#water margin

[grand-theft-carbohydrates]

the absurdity of the plot of the Chinese Classic is in inverse proportion to how boring the title is.

-magical monkey takes a monk to india to pick up his library books, fighting demons along the way : Journey to the West - 108 demons reincarnated as bandits find brotherhood and redemption through the power of Extraordinary Violence: The Water Margin

-fanfic author writes a historical RPF that becomes so popular it ruins a politician's reputation for the next 700 years: Romance of the Three Kingdoms

-at this point the fandom is cooler than the actual canon, i need at least two more degrees to explain what the plot is: Dream of the Red Chamber

#chinese classics #san guo #jttw #water margin #dream of the red chamber #i have not read dream of the red chamber and at this point i'm afraid to ask

[lionofchaeronea]

Lei Heng, the "Winged Tiger," Kuniyoshi, between 1845 and 1850

#art #art history #Asian art #Japan #Japanese art #East Asia #East Asian art #ukiyo-e #woodblock print #Kuniyoshi #Utagawa Kuniyoshi #Utagawa School #illustration #Chinese literature #Water Margin #Edo period #19th century art

[darkfalcon-z]

by all account Jin Guanyao did some pretty deplorable things, but if you compare him to the heroes from classic Chinese literature, like of Song Jiang (from Water Margin) he comes off as pretty nice, reasonable guy - see Song Jiang's modus operandi is framing people for crimes (he has his guys commit those crimes, including child murder and mass slaughter), often getting the families of whoever he wants wants to join him killed (executed by authorities) or at least losing their homes. And yet everyone is like "yeah, Song Jiang, the Timely Rain, now that I have nowhere to go I'll join you, let me suck your dick" (as opposed to all the time people captured and almost killed him before they learned who he is and went "why didn't you say you are Song Jiang the Timely Rain, we've almost eaten you, let us suck your dick" - drugging people and using their meat as a filling for buns to sell to and drug more people is surprising common business model in Water Margin). So if Song Jiang gets to be a hero, why can't Jin Guangyao fans make him into one (without changing his character).

On the other hand how would Jin Guangyao measure up if Song Jiang was his opponent?

#mo dao zu shi #water margin #jin guangyao #song jiang #mdzs #outlaws of the marsh

[journeytothewestresearch]

I wanted to ask, is it quite likely that Sun Wukong killed heavenly soldiers or is it more pure speculation? I sent this ask before, but my old account is having problems with the messages and asks I send. If not, then I hope my question doesn't come across as me being impatient.

To my knowledge, the novel doesn't mention Monkey killing any gods, only demons, spirits, animals, and humans. Any divine figures, be they deities-turned-spirits or holy mounts, are usually reintegrated into the celestial hierarchy and not killed. Also, I don't recall the novel describing Wukong fighting the regular rank-and-file soldiers. The 100,000 soldiers mainly man the heavenly nets creating the cordon around Flower-Fruit Mountain. Monkey only fights high-ranking officers. It's like that in a lot of Chinese fiction. A common trope in Romance of the Three Kingdoms (c. 14th-century) and the Water Margin (c. 1400) is that the appearance, scream, and/or fighting ability of a great warrior is enough to hold hundreds or even thousands of foot soldiers at bay while he battles an opposing officer.

But realistically speaking, the Great Sage would have mowed through the regular soldiers like a sith lord through younglings.

#Sun Wukong #Monkey King #Journey to the West #JTTW #warfare #heavenly combat #Romance of the Three Kingdoms #Water Margin #Shuihu zhuan #Sanguo yanyi #Xiyouji #Lego Monkie Kid #LMK

[digitalagepulao]

Sweeney Todd?? In my Chinese classical novel??

#oedipal god liveread #water margin

[nemainofthewater]

Best character surnamed: Song

Come and vote for the best characters with the same surname!*

What does best mean? It's up to you! Whether you love them, are intrigued by their characters, love to hate them, or they're your '2 second blorbos whose personality you made up wholesale', these are all reasons for you to vote for your favs!

*note, the surnames are not exactly the same in all the cases, as often there will be a different character. I am, however, grouping them all together otherwise things got more complicated.

Propaganda is very welcome! If I’ve forgotten anyone, let me know in the notes.

This is part of a larger series of ‘best character with X surname’ polls’. The overview with ongoing polls, winners, and future polls can be found here

#poll #the untamed #dumb husky and his white cat shizun #nirvana in fire 2: the wind blows in changlin #new life begins #mistakenly saving the villain #water margin #ripe town #fireworks of my heart

[quitealotofsodapop]

So... nor to bust the bubble, but the Black Bull Demkn may not be PIF's. There's a small section in the original boon where DBK actually cheats on his wife and leaves her for another woman. It's actually kind of pathetic how PIF spiraled after that since she'd presumably just lost her son, too. I know they definitely are still together in the aus and shoe, but there is one Canon instance that may have resulted in an illegitimate calf

I assume you mean the situation in Journey to the West were DBK and PIF briefly separated cus DBK decided to take Princess Jade Face as a lover for her inheritance? Thats regular Tang-era marriage problems (multiple wives were considered socially ok).

Yeah in the canon book verse its kinda bad timing on the Bull's part.

In the LMK verse however, these two are madly devoted to one another no matter what. I feel like if Jade Face ever appeared, her character would be altered to reflect that - either as a mututal bestie who got mislabled as DBK's lover overtime or as someone in a polycule situation with them.

The Black Whirlwind/Iron Ox is also one of the *human* characters in Water Margin. Those are just nicknames despite the odd concidence.

Black Boy (who've I've named "Huoshan") in "Later Journey to the West" is canonically PIF and DBK's second born son - having taken more after his mom in powers, but his dad in appearance.

#journey the west #water margin #later journey to the west #lmk ironbull #princess iron fan #lmk pif #lmk princess iron fan #demon bull king #lmk dbk #lmk demon bull king

[ladyzerodark]

Yessssssssssss I cannot wait to start reading.

#things dark does #water margin #romance of the three kingdoms

[artistmitchy]

THE WATER MARGIN

#Suikoden #The Water Margin #Water Margin #水浒传 #Shi Jin #Mitsuteru Yokoyama #横山光輝 #Vintage manga #My art

[cyborg-squid]

I just finished listening to the Water Margin podcast...

... and something that really struck me about the ending, after all the campaigns are said and done, is how similar it feels to the ending of Romance of the Three Kingdoms in tone. Both are these large scale grand stories with tons of characters (WM more than RoT3K) and battles, but their endings are so... sobering and basically end with the 'enemies' winning.

RoT3K, Cao Cao wins, seizing control of the Han while maintaining that he is still a loyal servant of the Han court, while his descendants form the Wei dynasty (which the novel does point out ends similarly to how Cao Cao usurped the Han), while the novel's heroes and main characters die unceremoniously.

Water Margin, fully two thirds of the 108 heroes die on their final campaign (after having lost none in their prior two), and many of those that survive either A) leave of their own volition before shit hits the fan, sometimes following their Buddhist or Daoist tenets or just sensing which way the winds are blowing in court, or B) are killed by the scheming officials in court, who have been against them since the literal beginning of the novel and never receive any sort of comeuppance or even consequences.

And while at first glance, both those final events in the novels might suck, honor and loyalty going unrewarded in life, it also feels very... realistic, especially with RoT3K, which has a stronger historical basis than WM. Sometimes the heroes don't win, sometimes your strongest warrior doesn't go out in battle but is simply executed, sometimes your best thief and infiltrator dies appendicitis, and only if you're lucky and humble are you able to escape the schemes of the court with your skin intact. The 'good' guys, your Guan Yu's and Song Jiang's and Lu Junyi's and Liu Bei's, they are remembered fondly and are vindicated by history, rightfully revered in history and pop culture, but that only happens after their deaths.

And that's just so interesting and is a large part of what makes these novels so appealing to me! Especially all the different ways you can read Song Jiang and the morality of the 108 as a whole, guys who are portrayed as the unambiguous good guys in the novel, but who still do things like kill civilians and go on rampages and cover up their own unjustified murders and, in the case of the multiple black tavern operators Liangshan has on staff, kill and eat people. And you ask, are these really the good guys, and then you step back and look at how else these novels can be read, how Song Jiang's devotion to loyalty and honor and "delivering justice on heaven's behalf" and earning an amnesty for the heroes, how that can also be seen as what ultimately led to their downfall, his devotion to a dynasty that couldn't give two shits about them and is largely responsible for the events that led them to banditry...

They weren't kidding, those Four Great Masterpieces really do be great masterpieces

#water margin #romance of the three kingdoms #rot3k #my posts

[reignsan]

Assassin Huyan Zhuo and Rider Huang Feihu

Assassin is part of the 108 outlaws from The Water Margin, so she’s Yan Qing’s friend. Rider is from The Investiture of the Gods, the same story as Taigong Wang.

#fate grand order #huyan zhuo #huang feihu #water margin #investiture of the gods

[rivvyelf]

7/27/23 "Chapter 1" Update

Total words in chapter: 6191

Total words written today: 1216

Excerpt:

That didn't stop those 'living trees' from tearing everything apart, though. Wang Jin lost two friends to one of those monsters... Just thinking about it made her want to chop a tree down. They had to burn down the entire forest; tree roots spread far, after all. Now Wang Jin understood that if humans were used like wood and replaced with new humans, it would piss her off. So she understood that particular tree's anger. She didn't care though if that tree knew that its remains were still defiled by Wang Jin as target practice. She'd burn that living tree 10 times over again for what it did to her friends! Screw that stupid piece of wood! Why couldn't the One Above create tree shepherds or something to make those overgrown plants understand that humans had a need for wood.

Brownie points if you can guess where the crossover with Tolkien is in there :D .

Hehe, we're getting closer to that 10k word mark again. So far, what I wrote today was both detailing the recovery process for a character while world-building what corvee labor was like for the villagers, which counts as world-building.

I like writing these daily updates. It also is something I can look back on when I reflect on how I wrote this fanfic. Wish I did it earlier. Speaking of that, @brasideios recently wrote a well-written reflection on keeping a writing log that's certainly worth reading. Forgot to mention that yesterday. Hopefully, I can keep it up. I just wish I didn't need a VPN for my stay in China.

#fanfiction #outlaws of the inland sea #water margin #crossover #chapter update #jrr tolkien #ents #silmarillion #wood please

[simonm223]

Adaptation and the Powers of the False: A Review of The Water Outlaws by S. L. Huang

(I try to avoid “spoiler warnings” but, as a courtesy, since this book is not yet published I will note that my approach to review will include discussion of plot elements including from the end of the book. Please consider yourself forewarned.) This book kind of drove me crazy. The Water Outlaws is an upcoming 2023 novel written by S.L. Huang and published by Tordotcom. It is a loose…

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#deleuze #S.L. Huang #SL Huang #The Water Outlaws #Water Margin #Water Outlaws

[grand-theft-carbohydrates]

Absolutely obsessed with the Water Margin theme song. The voice breaks on the high notes, the call and response + ‘hey yas’ you hear in work songs, the simple marching beat, the use of trad instruments.

#shui hu #water margin #i like to imagine lui bang singing this with all his convict labourer buddies as backup

[vivienna-vivid]

Favorite of the 108 Stars of Destiny?

HOW did tumblr not notify me of my brother in arms' message? Death to this Hellsite. Sun Erniang, easy-peasy. I love all the important stars but this cannibal inn keeper has me by the choke hold. They hate her for her girly whimsy. And the atrocities and lack of impulse control.

#oddnub-eye #vivien answers #im also deeply in love with the living disaster li kui and Zhuge Kongming Jr wu yong. Gongming's boyfriends.... #water margin

[nemainofthewater]

Best character surnamed: Chao

Come and vote for the best characters with the same surname!*

What does best mean? It's up to you! Whether you love them, are intrigued by their characters, love to hate them, or they're your '2 second blorbos whose personality you made up wholesale', these are all reasons for you to vote for your favs!

*note, the surnames are not exactly the same in all the cases, as often there will be a different character. I am, however, grouping them all together otherwise things got more complicated.

Propaganda is very welcome! If I’ve forgotten anyone, let me know in the notes.

This is part of a larger series of ‘best character with X surname’ polls’. The overview with ongoing polls, winners, and future polls can be found here

#poll #water margin #world of cultivation #couple of mirrors