#tua negativity

[bisexuallilapitts]

I'm not feeling well and ranting about Tua S2 is my default so I thought I'd put some thought into what I'd change about the storylines for my own (personal) entertainment

Disclaimer I am not a writer, I just have opinions and this got way longer than I anticipated (especially the Viktor bit) so it's all under read more

Luther - I actually don't mind Luther's storyline too much, or what little he had going on anyway - it does make sense that he'd seek out another figure to fill the hole that his distrust in Reginald created, it makes sense that he is once again being used by that figure for their own gain, and it makes sense that he finally sticks it to Reginald in 2x06 - I just wish there was more of that and less of whatever the fuck they were doing with him and Allison (can they not just be friends please god) - I feel like expanding on his parental figure issues also just fits great with S3 and his confrontation with Reggie - and trying to trust someone who has betrayed him only to be stabbed (quite literally) in the back for trusting again

Diego - I'm just gonna be honest and say Diego should have spent longer in the 60s than a couple of months, maybe switching the dates Diego and Luther arrived, I don't know - a little more insight into how Lila got close to Diego in the asylum, and more time expanding on how therapy and his time in the 60s changed him, and expanding on the racism he endured in S2 not just with the asylum guards - it's something he and Allison talk about in S3 amd it's no doubt something they both grew up dealing with

Allison - again, very little Id change other than keeping it going for longer, it seems like after 2x06 racism stops existing in S2 (other than one mention) and so do all the characters Allison's interacted with at this point beyond Ray, obviously there's only so much you can fit into 10 45 minute episodes and the last three barely have any outside interactions beyond the commission but I still think even just one shot of Odessa, Ray and the others hearing about Allison being linked to JKFs death was warranted

Klaus - oh Klaus, I could go on for days about you - I am a firm Klaus joining an anti war movement truther, hell I even like the ghost cult theory that people had going on, I just feel like nobody really knew what to do with Klaus in S2 - and he was very much disjointed from the rest of the characters in the way that was obvious - yes he was in s1 and S3 (S3 again slightly more obvious with it than S1) but he was also connected to the main plot, S2 he was doing his own thing pretty much 99% of the season and it only served as more disconnect - I'm not saying he needed to be a main character, he wasn't in s1 and he still had things going on, I'm saying that it's at least expected that if everyone else is related to the plot by coincidence and what else, and Klaus is just there, why is Klaus there? What is he providing? S1, he had a hand in the apocalypse as much as everyone else, and it's sadly missing here.

Five - This is related to Diego too, but it fits more with the Five stuff. Drop the Handler stuff, just completely drop it. She didn't need to come back, have AJ take her place. And if you're gonna bring in the Commission then set them up firmly against Five (and by extension the other Hargreeves) for fucking with time - set it up that Five is dangerous and AJ knows it, that he's building an army (2x10) to try take Five down - his own adopted daughter (Lila) included, no deals, no bargains, AJ wants to destroy Five for even daring to try stop the apocalypse, and he's more ruthless than the Handler to get his way - and let Five get the satisfaction of killing him

Ben - I would say drop the possession stuff but that is plot relevant so maybe change it around to be on a more consensual sort of weird thing Klaus and Ben do - it could still be funny, with the siblings talking to Ben and Ben trying to act as Klaus (for whatever reason) and because Klaus is pretty much a strange character to his siblings already they don't question how wildly out of character he's acting ie "Because that is a thing, I, Klaus Hargreeves, do." "Uh? Sure buddy." / "I think I'm really nailing acting like you." Meanwhile the siblings side eyeing Ben acting as Klaus but they just don't know what the fuck is going on - and just for extra funsies (aka pain) have it established to Ben that he knows possessing Klaus (and by extension anyone else) is slowly destroying him but he wants to be a part of the family again, and he wants to experience life again so badly that he keeps going, and going, until he ends up passing on helping Viktor - and let that be part of the message with Klaus

Viktor - ohohoho where do I even begin? I think the only thing I will be leaving untouched is Sissy and Harlan, the rest? Gone. Personally I am not a fan of amnesia storylines, but Viktor needs to almost end the world somehow, right, and come to terms with his childhood trauma and the end of S1 somehow and doing it off screen hardly seems fair

I'm so glad you asked :) so Viktor, following have a gun go off by his ear and getting hit by a car goes deaf in one ear and it's affecting his powers obviously cause they're related to hearing at least somewhat - he's losing control, or can't make them work when he wants and he feels like the progress he made is thrown back as well as feeling conflicted and guilty for using them after what happened, after almost killing Allison - but still angry at his siblings for what they did and a lot of conflicting emotions also fuelling his powers being out of control

He's desperately trying to hide his powers (not the LGBTQ+ Merlin metaphor) from Sissy, Harlan and Carl and maintain the life he's created in the 60s but it's growing increasingly more difficult and only adding to his stress

So when he sees Luther again, he's obviously feeling a lot - happy to see someone he knows, anger, pained, guilty, confused - maybe even feeling like an outcast again, assuming that they all knew where each other was this entire time and left him out again - and leaves before Luther can talk to him, the conflicting emotions and his powers make something happen in Sissy's house (idk maybe something breaks enough to scare Viktor into leaving before he thinks he'll hurt someone else) and bumping into the Swedes and meeting Five again, and this time they properly talk it out - Viktor seeing the hurt he caused Five during his years in the apocalypse, even if the events that led to the apocalypse weren't only his fault, he admits fault for his part in it, and Five, aptly says something like, "You were a cog in a machine, Viktor. If not you, it would've been someone else, the Commission made sure of that." And it's clear they've at least talked it out somewhat to be able to trust each other

The second Luther and Viktor reunion is still hard - Luther apologises like in canon, and Viktor is wary of his sincerity, pointing out the last time he trusted Luther he was locked in the basement - Luther admits that he has no reason to be trusted, but he'll prove it to Viktor if he can - and it's cautious predicament with the two of them from here on out, eventually Viktor and Luther both realising the positions they were manipulated into by Harold and Reginald (and Pogo) and their own actions respectively

The other reunions and slightly less tense - Diego and Viktor's being the most tense of the remaining three - but again, they both apologise - Diego's therapy and Viktor's own realisations with the apocalypse playing a part, and it's slightly cold but still forgiveness, Allison is still trying to deal with her own problems in the 60s along with pushing down any of the negative feelings she has about what happened in S1 so it plays very much the same s1 to S3 wise but maybe Viktor is more wary of Allison's forgiveness, and Klaus is the one with the least stake in that plotline

So, okay, he's made up with the majority of the siblings, his emotions are under control, and his powers are more or less under control, how does he cause the end of the world? I'm still so glad you asked besties BC here's the plot twist he doesn't - in which I'll explain, so how does Ben still help Viktor and end up dying but it's nothing to do with the end of the world, and what about the apocalypse at the beginning of s2 - it's all been set up to look like Viktor will cause the apocalypse again in Five (and the audiences) eyes

So why does Ben help Viktor and end up passing on? Instead of running away with Sissy, Viktor tries to decide to stay in the 60s instead - it's not ideal but if he can't bring Sissy with him, then he'll stay, it's the obvious solution only Carl isn't happy with that - and the gun fight ensues - the gun going off throwing Viktor back to the theatre and into a flashback - one no one can reach him in - except Ben

And they still have their talk, and Viktor manages to find his own peace with what happened

So how does the world end? Well, the Commission being dickheads and AJ manipulating Lila for a reason bb with something like this going down between AJ and Five

"Today, tomorrow, next week, almost sixty years from now, it doesn't matter. It's all the same to me."

"Time matters, you can't erase all that time. It'll cause a paradox that could destroy the universe!" (Hello S3 hint) "Surely the rest of the Commission don't see it that way."

"The world was always doomed to end, and your pathetic attempt to save it only doomed it and your siblings faster. I'd almost congratulate you, Five, you managed to fail so incredibly that you made my own job easier."

They figure out the Commission are targeting the Federal building to make it look like an attack and start a nuclear war with Hazel's tape, and stop it from being blown up in time, but bad news - Harlan still has powers and AJ's army is ready and 2x10 plays out basically the same

And where is Reggie in all this? Keeping an eye on what's happening in the background - having his own people investigate the siblings and keeping note of their powers which will come bite them in S3 - he's not explicitly a part but he's definitely doing something in the background

And then, Sparrows.

#i dont claim for any of this to make sense #i just have thoughts and again im not a writer these are just my own opinions #the umbrella academy #umbrella academy #tua #tua s2 #ill tag as neg just in case #tua negativity

[i-seeaspaceshipinthe-sky]

smart smart people that left the fandom after s2. sure they didn't get to see void!klaus but they don't have to suffer from s4 hairstyle

#i wish i didn't like rob so i wouldn't be here too fdkjkgghh #yes hair is important <3 #yes you can block me :) #tua negativity #tua criticism #i love how hair department was like yeah let's give him the worst hairstyle known to man <3 #AND ALL THIS AFTER S3 LIKE ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS

[capinejghafa]

Not to be that person, but looking at the fight between alphonso and diego did not make sense (3.02). at all. because if alphonso powers are revert back everything that happens to him then diego would have fallen at the same time that alphonso fell and he didn’t. like in theory this fight was cool, but logistically doesn’t add up.

also, diego’s powers are trajectory manipulation like that's the one power we know for sure he has... like it made sense that they didn’t land for reggie (alien) and christopher (he’s a fucking cube)... but theoretically, all of the appliances should have hit jayme not just one lol and why didn’t he throw a knife at her either.

the store fight was *check notes* a mess.

#tua negativity #tua #as some who has been trying to defend this season and some of the choices they made with diego #i will just say that maybe the writers forgot how to write his character? or his powers? #i can't defend this mess... like upon doing these rewatches i have defended everything under the sun #but this fight is bad for a number of different reasons #mostly bc the writers forgot what diego's powers were... #anyways 3.02 is interesting bc nothing really happens but so much happens asdasds #i hate to say... again i defended this show from dumb things but your gonna have two characters fight then it has to make sense #if this is an establish character then you have to have them use their powers we're on s3 babes come on #im a diego stan first and a show defender second or sometimes third but even i cant defend this

[lunannex]

I still stand by my opinion that like 75% of S2 of The Umbrella Academy was a heaping dumpster fire

#luna talks #i’m so sorry i don’t like it very much #the cult storyline…………yikes #the handler coming back #the start of the himbofication (derogatory) of luther and diego #the reason viktor caused the apocalypse being absolute bullshit #the klaus and dave storyline could’ve been handled better #absolving viktor of any blame from his actions in s1 #THE AMNESIA PLOT AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY OF IT #where are the consequences of their actions???????? #allison immediately getting her voice back??? yeah yeah she couldn’t speak for a year WHATEVER #it could’ve been so interesting but it just…wasn’t #tua negativity #just in case

[sharkneto]

Are there any tua songs that you dislike? If not, I was curious if you had some tua side characters you didn’t care for.

Thank you for indulging me this rant I so deviously hinted at in the tags of my Top 5 TUA tracks! You're a real one, anon.

Top of the list - the Bach Partita that plays when Ben goes to confront Viktor in S2. Why did they pick that. It has zero meaning, it's just a nice, generic violin piece, when they have an entire beautiful, violin-centered theme already written for Viktor from S1. Why didn't they use part of Viktor's Orchestra (I or II) for this scene. It haunts me.

That was the bit I had to get off my chest. Other than that, I have minor quibbles. No complaints from S1 (my beloved). S2, beyond my enemy, the partita, I'm not a fan of I Was Made For Loving You for the consulate fight scene, it doesn't flow right. I suppose the angle for that choice is Diego and Lila but eh, that Five is Lila's focus at the moment makes it hit off for me so it feels more like a "Look we're using a fun song!" rather than a particularly clever use of it, even if they were going for irony. S3 the only moment I remember going "really?" was the Teenage Dream cover for Luther and Sloane's wedding. I get the thematics of it, yes, it fits them well, that doesn't mean I have to like it and I think it doesn't hit the mood of the wedding right. It's right for them, but not the surrounding context of Wedding at the End of the World.

Overall, I really like TUA's music. They're known for their use of it, as they should be. I just needed to get the Bach Partita off my chest.

#thanks for asking anon! #as for your second question - are there side characters I don't like? #Yes #but that feels like a rant for a separate ask ;) #shark's tua thoughts #tua negativity #ask response

[a-heart-of-kyber]

I think there's definitely a difference between liking a character and being fully aware that they do shitty things a good portion of the time and liking them regardless vs. Liking a character and ignoring the horrible things they do in order to keep them on a pedestal.

Aka, the difference between Klaus fandom and Ben fandom.

#it's kinda interesting that they kind of point this out vaguely in the show #with showing how klaus knew him to be #vs the others who have made him the saint he never was #but nah this fandom will straight victim blame klaus for ben stealing his body #and sa-ing him #because klaus was pissed at ben for being such a massive prick #and he exercised his bodily autonomy #because people seem to forget that Klaus’s powers are his and no one else's #and he is not obligated to be a mouth piece #for someone who is belittling him and treating him like shit #regardless of whether or not klaus isn't being an angel #tua negativity #ben may be one of my least fav characters of all time 🤣 #and it 100% is partly due to the fandom #and also how what he did was treated comedically and he died a hero #with no consequences or apologies

[bejeweledmp3]

the thing about the new tua season is that yes i'm having fun but also like. where is the edge. the off-puttingness. the dysfunctional that's not just lack of communication. the fun!!! where is the chaos i dunno man. just. make me feel something!!! it can't be that hard!!!

#tua negativity #if anyone has that blacklisted #but it's not like negativity like i'm genuinely enjoying the season but like #every time i want them to dig their theeth into something they don't #the plotlines they're doing feel awkward!! the story is all over the place!!! i don't even have words to explain the pacing!!!! #it's cool it's fun but like. tf #i'm still on episode four and i will finish the season #(hopefully before friday bc my st4 rewatch happens then and !!!!!!!! vol 2 can't wait we know this) #but idk it makes me sad that a show like tua can feel so. flat #talking tag;

[bluesyjean]

Am I the only one who likes to explain away the himbofication of Luther and Diego, and some of the more questionable sibling decisions of s3 especially, with 'time travel messes with your mind'? Sure, Five and Lila are used to it, but the rest of the siblings aren't. After two jumps let's just say their brains aren't functioning like they used to.

Makes everything that grates you in s3 so much more tolerable, I promise.

#tuamre #tua #I'm not as negative about s3 as most #it has some really great character moments #but it's hard to see luther's progression as character growth tbh #for example #he's just so dumb in s3 #let's call it time travel brain and be done with it #the umbrella academy #umbrella acedmy

[bisexualbuckleyy]

the umbrella academy fandom really said all of the siblings can fuck up and do horrible things and lash out because of their trauma. except for the black woman cause that’s not allowed

#seeing some really shit takes on allison’s character this season #literally all of them have done horrible shit #ALL OF THEM #and yes i agree what she did to luther was absolutely not okay #but she very clearly realized that and immediately felt horrible about it #but like this woman has been bottling up her negative emotions for two years and losing claire finally tipped her over the edge #i can really understand where she’s coming from #that doesn’t mean that anything she did was okay but she made some good points #but like i literally saw so many people saying they hate her now or that they want the writers to kill her off #like what the fuck??? #everyone else can be a complex and nuanced character but god forbid the black woman is anything but flawless #the umbrella academy #allison hargreeves #tua s3 #tua spoilers

[big-ball-o-twine]

(original) Ben’s reaction to time travel is so endearing to me. The fact that he was like, wow. That was exhilarating. It’s the closest anyone gets to understanding what Five felt at thirteen, I think.

#tua musings #the umbrella academy #tua #ben hargreeves #number five #tua five #five hargreeves #the siblings tend to view time travel as #a very negative thing tbh #they are rarely in a position to recognize #the ways it has saved them #but they do fully understand the ways it #has screwed them over #so it is more often discussed as #this thing that causes problems #this thing that ruins things #it’s blamed as the reason they are in this #mess to begin with! #and Five gets a lot of flack #both from his siblings and internally #because time travel is what trapped him #he’s lost a lot of that excitement #I think that’s why I find #Ben’s reaction so charming #here’s someone who recognizes what an #amazing and absurd feat this is #it’d be nice if Five could talk to someone #like that that views Five’s abilities as a #incredible thing #(someone other than Reginald 🥲)

[bisexuallilapitts]

The most positive thing I can say about Klaus's S4 hair is that he has hair

#think mortal engines but also somehow worse??? #it looks like a wig and not at the same time and also extensions??? #literally flat on his head #tua negativity #just in case

[i-seeaspaceshipinthe-sky]

still can't believe that in s1 luther didn't let five kill that random gardener, and then in s2 he considered killing 2 of his siblings (og five bc old five told him to and viktor at the farm)

#like buddy ?????? u ok? #they're your brothers and viktor blew up the moon bc of *your* decision mostly #the others should've fought harder to let him out but that's a different story #i mean s1 had COMPLEXITY and s2-3 just wanted everyone to not notice luther's Decisions bc he's dumb and 'funny' (no) now #tua negativity

[capinejghafa]

the messed up thing about tua 3.02-3.04 is that if they just edited a lot out and fixed a few plots (that on for way too long), it could of been a really interesting start to the season. ya, we were on our third apocalypse, but the way they’ve intro them has always been interesting imo

the “real” season 3 doesn’t start until 3.05 (arguably aspects of 3.01 and 3.04... basically any mention or references to the Kugelblitz). that’s the real problem i’m having this season. the show wastes so much time establishing plots that often time don’t go anywhere or stop midway through. the moments that really stick out in a positive way are when the hargreeves are all together, working together...yes, they can still fight among themselves and develop relationships outside of this family, but at its core it’s always been about this dysfunctional family coming together.

#tua negativity #random #the cats are sleeping and i had a chance to watch 3.05 (the kindest cut) #i have so much issues with 3.02 to 3.04 but 3.05 is where i start to love tua again #is it perfect? no absolutely not. #it works because the tua writers essentially killed several people out and there they were like anyways end of the world :D #tbf there are still some plots even in 3.05 (particularly the SA scene that was dumb af) #but again they brought back a plot that went on too long and they officially ended it in a fucked up way #point being we shouldn't have to wait 5 epi to get them all together #also i stand by diego makes or breaks the episode and guess how many scenes he's in this one? a lot #again not perfect but it's best episode of the first half of s3

[seanceofthedamned]

Thinking about how much i could've enjoyed season 3 if they had some of the characters stay more true to themsleves instead of becoming more dumb and corny and Luther and Sloane's romance had been more interesting

#tua s3 negative #the umbrella academy #luther hargreeves #diego hargreeves #klaus hargreeves #five hargreeves #viktor hargreeves #ben hargreeves #season 2 was a lil silly but serious when it needed to be #lila and diego's relationship in season 2 for example was more interesting than luther and sloane's #just my opinion

[feralnumberfive]

Potential TUA S4 news on the way? 🤔

#If I'm being 100% honest and not exactly in a negative way- I don't really care if we hear anything about TUA #and I guess it makes sense for Netflix to host Geeked Week right after the strikes have come to an agreement/kind of end but it feels dirty #tua #the umbrella academy #umbrella academy #tua s4

[a-heart-of-kyber]

I have some genuine questions when people say Season 2 of tua was great and/or the best.

#like I'm honestly confused #tua negativity #like outside of five having a lot of screentime #and him being the most popular character #and i personally think that just because he got the most screentime #it doesn’t mean his storyline was even good tbh #like I'm very confused because I suffered through it #maybe it's because i find the handler horrifically annoying?