your shoulders so that the garment falls to the floor. You let him, ever the obedient sister. His fingers move to your smallclothes, letting them drop off you next. His gaze washes over you. “You must be the prettiest girl in all of Westeros.” He praises and you don’t know if you blush more at the words or your nakedness. “Lay back on the bed, rūs.” You pout a little and don’t obey him. You’re frozen in place. “Now.” The command brings you back to reality and you listen this time and lay back, your legs clenched together. “Open up those legs.” He says.
“I’m frightened.” You whisper out and he chuckles.
“I’ll be gentle, rūs… at first.” He says as he pries your legs open. He looks at you so hungrily as you lie there, waiting for him. You’re so much smaller than him, so delicate. He undresses for you, he likes how your eyes follow his movements. “You like watching me?” He asks before dropping his breeches.
“I-um…” The size of him makes you nervous. “That part goes in?” You ask him.
“Yes.” He says before beginning to play with your pearl, You whimper softly.
“It won’t fit.” You say.
“It will. I’ll make it.” He slips a finger inside of you. “Tell me rūs, have you ever touched yourself here?” You feel the heat rise to your cheeks again.
“N-No, my septa says it’s dirty.” He smiles at your answer.
“Good. This place is only for me to touch.” He positions himself between your legs and pumps his cock a few times. “This’ll hurt.” He sheaths himself inside of you slowly but still too fast for your liking.
“No… out.” You whine and squirm but he holds your hips in place, forcing you to adjust to his size.
“Stop squeezing me like that. I won’t be able to control myself.” He says with a grunt.
“I’m not.” You say truthfully with a whine. You’re really just that tight.
“Is it still hurting?” He asks.
“Only a bit.” You say, tears in your eyes but that’s enough for him.
He begins thrusting in and out of you savagely, hitting so deep inside of you that you feel as if you’re about to burst.
“Gods, your cunt is perfect.” He says as he fucks into so that you’re whimpering beneath him. He’s so big compared to you that he can see the outline of his cock on your tummy. He smirks at the sight and presses down on it to make you squirm. “I’m going to make this belly swell with a baby just like how I’m making it swell with my cock.” He says and leans down more to kiss and bite at your neck. “You’re fucking mine. Do you understand? You’re my wife.” He punctuates his words with his thrusts. The rough behaviour leaves you light-headed.
Aemond reaches over to the bedside table where he placed his dagger and he grabs it. Your eyes widen.
“Aemond?”
“I’ll make you my wife the moment I spill my seed into you, spilling drops of our blood together.” He says as he brandishes the dagger.
You don’t even know what to say, too tired for a response as he grabs your chin and runs the blade of the dagger across your lips until you bleed. You wince. He cuts his own lip right after. His blood drips onto your skin but he doesn’t kiss you yet. He begins to rub your pearl, trying to coax a peak out of you. When he feels you begin to clench around him, he knows it’s time.
“Aem, something is happ-” He cuts you off with a kiss, mixing your blood with his. He fervently makes you his wife in the ways of Old Valyria. You gasp as your peak washes over you, never having felt such a thing before and that gives him the chance to slip his tongue into your mouth, kissing you deeply as he spends inside of you. When he parts the kiss, he gazes into your eyes.
“You’re mine now. By my will and the will of the gods.”
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lila-pitts-apologist · 10 months
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Not to rise from the dead and post on here after months, but I wanted to touch on an aspect of the show that I feel is misunderstood by the fandom, especially in season 3.
I hate to bring it up at all, but I’m talking about Luther and Allison’s relationship(?). I know it’s a part of the series that most of us ignore or joke about, but in actuality it sheds light on how the siblings were raised, especially Allison, in a sadly realistic way.
While I obviously see Allison and Luther’s relationship as troublesome and unhealthy/weird, I don’t think I have the same ‘gawk in disgust’ reaction other people in the fandom seem to have when the complexity of the relationship is brought up.
This isn’t because I think incest (what I would label the relationship, even if it was more emotional than physical!) is acceptable, but because I think it makes total sense within the show, especially within the character dynamics of Allison and Luther.
Even though it’s a hard thing to bring up, sibling incest is more common than we think. It’s not always full-out or malicious, but it does occur way more often than most of us would assume. Specifically, it’s more likely to occur amongst siblings that are not properly socialized as youths, or ones who are full on isolated.
When we think of isolation we think of olden time families living on a farm cut off from any other societies, and I feel like that makes people underestimate how much the Hargreeves siblings were isolated from their peers and just other people.
I mean, we’ve seen Reginald’s parenting! The kids make their superhero debut at age 11, and by the way it’s described who knows if the kids ever even properly went outside before then. Growing up the Hargreeves had only the seven of them (6 if we account for Viktor’s separation).
All of the personal growth, all of the curiosity about the outside world, all of the teenage melancholia and growing pains, all of it has to occur within the bounds of the seven siblings because there’s literally no one else.
So of course this is going to make for oddly bonded children! Of course they’re going to blur the lines of what siblings should act like, because they know no objective standards! We see this in their competitiveness stemming from being pitted against each other, we see it in their ‘ride or die’ mindset even when they don’t like each other, and we see it in Allison and Luther.
I see the fandom spin it into Allison and Luther being freaks, especially as the other siblings find it odd as well. While I agree it’s weird, I think it’s unfair to paint it simply as ‘grown adults have a thing for their own sibling’ because we’re then ignoring their unique upbringing.
I mean, i find it hard to even treat the siblings as adults on an emotional level, because they were never truly allowed the development needed to grow into stable, mature adults.
You have one sibling who is reared to crave attention and validation, who didn’t see much kindness or empathy due to his envy-inducing status as Number 1. And you have another sibling who is purposely left devoid of proper morals, who is used to getting everything she wants and being wanted by everyone in the way she wants them to, by charm or by force.
Is it really hard to see what those siblings would find in each other, the validation that they surely would’ve found in non-relatives had they been allowed to grow up normally?
One of my favorite parts of TUA is that it’s not afraid to give us a fucked up family, exploring how such an unorthodox childhood allows for ugliness to rear its head in the craziest places. To me, the too-intimate bond of Allison and Luther isn’t something to just be written off as an awkward writing choice, it’s another very real and sad example of how the Hargreeves’ morals and minds were doomed from the start.
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thestoryden · 2 years
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Savior, Part 4
Aemond Targaryen x Targaryen!Reader
Warnings: Incest, Sadness, References to Bullying, References to S.A.
Word Count: 1k
A/N: I have been trying to work around work to get this out. This is part four in the Savior series and it does need the context of the previous interactions to be fully understood. If you would like to be added to my HOTD taglist please follow the link below. If you would liked to tagged in the next part of this series only please comment below. Thank you for reading.
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You recline on a couch in Aemond’s apartments as you sigh heavily. You push back your braids and run your fingers through your loose hair trying to relieve some stress. Aemond is at the door whispering with a servant trying to not disturb you.
After everything you had been through you could not believe that your mother would not hear you out. You want to think that she is sincere in her wishes to not sustain your house’s tradition, but you know that she just wants to fulfill Aegon’s wishes before she even follows her own personal desires.
It did not always use to be like this you think. You remember a time when she treated you like children instead of pawns but it was so long ago and is now faint in your memories. Even though it had been years since Aemond had been injured she was worried that everything was a threat to her family, her power. You sit wishing for peace, for love, and just maybe to have your family back to how it was.
Aemond taps the end of your shoe lightly, “Thinking of something?”
You smile, “Nothing achievable.”
“I know everything seems out of reach right now, but I had something brought up that might cheer you up.” He says softly.
Everything did feel out of reach. It is true, but you did not know what could possibly make you feel better. Aemond holds up a pair of your fur lined slippers. He had gifted this particular set to you two winters back when it had been particularly cold in the castle and Aegon had some servants steal all your shoes so that you would have to walk on the freezing stone. Ever since they had been your favorite shoes to wear and sometimes you would even sneak them to events when it became chilly.
“You remembered?” You say tenderly.
Aemond laughs a bit, “Of course I remember, I was the one who had them made.”
He hands them to you. You sit up to slip them on. There is a pause. The queen’s decision still hangs in the air. Aemond is tense.
“So, what do we do now?” You ask.
“It might be easier to commit treason then worm our way out of mother’s scheming.” He retorts.
“Scheming?” You question, “I mean she may be proactive, but I highly doubt she is already weaving up something. We left her only a short while ago.”
He smiles and holds up a coin. It glints in the light.
“Servants will often bend easy for gold.” He says coolly, “She has already arranged for a private dinner this evening with Larys Strong.”
A frustrated cry escapes you. You seem to have the world at your finger tips and yet you may as well be a caged animal, never to escape from your stone prison. There is a light knock on the door and a serving girl peeks her head in.
“I’ve brought the hot tea you requested, your grace.” She squeaks out.
Aemond waves for her to come in. She moves in a hurried manner and sets the tray on the table in front of you two.
“Would you like me to serve it?” She asks.
“No, this is fine,” You reply.
She walks out of the room with short quick strides. You note her nervousness, but chalk it up to a bad experience she most likely had with Aegon. She is a fleeting kindred spirit.
“I have a plan.” Aemond states, “We marry in secret.”
You take the tea and poor it in to your cup. Lifting it to your lips and letting the steam waft the deep scent up your nose. You feel your senses stir as you drink.
“That is not a plan, merely a goal.” You quip, “How do you propose we should achieve it.”
“If mother won’t take us seriously, someone else must take our side.” He says, “We we’ll send a raven to Rhaenyra and Daemon about our intentions, and join their side if need be.”
Shock reaches across your face. You had never thought of betrayal as a way out. You were so focused on keeping yourself together for the sake of your family that you had not considered making an enemy out of them. You feel a spark of energy and excitement move through your body.
“Let us send two ravens, I will send one to Rhaenyra and you to Daemon, surely if we both ask they will heed our pleas.” You say.  
You know it is a long shot, even your own mother would not listen, but if there was even a chance that Rhaenyra will hear your pleas you had to take it. Previous slights made by Aemond against her children will make the situation harder, but you hope that she hates the Queen more than she does Aemond.
He looks at you then too his desk and fetches a piece of paper, pens, and ink. Without saying a word, he rips the paper into two long pieces, handing one to you. You both dip your quills in ink and begin writing out your messages. You fit as much pleasantry as you can with in the edges of the scroll, while begging for their help.
Your head hangs practically in your lap and your eyes stare into the dark reflection across the pool of tea. Aemond rests his hand on your shoulder. He draws a breath in.
“There is something I must ask.” He says solemnly.
“What is it?” You question.
“Well, I suppose I have not formally asked for your hand in marriage.” He replies.
 “I suppose you have not.” You quip.
Aemond uses his hands to gently turn you, so that you are facing him head on.
“Will you take me as your protector from this day till our last?” He asks.
“I vow that I will.” You reply.
You both want to revel in the excitement of the moment, but your circumstances cast a grave shadow over your shared happiness. Instead, you interlace your fingers with his and sit there. You lean in to each other resting your foreheads against one another. You say nothing to each other and just listen to each other’s soft breaths.
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nin-deer · 2 months
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Ch 143
i mean i think we all knew deep down the kiss was gonna happen based on the flow of the story but i think this chap reveals a lot about gorou and sarina
(uh warning this got a little out of hand so its pretty long lmao)
so.
i dont think anyone's completely in the wrong, but i definitely don't think they're in the right either. (not that i condone incest; its just that their motivations led them to this specific point. would the story have been fine without it? hell yeah. please i actually prefer it that way. but this is the direction the author decided to take it, so we have to take it as it is as a point of learning more about the character's motivations)
Let's first analyze sarina and gorou's relationship pre-reincarnation. I think I covered this in my last post where I rambled about onk, but gorou is doing a doctor thing where he "accepts" sarina's proposal just to make her happy. We learn in this new chapter that he basically catered to her every request, and that's what started that infatuation. we know from previous chapters that her bio family's shitty, so the only place she would get this love is from gorou. we also learn in this chapter that it's not actually a romantic love but a fanatic love, for lack of better terms. she sees him as her idol. does sarina even know what it feels to be romantically in love with someone? she spent her whole first life in a hospital, isolated from others her age. she spent her second life very curated and protected because of her mom and her future career; she couldn't really live a normal life. (we'll get back to this point later) all she knows about love is through her idols, so she's channeling it into (what she thinks is) romantic love for gorou.
gorou, on the other side of this, is an actual adult who had an actual life before all this, so he knows what a normal life is like. assuming sarina is one of his first patients, its obvious to see that he got attached, which is a very risky situation for scenarios like this. we see this attachment made her death worse, as he threw himself into following Ai to cope for her death. not gonna go too in depth about this here because, again, i made another post for this that i'll probably link at the end bc im referencing it more than i thought... continuing! he knows sarina doesnt have long left so he wants to do what he can for her, thus creating that "idol" persona sarina has for him.
we see in his regret in this new chap that he actually knows what he's doing and is aware of the consequences of his actions. ruby doesn't. she doesn't regret anything. as someone who reads a lot of isekai/reincarnation stories, its easy to joke that ruby and aqua are their old age + their new age, but that isn't necessarily true for ruby. sure, aqua is old and this could apply to him. but ruby? she didn't make it past 18 before she died. she's like,,, 13 times 2. double 13. she never fully developed in her first life, and she's developing in this current life. it's like a continue from where she left off. aqua actually was an adult, so he has all the knowledge and wisdom of an adult. why does this matter? shift your attention back to the concept of love for a bit. aqua knows what she's doing is bad and is trying to stop her, but the knowledge that she's sarina is making him automatically succumb to her wishes. a part of his brain, because of the trauma, still sees ruby as the sickly sarina he was caring for.
ruby is naïve. she doesnt know what love is. all the love she's ever been exposed to is whatever she saw online: idols. i dont even think she fully knows what the concept of family is. aqua is her brother? nope. aqua is the doctor she proposed to and now she has a chance to follow through like all the shows she's seen. she's closer than ever to him, so why give up the chance? even as ruby, she wasn't exposed to a lot of normalcy because of idol culture. she isn't able to learn about the difference between platonic love and fanatic love. we even see this with ai, who she sees more as an idol than her mom. the joy is in her idol being her mom, someone who's supposed to care for her. it's like shes living a fantasy made just for her. because aqua was so obsessed w revenge, he didn't have the chance to teach her anything, and it's not like he needed to learn bc he already knows. ruby doesn't.
aqua, as the one who understands these nuances, should have sat her down and explained things, but he didn't because of the trauma of sarina. ruby is ignorant and is treating things like a tv drama, now that her dreams as sarina can finally become true. aqua doesn't realize how serious ruby is about this because in his mind this is just a child playing house. ruby is like,,,, imagine you die and you wake up actually being sold to one direction. or whatever happens to you in your fav self-insert scenario/fanfic. idk a better analogy lmao but its like finally being able to play out your fantasies irl. she doesn't realize the real world impacts of her actions because, frankly, she doesn't care. she gets to live out her life as she wants. aqua was shocked after the first kiss with ruby because he realized then she was being serious, but he didn't speak out about it because, again, the trauma™. (we see him again uncomfy with the whole situation in the next page, but his lack of objection could be bc it's a scene in the documentary and he finds it more important to get revenge rn) ruby kissed him then because she purposefully created the mood like that so it would fit in the story she was writing in her mind.
so what does this mean? because of their shared pasts, aqua and ruby are put in this situation where ruby can do what she wants and aqua goes along with it. even if he knows its morally wrong, he can't bring himself to break ruby's immersion in all of this. BUT. big but. aqua shouldn't act like this. they're both capable of living out their lives as normal (barring the revenge and the whole idol stuff). he doesn't need to act like this anymore; ruby's not terminally ill. he's not a doctor. what he should have done was firmly deny her stuff he knows is wrong because then he can educate her about the reason why. as much as their personalities are inspired by their past lives, sarina and gorou are dead. they need to move on and live a aqua and ruby. (Harsh, I know, but because of this scenes like *gestures vaguely to the newest two chapters* happens. if aqua stood his ground and taught ruby about familial love and that what she's feeling is probably not romantic, i think this could have been avoided. but alas, we need it for the ~drama~)
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sorry that went on way longer than i thought lmao. i think i covered everything i wanted to say but im too lazy to read back so fingers crossed
if you made it this far and are curious about the other post i mentioned in the beginning, its here. i just think its some context to my thought process but not necessary to understand this post
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genericpuff · 7 months
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Soo to understand some things because i get what's happening in LO only from Tumblr;
Apparently now there are two Titan villains Ouranos and Kronos for... reasons unknown
There's a prophecy of Apollo overcoming Zeus that makes no sense
Persephone is the one responsible for winter so Rachel proves she doesn't understand the meaning of the original myth of Hades and Persephone that's a metaphor for changing seasons / life and death
Kassandra is the one to tell it even though she was cursed by Apollo her prophecies to never be believed and also she's part of the plot even though Achilles in LO is very young and she's part of the Trojan war so... Rachel messed up the time periods
Eros and Psyche believe her as well which again doesn't make any sense because Kassandra's gift was also her curse that led to her downfall
I am sure there are more but Rachel just keeps adding plots and plots to no end trying to make things more interesting apparently? Idk so far the series is an overwhelming burn out 😅
Kronos was used as the midseason finale villain for people who are on free to read episodes, Ouranos was used as the actual midseason finale villain for people who are on FastPass, with Apollo as just like, an accessory. IDK if this is foreshadowing for Ouranos to actually 'return' (literally I have no idea how Apollo overthrowing Zeus will lead to Ouranos being revived but god knows at this point) but there are definitely WAY too many villains going on for a story that's meant to be just a romance/drama series
The prophecy for Apollo overthrowing Zeus is literally just the prophecy of "descendants of Ouranos use fertility goddesses to overthrow their predecessors" (so Ouranos used Gaia to gain power over the realms < Kronos overthrew Ouranos using Rhea < Zeus overthrew Kronos using Metis, even though most of the credit technically goes to Hera for handing herself over to Kronos in an attempt to poison him under the guise of them having a "relationship"). And yeah the implication is that the fertility goddesses in LO are limited to ONE family line that's been passed down since Gaia/Ouranos like the freaking Avatar, which KINDA REINTRODUCES THE INCEST BTW-
100% , I feel like it was her attempt at giving Persephone a "flaw" but this doesn't work because we've seen Rachel retcon aspects of Persephone to make her perfect before (the green hands) and it's not cool that Rachel can only give her a "flaw" by taking away the legitimate strength of the one other character who's CRUCIAL to the original story this series is based on.
More of Rachel trying to give lip service to the myths to sound smart even though it literally makes everything fall apart
Right, and this is such a massive plothole that happens TWICE within their respective episodes
This one time Rachel described her writing process as that scene from the Simpsons where Homer Simpson tried to force two jigsaw pieces together, and frankly, I think we should have taken that blatant foreshadowing more seriously because it's clear she's just trying to make circles fit in square holes with the mess that is this narrative.
And yeah, presumably the series is gonna end by mid 2024 so the estimates right now pin the series ending in 15-20 episodes, 30 tops. I have no clue how she's going to wrap all this up when she's still establishing new things. Even experienced professional writers wouldn't bother with trying to save this wreckage as it is, it would literally be sent back to the drawing board, but it's being left up to Rachel who's NOT an experienced writer to figure out how to end it on the fly. We're not in for a good time with this LMAO
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Hi, you can keep this unanswered and not post it, but I want to help you understand the thought behind some of the points in your criticism post. Before I start I want to apologise if I come off as blunt and rude, that's not my intention and I'll try my best to show my tone as unthreatening but I'm autistic and not a native English speaker, which complicates things lol
*general you used throughout the ask
First, I want to start with this: they all are part of the army. You don't need to dig much to see you'll rarely see a "morally upstanding" person in the army, be it because they're cheaters, abusers, compliant with all that or they're (insert -ist/-phobe category here). UK military spouses are 3 times more likely to experience intimate partner violence (IPV). I'm not saying the COD characters need to be written like that, but it wouldn't be "unrealistic" if we take real life statistics into account.
Second, and maybe the most important thing, everyone writes COD characters OOC. The majority of the active fandom on Tumblr and tiktok have seen gifs and 10min out of context clips from the game at best. It's to be expected to not frequently find something actually in character for a lot of the guys. Especially with characters that are just operators like König, Nikto and Krueger. In their case everything is and isn't OOC at the same time because we just... Don't know these characters. We lack characterisation past maybe 1-3 traits about them. I'd argue that's why the fandom liked König so much, other than being masked, he's the perfect paper doll! You can dress him up in whatever characterisation you want and it probably won't contradict his canon (because he barely has one and what he has is quickly misinterpreted (anxiety disorder turning into shyness for example)).
Now specifically on your "How are you going to hc a victim as the abuser?" - simple, whether you like to accept it or not is up to you, but it's not far fetched for victims to become abusers later in life. Just look at serial killers statistics - 74% of US serial killers were psychologically abused and 42% were physically abused as children and later in life followed a similar pattern brought to an extreme. Or on the other hand, a tamer example would be generational trauma because that's how we get that (grandparent was abused and because that's all they know, they implement it in bringing up their child who, for the same reason, implements it in bringing up the grandchild and so on).
The final thing I want to say is, it's good to block people who you don't vibe with. Doesn't matter if it's because they wrote something that personally disturbed you or you simply don't like their blog theme or you see them too often in the tag. Personally curating your experience is key in fandom, utilise the tools Tumblr has given us. Of course as you and others have mentioned that's impossible without some assistance from the other side. Tagging is extremely important (tagging with the correct words without censoring!!! Or the filter won't catch! Rape, noncon, incest ✅; r@pe, n*nc*n, 1nc*st ✖️✖️).
I hope this isn't too messy or long aaaa
I really appreciate you taking the time to type this up and actually speak to me about this, your input is very appreciated. /gen
I do think I could've done better on that post since I wrote it in the heat of the moment, all characters are written OOC and it was ignorant of me to say
"Maybe read the characters backstories and actually take their past into consideration because you guys kinda look dumb for making these characters so OOC."
I hope ya'll can really take the time to see my POV, I did not mean. any harm, I've come across some gross things, but blocking and filtering tags so much as begun to be tiring.
My main issue is tagging, without tagging I am left with getting triggered by random posts because the first few sentences may include something on my trigger list.
That's all I want and also what a lot of other people want.
Writing is meant for anyone and everyone, a form of art and perhaps a for of therapy.
Please tag your work, you are not the only person on the internet.
Thank you for reading!
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amphiptere-art · 3 months
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So we can all agree that the Sun and Moon fandom is dying right?
There is a quiz at the end of the post.
Me myself and many others have left. Whether it is due to the rising toxicity of the show or the fans. At this point it is simply a creative backdrop. Something you take ideas off of instead of something that you enjoy and turn into a AU. And at this point if you have it as an AU. You feel as if you need to somehow say it's separated or is only based off of the good old days.
The fact that there is a difference between the good old days and what has happened is sad. I will admit I haven't been here forever. I wasn't here since the beginning. I wasn't watching the episodes upload as I watched. But I did do my best to watch every single lore post I can find. Anything that wasn't a standard gaming episode. So I can at least say that I tried to follow the story.
And to put it slightly the story has gone sour. Characters have stopped feeling right in their actions. Underlying messages have started to get toxic. Many bad guys have gotten so characterized that them being bad guys doesn't feel right. Are good characters no matter how developed they get either regress due to plot convenience. Or have died and basically reset the storyline.
The story seems stuck. There's some gems here and there but it seems like they can't figure out the next story action. And even if they do, it gets so much hate from the fandom that it struggles to continue. It feels like they continuously reset and reset to try and find a story that the fans will enjoy. It's not working unfortunately. There have been many retcons due to this. And there has also been many splits.
And this is not even mentioning the toxicity of the fandom itself at this point. That's basically split itself in two and the other will hate the other. This happened most obviously with the Moon X Solar argument. Where you either enjoy it or you don't enjoy it. It has caused a multiple splits because of differences in morals. It's just created a hostile environment between fans.
And I'm not making this post a point fingers at the whole argument. I've researched it and I know why some people believe it's okay. Whether it's because they believe solar never really wanted to be a part of the family. Or the simple understanding that by most laws, incest between adopted family members is okay. I understand that people have reasons to like it. It doesn't mean that these reasons are shared though. It doesn't mean that the moral implications of that relationship don't affect some people. And neither side is willing to come to a mutual agreement.
This is also not bringing up the fact that the whole villain versus hero argument is starting to become even more split. Sun, Moon, Lunar, Earth, Solar are both currently on the good side. While Eclipse, Blood Moon, and a couple others are still obviously on the bad guy side. But Eclipse and Blood moon have started to become more and more relatable. People can no longer look at those characters and just imagine the villainy part. Especially when the heroes decide to mock the suffering that they did to the villains in the first place.
That is my personal scare between the fandom right now. I can't look at eclipse and not deny that Moon's actions were the reason of it. I can't look at moon and justify years of abuse. Whether it was old moon or new moon at this point. I can't stand and justify treating blood moon as a villain has tested its limit. I can't deny that blood moons actions are more so based on need than actual want. And the creators forcing that idea backfired enough that they barely have him as a character anymore.
There is a split between people who want to support moon and sun with all their actions. There is a split between people who think solar should be considered a part of the family or not. There is a lack of storylines that don't have half of the community hating upon it. There is a lack of feeling an actual tug of conflict in the stories due to the villains being so understandable. There is a hostility between the fan base because of all of these.
I put out a poll a long time ago. Asking people why they basically watched the show anymore. The general consensus was they were just watching the show because they needed to. Because they felt obligated to follow the plot wherever it went. I feel like the fan base that is following the show for their own enjoyment is slowly disappearing. And this is not talking about the amount of people that have straight out left due to all the reasons above.
Whether it is the show's fault for not being able to supply the engaging store anymore that people can enjoy. Or it is the fandom for it's toxic split between the morals of adoption incest, or the feeling that the villain shouldn't be getting as much hate as they do. The show was currently dying on both sides honestly. And the only reason many are continuing to watch the show, is the hope that it will get better, and the need to supply their AUs off of it.
How many of your friends have left because of these reasons? How many of them have had the conundrum of feeling like they need to stay because leaving feels like a betrayal to others or themselves.
How many of us are only holding because of nostalgia?
It feels like nowadays people either choose to blindly follow due to an overall support or question constantly if they should. It feels as if artists that give the show their thumbnails now, are the only people that do stuff happily with it. A conspiracy part of my brain wants to say that's only because not supporting it would mean they wouldn't have there art publicly endorsed. But that's only conspiracy and no fact.
The show has lost its splendor. As of now it's really only a character backdrop to some. A list of events and ideas that you could pull and twist to fit something kinder or better. It's like as if we're using the Sun and Moon like Robin Hood. Stripping it down to the basics just so we can share our twist of the same tale. I have heard many times from people that AUs are more enjoyable right now than actual Canon. I myself have said for multiple stories that they do not follow past backup eclipses death. Which in my opinion is when the show really started to go downhill.
I'm going to ask this question again. Because I feel as if it is important for people who read this post to see it under a newer light.
I will note. If you reblog this post just to argue that it's not dying, That solar X moon isn't incest, that characters like eclipse and blood moon should be treated as the absolute villains they are, and seeking Sun and Moon are evil is dumb. I will not respond. To be honest I will not respond to many reblogs of this. I'm simply putting this information out earnestly as my opinion. I am not here to hate on the artists. I am not here to hate on your difference in opinion. I am not here to say that the show writers are dumb or money monsters. This is my opinion. And if you wish to fight it, then you are not willing to accept differencing opinion.
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You're Fucking Pathetic | The Umbrella Academy x Reader FF
A/N: I know this is not a Spellotape part 3 but I just got done watching season 3 of the umbrella academy and i am FUMING.
warnings: MAJOR TUA SPOILERS FOR SEASON 3, cursing, manipulation, incest
part 2 | part 3 (coming soon)
 You had just returned from your life in the 60’s. It's been about a week and between Kugelblitz and Allison going rogue over the loss of her husband and child, you can’t handle anymore stress. Luther has been missing for days and so has Klaus. Diego has a kid and his “girlfriend” Lila is back as well. Everything was moving so fast. Too fast. You walked up to the Sparrow academy doors and knocked. Luther has been missing for a few days and because everyone is neck deep in their own shit they haven’t even gone to look. As soon as you are about to knock again the doors open up to reveal: Luther…in a Sparrow Academy uniform?
“Luther? What the hell are you wearing?” you asked.
Before he could answer “Ben” walked up to the door. “I mean, was he ever an umbrella?” he says, putting his hand on Luther’s shoulder. 
“Is that how you feel, Luther? Huh?” you say before you hear a car pull up. You turn around to find Allison getting out of the passenger seat and walking to the trunk. “Allison?” you say but she ignores you and lifts the trunk up to reveal Harlan’s pale, dead body all curled up. Allison killed him. Your heart broke for Viktor and for Harlan. That was his son and you couldn’t imagine how he would feel when he found out. “You killed Harlan?! Allison answer me!” She doesn’t answer and instead walks in with the rest of the Sparrow Academy. You follow Luther to go find Allison and when you guys do you both start questioning her.
“Did you tell him?” Luther asks.
“Who, Viktor? Not yet.” Allison says.
“Man, He is not gonna take this well.” you say sighing heavily
“I did what had to be done.”
“I'm just saying. Should’ve been a family decision.”
“And which family is that, Brutus?” You ask, crossing your arms.
“Nice uniform by the way. You look like an unpopped zit.” Allison says blowing cigarette smoke in your face. 
“Should we find you someone to talk to?”
“I'm fine. You’re the one having the identity crisis.”
“Oh, really? is “fine” what you call what you did to me at the hotel?”
“Whoa. What happened at the hotel?” You ask looking in between the two. “Someone answer me now!” You scream. Before anyone could answer Sloane comes in telling you all that Ben has called a family meeting.
“Both families. Do you think you could get your people to work together?” She asks.
Luther laughs, “Oh, you were serious.”
“I'm in.” Allison says as she shoves past you to the door.
“Y/n?”
“Not a chance. Not until everyone gets here.” You say walking into the living room. 
Everyone arrives at the Sparrow mansion. Except for Viktor. 
“Where is Viktor, Allison? Wasn’t he supposed to be with you?” you ask her.
“I left him at the diner.” She says before taking a puff of her cigarette.
“Un-fucking-believable. You are an honest to God asshole.” you say before Ben and Fei walk in.
“Welcome. Please make yourselves at home.” Fei says as she and Ben enter the room.
“Bitch this is our home.” Allison retorts. 
“Excuse me?” Fei says.
“Nothing. She didn’t mean it.” You say trying to stop an argument. 
“Where the hell is Klaus?” Diego asks.
“I don't know and to be honest I care just enough to worry but not enough to look.” You say, sighing deeply before closing your eyes.
“With our luck, probably Kugelblitze by now.” Five says which make you laugh a little.
“You’re a dark little dude sometimes.” Diego says.
“We don’t have time for idle chit chat. Everyone, sit down.” Ben says. 
It was so annoying and awkward to be there. You hated it. This was giving you flashbacks of your feelings towards everyone when you guys were younger. Them locking Viktor away in that basement. The first world apocalypse that you sometimes hate Viktor for but Blame Luther for. You can’t stand the Sparrows either. They are cocky and arrogant. They have no family unity. No love and only empty loyalty. Ben is an asshole and seeing his face makes you miss your Ben. it makes your heart ache and you can barely look him in his eyes half the time. He thinks you like him because of that. 
Ew..
“I feel like I'm sweating. Am I sweating?” Luther whispers to you and you reassure him that he is fine before he takes a seat by Sloane.
Ben starts the meeting. “Look, I know there’s been bad blood between us. Whatever. Bygones, right?” 
You scoff, “Whatever? Yall almost killed us. So no. Not whatever.” 
“Y/n. Shut your mouth.” Allison says.
You glare at her, “I am not talking to you Allison. So shut the fuck up.” 
Diego raises his hand and Ben asks him what he wants. 
“If I kill you, will we get our Ben back? Hypothetically.” he says with a smile.
it made you and Fei laugh. Ben? Not so much lmao.
“Keep talking, and your hand won’t be the only thing bleeding.”
“Okay, if the testosterone twins are done, i’d like to get back to a plan.” you and five say at the same time. 
“Where is he?” Viktor says walking into the middle of the room. You felt so bad you couldn’t even look at him.
“Viktor…” You say, soft and low.
“What did you do to Harlan?” He says turning to Ben. 
“They didn’t do anything. I did. I killed Harlan.” Allison says. 
“What? i..i don’t understand.” Viktor says, voice shaking. “Why?”
“Because he didn’t deserve to live.” Allison said. 
“What? Because they said so? You don’t have to listen to them.” 
“20 bucks on the little one.” Ben whispers to you and Five.
“Shut up ya bone head.” You say but Five takes him up on his offer.
“They don’t get to tell us what to do.” Viktor continues. “You coulda talked to me. We could’ve figured out something else.”
“So, what, you could lie to us again and take his side?” 
 “That’s not what happened.” 
“Oh, no, that’s exactly what happened.” Allison says.
“I know Harlan killed all of our mothers.” Allison continues.
“What?” 
“Whoa.” 
“Who told you that?”
“Harlan. After you lied about it to my face.” 
“Is that true, Viktor?” Diego asked, “Harlan started all this?”
“Yeah, but he didn’t mean to hurt anyone. He--”
“How do you know?” Five asked.
“Because he knew him. He was a harmless kid who was abused by his father. He wasn’t like us until Viktor saved his life at the lake. You guys know this. That was Viktors kid at some point.” You speak up, looking between Allison and Five. 
“I screwed him up. And if you need anyone to blame I'm right here.” Viktor says, looking at Allison.
“What makes you think I don't?” 
“This wasn’t about saving the world…” Viktor starts.
“This was about you hurting Viktor?” You say looking at Allison.
“Payback for--” Viktor starts.
“For what? Go on. Say her name.” Allison says, standing up and getting all in Viktors face. You sit closer to the edge of your seat just in case you need to whoop Allison's ass. 
“Did killing Harlan bring Claire back?”
“Did protecting him bring Sissy back?”
“It was just as personal for you.”
“I didn't kill anyone!” Viktor yelled.
“But you risked everyone! Do you know what that felt like? Watching you fight harder to protect the man who helped destroy my daughter than you ever did to bring her back?” 
“I don't know how to bring Claire back. Okay? No one does. But I was there for you. I tried.” Viktor said.
“To do what?” Allison said, “Help me grieve? God, this whole family is so quick to tell me to suck up my pain and so worried about fixing yours!” 
“Allison, choose your next words carefully.” You say, feeling your anger rising. 
“Somebody had to pay because you never seem to.”
“Destroy the world, kill pogo, almost kill me,and for what? So we can all run around and clean up your mess?” Allison says, “I'm sick of it.”
“Take it easy Allison.” Five says.
“Okay, i--”
“Shut your mouth!” Allison yells, rumouring Viktors mouth closed. 
Viktor starts to struggle for breath and you start to stand but five holds your hand tightly. Tears start to swell in your eyes because only you know how Victor feels about the past. How even after all these years he still blames himself for everything and how deeply he hates himself. 
“Every time I build a new life for myself, You end the world and take it from me!” Allison yells in Viktors face. 
“All right, that’s it. Knock off the power shit, Allison.” Allison lets Viktor go and you rush to his side, patting his back and glaring at Allison. 
“We should’ve left you in the basement.” Allison whispers to Viktor but you heard her and you turned around and slapped her. Hard.
“Viktor, go find a place to lay down. I'll be behind you soon.” You tell Viktor, giving him a reassuring smile. 
“Y/n….don’t. it’s fine--”
“Go.” You tell him. It's been awhile since you have been feeling this way and it’s about time you get it off your chest. He looks at you a little longer before walking away. 
“Are you alright?” Five asks Allison.
“Is she alright? Are you seriously asking HER right now?” you scream.
“Y/n..i was just asking.” Five starts.
“You know” You chuckle, “i don’t give a shit! Okay, Allison? Claire isn’t here! She was never going to be here! You wanna know why? Because this isn’t our home!”
“Harlan didn’t help destroy Claire. She never should’ve existed anyway. You never should have had your life anyway.” You got closer to her face. 
“All your life you manipulated your way to happiness. Rumoring your sister so she forgot she was one of us, rumoring the press so you could feel better about yourself,rumoring your husband into loving you, rumoring Claire.” Next thing everyone knew she pushed you and you powered up your electricity. The sky turned dark and the ground started shaking. Everyone was screaming at you to calm down but you drowned them out. Your adrenaline was running high and Allison's face was pissing you off.
“Y/n calm down!” Luther screams at you.
“You are pathetic! You put everything on Viktor but if we hadn’t locked him up for most of his fucking life not once but TWICE, then maybe he wouldn’t have fucking exploded!” You scream tears flowing down your face.
“You have no right to blame anything on Viktor. You lost your family the moment you used your power to get everything in your worthless life.” You took a deep breath and looked at her in her eyes, “You rumored him to forget his identity every day of his life…Even when he wanted space you tried to rumor him into going home with you when he obviously didn’t want to. So what, he sliced your throat? You let your lover sibling Luther lock him in that hell hole.” You scoff and walk away.
“Honestly Allison. Grieve your husband and daughter in your own way but leave Viktor the fuck alone before I seriously fuck you up. You are embarrassing yourself.
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https://www.tumblr.com/lily-orchard/743326173992452096/furiousgoldfish-how-to-spot-a-smear-campaign
LO try not to villainise her victims challenge (impossible)
what a fun little game! can i play?
How to spot a smear campaign: Victims’s “crimes” will be enlarged, and even if they’re small missteps, they will be treated as if only the worst person on the planet would do such a thing
(like when Lizzy "made" LO to kick a bowl of soup into her lap by completely accident and that was turned into Lizzy somehow being abusive when she cried about it later? like when Courtney having common behavioral symptons for children who suffered CSA got turned into him being a "child molester"? like how he became a murderer in LO's posts for defending himself from a woman who attacked him? how about that time that LO bragged about beating Courtney 15 times in the stomach, because that is something she thinks is worth bragging about, got turned into Courtney threatening with a meatl tenderizer?)
Accusations against the victim will always be a reach, aka, they did ‘this little thing’ but it actually means they’re a racist/murderer/genocide supporter/fascist/have blood on their hands, even when the person’s actions never conformed to those crimes
(oh, like when LO called EssenceOfThought, a leftist transfemme, a terf for months because she dared to make video calling her out? like when she implied that P must be lying about her being a therapist and how it was "ominous" that she had a child, before anyone had any reason at all to suspect she was anything but a normal parent? like when she calls us hypocrites, supporter of child molesters and murderers of babies? like when she calls anyone who disagrees with her nazis? oh, do you remember too when LO spend hours arguing with an anon that was racist and transphobic only to treated them as if they were Lizzy? i do.)
All and any actions of the victims will be misenterpreted in the worst possible way, anything the person does will be taken as an offense and intentions will be read as hostile and manipulative, regardless of how clear they are
(like how Courtney not showing receipts for cat food means that he's scamming the people who donated to his kofi? something that is totally comparable to dishonestly using the 2000+ USD donated to you in order to buy a desk and then lied about when you had that event to pretend that desk was before it, of course. or do you mean like how he was talking about how, as a grown adult, he reasoned that your stories about being molested as a child are probably true got turned into "6 year old Courtney knew i was being abused and did nothing to stop it, she's to blame for everything that happened to both of us"? like how Brittany and other expressed concerned over you publishing the pictures of the health hazard your wife is still leaving in, but you turned all of that into them somehow blaming MO for it? like how you keep projecting that we're scared of you just because we abreviate your name?)
All victim’s actions will be taken out of context; ie, victim said something cruel to someone, but they take out the context of the victim being abused, threatened, tortured, forced into defense mode and finally attacking out of desperation to defend themselves and get free
(oh, just like Brittany having issue with her roomates and venting about it on her blog like any normal person would, got turned into somehow she not knowing how to deal with people! or do you mean like how you claim now that Brittany got a restriction order by her ex and almost drove her over with a car, completely ignoring that the first is a total made up lie and the second was completely taken out of context? or maybe how LO used for months one single phrase that Lizzy said with no context as her evidence that she was an abuser all along? or do you mean how Courtney totally threatened your life, but you left out the part in which your incest grooming of him had bothered him enough to react violently with the hope that maybe you could stop talking about how much you want to date your sister in front of third parties.)
The victim will commonly get provoked into giving a bad reaction, (anyone gets defensive if they’re accused of the crimes they never did, or simply triggering insults until they snap), and the reaction will become the new ‘proof’ that the victim is in fact, evil and guilty
(remember when Courtney had a violent reaction upon finding out that one of his abuser had a platform and responded by being transphobic? it doesn't matter that Courtney is out there defending the identity of LO. it doesn't matter that Courtney admits that was wrong of him and should have never done that. it doesn't matter that he has never misgendered LO once. it matters that she did it once and therefore he'll always be transphobic, and anyone who support him is transphobic, and clearly there's no other reason to dislike LO if isn't transphobia! or do you mean when you used all the mental issues and struggles of Patch against him as a reason why nobody should listen to him, especially not about the financial abuse you submitted him to?)
A lot of pressure will be put on you to react ‘correctly’ to the smear campaign; if you don’t accept to demonize this person at once, you’re getting scrutinized, shamed for your lack of morality, told that you support all these horrid things and that you are just as despicable
(oh, like how when Lizzy finally spoke up about LO cheating on her multiple times and sexually coercing her into doing things she didn't want, and only then LO pivoted into saying that Lizzy was a sexual abuser and a rapist all along! wait no, this one goes in the first. but anyway, how about everytime Courtney says anything and a minor happens to interact with that post? but it's okay when LO does it, obviously!)
You will notice a trend of people ganging together based on their demonization of the victim; they will set a standard where you’re accepted and welcome if only you also will demonize and hate this person, and if you don’t, you’re blocked, cast out, and accused of causing harm
(oh, right, exactly as LO did to KP the second she started asking questions about Courtney instead of accepting blindly whatever story LO decided to go about it)
It will feel very easy to accept to demonize this person, and going against it will feel risky, like going against the grain, doubting the word of the many and risking being demonized yourself.
(more KP examples insert here)
The smear campaign continues all the way until the victim is chased out of the community and denied a voice, even if the victim commits no further crimes, awful things will be said about them, their past ‘misdeeds’ continually brought up, until the victim is commonly believed to be worthless, and becomes completely isolated, scared of society and alone
(LO literally bringing up Courtney burning her pokemon cards when they were children as proof that Courtney was an abusive monster all along. or how Courtney fighting with her in general as children gets turned into more abuse. but when LO brags about beating the shit out of him, that's not abuse, that's just how children are!)
There will be no limit to what is considered okay to do to the victim of a smear campaign; even if the victim is accused of minor bad behaviour, it will become okay to threaten, insult, shout slurs, trigger, provoke, humiliate, manipulate, and repeat any kind of abusive behaviour to the victim, all because ‘they’re bad so they deserve it’.
(like how LO threatened to release the nudes of Lizzy to the public? like she keeps inventing new and boring insults to call us with? slurs? already done that, but you said that was censored so you, LO, have decided alone that was fine actually. LO has continously lie about things anyone can confirm)
People leading the smear campaign will switch between being ‘extremely grossed out and enraged’ to showing absolute joy and satisfaction when they find a new reason to demonize and smear the victim. People truly horrified of someone’s actions do not get a leap of joy when a new disaster happens, they’re not beside themselves to abuse the perpetrator all over again.
(oh, like when LO was so happy to keep publishing asks with archives of Courtney's old post that demostrated what a monster he was? or maybe like LO admitting that she only uses extremely serious situations about incest in order to spite people who read her blog=)
It will never, ever be acceptable to show any mercy to the victim. Forgiveness is out of the question, trying to understand them is out of the question. Even reading or listening to what this person is saying will be banned and forbidden, unless it’s for humiliating purposes. They will be shown as absolutely irredeemable, and associating yourself with them as evil and unforgivable. You will be instructed to block or unfollow or report the person based on what you’re told, without any significant proof.
(i decide to count here LO outright refusing to ever admit that Courtney went through any kind of abuse, even at the hands of her older brother, something that does actually nothing for her. the brother that, btw, not that long ago was using transphobic insult against her and never apologized for it anyway, but it's evil when only Courtney does it even if he does apologize.)
Do not fall for smear campaigns. If a large amount of people all agree that a person is the worst, but their story is exaggerated, out of context, sounds fictional, and doesn’t show any proof, and the people switch from being enraged to eager, doubt it. Participating in a smear campaign will help the abusers isolate and abuse someone, and you do not want to be a part of it. They will also smear anyone who stands up to their abuse, so you’re helping the abusers to create a place where pointing out abuse gets you cast out of the community.
(what a good article, LO. i'm sure this doesn't apply to you at all! because you have so much evidence and proof for everything you accuse everyone of being or doing, right? you have all the evidence unlike us, don't you? you always provide the entire context and never, ever, misrepresent, lie or forget to mention key details into anything... even if your target is a literal 6 year old child.)
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It seems like jonsa wasn’t a thing till season 6 happened and they hugged each other? Idk I’m wondering what some saw in that hug that others didn’t that made people start shipping them romantically? That scene was emotional for me but that’s because I saw two siblings that have been through so much and are what’s left of their family reunite. Of course since then there has been a lot of metas written from both show and book to support it. But it was after the fact. What was it about that one scene lol
Well, season six premiered in 2016, but three years prior, in 2013 there was a beautiful meta speculating that Jon and Sansa would reunite first of all the Starks (link) and marry for political reasons, so, the hug may have been the introduction to the idea for some, but the interest in/theory of romantic Jonsa preexisted it.
In addition to spec, there are Jonsa fics on AO3 dating back to 2011 (I see some that are now dated before that but those may have been backdated, not sure), I know I've reblogged artwork and meta from before the reunion, here’s a post about the ship from 2011, so, the moment anyone thought “this reunion is being filmed some kinda way”, or, “this soup scene is a little flirty”, or “why are they breathing this way in their scenes and …is Jon…panting? WTF”, or “why did they mutually cloak each other?”, or “why are the promising trust and protection?”, or “why are they cosplaying as NedCat?” they could check and find meta and fics that predicted some or several of those elements before the show did it. Some of the fics and spec even predicted Sansa in Witnerfell and Jon at the Wall, so there was a lot of foresight on the part of the og shippers!
I suppose what I’m getting at is that even when people point to the hug, there’s a context for why it so easily  snowballed. We can pinpoint that as the moment, but my tendency is to think that all the surrounding things made a foundation for it. I mean, even genre tropes played a role here. I’ve had people tell me they expected it from the first book because of the princess/secret prince idea. And, in-verse, it has connections to other ideas like a Targ prince and Stark maiden, Targcest, and the Jaime/Jon foils + the Cersei/Sansa foils situation. I mean, hundreds of thousands of words have been written about this stuff since the reunion, sure, but a lot of the elements that make it so compelling were written by book fans first, they just never carried it to an endpoint where these things could all be gathered into a single development that allowed Martin to write a shade of grey into his discussion of incest via a storyline that also addresses Jon's longing for Winterfell/children and Sansa's desire for love. If one is willing to take a step back from the preconception of what Jonsa is, why it exists as a ship, it's very easy to see it as a clever culmination of many, many threads into a heart-wrenching, possibly hopeful, development. So, I’d argue that even if those ideas were only present in someone’s subconscious, it’s why someone might watch that hug (or the mutual cloaking/chemistry of the actors/lighting and blocking etc) and have a holy shit moment.
As for the hug itself, I don’t interpret it as romantic either in the sense that, I don’t think that is at all what the characters were feeling. However, when one thinks about how it was filmed, the breathlessness of the acting and how they let that scene stretch out and take it’s time...few other moments compare. Every aspect of it worked to tell the audience how important it was, and of course, as a Stark fan, finally having two Starks reunite after near misses, well, we had spent years building up to a meaningful Stark moment. Jon and Sansa’s relief and joy was ours. And not only did we have all that catharsis and a scene that was...treated with solemnity in a show that was losing it’s depth, storywise, it was one of the few writing choices after the halfway point that carried through the last three seasons. It set a trajectory for Jon and Sansa individually, that reunion and relationship changed everything for them. However one interprets it, their bond became the most important relationship in the last three seasons, and was of the utmost importance in the finale, despite everything becoming pretty nonsensical. In hindsight, it wasn’t accidentally meaningful, incidentally a highpoint of the series, it was essential, essential to them, essential to the story, essential to the endgame.
So, not only do you have in-universe ideas that make this meaningful, not only was there speculation that called it and presents it as the beginning of a romance, not only did they film it in a far more reverential way than they filmed any other relationship (even more so than the epic romance of the series), it also was a necessary stepping stone to the endgame. Even mishandled as it ultimately was, the weight of what it meant spans the entire series, and audiences felt that. It was a turning point for Jon, for Sansa, for the North, for the fight against the Others (even more so than Jon meeting Dany because s7-s8 were so horribly written), so not only is it compelling for lovers of themes, for lovers of the overarching narrative, for lovers of the characters who simply needed their favs to smile again, the failure of the last two seasons made it even more of a high point in our minds of what GoT was and should have been, who these characters are and what they want. And you see how this leads us right back to those desires Jon and Sansa have: Winterfell and family. Again, I did not watch s6 and think it had to be interpreted romantically, but after s7 when I got online and read spec, rewatched their scenes and compared them to how Kit acted Jon with Ygritte and with Dany, I changed my mind. Jon and Sansa, their desires and fears, were never as vivid and compelling as they were in their shared scenes, every conversation developed the complexity of their emotions for each other, and all of that was established in the way they presented that first hug—disbelief, longing, relief, joy.
Also, when someone can predict what happens, I think it’s worthwhile to consider the idea that maybe there’s something to learn from their interpretation of themes, and the fact that a Jonsa reunion was long predicted, matters so much for character development as well as plot progression...well, it means something! Anyway, I can’t argue that the hug itself was romantic, but I do think, especially in comparison to how they handled every other relationship, meeting or reunion in s7-8, that D&D were doing something there, and I personally can’t be convinced they meant for the Jon and Sansa dynamic to be read as strictly familial.
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The Dragon Heir | part 5.
Summary: What happens when King Viserys' only current heir is a choice between his twin daughters? The realm will not accept a woman but you have no care for what the realm thinks it won't accept.
Warnings: it's the game of thrones realm, and obviously incest comes with the Targaryen package but it still deserves a second warning
Pairing: Daemon Targaryen x black!reader, Daemon Targaryen x targaryen!reader
Word Count: 3.6k
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The flames cooled until they were gone and glass remained where sand once was on the beach. Daemon ran the moment he saw you. He covered you with the cloak you had handed him. You looked down at yourself, picking at the white sleeping gown still left on your body. 
“I severely underestimated the heat of dragonfire,” you said. “One more dress would have been smarter.” 
Daemon grabbed you by the sides of your face. “How long have you known you were a Dragon?” 
“I didn’t really.” You felt Daemon’s hands squeeze you a little tighter. “I always tested myself with candles after accidentally knocking one over when I was small.” 
“Are you mad?” 
“It worked.” You turned to look at the dragon. “Vhagar, Soves.” 
The dragon took off, returning shortly after. Rhaenyra threw your shoes at you before pushing Daemon out the way. You braced yourself for your sister hitting you in the shoulder. 
“What were you thinking? What if you had died?” 
“Ah, ah, Rhaenyra. That actually hurts, you know. Rhaenyra!” 
She pulled you into a hug. “Do not ever do that to me again.” 
You looked at the rest of the court. “This matter is finished. The children are still not allowed at the dragon pits until I say it. Aemond, you will be given first pick of eggs any dragon lays until you find the one that suits you. I never want to hear about this business again, from any of you.” 
The children didn’t say anything. You accepted that as their reluctant agreement. Rhaenyra stepped away from you, letting you go to Daemon. You patted at his chest, searching for the parchment. Your fingers graced it. With the parchment still safe, you stood up a bit straighter. 
“I am no fool. I’ve heard what a lot of the castle whisper about my nephews, the current heirs to my throne if something were to happen to me who is currently without child.” 
“What?” Alicent started. “That is no—” 
“It had been discussed years ago with the King and you know that.”  
“You couldn’t have been serious.” 
“Rhaenyra is the next-born after me, she and her children would be the ones to inherit the throne.” 
“Aegon is the first-born son!” 
“But he is the third child. Unless you’d like to kill all three of my sister’s children to put your own on the throne.” 
“Are you trying to insinuate something, Princess?” 
You ignored her. “It is interesting to see you once again as Hand, Lord Otto.” 
“Princess,” he said with an awkward bow of his head.  
You pulled the parchment out of Daemon’s pocket just enough for people to see. “I do not think we need to be reminded that questioning the princes’ legitimacy is an act of treason I could have you all executed for. We’ll settle this issue as well. I think we all know about the one lord that managed to hold my affection tragically passed away in battle. I know questions about heirs are starting to come about again. I don’t want to hear it.” 
Otto Hightower cleared his throat. “If you don’t want to hear it then the right thing to do would be to name Aeg—” 
“To name my firstborn son as heir or my daughter. Perhaps I have neglected my own duties without meaning to. I will marry Prince Daemon and we will sire an heir.” 
“This is an insult to the queen. There are heirs right in front of you.” 
“The insult is insinuating the queen consort is above the heir and letting her cut the future queen without consequence, disregarding the fact that when my father differs to me, I speak with the voice of the King. My word is forever above the queen… consort. Further insult was the Hand of the King trying to promise the heir to his infant grandson in hopes the grandson would sit on the throne instead.”  
“Princess.” 
“Of course the only other solution I would agree to is marrying Baela to Aegon after Daemon and I combine houses. They would share the throne together as equals. No one is above each other. However, I would have to honor Lord Corlys’ wishes to grant Baela use of her maternal name when she ascends the throne. It would stand should she have any sons as well.” 
“You would end the Targaryen rule?” 
“Willingly.” 
You raised an eyebrow but Otto didn’t say anything else. The parchment with your writing on it was tucked back into Daemon’s pocket. You patted it a couple of times.  
“If that proposal isn’t favorable I will happily return to my first words… Wonderful, I will grant Lord Laenor and Princess Rhaenyra their request to occupy Dragonstone in this present time. Prince Daemon and his daughters will move to King’s Landing with me. That should satisfy all questions of claims.” 
The court turned to look at Viserys. When he didn’t do anything, it was clear to everyone that he had already approved it. You looked up at Daemon who was still holding you. He pulled you into a hug, chin resting on your head. The tight way he held you let you know you made the right decision. Daemon was able to protect you from everything. He wanted to protect you from everything. 
The matter with dragons was completely put to rest. Your new focus — or rather, your father’s new focus — was on the upcoming wedding. You didn’t want to have a large wedding. Daemon sat in your lounging chair, watching you pace back and forth, with a smile on his face. You were back in King’s Landing to prepare. You had suggested getting married in the way of Old Valyria but your father insisted that wouldn’t do. You were the heir. It had to be big. 
Maybe Viserys knew what he was talking about. The entirety of King’s Landing, possibly all of the Seven Kingdoms, was buzzing about your wedding. The notion of you being heir was less questioned in each conversation. You suspected it was because they believed Daemon would control everything behind you. He was a good ally, already doing his job and the two of you weren’t even married yet. 
You closed the door on another maiden who came to ask you a question, turning your head over your shoulder to look at Daemon.
“Do you hear what he’s on now? He wants to move Balerion’s skull into the outer yard. Is it necessary for all of Flea Bottom to attend? I barely got him to concede to not putting wings on the shoulder of my dress. He won’t move on having the wedding anywhere but the Godswood.” 
Daemon extended an arm until you reluctantly stomped towards him. He gently held your hand. “I thought you always wanted a wedding in the Godswood.” 
“Not when the entire realm gets to watch.” 
“The entire realm?” 
“Those not seated in the wood itself get to watch from the castle windows. Then we have to make the rounds at the festival not just here but in the outer yard.” 
Daemon tugged on your hand a bit. “Sit.” 
You sat on the little space there was since he was laying across the chair. 
“Now, calm yourself.” 
With a very loud sigh, you relaxed and let your back fall against Daemon’s chest. “I don’t like you telling me what to do.” 
He chuckled. “Ah, we all know you will be telling me what to do soon.” 
You played with his hands that were wrapped around your middle. Occasionally, Daemon pressed light kisses to your hair. You two had been spending lots of time with each other since announcing the marriage plan at Driftmark. Both of you wanted to know each other in ways you never cared to before. It was important for a happy marriage. You poked one of his fingers. 
“You don’t think it will be tiring? Honoring the Seven and the Old Gods and our Valyria.” 
“Showing you represent the entire Realm means incorporating their traditions with ours. We are all one.” 
“I just wanted the ceremony to be small.” 
Daemon’s humming became the only noise in the room. You let yourself relax more, sinking further into his touch. He moved one of his hands from around you. Fingertips danced on your scalp as he kept humming. You felt Daemon slowly undoing the haphazardly done braids and pieces pinned up. 
“Now it is your hair that is a mess.” 
Daemon sat up a little bit, forcing you to follow suit if you wanted to be comfortable. He reached for the oils on the small table by your lounging chair. A small smirk crossed his face when you let out a small moan at him tugging on your hair a bit. You turned around and pushed his shoulder. 
“Don’t laugh.” 
“I’m not laughing.” 
“Yes, you are. I can see that you want to.” 
He raised an eyebrow. “You can see that now?” 
“There.” You pointed at the raised corner of his mouth. “Right there, you are about to laugh.” 
“I’m just smiling. Is that a crime now?” 
“You are a headache, Daemon.” 
“I am the headache?” He turned you back around, pressing a kiss to the back of your neck. 
The feeling of Daemon doing your hair was nicer than any servants. He was oddly delicate with what he was doing. He kept humming as he braided pieces. The humming stopped when you tilted your head all the way back to look at him. 
“When did you ever do hair past pushing it away from your face?” 
“Baela and Rhaena,” he said simply. 
Daemon leaned over a bit. He kissed your forehead before pushing your head back up. You didn’t move anymore so he could do his work. You both were a bit surprised when the door to your chamber opened. No one would ever dare to just enter the room with even a knock. Baela and Rhaena approached you two without a care in the world. You and Daemon looked at each other. 
“Vhagar laid eggs,” Rhaena said with excitement. 
Baela held out the egg in her hands. “We brought this one for you.” 
They set the stone-like eggs in your lap. You admired them for a moment. The eggs were slightly larger than normal but that was typical for eggs from dragons as big as Vhagar. You picked it up. 
“Thank you, girls… And thank you, Jace and Luke.” 
The two boys appeared in the doorway. “How did you know we were here?” 
“I have never seen the four of you apart unless it is time to sleep.” 
They had nothing to say because you weren’t wrong in what you said. Your nephews came in with the other two eggs Vhagar laid. The four children made themselves comfortable in your chamber much to you and Daemon’s annoyance. He kept braiding your hair as you two listened intently to whatever the children were rambling about.
The same way you and Daemon were learning each other, Baela and Rhaena did the same with you. You didn’t want them to think you were replacing their mother but you didn’t want to be only a stepmother to them as well. 
Daemon finished your hair. You moved aside so the girls could get their hair done as well, going to sit next to your nephews. Jacaerys and Lucerys groaned when a member of the Kingsguard knocked on your door. They were just as annoyed as you were about the wedding. As your nephews, they were expected to participate not just attend.  
Baela and Rhaena left shortly after the boys. Daemon took the eggs from you, going to place them in the fireplace of your chamber. You watched him poke and prod as he tried to settle all four eggs in a certain position. 
“I’ve moved chambers,” he said, moving to place the second egg into the fireplace. “I’ve taken the one right next to you so I’ll be closer if you ever need me. Move the painting to the left of your bed and you can come in whenever you want without being seen.” 
“I think I will still walk through the front door. I’d rather not stumble in when you want to turn your chamber into a pleasure house.” 
“The days of pleasure houses are over. I didn’t even with Laena.” 
“Is it because you were starting to love her even if you don’t care to admit it?” 
Daemon let out a short laugh. “Perhaps.” 
“But we are politics. I wouldn’t stop you. I would never be angry either.” 
“Calling in whores underneath the nose of our queen makes you weak. The simplest things they might turn the other cheek at Viserys but will question you like they did your sister.”  
He strolled back over to you. Taking both of your hands in his, he crouched in front of you. Slowly, he kissed one hand and then the other. For the first time since your father had told you about the decision to name you heir, you felt the gravity of the situation. Daemon wasn’t smiling anymore.  
“We may be politics but you are the first queen of the Seven Kingdoms. You are mine, now, as I am yours. I promise to you that I will never do anything to hurt you. I will always stand in front of you in the face of our enemies. I hope you will put good faith in all my words.” 
“I believe you, Daemon.” 
“Good.” 
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King’s Landing practically came to a halt when your wedding day finally arrived. You sat in your chamber, leg constantly bouncing up and down as you waited. You wanted to scold yourself. It was stupid to be nervous. It was just Daemon. Well it was marrying Daemon… in front of the entire realm. That was the part that concerned you. The entire realm would party for a week straight. 
Rhaenyra came in with Baela, Rhaena, and Helaena. You were a bit surprised at seeing your younger half-sister there. Helaena never had problems but she also stuck to herself, easily manipulated by the other members of her family. You supposed with Viserys around it was easier for her to do what she wishes. Still sticking to herself, Helaena moved to prep your bath water. You were directed to get in. 
You watched from the water as they fluttered about. Helaena was combing over your jewelry. You tried to hide a snort. Apparently, she didn’t agree with what pieces had already been laid out. You stared at the dress Rhaenyra was laying out on the bed. It had multiple skirts to add volume. The dress sparkled as you looked at its coloring, something you fought your father on and lost. You wanted red, one of your house colors. He wanted white, a symbol of sorts for unity in the family.
In the end, you both didn’t get your wish. The dress was a gold pale enough to be mistaken for white in the right moments. The sleeves were long, ending right at your wrists. The neckline was square and meant to show off your neckline and shoulders — the gown had rounded shoulder bits that stuck straight up, as if it was stuck to your arm instead of being draped over your shoulder blades, still creating a shoulderless effect. The entire gown was embroidered in thread that matched the color of the gown. 
Baela and Rhaena did your hair as you soaked to no end in the water that was slowly becoming tepid. You were starting to wonder if your curls grew overnight. How much hair could they make into various braids?
It seemed like they would never end. The scent of the orange blossom oil they used for your hair finally started to reach your nose. Once your hair was finished, you were allowed out of the tub. 
Rhaenyra helped you dress. You admired yourself in the mirror as your sister made sure the dress laid correctly. Helaena made you stick out your arms. You looked at the new jewelry she selected. All of it was dainty. Even the necklace she put on you was dainty as well. Thin and gold. The only thing that had much weight was the crown made specifically for your wedding. The girl gave you a nod and started to walk away, her job done. 
“Helaena.” 
She stopped when you called her, turning ever so slightly. You beckoned her back over. When she was close enough to touch, you pulled her by the wrist into a hug. Your hand cradled the back of her head. She froze up for a moment before her arms slowly reached out to wrap around your waist. You gave her a few pats to the head before pulling away.
Helaena looked at where you were still holding her hand to make sure she didn’t leave. You searched your jewelry box for the rings made out of the White Hart antler. It had made more than enough rings and whistles. You had enough left over to make hair pins and hair forks. You grabbed a hair fork, sticking it in your half-sister’s hair. Finally, you loosened your grip on her hand. 
“Okay, go,” you said with a little tilt of your head. 
Helaena looked at the fork in the mirror before leaving. Despite having your hair done and being fully dressed, you weren’t complete in wedding preparations. Baela sat you down on the lounging chair. She looked through the lip pigments.
She picked a small tin of beeswax that had been colored with grounded up pink rose petals and flavored with the nectar from honeysuckles. You sat deathly still and let her spread it over your lips until they were just tinted pink. The two girls left, needing to get the flowers for their part in the ceremony. 
It was just you and your sister left. The two of you looked at each other through the mirror, silent for a moment. Her dress was the red that you originally wanted. The more you looked at your dress, the stranger you felt. You should have been married years ago to one of the second sons in the North. Waiting for him to return from battle instead of insisting he didn’t go was your fault. You felt like it was your fault. 
Or maybe you should have been married later, with someone you loved. You looked your reflection in the eye. There was no later. You were getting married and you were getting married now. There were no choices. It was Daemon or risk more fighting in your own House. The House of the Dragon wasn’t allowed to tear itself apart. That was your father’s wish and you would honor Viserys’ wish. Keep the family together and make sure the realm is looked after. 
Marrying Daemon was a legitimate claim to the throne despite the fact that you were first born. It added validity. Rhaenyra’s sons could’ve been enough. But when the realm saw your beautiful brown-haired nephews without the known blonde-white of their supposed father, it was all ruined. You gave your sister a smile when you realized she was studying your face. She wrapped her arms around you, resting your chin on your shoulder. 
“I am sorry,” Rhaenyra said. “If Laenor and I had even had one, we wouldn’t be in this mess now. The Realm was so ready to love Jacaerys.” 
“I think when they believed my fertility complications they were praying for me to never marry after finding out you had a first-born son.” 
You both chuckled. Rhaenyra squeezed you a bit tighter. 
“How it would have been easier if I could have just had one. Or one with my hair, that would’ve been enough.” 
You placed your hands over hers. “No, Rhaenyra. It is me who should be sorry. I should’ve never asked you to take my side when we were younger. I should’ve never used you to satisfy the realm. It would have been better if I had married Aegon when Otto Hightower suggested it.” 
“No,” she said with conviction. “I wholeheartedly agreed with your decisions and you were not only disgusted at betrothing Aegon when he was only a babe. You hated the thought of political marriage. I agreed for you. I am still free to do whatever I please, you aren’t. I wanted you to marry for love like you always wanted to.” 
“Well look at where we are now.” 
“I’m sorry,” she whispered. 
A knock on the door took you both out of your moment. 
“Come in,” you coughed out. “Father, where is your cane?” 
“I cannot walk you with my cane.” 
You immediately rushed over to him when he was about to run out of wall to lean on. Rhaenyra nodded to you, leaving so she could take her place in the wedding. Your eyes darted to the ceiling when the bells started to ring. It was time. 
You tapped your father’s hand, encouraging him to use your arm as a crutch if needed. It wasn’t like anyone would be able to tell that he was doing that instead of simply escorting you. You were to walk a good portion of the castle, greeting all the guests that you could see before entering the Godswood where the invited nobles were. Viserys and you were announced — the King and Her Grace. Everyone kept greeting you as you walked through the halls, constantly saying ‘My King’ and ‘Your Grace’ respectively. 
It felt like ten years before you reached the Godswood. This was the start of the wedding for the realm. You could see Daemon’s back as he stood in front of the Septon, who had a small table in front of him, at the base of the weirwood tree. The tree was to honor the Old Gods of the North. Your sister smiled at you, trying to elicit the same response from you. The music started again.
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anti-anti-vents · 2 months
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Welcome to my blog! If you’re new to these debate, leave now and never return there are some things I’d like to define, since I find often times people mean many things when saying them.
What is shipping?
Shipping is the act of depicting, or wanting depictions of, two or more FICTIONAL characters in a relationship, that is romantic and/or sexual unless stated otherwise. The most common reason people would do this, and the one that comes to most peoples minds, is that the person thinks these characters would work out well together. However, there’s many more reasons than that to want to explore a dynamic, so it’s a misconception that that’s always the case. Please note, it’s not shipping when real people are involved instead of characters, that’s sexual harassment!*
What is a proshipper? What is an anti? What is an anti-anti?
In short, a proshipper is somebody who believes it’s okay to ship any characters for any reason. An anti is somebody who believes that shipping dynamics that would be toxic or immoral IRL is also not okay to do in fiction, and often go to length to let people know this opinion when they find a ship they deem to be inappropriate. And finally, an anti-anti is somebody who doesn’t necessarily believe that EVERY ship is morally neutral, but does believe you should never harass somebody over it regardless.
So, why are you an anti-anti?
Obviously, I don’t believe in harassing people, that should be a given. And I do find most ships morally neutral, but the main reason I don’t call myself a proshipper is that some do still leave a sour taste in my mouth (namely ships that “fix” a queer person, or turn an abuser into somebody super sweet; but feel free to RESPECTFULLY drop some reasoning into my askbox why those are okay if you want). However, I do recognize that it’s just fiction, and I can’t see into the minds of the people making it, so I’ll never truly know their reasonings.
What the hell got you into this discourse?
Well, if you can’t tell by my pfp, I love the game The Coffin of Andy and Leyley. (Spoilers ahead) But if you know anything about the game, you’ll know that the internet didn’t agree with me. They got mad over the CLEARLY PORTRAYED AS IMMORAL, completely optional outside a few implications, part of a demonic dream and not actually a real thing that happened, horror game incest. My goodness, you’d think they’d be mad at the actually romanticized cannibalism, or the many other pieces of media that include incest, but no. At the end of the day, this was just an excuse to doxx a trans woman until she left the internet. Because that’s who’s affected by this discourse. Not big media sensations and fiction that’s reached enough mainstream appeal to be genuinely normalizing things for the masses, but instead small indie creators and queer people. We need to do better.
Do you have a DNI?
Just don’t harass people, that’s all I ask. Regardless, this is a side blog, so I won’t be following back.
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noisytenant · 4 months
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BIG umineko spoilers up to episode 4 end stretch - grooming, implied incest/pedophilia mention; talking thru some theories/observations
am i misremembering or wasnt (someone calling herself) beatrice raised from birth in kuwadorian. everyone keeps calling her kinzo's mistress and it's like. oh they don't know...
im sure the ambiguity is intentional because the point is that we can't really pin down her age (or even how many fucking beatrices there are), but it keeps coming back to me. beatrice's drunk furniture talk in episode 4 is like really sharp when you look at all this.
they repeatedly draw attention to beatrice's age, both physically and how she acts, and age-appropriateness in general. it strikes me a lot how everyone treats battler as an adult man, even though he's only 18 and self-admittedly not very mature. arrested by trauma, none of the family members really know how to grow up, and the line between fantasy and reality is blurred.
i wonder if the thing where it seems she (or someone calling herself beatrice) perhaps had some feelings for battler in the past is related to all this. she's trapped in this birdcage, and yet suddenly there's this guy who doesn't accept the family's values. without even realizing the significance of what he's doing, he challenges them and escapes their clutches, seemingly simply because it's in his stubborn nature (and perhaps related to his "true" identity).
but he stops thinking. he doesn't build a case or try to justify it. he doesn't change anything, he doesn't protect or save anyone but himself. in the end, he swallows down the family's poison, thinking he was naive and childish for leaving. and of course, beatrice who knows little more than her cage, torn between contempt and appreciation for it, is going to push and prod at him, trying to make him remember why he left in the first place, and why he left her there. you were the only one who got your head above the water, but you didn't even realize you were breathing for the first time!
just as a matter of my personal opinion about Breaking The Cycles, i feel like a big point is that ultimately you have to be the one to break it yourself. it would be kind of lame if he just white knight saved her--but i think it's extremely understandable that a big part of her wants that.
it's hard to move away from an abusive narrative when your vantage point is so limited (remember the talk about seeing things from multiple perspectives to create a 3D composite?). beatrice's endless magic is the limitless power she has to consider everything that happened and make sense of it. but it's coated in mysticism, in kinzo's magic explanations. because it's endless, it's also inescapable. she's looking for an "out", and battler seems like one, so intent on denial. but i think with her resignation from the game, she's lost faith in him. she's retreating into her role. i'm losing my train of thought here but yeah
i think this is... really missing the specifics of who these characters are, the identity switches and so on, but i do think that it's an emotional narrative that has some credence.
beatrice has multiple selves, some fawning and some fighting, and struggles to resolve the various truths of her existence. reflected in the eyes of someone so intent to challenge everything she is, there's the opportunity that he might cut through and excise the internalized narratives that keep her chained to her role(s). but as we get through episode 4, it's clearer that he simply can't see her, he doesn't even understand the game he's playing--its emotional component, the motives. It isn't about what actually logically happened, it's about what those various speculations mean about who we are and who we can become.
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...Nice petscop reference
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