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#what i don't agree with is bullying and sending mean anons to each other about these things? havent seen all of them and
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I would like to know how Neil's interpretation of a scene he didn't write as not being a sex metaphor somehow means he's suddenly decided Aziracrow aren't in love. With how much the Good Omens fandom insists that all headcanons are valid, why does Neil sharing his for one scene suddenly mean he needs to be tricked and bullied into having Crowley and Aziraphale kiss or be otherwise romantic?
Is it because he said a dramatic last ditch attempt at communication in the form of a completely non-sexy kiss is just that? He didn't say it wasn't a romantic kiss, he said it was a non-sexual kiss. He said, to him, the oxrib scene was not a sexual metaphor. He has not said, anywhere, that Aziraphale and Crowley are not romantically in love.
Neil does not need to be bullied or tricked by Michael and David or anyone else to make Crowley and Aziraphale be and show they are in love. He's doing a remarkable job of making them that way all on his own.
hi anon!!!✨ okay, so ive pondered over this ask, and i can't quite parse out from the tone if you might be generally asking/ranting, or if you believe that im - put simply - anti-neil in this whole discourse fiasco? because if it's the latter, i'll happily share my personal thoughts on the matter as to why that is definitely not the case. initially, just to support my point, take a look at my tags on this and this post, because that will give you a little flavour as to my opinion.
essentially, i completely agree with you. first, for full disclosure - i know that there have been quite a few comments that neil has made (in interviews, tweets etc) over the years that have fed into this discourse that i do not have receipts for; so anyone that wants me to take these into account, please feel free to send me them.
okay, now i'll try and summarise my thoughts on this (and some may repeat points you have very rightly - imo - already made):
good omens, and in particular the show, is very diverse, and inclusive. it is a triumph in this respect. specifically, i think aziraphale and crowley's story has been written very cleverly and quite sensitively to provide or reflect representation for a wide array of sexualities, gender identifications, and in general queer experiences.
my second main thought is that there is a difference between author/writer original intent, author/writer interpretation of their own work (retrospectively, as a consumer or critic in their own right), and audience interpretation. none of them have to perish for others to exist; they can exist together, even if they can conflict each other in their conclusion/s. the best stories imo are those that can be read multiple ways.
the ox-scene in ep2 (and im also going to lump 40s minisode in this too... plus multiple other specific Acting Choices throughout the season) can be interpreted sexually. i don't think there are two ways about it, it definitely can. it may not be the author's intent (bearing in mind, whilst likely overseen by neil, ACtO was written by john) to write it sexually, but the direction/acting choices are, i think, undeniably sexual in subtext and tone.
that being said, whether or not this is what the writers had in mind when writing the episode (and im not saying they absolutely did, im not psychic), the literal written narrative is not sexual at all. it's crowley tempting aziraphale into eating, an earthly pleasure that we know aziraphale later enjoys. it is therefore perfectly reasonable for some people, i imagine particularly those that are aspec, to read this scene non-sexually. whether metaphorical for sex or just a complete mukbang on aziraphale's part, i read it as an uncomfortable, intimate, eldritch-like scene. all interpretations are correct, and none are wrong. it caters for many.
the kiss scene is, to my mind, not particularly romantic, and it's certainly not sexual. crowley meant it out of love, no doubt, and hand-in-hand with that love, out of desperation and as an 'everything else has failed' way of communicating. i personally read it as a temptation, as something desperate but almost on the cusp of being possessive and cruel - thats my personal opinion/interpretation. i'll be completely honest, i don't personally see how anyone can possibly read this scene as sexual (imo kisses are not and should not be gatekept by those that are sex-inclined), but where someone does, id be happy to learn why, to try to understand that interpretation. the romantic element is a little more questionable - technically speaking, yes, it probably is romantic, and i do understand how/why people read it as that, but for me it isn't.
the story in totality is however, to my mind, romantic; in my opinion, there is love of the romantic kind between aziraphale and crowley. furthermore, neil has stated that that is the writer's intent; he intends for it to be romantic.
taking the writer intent out of the equation however, for a moment, admittedly i think their story even throughout s2 could be seen as very lovingly platonic, right up until the kiss. but even then - as I said before - the kiss for me doesn't read as completely romantic. i think one could argue that crowley just simply saw it as something he could do because 'humans do it!'. the script itself doesn't confirm outright it is romantic - it strongly alludes to it, sure, but there has been no indisputable declaration of romantic love. therefore (whilst, again, i do not personally think this to be the case - i do see romantic love here) it is entirely possible to interpret the narrative, text and subtext, in completely different ways and those interpretations still be valid.
where the story, and their relationship itself, goes and concludes is unknown. they could have multiple kisses of the romantic variety in s3, or they may never kiss again. they could just hug, or hold hands. they could have a full-on sex scene, or potentially have a scene that could be interpreted as leading to one. they could even have a conversation about being willing to try sex, another human experience, but agree that if neither of them like it, they don't do it again (but will still love each other), and the conclusion is left purposefully ambiguous. there may be a love confession, an outright declaration, or something could be said in a subtle way such that can be interpreted as both platonic and romantic.
i agree that neil doesn't need to be bullied by anyone into writing the story he's going to write... there will however be jokes about it, mainly from the hyperbolic perspective of michael being quite vocal that he too sees aziraphale as being in love with crowley. michael has admitted (jokingly? professional research?) to reading fanfiction that helped inform him on this personal confirmation, and this may have informed him on his acting. there are some of us that joke about the 'feral-ness that is michael in being hellbent on getting a sex scene' etc., and i know some have taken that joke further in saying that michael should essentially campaign for one, but i think we can all safely say that neil will write what he writes, and michael will continue to play aziraphale absolutely perfectly, and according to the script and direction offered to him. they are professionals, colleagues, and im fairly certain are definitely friends; the jokes are jokes (on this blog at least, anyway).
final point; i think neil has a fairly difficult task - whether he actively pays a deliberate mind to this or not, or it just comes naturally - in continuing to write a story that can be representative of everyone. he has his intent, sure, and his later own interpretation, but he has provided something amazing; characters and a story that is supernatural in setting, but entirely human in nature. that can speak to so many people, of so many different walks of life. that everyone can see a bit of themselves in these characters, can recognise parts of them in their own spirit. sees them go through decisions and experiences and joy and pain that each of us have at some point probably encountered ourselves.
that balancing act - again, whether he purposefully does pay this any mind or not - cannot be easy. i do not personally see him as homophobic for what he said in that tweet. i do not personally think he has queerbaited, or led anyone on to think that the characters/narrative is something that it's not. that's my opinion, and i fully respect that others will have theirs (and id be happy to hear them!), but i think he is respectful that people will have their individual interpretations, and leave it at that. he may even agree with some of them - he has said that he has liked metas etc based on merit and effort, out of respect too i imagine, but not necessarily as a veritable stamp of approval that the post agrees outright with his original intent or personal interpretation.
in any case - why would he agree to one interpretation if that could mean that that could upset someone else with a different one? that's not fair on anyone, so i think it's more than fair that he sticks to confirming what he intended in what he wrote, and not comment on how it should be interpreted. its because of this - brass tacks time - that i think any questions about interpretation should be kept out of his askbox... sure, ask about what is literally in the script, or what physically happens on screen, or background 'canon' info, but don't ask him for how you should interpret it, because i think it's fair to say he is only ever going to give back his original intention, or how he personally interprets it.
that doesn't automatically mean that he thinks any other interpretation is ridiculous or inaccurate, or not valid; everyone else's interpretation can exist at the same time too. he might disagree privately, but that's up to him - same as the rest of us✨
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angelizs · 2 years
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Hello :D back again with more rambles !!! So as much as the Leech twins say they don’t care about Azul and would leave him; I have a hard time believing they genuinely would. I mean yes they clearly don’t have a traditional friendship but they definitely have one. The twins seem closer to each other but they often shadow over Azul even when he does things that seem boring. Playing more on the thought I mentioned in my Floyd ask, I think they might not say they’re friends because it could be exploited? Of course the twins are obvious with how close they are, but they can protect themselves. Meanwhile, Azul is powerful but not so much in the physical parts. They could avoid showing their friendship simply because it would make them seem “weaker” or that someone could harm Azul to harm them. Their dynamic is interesting because it breaks the stereotype of having 2 loyal servants. The twins are free to do whatever they want and deny a request unlike in other shows. Overall I think they have a friendship it’s just different than a traditional one- 🦭
HIII 🦭 ANON HOW ARE U?? I'm so sorry for taking so long to answer, life has been real busy lately, but I'm powering through!! thank you for sending your thoughts again!!
I agree with you, the twins and Azul are not only friends, but also very close ones! they've stayed with Azul for years and have watched him grow into the person he's now, being by his side the whole time! they all know each other on a very deep level, thus they also care about each other, in their own eccentric ways.
the twins, at first, only stayed because Azul was different from others (as this is the reason he was bullied in the first place). because of that, they didn't know what to expect with him, thus making him insteresting to be around. they ended up actually becoming friends though, and stayed together after that, following each other from dephts of the cold ocean to the lands of the warm earth.
of course, they say they'd leave should Azul start to bore them, but I don't think Azul would ever get boring, not with his witty intelect and shady schemes. Azul says he doesn't control the twins, which is absolutely true, but that doesn't mean they won't stay by his side. as they said themselves, they don't care about the money, as long as they're kept entertained.
naturally, the twins are closer, as they've been working together since their birth, only them against the cold and cruel sea. they always been odd ones as well, so that's why they clicked with Azul so well, but they're still different brands of weird.
hmm, I could see that! with the line of business Azul conducts, it might be dangerous to have weak points such as a soft spot for his two closest and most competent employees. not only that, but being openly friendly with people that are supposed to obey him, as their boss, could crack his intimidating untouchable image, thus making him seem weaker.
still, Azul isn't weaker, as he seems to be! he's actually stronger than the twins, as Floyd mentions on beans fest, so he's got strong magic, strong muscles and a strong brain. I think it'd be hard for anyone to harm him, unless they could get under his skin by attacking his more emotional side. Azul's got an amazing mask of indifference and faux confidence, but he's still very insecure about his past, which could be one way to get to him that would involve the twins.
I personally think that their refusal to be seen as friends might have come from old habits they carry from their home. as I see the Coral Sea, if it's anything like real sea life at all, it's a dog eat dog world, where everyone lives by themselves and protect their own. sea life can be very cruel, even to their own kind, so it would make sense for them not want to appear weak. it also is related to their own personalities, as they're not very open and emotional people, like Kalim for example, and they don't like showing their hand, prefering to keep their cards close to their chest.
their dynamic reflects that of Ursula and Flotsam and Jetsam very well! differently from other disney villains, who are cruel to their minions and oftentimes only put up with them for their own gain, Ursula genuinely likes the eels, as they are her beloved pets, not her servants. the eels are very cunning and like to create trouble, aiding Ursula in her evil schemes. when they are accidently killed by the end of the movie, Ursula gets furious, going on a rampage and attacking the ships. (see background part of the wiki!)
also, I really like this meme that sums up what you said really well lol
their relationship is very insteresting indeed! since they individually are already so fascinating, as part of a dynamic they have even more potential. a non traditional friendship like theirs is a nice break of stereotypes that TWST does once more!
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kg2hub · 4 years
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((okay. hmm. it's obvious i haven't been here a while so i may not have the whole story but i have a Few thoughts on this. wrote this right after i woke up so it Might not be coherent or explain everything the way i intended it to, so feel free to send in an ask for clarification. no promises i’ll answer it tho, because i kinda don’t want to get more involved in it than this.))
#i'll agree that shipping canon abusive relationships in a way that romanticizes it is bad#what i don't agree with is bullying and sending mean anons to each other about these things? havent seen all of them and#i haven't checked the dates but im sure this has been going on before last night. i reblogged that post for awareness; not as a signal to go#harass people over this on Both sides of the issue. which i Assume might happen simply bc i run such a big blog & more people have now seen#the post. and yeah lmao im disappointed in you if you take part that way. there are kinder ways to explain your point.#ones that don't involve hurting people's feelings about it. explaining Why something is wrong because sometimes people aren't Trying to be#bad people; they may just be misinformed and. yelling at them? isn't going to make them learn anything other than to fear backlash#rather than genuinely considering their actions and deciding on their own after gaining a more informed opinion; whether what they were#doing really is okay or not. we're in the kindergarten fandom. not an actual kindergarten; & personally i guess i'm not a fan of Anyone just#being rude to each other no matter who's in the wrong. no matter if the other person is purposely doing uncomfortable things or not; in no#situation is it necessary when you can just state your point and move on#i'm not defending the act of shipping that ship; everything there is to say about it has already been said to which i agree#just the way this information is said at some points makes me kind of. eh. :/#i don't jump into fandom drama usually but like. no one decides whether we deserve kindness or not based on our actions#there are ways to be firm without being rude abt it. and lookin at both sides there's ways to not be either guilt trippy Or insulting abt it#if they change their mind then great!! if they're still doing the problematic thing even though they aren't ignorant block em and move on#okay that's it im done here#we all do dumb shit and make mistakes. i've made huge mistakes and hurt others when i was 14 and i've grown up since then.#give others a chance to grow up too#oh and i'm applying what i said above to this kind of stuff in general. not specifically the actual situation that happened recently#|| Some Dumb College Kid || OOC.#tw; drama#tw; discourse
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gunsatthaphan · 2 years
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Hi Doreen, hope you're doing well and are not overworked (I've seen you write in some recent posts that you have a busy schedule lately). After having watched ep7 of bad buddy I have a couple things eating away at my mind that I need to share with someone, this time anonymously, not to be annoying:
1. This show has potential to become one of the most wholesome bl shows so far, that is, if they don't decide to throw in some cringey tropes like dumb miscommunication, evil exes plotting to get back together with one of the leads, infidelity, arranged marriage or sending one of the leads off far away (the list could continue forever). So far I feel like Pat and Pran try to communicate with each other to the best of their ability (for Pran, especially after they started the 'bet',cause while Pat was always rather straightforward, Pran tried to conceal his feelings in the beginning).
2. Even though Pat is this typical bubbly main character, by no means is he one-dimensional and, joke about it as much as I might, he is not a one-braincelled guy at all. The way Ohm portrays Pat's more pensive and introspective moods is so brilliant, it's a testament to his acting skills (but what's new here). Not only that, it's also thanks to the directing and scriptwriting.
3. As for episode 7, I really can't get over being furious at Wai for guilt-tripping Pran into taking over his responsibilities. This was such a shitty and toxic move, I was really taken aback. Kudos to Pran, the sweetest boy, for doing Wai this favor but I really think he should have tried harder to find a replacement.
4. Pa and Ink endgame? Will we have this one? They're so cute together. (if so, poor Wai, though I don't rwally sympathise with him right now lol. Also, how funny it is - him falling for the sister of his self-proclaimed archnemesis)
5. I've just realised that the next two Fridays fall on Christmas eve and new year's eve. Does anyone here know if I will get my weekly fix of serotonin? Or will I have to struggle for THREE weeks?
Really sorry for the long rant ^^'
Hope you're having a good day and enough rest!
hello there anon!!! <3
first of all thank you very much 🥺 I'm doing okay, just feeling stressed every now and then. But I'll be fine.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!!! I'm gonna try and not make this too long:
1. I also hope they won't throw in any unnecessary drama but the plot is pretty nicely structured so far (give or take) so I don't think they will. But then again that's what we thought about DSN and look where it got us lol. I'm pretty sure the main drama will revolve around the parents though and not some annoying girl or miscommunication. The girls are all very lovely so I don't think they'll introduce some random problematic bitch lol.
2. agreed! Pat definitely has more layers than meets the eye and I feel like Ohm deeply understands every single one of them. He could not be more perfect for the role. We stan. 🥺
3. honestly I’ve been seeing so many people loving & praising Wai but I kind of disagree. He definitely didn’t deserve all the bullying but as a character, he’s giving me nothing. The guilt-tripping was definitely not cool and I know he’s not aware of pat & pran yet but I don’t like how he’s unintentionally driving them apart djkfhd.
4. I have no idea..... We can only hope I guess. There were so many moments where I was convinced that they’re gonna put them together but then Wai came along and ruined it lmaoo. No but realistically speaking I don’t think it’s gonna happen. If anything it’s gonna be Wai x Pa. oh well.
5. aah omg you’re right!!!! I didn’t realize that. I remember last year they didn’t air anything on the 24th and 31st but idk about this year? I couldn’t find any announcements but I hope they will? How will I survive otherwise 😭
have a wonderful day as well anon! <3
xxx
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ofallthingsnasty · 2 years
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I feel like a "fun" yandere dynamic would be Rumi and Fathum
Rumi is the one to punish you. To slap you around when you act like a brat or try to escape. The one to fuck you senseless because that could be a reason your acting out. The one who has no problem sending you to bed without dinner or locking you in the basement for a day or so. The one who takes pleasure in harassing you. The one who isn't scared to reality check you and threaten to hurt you. The one who would aranage for people to fuck you up if you ever get out. She's the enforcer, the bully. Don't get her wrong, she loves you thoroughly but she has to make sure you know your place. At the end of the night she isn't going to stop you from cuddling her though, in fact she'll make you so long as your not being punished or cuddling fat gum.
And then there is fat gum, the one to come hold you after Rumi's done with you. The one who gently wipes away the tears with a soft thumb, telling you she only does it because you were a brat and no other reason, that she loves you dearly. The one who seeks you out in the day to remind you that they both love you and you can't ever leave them. The one who sits you on his lap and takes everything slow with you when you first are taken. The one who still sits you on his lap and hold you and explains things for you. The one who is slightly more emotionally manipulative and uses his tears against you at any given chance. The one who bathes you ever so gently after you fucked clueless by Rumi. The one who holds you to his chest when you get tired. He just loves you so much and if Rumi wants to be the bully, he has no problem being the hero and telling you everything is fine before sitting you on the counter and baking for you.
Aw omg anon this is so cute 🥺💖 You're right, it'd be dizzying. And goodness, thank you for the food!! I want Tai to be all soft and gentle with me while also reminding me that I'm being so, so bad and that's why Rumi has to hurt me 💖 Yes please baby me 💖💖
tw.yandere, established 'relationship'
That contrast between Rumi's cruelness and Taishiro being all soft and gentle with you... I think it'd be quite easy to forget that he's just as fucked up as Rumi is, that he wants to keep you just as much as she does. He respects your personal space - even asks for permission to hug you - always knows how to comfort you with a little quip and your favorite sweets and he actually listens to you. You actually feel better after you're done talking to him, even if it's only a little bit. How jarring it is for him to agree with Rumi, to gently chide you for your 'wrong-doings' - especially when you just told him all about your feelings, how Rumi's presence and treatment can be so stifling and terrible. What a betrayal...
And how you'd dread Rumi's moods with time - how you'd try your best to be good for her so you don't have to suffer through her punishments anymore because they're so cruel and unjust. Taishiro's words are always at the back of your mind (that if you behave, that if you just do as she says, she won't be like this anymore-) and when she's in front of you - you fold like a wet paper bag, much to her delight.
Also, I don't necessarily see Taishiro and Rumi as kidnappers (separately, like each one on their own) - both for different reasons - but in this dynamic? Probably the 'best' way for them to have a go at this. You'd probably be broken in in no time with their 'good cop bad cop' spiel, that'd make anyone confused.
And Fatgum using his tears against you? 🤧 That's so fucking mean, I can't. I'd probably cry along with him in that moment ahsjs - all in all a super interesting thought, I'd love to come back to this in the future!
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taeslovehandles · 3 years
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I never meant to target you and I'm sorry you felt that way. You properly tag everything and adhere to the "don't like, don't read" rule. I don't follow you nor you follow, because we simply don't vibe together and that's okay.
But there are posts that are on the more "innocent" side that do represent fat people as a joke and it's like they don't even realize it because it's something so well ingrained in our fatphobic society.
For example, all the characters are having fun except the fat one or referring to someone as "twice his size" (like... If they want to say he's huge, they should just say it, not imply that there's a "right size" for someone to be).
I don't think authors should censor themselves, just acknowledge the role they play in how fat characters are perceived by the community they write for.
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First of all, since you obviously haven’t blocked me, you could have come to me via direct message. This is not a topic that needs to be brought out into the public eye even more than it already is. I have worked with anons before, I would have been the last person to reveal who you are. You could have made a trash account to message me in dm’s, but since you didn’t, I will reply to you here.
I want to make one thing clear. This will be my last response on the topic. If you do not like me as a member of the community please use the block button and filter me out, because I will stay. I have many friends here, and know that many people enjoy my content. Just because a small handful of people don’t appreciate dark themes in fiction, the contents of which they can easily protect themselves from, won’t make me falter.
Now, I want to debunk this ask because your ‘apology’ actually made me very upset.
I know you don’t mean it when you say you are sorry because you’re backpedaling on what you’ve told your friends and it really rubs me the wrong way. You could have owned up to your mistakes and apologized sincerely like others had but you continue to play victim and excuse your behaviour with tales of your own trauma, projecting your own insecurities onto my blog and thus hating me.
I know for a fact that you despise my blog, especially my writing, because you do not like how “obviously skinny people write about weight gain.”
Honey.
I couldn’t be any further from skinny.
I don’t mind sharing my actual weight, which has actually gotten worse due to COVID. I weigh 490lbs. I am morbidly obese. I have always been morbidly obese. For you to come and be “nitpicky” about a genre you don’t even enjoy? Why are you even reading my fics then?
The way I write about obese people, their struggles with literally everything… that comes from real life experience. I write this to share embarrassing and exhausting daily life tasks I personally struggle with.
A skinny person would never write some of the stuff I do, because they simply don’t know. They don’t know how scary it is to hear the line “we are going to a restaurant.” They don’t know how scary it is to go into that new restaurant, scan the chairs and think “Shit, am I gonna fit? Is the chair gonna creak? Is there enough space for the next table? What if I won’t fit?” A thin person doesn’t have to think this way.
And, let me tell you something else. Yes, I agree. The world is fatphobic.
In one of my recent posts I talked about movies and shows where they make fun of fat people because I hate it. Because it is REAL LIFE. And I am all for the body positivity movement and I do believe that all bodies are beautiful, because they are.
You do not know me personally.
And that leads to my next point. If you personally have issues with the phrase “twice my size”, then that is on you. And guess what? I cannot count how often I’ve heard lines like that my whole life.
“Oh wow two people would fit in one of your pant legs.”
“Wow, you are so fat, I could use your pants as a tent.”
So trust me, I know. I KNOW. But anon, this is the important part for me. Everyone processes trauma differently.
Inked ch3? Or literally any story I have written with a fat character being forced, insulted and talked down to like they’re dumb? That’s what I have been living with my entire life. Most of these stories, some obviously more extreme than how I had experienced them since it’s fiction, have been recordings of trauma I have went through.
My own dad force fed me. Forced me to eat food and gain weight. My first boyfriend was a feeder that manipulated me into gaining more weight and took measurements. Called me pig names and abused me. Hit me, manipulated me into having s** with him and then let all of his fantasies out on me.
I don’t make this shit up. I hate my brain for being so twisted now, that I actually find it hot and arousing. It’s weird. I know, but that’s how it is.
I’ve also never had friends in school. Not even kindergarten. Why? Because my “fat incased body could spread like a virus.” I was being bullied like JK was in Pondus.
I had hot water thrown at me, got glue put on my seats and hair, had my hair ripped out and even got a cigarette burn mark on my arm. Just because I was fat. Just because of how my body was shaped.
I was strangled and locked into a small locker for a night. I was almost killed for running away from my abusive dad from his car and had to listen to things like, “You are going to die when you are 30. No one will ever love you and your body.” That I have trust issues now and am paranoid about everything and everyone.
Those dark stories. I use those dark stories to try to work through my trauma. And yes, it may be absurd to you. It may disgust you, what I write. But sadly, most of it? Most of it really happened to me. To me and other people I’ve talked to as a friend or seen online. Most of what I write will be dark because the human species is made up of terrible creatures.
Fatphobia is an important topic, and I am happy the media has been slowly getting better about it, that people accept us more. But my writing is how I work with my trauma. If I can make fictional characters feel the same things I had to feel, that makes me feel better.
And I’m not hurting anyone with it. So how is it wrong?
I do not support any of this behaviour in real life. I never bullied anyone, I always try to speak up for my friends and tell people if they are being assholes. Because I hate them too and it makes me angry when good people get shit when they do nothing but breathe.
And how @pudgecuddles already said. I don't need you to advocate for body positivity and all that shit when you go out of your way to bully someone that may have experienced the same shit you have. I do not know you or what you went through in your life, but I am sorry. I’m sorry you feel like my stories aren’t okay to write, but this is how I work on my trauma and I need you to respect that.
I’ve said this before. We don’t have to be friends, or even talk to each other.
Just be neutral.
Block me. Filter me out. Pretend I don't exist. But, whatever you do, don’t make posts that call me out while making it obvious you’re talking about me, with the cover that you are advocating against fatphobia. That’s got a name. Cyber-bullying.
Have you hurt me with those posts? Yes you have, but I’ve never wanted bad blood. As you may have noticed, it wasn’t me that made a post. It was my good friend. Because I told her how exhausting it was and she knew about the posts back then.
I have a good idea of who you are.
I remember you.
But I kept my mouth shut. Because this community is my home and the last thing I wanted was for the people who like both of our types of content to feel like they have to choose sides.
In the end, we all rub one out to fat gay boys in a band. No user is better than the rest, and if there are topics you do not enjoy, there is a button for it. No need to drag everyone into it with posts. It’s exhausting and irritating.
Now, I do not accept your apology because you lied to me and I also do not feel like you meant it sincerely knowing what I know now after reading some dm’s. But I also won’t sit here and start shit.
This is my last post about this.
Please block me and enjoy the content you do like.
Nonetheless, I hope you have a nice day and a lovely weekend. Whatever you are experiencing or going through, I hope it gets better. Because even if you hate me personally for creating content you do not support, I’d say that I am a really friendly and nice person.
I do not believe that anyone deserves to be bullied like that and talked down in official posts. It happened before with a friend of mine and you probably remember that I did speak up about it.... But apparently no one learned from it. I really hope this time you do.
Insult me and shit talk me all you want in dm’s, but don’t do it publicly. No one deserves that kind of hate or passive aggressiveness. No one. Since you sound like someone that went through a lot of shit too, you should know better. You should know how it feels to be bullied and what damage it can cause.
I’m already depressed enough and I have bad lows. Let me write my erotica and just enjoy it? That’s all I want? I am a part of this community just like you were. You leaving because you did not like my content, is not my problem. If you cannot block me or ignore it and go so far as to read them and then rant about them negatively, what do you want me to do? I won’t leave the scene just because you don’t like me.
So, you either trash talk me in dm’s from now on so that I do not see it, or you block me. The latter of which would be the more mature thing to do. The more humane thing to do. Because talking behind someone’s back is just as bad.
Again, I don’t know why you felt like it was necessary to send me an ask with lies in it when I got screenshot proof of something else you have said/issues with, so don’t backpedal on me. I know Hun. I know already.
At least stick to what you said and actually apologize or, if you can’t, just block me.
But this ask? This ask just upset me.
Have a nice day.
p.s: The fact that this even needs to be talked about is so absurd and ridiculous to me. The whole thing is a petty party in my eyes that isn't even worth anyone's time? Do people on here really not have any other issues right now or am I in the wrong movie?
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I suppose I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Sansa to be considerate of Jon's feelings because Sansa fans certainly expect Jon to be considerate of hers. There's been extensive talk about how mean it was of him to joke "don't tell Sansa" and how the whole family including Jon made her feel lonely and left out just because they didn't share her interests. He also gets loads of criticism for disagreeing with her about anything. And I don't see how it's unreasonable to expect family members
to just be considerate of each other, which includes Sansa being considerate of Jon's feelings and vice versa.
This is the last message I'll send since I'm sure I'm not your favourite person, but it is really something to see a Sansa fan say "Why should she have to prioritize someone else's feelings?" when they themselves frequently expect numerous other characters to prioritize and be considerate of Sansa's feelings at all times, regardless of the situation, and criticize them harshly when they don't.
This was a follow-up to this ask, and I apologize for the delay. My first week back was a little chaotic. 
Hi anon!
Sansa is not inconsiderate of Jon’s feelings. Talking to her sister about the true fact that Jon - whose insult about the crown prince of the Seven Kingdoms Arya just brought up in polite company - is a bastard and likely jealous of said crown prince, is not inconsiderate of Jon’s feelings. She doesn’t bring it up out of where to shame him. She is reacting to Arya sharing his insult. Putting it into context. The conversation is not WITH Jon. It is with Arya. Nor is she being cruel or dismissive or haughty or a bully or whatever. Look at the actual text.
“Jon says he looks like a girl,” Arya said. Sansa sighed as she stitched. “Poor Jon,” she said. “He gets jealous because he’s a bastard.” “He’s our brother,” Arya said, much too loudly. Her voice cut through the afternoon quiet of the tower room. Septa Mordane raised her eyes. She had a bony face, sharp eyes, and a thin lipless mouth made for frowning. It was frowning now. “What are you talking about, children?” “Our half brother,” Sansa corrected, soft and precise. She smiled for the septa. “Arya and I were remarking on how pleased we were to have the princess with us today,” she said. (AGOT, Arya I)
She sighs. She expresses compassion. “Poor Jon.” Soft and precise. 
Sansa is reminding Arya of the truth of their status differences. Which make Jon’s remarks pretty damn insolent if made public. Sansa is putting them into context for her little sister. Arya takes offense, because she prefers to ignore that reality. It is easy for her because she is the one with the privilege. Jon is not. Or at least not the kind of privilege trueborn nobles have. Arya and he commiserate about not getting what they want, which is completely justified, but Arya has a LOT more freedom to break the rules than Jon does. Sansa is aware of that fact because she is more well-adapted to their status-driven society in general. That is not a bad thing, because that IS their society.
And while Arya is offended that Sansa would make the distinction of half-brother, that doesn’t make it wrong or offensive in and of itself. Sansa acknowledging reality is not an insult, and not inconsiderate of Jon’s feelings. Reality is inconsiderate of Jon’s feelings.  
I have made no mention of it being “mean” that he says “Don’t tell Sansa”. That is not my personal opinion. 
(I don’t think it is mean-spirited, I think it’s mainly for Arya’s benefit, it is simply realistic advice for her if she wants to keep Needle, and he really should have told her the same thing about his remark on Joffrey. Arya likes to share, apparently. I also think it’s specifically there to foreshadow how keeping people in the dark is a theme. Ned doesn’t communicate with Sansa - bad results. Doran doesn’t communicate with Arianne - bad results. Jon or Arya will likely fall into the same trap again - with bad results.)
I am confused how Jon can get a lot of criticism for disagreeing with Sansa about anything when we have never seen them interact enough to disagree. We know of one interaction from Jon’s memory: her advice about calling a lady’s name pretty. And he seems to agree. That’s it. If you are talking about the show, then this is the wrong blog. I am all about the books. 
Who are we expecting to prioritize Sansa’s feelings? If you are talking about her numerous abusers, who do a lot more than “not prioritize her feelings”, then… well, yeah. I kinda feel entitled to criticize would-be rapists or people who conspire to murder her family or force her into marriage or such things. Do I think Ned should have made SOME EFFORT to address Sansa’s feelings at any point? Yes. That would have been tremendously helpful in a very traumatizing situation. Other than that, you’ll have to take it up with the people who voiced that criticism.
So, that’d be my opinion on the subject.
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Hey, I'd like to ask for your help. As an Ezria fan, I most likely don't see all the things that are wrong with the relationship. Do you remember certain scenes or something that has happened, where he clearly is in the wrong as an adult/teacher etc.? Like of course starting off with being with his student, that is using his position wrongly. Then was the whole creepy cabin thing and all the things he said there. Anything else that sticks to your mind? Thanks a ton x
Hey Ezria Anon! 
First and foremost, I want to apologize for taking so long to answer this. I felt like shit for the best few days, but I am finally feeling well enough to answer this question efficiently and effectively. I will be happy to answer your question and address your concerns to the best of my ability.
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Let me begin by saying that Ezra Fitz is not a likable character, nor is he a redeemable on. He is, in every sense of the word, a predator. Before we knew about Ezra’s book, we thought him to just be your regular high school English teacher.
…Who preys on underage girls. When he found out about Aria not only being his STUDENT, but SIXTEEN-YEARS-OLD, he still pursued their relationship. Mind you, this was before we found out everything about him.
I never liked Ezria in the first place. Their relationship just seemed ‘icky’ to me, in a sense. It felt off and the vibe was just wrong. However, when S4 ended and the ball was dropped, that was when I completely lost any sort of ‘respect’ for Ezra, and let me tell you I barely had any to begin with.
Ezra was obsessed with Alison, another underage girl. He called her his own “Holly Golightly,” and people really don’t see anything wrong with this? He was messing around with an underage girl. Yes, he “broke things off” when he found out her actual age, but still. His relationship with her was completely inappropriate.
And then Perv Man becomes obsessed with this girl. So obsessed in fact, that when she goes missing he thinks “Gee Golly, this sure makes for an interesting story!” 
So, what does Humbert Humbert’s protégé do? He deliberately seeks out Aria, seduces her in a fucking bathroom in a dingy bar, and from then on, starts a whirlwind of seduction, abuse of power, and stalks a sixteen-year-old girl and her friends for years. And why?
For a goddamn book. 
That was his reasoning. He stalked a group of teenage girls because he was obsessed with the disappearance of another teenage girl, with whom he once had a fling. 
Let’s reiterate:
 Ezra has an unhealthy obsession with underage girls
He used his power of authority over Aria
He literally stalked a teenage girl and her friends for years
He did so for the sake of ‘his book.’
Not to mention the fact that Ezra is shady as fuck. He is violent, ill-tempered and uses his charm to weasel his way out of trouble. He is VERY good at manipulation. In layman’s terms, Ezra Fitz displays classic qualities of a sociopath.
Sociopaths, or those with Antisocial Personality Disorder often have the following characteristics:
Sociopaths are exceedingly charming; these individuals are intelligent, smooth-talkers, flattering, and very good actors.
Sociopaths are extremely manipulative. This is one of their most practiced, honed skills. These individuals rely on their ability to talk their way out of anything. They are articulate, and they know exactly what you want to hear. They thrive on gaining the support of others through playing the victim. 
Sociopaths are pathological liars. They are deceptive, dishonest and lie through their teeth. They are very good at pretending to be genuinely interested in what you have to say and know the right questions to ask, to show that they care. It’s obvious that Ezra is a pathological liar, since he was using Aria from the very first episode for his own personal gain.
Sociopaths have an over-inflated ego. Ezra’s callousness and sense of self-worth is so distorted that he sincerely believes he can’t be touched.
So, how do the writers redeem his character? By having him get shot. That’s it. That is his redemption. 
“Oh, let’s have him get shot to protect the girls, that’ll show ‘em he really loves Aria!”
 It’s fucking bullshit. 
He cannot be redeemed. Ever. Besides being shot, he never faces any negative consequences. He is never held responsible for his predatory behavior, or his abuse of power over minors. 
And why? Well, that’s easy. I. Marlene King truly believes that all of what he has done can be forgiven, simply because he fell in love with his victim. 
Yes, Aria Montgomery is his victim. 
I don’t give a flying fuck if “fell in love with her,” because what he did is legally and morally reprehensible. 
Furthermore, he shows a complete lack of remorse for what he did. He is very good at faking empathy. He got caught, so he turns on the charm. The ol’ “woe is me” spiel. 
In 7B, when he found out Aria had filled out the report but didn’t actually file it, he immediately agrees with Aria. He does this because he knows he can convince her not to file the report. She still could have, and he still would have had his ass busted. But he doesn’t. He smooth-talks his way into Aria’s good graces again, pretending to “see the error of his ways.” 
What’s more is that there are young, impressionable girls out there who believe Ezra and Aria are made for each other; that their story and struggles is one of true love. Which, again, is fucking bullshit. Ezra never faced consequences for anything. Young girls want their own “Ezra Fitz,” because the show depicted their relationship as romantic. It is not romantic. It never was romantic.
It was an adult male taking full advantage of a sixteen-year-old girl.
I can guarantee you that one of the only reasons this fucking train wreck of a ‘ship’ was so beloved and popular is because Ian Harding is hot. And he is. He is very attractive. If he weren’t as attractive and didn’t have the cookie-cutter appearance of the “dreamy heartthrob,” then many people would not accept their relationship.
Since the show has ended (and even before) Ian Harding has stated that Ezra should have been in jail. He agreed that their relationship was wrong.
Troian Bellisario was (and is) very vocal about her dislike of Ezria.
Lucy Hale disapproves of Ezria. In the Afterwrap Party following the end of the last episode, Lucy stated “I would not made the same choices as Aria had.”
When three of your main cast members are vehemently against one of the main ships of your show because of the message it sends and what it portrays, then you really need to reevaluate your views on reality.
Don’t get me wrong. I love Pretty Little Liars, and I always will, despite what a shit-fest it turned into. But that doesn’t mean the writers (I’m looking at you, Marlene King) are without fault for their portrayal of this relationship and Ezra’s lack of consequences.
It’s funny that the show was meant to teach us about friendship, bullying, being true to who you are, etc. But really it taught us that the monsters are often those closest to us. 
In fact, let’s just say that the true villain and monster in the show was the guy obsessed with Scotch and pie.
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what do you think about people fetishing incest? or romanticizing incest to the point that they have ship tags for it? is it still a ' healthy coping skills ' for trauma? since you're a child therapist i was just wondering because i honestly, don't think it's a healthy coping skill at that point.
Hey there! So I’m really hesitant about even replying tothis because the dash has seemed to die down on the subject and I don’t want tohedge things up again. However, you asked me in a polite way and stated youropinion without attacking and I thought this would be an appropriate time toeducate others. After this, though, I won’t respond to any more anons on thesubject – though if anyone wants to talk more, please IM me or message meoff-anon and I’d be glad to discuss further with you.
I’m going to try to answer each of your questions in orderand then add my own educational two cents. Bear with me, it got really long. I’m going to put it under a read more because it has some triggering content and because of length.
What do you think about people fetishing incest? I don’t think fetishing it is okay. However, Idon’t really see that happening here at all. None of the people on my dash haveever talked about how it’s a good andhealthy ship. Because it’s not. I think if you feel as though they are, it’san assumption you’re making. Or maybe they’re not explaining themselvescorrectly on the dash. Because, believe me, I talked to every single one ofthem the other day and no one tried to defend it or say it was “right.” Theywere simply interested in exploring something toxic.
or romanticizing incest to the point that theyhave ship tags for it? Again, I don’t believe they’re romanticizing it. And, when people do,that’s when it gets to the point of not okay. It’s fine to explore toxic shipswhen you know they’re toxic/unhealthy. As far as ship tags go – at that point,I think you’re just looking for an excuse to point at them and shame. Peoplehave tags for all sorts of things – dad/son, friendships, enemies, toxic ships.Just because someone has a tag doesn’t mean they’re automaticallyromanticizing.
is it still a ’ healthy coping skills ’ fortrauma? since you’re a child therapist i was just wondering because ihonestly, don’t think it’s a healthy coping skill at that point. What’s healthy for me might not be the same assomeone else. Let me give you an example – kids who struggle with angersometimes can take a nap, calm down, and come back to the situation. Sleepingdoesn’t always work with people with depression because it might turn intosleeping all the time and notsocializing/living your life. So, yes, it can still be a healthy coping skill. Butif it turns into an obsession or the onlyway they’re dealing – maybe not so much anymore. Let me also say thateveryone who writes the ship may not bedealing with past trauma at all. They might just want to explore something theywouldn’t do in real life. Might want to explore something toxic. And that’sokay too.
Just because someonewrites incest doesn’t mean they wanna fuck their brother/sister.
Again, I don’t doblakecest and never will. The reason: there is no plotline that doesn’t make Bellamy an abuser. Because,if he’s sleeping with Octavia or touching her or sexualizing her… he’s being an abuser. Especially on theArk when O knows no one but him andAurora. But the people who do writeit out seem to know that. Remember, though, if you’re reading their threads andOctavia doesn’t see him as an abuser…that doesn’t mean the writer agrees. Because oftentimes, when people aremolested, they don’t see that person in the same way as you or I. And if you’rereading the smut, everything is going to seem romanticized when someone ismoaning someone else’s name. But what characters do and think do not equate towhat writers do and think. And, if you’re reading their threads with the intentto shame them or publicly bully them, I’d stop to reconsider how you want to beremembered.
Those are the answersto your questions, so onto some other things I wanted to point out. Pleasemessage me again, off anon, if I didn’t quite answer what you were looking forfully.
On the subject ofwriting these things on tumblr versus,say, skype or discord… I personally don’t think people should be censored likethat. Though I get what you’re saying and your opinion is still valid and understood. The reason behind my opinion – because these things are not discussed in publicenough as it is, which is why it’s often kept a “secret.” If we can’t open adialogue to the things that make us uncomfortable – i.e. abuse, rape, incest,suicide – then how are we supposed to educate? One of the reasons people don’tcome forward about these things when it happens to them is because they’reworried about being shamed. And shaming often comes with both silence (therefusal to talk honestly and openly about things that make us uncomfortable)and lack of education (viewing these uncomfortable things in an untruthful waybecause we don’t talk about it).
In order to keepothers safe so it doesn’t trigger them, we tag our things. Let me statesomething I say to all my clients – itis not the world’s job to cater to your needs; it’s your job to learn when youneed to protect yourself and how. For instance, I can’t expect my friendsnot to watch a tv show or discuss a topic or say a word because I might betriggered. What I can do is protectmyself from those triggers – use coping skills, walk away when it gets to betoo much, talk to someone. That’s how you build resiliency. Let me give you apersonal example – I hate bees. Literally terrified of them. They’re not atrigger; just a squick. Because atrigger is something that will send you into a symptom of your mental healthissue. So, if I saw a bee and had a panic attack or a flashback or spiraledinto depression? Yeah, that would be a trigger. But I don’t – I just getworried and my heart races and I freeze up. Am I never going boating orcamping, two of my favorite things in the world, just because I might see a bee? No, I just learn to controlmyself and step away from the bee (and often hide behind my fiancé). I’ve builtresiliency.
Let me state that again:  a trigger is something that will send you into a symptom of your mental health issue. One of the things this website has done is overstate that word to the point where everything is a trigger, which loses it’s seriousness and meaning when things are actually a trigger.
Resiliency is what youneed to cope in life. So if incest triggers you – which I can seriously see whyit would for some people – it’s your job toprotect yourself. Unfollow, block, talk to the person respectfully. All thingsyou can do to build resiliency moving forward. Because your triggers will comeup at some point in your life – a joke cracked at work, something on tv, etcetc – and it’s up to you to be prepared for it. Because the world will not beprepared for you.
In the end, how can weeducate on something if it’s considered taboo? We can’t even begin to showpeople that it’s unhealthy if we’re forbidden to talk about it.
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