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yourlocalnetizen · 4 days
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Finally found someone like me who hates both Helaegon & Helaemond!
“i love helaena so much! helaemond/helaegon forever!” i am projectile vomiting into your face at a velocity so strong you are thrown backwards through a brick wall.
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yourlocalnetizen · 6 days
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It's kind of underrated on how everyone was 100 percent sure Loras was going to commit regicide the second he saw Joffrey abuse Margaery, so the rest of his family had to hurry up and plot a murder before Loras could become a kingslayer. Aemon the dragonknight could never
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yourlocalnetizen · 12 days
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Jaehaera: Uncle Aemond, you like my dad... the way my mom likes my dad, don't you?
Aemond: ...
Aemond: Your mom likes your dad?
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yourlocalnetizen · 13 days
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Targaryen names I have beef with
Aenys - Fitting name for a little wimp but it still sounds ugly.
Aenar - Also ugly.
Daella - Why is it pronounced "Day-ella" but spelled "Da-ella"?
Same for Rhaelle & Rhaella (I want to pronounce her "Ray-la" so bad), but they sound slightly less ugly than Daella & don't give me the ick like the rest.
Maelor - I know it means "little prince" or whatever but it rolls of the tongue terribly. It sounds like the name of an ugly Valyrian pet or something. Why couldn't Helaena have named him Baelor (sounds slightly better) after her grandfather or something?
Rhae - Cute but a name for a princess??? Maekar & Dyanna were so lazy with this one.
Rhaegel - Because it's one letter off from Rhaegal and sounds almost the same.
Matarys - I hate it, thanks.
Valarr - ...
Aegor - Sounds ugly
Haegon - It just feels off. "Hae" & "gon" don't sound good together.
Gaemon - Gael is the only pretty name with the "Gae" prefix.
Names I also don't like but can live with: Saera, Vaegon, Aelor, Baelon
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yourlocalnetizen · 13 days
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This needed to be said.
INDIS 👏 WAS 👏 NOT 👏 A 👏 VICTIM!!!
She's easily the most selfish character in the Tolkienverse besides Finwe himself imo, because her obsession with a married man was so strong that she would happily condemn the child of the man she "loved" to an eternity without his mother.
In the end, it's poetic justice to me that neither Finwe or Indis got the happy ending they wanted. Indis lost Finwe forever and Miriel CHOSE to leave Finwe forever (homeboy would've been happy to be dead with Miriel for the rest of time but she said "Now that you're here & can't force me to have babies if I'm revived, I will proceed to be revived")
INDIS WAS A BITTTTTTTTCH [unpopular opinion meme]
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Uhuhuhu….time to be problematic, bitches.
I might well get a hailstorm of arrows flung at me for this, but I really don’t buy that Indis was the poor innocent suffering angel that she’s always made out to be. I’m not saying she was a terrible person or anything, I’m sure she was lovely when her surroundings were comfortable for her….but she was in no way equipped to properly handle a child like Feanor, and I don’t think we can really lay the blame for their bad relations on Feanor alone.
If you think about it, this kid had just lost his mother. Of course he’s not going to be thrilled about this strange woman suddenly marrying his father, the only person he has left that he’s in any way close to. Especially since it means that his mother can never return, whereas before there might have been some chance of that, however small. So…doubtless Feanor didn’t exactly roll out the welcome mat for Indis, but for me at least, that’s perfectly understandable.
But as I have said before, I really doubt that Indis had anything close to the level of patience or understanding that would have been needed to deal with this grieving kid, who also happens to be the restless and headstrong spirit of fire. I think she would have just given up pretty quickly, and I wouldn’t be surprised if their strife with each other became more of a back-and-forth rather than Feanor throwing spears and her just taking it. Hence, their relationship only worsened and grew into a lifelong resentment.
That’s my view of it anyway. Again, I’m not saying that Indis was a shitty person and a 24/7 asshole. But she was way out of her depth, and as a result probably had her own moments of not behaving overly well.
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yourlocalnetizen · 14 days
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Andreth: We can make this work! We're Romeo and Juliet!
Finrod: It didn't work for Romeo and Juliet! That play ends in a tragic double suicide.
Aegnor: That's how it ends? Why do people like it so much?!
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yourlocalnetizen · 18 days
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How I imagine Feanor's relationships with each of his sons
Maedhros
Given Feanor's bond with his dad, I think he tried recreate that with his firstborn but that didn't work out like he planned because unlike Finwe who's blind to Feanor's faults and Feanor who can never open up about his frustrations with Finwe, Feanor & Maedhros are both total hotheads.
However, they love each other just as fiercely. Surprisingly, both of them carry a lot of trust in each other despite their many disagreements and are comfortable being honest with each other. Maedhros will tell Feanor his opinions even if his dad won't like them.
Maedhros feels safe with his dad regardless, he knows his dad will love him even if he's disappointed in him (EX: The Ships). He became much more closed off after loosing Feanor, he can't really open up to others the same way.
Maglor
Maglor shares Finwe's passiveness when it comes to Feanor. He does not like the idea of fighting with his dad, so he rarely voices his disagreement ever, but that doesn't exactly make them closer.
The love is absolutely there but Feanor does not know Maglor like he knows Maedhros. Maglor is an Enigma, he can easily talk to Feanor for hours but Feanor thinks back on the conversation, he realizes how little Maglor told him about himself.
Unironically, the most Feanor can learn about Maglor is through his son's music. Music is Maglor's outlet, his songs are his thoughts, the sounds reflect emotions he's felt.
But overall a very chill relationship. Maglor is an obedient son, Feanor is a supportive father. Maglor holds some resentment towards his father after he lived to see everything the oath took from him, but he'd still run into Feanor's arms as if he was a boy again if he ever saw him again.
Celegorm
Celegorm's resemblance to Miriel complicates everything. Feanor knows he's strong and healthy, but he's still protective of him to a fault. Celegorm hates it, he doesn't understand why he's constantly fussing over him, but he feels like Feanor treats him like a fragile doll.
Eventually he does understand it, but he's not above telling Feanor off when his dad starts panicking over every little scratch he gets.
However, while he reasonably has his boundaries, Celegorm is highly affectionate. Both his elder brothers who aren't very touchy people, and Feanor, while he doesn't ask for it, is highly comforted by Celegorm affection and warmth.
I think after Celegorm joined Orome's hunt and Feanor busied himself with the younger kids, their relationship becomes much healthier.
Caranthir
Surprisingly the healthiest relationship Feanor has with any of his sons.
Caranthir is a bit of a loner, and that worries Feanor a bit. When he sees Caranthir alone, he goes to spend time with him because loneliness is something Feanor understands on a deep level.
Caranthir is the opposite of Maglor when it comes to expressing himself. He's snarky and always let's his displeasure be known, however, unlike Maedhros he usually agrees with Feanor or doesn't care so he's never really at serious odds with his dad.
Curufin
Feanor has a good relationship will all his sons but Curufin is the only one who shares interest in Feanor's first love, creating. Naturally, they're attached by the hip.
Feanor has all these hopes and dreams for Curufin, who desperately wants to please his father. Curufin isn't as good as Feanor & Feanor knows that, but he hopes Curufin will be able to get there one day.
Curufin never challenges Feanor like Maedhros does, doesn't mask his feelings in front of Feanor like Maglor does, doesn't instinctively make Feanor worry like Celegorm does, & he isn't as snarky or snappy like Caranthir is. Curufin is the perfect companion, Feanor even tells him they're a perfect pair.
And they are perfect pair, for Feanor, not for Curufin. Curufin wants to have the type of relationship with Feanor that Feanor had with Finwe, but he can't.
Finwe is the fuel that's makes Feanor's bright flame grow and grow and grow and grow until he's shines the brightest, but Feanor has become such overwhelming fire that he engulfs Curufin within him.
And Feanor can not pour all his love into just Curufin the way Finwe did to him, he loves his other sons deeply and passionately as well.
(Sorry twins, don't have enough to say right now but I might come back to you guys later)
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yourlocalnetizen · 19 days
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Thinking about how Tigerstar’s “true love” is Sasha yet his favorite child is Brambleclaw
Hawkfrost is Sasha’s son, Brambleclaw isn’t.
When Tigerstar looks at Brambleclaw he sees only himself, there’s no Goldenflower in him.
However, each time Tigerstar looks at Hawkfrost, he’s staring into Sasha’s blue eyes.
Tigerstar went against the very beliefs he killed others for when falling in love with Sasha. Sasha brought out his hypocrisy & that weakened his authority.
Hawkfrost was born out of an affair Tigerstar would consider shameful & sinful. Tigerstar killed Stonefur for being a half-clan cat. He tried to kill Stormfur & Feathertail for the same thing. And he HATES Kittypets.
And yet, he made Hawkfrost. His own little half-clan demon that he fathered on a Kittypet.
Brambleclaw was bred to be his perfect son. Goldenflower was nothing but a “proper” womb for his “heirs”.
Tigerstar may have loved Sasha as much as someone like him possibly could, and I believe a small part of him loved Hawkfrost as well, or at least wanted to, he kept him by his side after all
but Tigerstar’s ego can’t allow him to love anyone more than he loved himself, his pride, & his ambition.
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yourlocalnetizen · 19 days
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Call me evil but I hope Daeron II never forgave Maekar for Baelor's death.
Yeah, Maekar didn't mean it but...
imagine being Daeron: You love your son, you really do, and you still love him despite what he did, but he took your other son away from you, him feeling sorry won't bring your sweet boy back, your child is gone forever and it's his fault, every time you look at his face you always remember the son you lost
Oh, and I hope Aerys I resented him too. The angst of Maekar killing his brother isn't enough, I need him to face consequences for it besides guilt.
Baelor wasn't just his brother, he was also Aerys & Rhaegel's brother, he was Daeron & Myriah's firstborn, he was Jena's husband, he was Valaar & Matarys's father, he was the freaking heir and so many people loved him & I want Maekar to know they are in pain because of what he did.
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yourlocalnetizen · 19 days
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A Tale of Two Aegons
In some ways they are as different as night is to day...
Aegon, who was born to be the 2nd of his name
Aegon, the 2nd of his name who was born for nothing
Aegon, the usurped
Aegon, the usurper
Aegon, who wanted the throne but was never able to take it
Aegon, who never wanted the throne but was given it
Aegon, who rode a silver dragon
Aegon, who rode a golden dragon
Aegon, who was named heir over his elder sister just for being born male
Aegon, who would have been named heir over his elder sister just for being born male if his father had been any other king, or if his mother had been his father's first Queen, the favored Queen
...yet in other ways, their stories are the same
Aegon, who was named for the conqueror
Aegon, the second child & first surviving son
Aegon, who's terrible uncle hated them for having a better claim to the throne
Aegon, who had 2 little brothers
Aegon, the son of a foolish weak king
Aegon, who was wed to his sister at 15
Aegon, who's sister wife rode Dreamfyre
Aegon, who became a father to twins by 16
Aegon, who didn't give up on his goals
Aegon, who had to die, who's children had to die, to make space for someone better, someone more important
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yourlocalnetizen · 1 month
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I understand hating Aegon II, you’re so valid, but please leave those of us who enjoy his character alone
Like, I can see an Aegon enjoyer post something about him on Twitter unrelated to claims & Rhaenyra, but people just jump them for no reason with stuff like
“Aegon has fans?”
“You support 🍇”
“You’re a misogynist aren’t you”
Bestie, Tyrion did that as well. He’s GRRM’s favorite character so I don’t think George himself is going to judge people for liking Aegon.
Viserys did that as well, but people say his word is so important because he’s king and people must listen to it
And no I’m not a misogynist. I’m not denying there are other Aegon enjoyers that might be but there are other reasons people can like him apart from supporting his claim to the throne because of his gender.
I do think it was unfair to Rhaenyra that this war started over her gender & it think it was even more unfair to Rhaenys that she was passed over for her uncle & later her flop cousin.
But in a medieval context I understand the Green’s actions. Which is different than agreeing with them.
I don’t support the idea men should inherit over women because of their gender, but if I was Alicent or Aegon and my husband/father HAPPILY inherited over his female cousin and named his first wife’s son/my half brother heir over my stepdaughter/half sister who’s older, I’d definitely feel snubbed. (Still think it would’ve been better for Westeros overall if Rhaenyra got to inherit though)
I personally like Aegon because he and Sunfyre are such a slayful duo & I love how his character arc is just pain because I’m a simp for tragedy.
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yourlocalnetizen · 1 month
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Don't pit THE MEN of House Targaryen against each other!!!
Aenar is SMART FOR LISTENING TO HIS DAUGHTER
Aegon I is...
Aenys TRIED
Maegor is...
Aegon the Uncrowned MARRIED A LESBIAN ICON & IS AEREA'S FATHER
Jaehaerys I is...
Aemon the Pale Prince is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TARG MAN
Baelon is HUBBY MATIRIAL
Vaegon is A NERDY ACE ICON
V*serys I is...
D@emon is...
Aegon II is...
Aemond is...
Daeron the Daring is A WAR CRIMINAL WHO GET'S A PASS FOR BEING A MINOR
Aegon III DESERVED BETTER!!!
Viserys II is...
Daeron I is...
Baelor I is...
@*g0n !V is...
Aemon the Dragonknight is THE FATHER DAERON II DESERVED
Daeron II is THE BEST KING OF WESTEROS
Baelor Breakspear is THE BEST TARGARYEN MAN EVER
Aerys I is AN AROACE BOOKISH KING
Rhaegel is A DANCER WHO HATES CLOTHES
Maekar is AEGON V'S FATHER
Daeron the Drunken is...
Aerion is...
Maester Aemon is FLAWLESS
Aegon V is THE MOST ICONIC MALE TARG
Duncan LOVES HIS WIFE
Jaehaerys II is...
Daeron the Gay MARRIED HIS BF FOR LOVE
Aerys II is...
Rhaegar is...
Viserys III is...
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yourlocalnetizen · 2 months
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Aegon - Chosen by Otto (in the show) & both Alicent/Otto (in the book). Mutually agreed upon by Viserys.
Helaena - Chosen by Alicent.
Aemond - Chosen by Viserys, named in honor of Viserys's uncle Prince Aemon (who Aemma Arryn was also named after).
Daeron - Chosen by Viserys or Alicent.
I wonder, did Alicent get to name any of her children? Or were the names all picked by Viserys?
I feel like she had some input on Helaena, because there's no other women in the Targ history named Helaena - and Helene is a Hightower name, so the name could be fixed to sound Valyrian.
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yourlocalnetizen · 2 months
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Neglect is a form of abuse & I think yelling at your 10 year old son who lost his eye pretty deservingly counts as abusive behavior.
Even if they did act like Hightowers, whatever.
They treated him with the same respect he gave them, which is barely any.
If you don’t treat someone with kindness, they do not owe you dignity or respect, it’s as simple as that.
Someone brought it up and now it's bothering me.
Did Viserys receive a burial worthy of a Targaryen? Like him or dislike him, respect him or hate him, but Viserys was a Targaryen. He was a king. He was Balerion's last rider. Did the Greens show enough tact and respect to give him a funeral worthy of a dragon? Did they burn him or bury him in the faith of the seven, which Alicent placed above tradition? By removing the Targaryen emblems and replacing them with the stars of the seven, did she also replace this?
Who burned him? Whose dragon was it? If it had been the Blacks, it would have been done by Daemon and Caraxes, or Rhaenyra and Syrax as she did with Aemma and Baelon.
Was it Aegon and Sunfyre? Was it Dreamfyre? Did they burn it with torches? Did they even care enough to let Viserys go like Targaryen?
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yourlocalnetizen · 2 months
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If they gave him a non-Targ funeral, he deserved it.
He neglected & emotionally abused those kids their whole lives, they owe him literally nothing.
Someone brought it up and now it's bothering me.
Did Viserys receive a burial worthy of a Targaryen? Like him or dislike him, respect him or hate him, but Viserys was a Targaryen. He was a king. He was Balerion's last rider. Did the Greens show enough tact and respect to give him a funeral worthy of a dragon? Did they burn him or bury him in the faith of the seven, which Alicent placed above tradition? By removing the Targaryen emblems and replacing them with the stars of the seven, did she also replace this?
Who burned him? Whose dragon was it? If it had been the Blacks, it would have been done by Daemon and Caraxes, or Rhaenyra and Syrax as she did with Aemma and Baelon.
Was it Aegon and Sunfyre? Was it Dreamfyre? Did they burn it with torches? Did they even care enough to let Viserys go like Targaryen?
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yourlocalnetizen · 2 months
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“How can someone with an AEGON pfp dislike ALICENT?”
SHE’S DEADASS HIS ABUSER!!!
Like, that slap after what he did to that OC in HoTD was deserved (& he deserved worse) but the way she literally treated him his whole childhood wasn’t.
As for book!Alicent, no she didn’t abuse him physically but it was CLEAR AS DAY George wrote her to be manipulative & scheming and forcing her eldest son to do something he didn’t want to do while he wrote Aegon in a very sympathetic way as a Usurper who never even wanted to be one…
And maybe, just maybe, Aegon enjoyers are allowed to like him without liking everyone he loves & supports.
(I think Alicent is a good character btw, but I’m not above criticizing her.)
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yourlocalnetizen · 2 months
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Jaehaerys I: Do you think you're my daughters in every universe? Daenerys, Daella, Saera, & Viserra: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat us?
Alysanne: Do you think you're my daughter in every universe? Viserra: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat me?
Viserys I: Do you think you're my children in every universe? Aegon II, Helaena, Aemond, & Daeron: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat us?
Larra: Do you think you're my children in every universe? Aegon IV, Aemon, & Naerys: Is there a universe where you don't abandon us?
Viserys II: Do you think you're my daughter in every universe? Naerys: Is there a universe where you don't marry me to my abuser?
Aegon IV: Are you my son in every universe? Daeron II: Is there a universe where you don't hate me & try to make my life hell for no reason?
Jaehaerys II & Shaera: Do you think you're our daughter in every universe? Rhaella: Is there a universe where you don't marry me to my abuser?
Aerys II: Do you think you're my son in every universe? Rhaegar: Is there a universe where you don't mistreat me?
Rhaegar: Do you think you’re my children in every universe? Rhaenys & Aegon: Is there a universe where you don't abandon us for a teenager?
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