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catsconflictscopicsandchamomile · 4 months

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No but full stop. if you say anything like "Gen Alpha is being raised wrong/horrible to have in class/morally fucked-up/idiotic/doomed/just really really cringe" I will unironically lose all respect for you immediately.

all this stuff about "they're illiterate", "they have no respect for parents or teachers" "screens have rotted their brains" "they just speak in weird Skibidi Toilet Gyatt Rizz Meme Language" "the screens have made them have no behavior standards or morals" "the ScReEeEeEeEnsssss"

...you sound literally exactly like our parents' generation did with us. and elder millenials'/Gen X/even really late boomer's parents' generations did with them about video games and cable tv and...regular tv

and radio

and records

and. dime novels.

and it literally just goes back like that forever

OVID talked abt this stuff in the EXACT same way

so yeah, if you say that stuff without a shred of self-awareness, then I

1) do not think you can keep your commitment to "not fuck up future generations like we were fucked up", since you're contributing to that fucking-up right now by your words and actions.

2) will assume that you have a similar shortsightedness in other issues that require you to compare your own/modern-day views and events to historical ones, and lose faith in your interpretation of everything from aesthetics and online drama to world-altering current events because of that

3) genuinely I just have nothing but disappointment in people who say these things. anyone on this site who hates "icky gen alpha things" almost definitely did the same thing themselves.

They have "Gyatt", we* had GLOMPING, Yaoi Paddles, shitty mspa twerking gifs everywhere, and "Oh My God, Look At Her Butt"

They have "Rizz" we had "YOLO SWAG" and "I made you a cookie but I eated it" and those selfies where you held your camera up too high and then looked up at it from under your bangs

They have "Skibidi Toilet" we had SO MANY THINGS. Llamas with Hats. Charlie the Unicorn. Annoying Orange. Crazy Frog. Potter Puppet Pals. Minecraft Parodies if you're younger gen z. friCKING TOBUSCUS MUSIC, that man was a PLAGUE.

They have a toxic social media culture focused on heavily edited and unachievable beauty standards, enforced popularity culture, rigid aesthetic-based social groups, harmful rumors about health & beauty, a pressure on young girls to act mature, and underlying racism/classism, all leading kids who dont have adequate guidance to, AT BEST, try beauty "products" that arent meant for kids and are usually scams. We had... literally the exact same thing except our airbrushing was on celebs and models instead of coming from filters.

*I am older Gen Z (24 y.o.) but was so fucking sheltered until ~2014, and even then... I'm going off tumblr-history blogs, yt retrospectives and "my friend said so" to understand what "we" had

TLDR STOP BULLYING GEN ALPHA

...except about "Starpatch" or "Starface" or whatever it is. yes, ik its also popular/more popular with younger gen z. yes I'm literally making a post rn to bully(lh) yall JUST as hard about it. if it were my exact age group doing this I would be bullying yall. i dont care who does it, starpatch is so fricking silly.

#gen z #gen alpha #history #trends #skibidi toilet #gyatt #rizz #cringe #tumblr culture #tumblrcore #social media #ageism #igen #longpost #rant ish #i have opinions about this actually #soapbox

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ratsbypaulzindel · 2 months

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HI. BIG OVERVIEW OC POST THING. IT'S RAINFOREST FLOODS.

have you ever thought to yourself "hey wouldnt it be cool if there was an oc story made by two guys and it was about a haunted waterpark slash arcade in a fake town in a real state". you probably haven't. but if you have youre in luck! more under the cut ok.

rainforest floods is a terrible no good ocverse made by me and my good friend crawford @dykeseesgod. everyone in it sucks and is horrible except maybe one or two side characters. it's set in the podunk middle of nowhere town of timberline, new mexico, and more specifically a waterpark/arcade called rainforest floods (title drop).

also the waterpark SUUUCKS like its budget is nothing they are in debt. the managers havent paid taxes in 15 years. anyway these are the employees. theyre bad

and these are the co-managers. theyre even worse (and also toxic old man yaoi. these refs were drawn by the aforementioned crawford)

anyway yeah. they get up to wacky hijinks in what will ideally be a tv show coming out in one million years. they're also horrible and tragic. most of it is bruce's fault. some of its not though!

ok also here's some other side characters.

^ running gag that nobody knows her name except kelsey who has a huge crush on her.

^ unnamed girl's younger brother who is constantly faced with horrors and torment at the hands of the rainforest floods employees. dont get me wrong hes annoying as fuck but he didnt deserve to run on that hamster wheel. (ref also drawn by ford)

^ jeff's girlfriend. also the coolest person in timberline new mexico. worlds most unimportant minor character but she is wonderful and loved by the producers (me and cosmo)

FUNNY OUT OF CONTEXT THINGS THAT SHOULD MAKE YOU MORE INVESTED IN THIS OCVERSE

rainforest floods stupidity logic is a thing me and robbie came up with to explain why all the characters are idiots who dont find things out that are important to the plot too soon.

there's a chain gimmick restaurant that andy's whole family runs except him. its like italian food but its like also magicians. their tagline is "so good its practically magic". andy hates it.

kyle has a curse on him so that nobody remembers or recognizes him outside of like. his family. so the rff employees arent even targeting him for their shenanigans on purpose theyre all just weird freaks.

kelsey gives unnamed girl the company landline as her phone number because shes stupid and a ghost and doesnt have a phone.

the employees all get together on wednesdays in the breakroom and compare evidence on whether or not andy and bruce are together romantically. its the one thing that truly bonds them all together.

vincent: is a watchmojo fan, had his first kiss as beethoven in his 12th grade production of dog sees god confessions of a teenage blockhead (2004), gets really christian in some episode subplot, is not a swiftie but he is a gaylor, wishes he was jonathan sims sooooo bad, types like a toddler who was just given a keyboard.

vincent also ruined rainforest floods' lobby playlist

also there's a brand account that we run and post on whenever we feel like it. its more of a sounding board for ideas we may explore more in the future. its fun but it may be a bit difficult to get the full idea with the execution so :-( sorry you wont fully understand our wonderful and hilarious visions

annnd i think that's it. yay worlds silliest yet most tragic oc story. ok bye ^_^

#vel.txt #oc stuff #rainforest floods

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deathzgf · 6 months

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( almost ) ALL MY AMREV + FREV WIPS ( 12 october - 5 november 2023 ) ! ! ! ! !

WARNING : long ass post jFDSFLKJSLF ( will all be under the cut )

NOTE : not everything is here ! a lot of my amrev + frev drawings are doodles ive done in class ( which i cant find ) + i Do Not Like a lot of them + Tumblr only allows so many images T___T

ah yes . . . the doodle that started it all . . . my good omens sona in the french revolution ! except i had no idea what i was doing at ALL and had no historical context ! which i now do have and it makes me ENRAGED for how good omens handled that era . . . why are they in the bastille in 1793 . . . ANYWAYS ! YEAH !

aaand because of that doodle , i researched frev fashion ! and guess what ! that robespierre fashion video came up ! wooo robespierre ! and then this was the first fucking thing i drew of him i cant . I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE FUCK HE MISSED SO BAD + HOW THE BULLET WOULD LOOK

BECAUSE after that i drew this ! pookie ! ! !

first saint just drawing . i was listening to angel with a shotgun on loop . . . and i thought . . . angel with a guillotine . . . get it cuz hes . hes angel of the terror . and . and . a

i dont have any explanation for this

i hate this . but first robespierre AND saint just drawing wahoo

first frev oc except the hair on that one drawing is red because i went back and changed it cuz i made their name Jules Le Roux and . You know . Red hair . yeah

jules and calixte ! ! ! calixte is @toastytrusty ' s oc and my sweet sweet little baby i love them dearly

. . . saint just doodle i forgor to come back to

JULES AND CALIXTE LORE

miku binder robespierre

saint just painting robespierres nails because :3

WE INTO THE AMREV NOW WOOO . anyways me when ive married and icarus and hes flown too close to the sun lol ( his wings are meant to be burning letters btw . yeah )

jules , calixte , and leonard interaction ! ! ! ! !

which didnt go well

this turned out gayer than intended i genuinely dont know what happened here

i wanted to continue this so bad but i fucking forgot about it but Uhhh uhhhhh uhhh

you know those vamp ! robespierre and vamp hunter ! saint just aus ? yeah

PLEASE STOP SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE A DICK IVE NEVER DRAWN A VIOLIN BEFORE PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE . anyways he playsss theee violinnn he tucks it right underr hisss chinnnnn

winning the idgaf war . unbothered . living his best life

theres a storytime for this drawing but ill save that for later . john adams ( 2008 ) scene redraw but instead of jefferson grabbing adams elbow its his waist except it looks awful and i need to redo it soo baddd

vamp ! robespierre and saint just ( ? ? ? i guess vamp hunter ! saint just cuz thats usually what goes with vamp ! robespierre but idk man ) . they were meant to be on like some moonlit picnic or some shit but then class ended and i forgor about this

donald trump , alexander hamilton , and thomas jefferson . need i say more ?

the ORIGINAL toxic doomed yaoi ( hamburr )

burr . boobies :3

that one scene from saint just et la forces des choses BUT AGAIN this turned out gayer than intended . why do they keep doing this

hey girl i think theres something wrong with your leg

semi modern band ! gay trio . . . thing . . . ? girl idk . but i gave up

making jules a proper ref ! who cheered !

AAAND THATS IT !

let me know if . you want me to finish any of these because otherwise theyre probably going to rot in my gallery HELP

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neoncat666 · 5 months

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hello i am insane about the suckening if you would like to theorize and talk about it with me 👍

yeah you could say im really normal over it. vague spoilers for ep 1 and 2 and more direct spoilers about ep 3

Mind you my knowledge of vtm is very limited due to the last time i even thought about it was years ago and i didn't even play it but oh my god they really got me researching on shit again and ive never wanted to see their character sheets sooo bad

i'm obviously a big fan of Arthur but like i remember when they first introduced shilo i genuinely thought it was a timeskip after emizel fuckin died and thats why they mentioned how similar they looked only to be shot out back with them outright saying theyre related and everyone has made that connection except shilo. theyre relationship facinates me so much cause they emphasize how "identical" they look so its not just a brotherly relationship but a twin relationship as well but also what the fuck lmao??? im excited to see where that goes

speaking of brothers what the fuck Arthur has (had he's probably dead now) a younger brother ??????? and on my second listen through I realize that Charlie explicitly mentions fire along with blood for the nightmare so somehow Arthur lost his younger brother that may or not be related to fire and blood and literally has nightmares every night. somehow for a loner Arthur has a weird amount of ties to other characters /j but like the fact all these characters have being seperated from their brother/family in common is kind of funny. but it also kind of brings into question on if this loss will affect arthur and how he treats the boys. he's made it clear that he's not going to actively stop them from doing stupid shit and getting hurt but he still tried to make sure that they weren't to be targeted during this supposed ambush that seems about to happen. he cares for the vampiric rules enough but also is actively fighting against vampires in general. like its easy to say he wants them alive since he's responsible for emizel and they're both the queen's sons but he's also said he doesn't care what happens to them so im curious and what he full motives are. like more of a meta thing but grizzly making sure he focuses more on the scent of an animal to feed from rather than a supernatural because emizel was right there was something. arthur says otherwise but he wants these two to stay alive whether so he can use them or not cause it seems that he has a group or even just a person who can help him if things get worse around here anyway but he doesn't just let it happen. i also wonder who this new person he's more focused on is cause it could be a few people and i wonder who the person he originally came for is too

also i keep saying arthur n deacon are toxic yaoi and when we met magnus i said that arthur now has doomed yaoi so good on him

#i could do a whole post on my thoughts about magnus and the slayers tbh #asks #adolin-is-best-boy #the suckening spoilers #the suckening #jrwi the suckening

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mikarchive2 · 4 months

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one thing about me is that despite being pretty much hypersexual i feel attraction to fictional characters VERY rarely. or like. im autistic about attraction so im basically only into situations + dynamics and if i really want a character carnally i have to ship them with someone first and then i have to pretend im the person im shipping them with. sounds complicated i know but the real ones get it. anyway the only exception to this i can think of is fucking NANAMI from jujutsu kaisen. i literally only got into that anime because of him and to this day he is the only fictional character that i can have romantic daydreams about. (the other contender is dr tenma of monster fame but i havent finished that yet + he is being a bit irresponsible with that child so. we will see) ... and i dont know i think its sort of nice that despite the sexual insanity always going on in my mind i can really only envision myself with genuinely caring and respectful and gentle men. #feminism. i will yap about toxic yaoi all day but in the end what i want in my real life is the 'i miss my wife' type of guy.

#🖍

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lollytea · 4 months

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what's a thing you love and don't talk too much about it as you would like?

Agsvdjnk I think I talk a lot about everything I love

Lets see, stuff I love but don't talk about every single day?

I love tigers!! They're one of my favourite animals I think they are so gorgeous. I also just love cats in general, they make me so happy.

I really really really love the late 90s Disney channel cartoon Recess. It's so well written and underrated and the characters are so much fun and well rounded. And it's sweet and down to earth and funny and AA!! I think more people should rewatch.

I have a long running special interest in Peter Pan. At least the idea of Peter Pan. There's plenty of elements of the adaptions that I am very fond of but I've spent my life on the hunt for a twist on the story that scratches my brain in a very specific way, like the 2003 version did. And one day I'll either find it or I'll make it myself.

Fairycore/fairytale/princess vibes stuff makes me very happy.

Anne With An E gave me intense brain termites it's so good!!! I've never read the original green gables books, but I'm really really attached to this show and their own take on the story. The bonds that are formed between the characters are the main draw for me, especially the friendships and found family.

I've seen Malcolm and the Middle so many times that its bascially just brain sedatives for me. I am so attached to that chaotic idiotic asshole family.

The Six of Crows duology!!!! Those books are SO good, I recommend to everybody who wants a series that will put their heart in a headlock. (There are more books in the series but personally I like to end the story with the duology. I've seen enough.)

It's not for everyone but I also love the Folk of the Air series. Just cuz I love toxic unhealthy insane dynamics, and also biblically accurate faeries.

Bojack Horseman is another comfort show, like Malcolm, except the vibe is wildly different. I love shows with an almost whiplashy balance between silliness and raw bleeding devastation.

Cardcaptor Sakura but everybody already knows that

FRUITS BASKET!!!! BRAINROT BAIT IF YOURE NOT NORMAL ABOUT CHARACTERS 🗣🗣🗣

Craig of the Creek!!!! Cutest cartoon I've ever seen, I love it so much :D!!!

There's this one show called A Man Who Defies the World of BL that I think is so so funny and I've watched it many times. It's about a guy who has discovered he's a background character in a yaoi manga universe and he's fighting for his life not to become a main character. Dodging hot men's advances left, right and center.

Lilo and Stitch is one of my favourite movies of all time!!! Especially Lilo and Nani!!!

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yellowbluemoonshine · 11 months

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Do you read manhwas ?? If so then which one?

Yeah, I read webtoon/manhwa and manga a lot.

I am not really fan of manhua but there are exceptions for that one too, for example; 'Your Dream is Delicious' was one of my exceptions for me because i love characters. I love it.

I dont have specific genre to read one because you can never know which story has good characters and well written plotline but i generally prefer to read;

Yaoi- But i cant enjoy the story, if sex is only thing or main focus.

Romance- The reason i love romance because i love series that focus on relationships the most, though i hate when 'romance is the only focus' or when lovers act like they only care about each others but still, at least, story explores the interaction between characters.

Fantasy- I dont mind slice of life but sometimes its fun to explore supernatural or fantasy world.

Psychological- What can i say, psychology is my favorite thing because i dont enjoy shallow-typical characters, i want to know more about them, thats how i can get into story and enjoy from it. Though, its hard to find well written one.

Horror- i think every story needs a little/small horror element.

Shounen ai- Unlike yaoi, slowburn romance when characters get to know each others first works better because two strangers having sex and magiclaly falling in love is so unrealistic to me. Not to mention, most of them are romanticized toxic relationships without consent, i hate it.

Shoujo ai- I mean, there is no difference for me between shoujo ai and shounen ai, if its well written. Though, its hard to find good yuri too.

This doesnt mean i dont read other genres but i usually read those ones the most. I read reencarnation stories too but most of the mare cliche, its hard to find good one.

The thing is; Its been years since i start reading manhwa, I dont remember which ones i read because i read a lot and i still read.

But i have a few favorites, unfortunately i dont remember everything i read so just a few faves of mine.

Bastard;

Genre; Crime, mystery, psychological, horror.

I enjoy this story a lot.

A Joyful Life;

Genre; Slice of life, shoujo ai, romance, drama

I love main characters and the interaction between them.

Stagtown;

Genre; Horror, mystery, supernatural.

Recently, it has finished, i really enjoyed the horror elements of the story.

Pyramid Game;

Genre; Psychology

Both story and characters are good. Another 'win the game/war' type of story but its about more mental struggle than psychical one. If you love stories with tension, you might like this.

King's Maker;

Genre; Shounen ai, yaoi, history.

Main focus isnt romance. Its about changing the kingdom they live in.

The Best Smell;

Genre; Shounen ai.

Just adding here, cute shounen ai story, though art c/should've been better. Not necessarely my fave but i am just adding here because i dont remember other stories i read.

Her Shimchang;

Genre; Shoujo ai, romance, history, supernatural.

I keep rec.ing shoujo ai, even though i hardly read one, (i usually read yaoi/shounen ai). I often end up hating most the things i read so its rare to find a story i love from beginning to the ending and this one is one of them.

Hooky;

Genre; Fantasy, adventure.

It has very cute art, and storyline. I love when characters go to adventure, discover the world around them, interact with others. Though i didnt enjoy the second part os tory, still worh it though and i love the twins and their relationship the most.

I Love Amy;

This one isnt necessarely my fave because story is new to me but i find the story, characters and art interesting enough to mention it. Its about yandere girl who fall in love with the girl she considered love rival, lol. I love the fact that they actually give yandere girl a character and story and allow her to learn true love.

I read so many good stories, especially romance, yaoi but these ones are the ones i remember right now.

Bonus; I also read Dr Frost, The Guy Upstairs, Like You Maybe, Sugar & Spice, High Class Homos, Fictional Skin, Tower of God etc on webtoon app. Others i read on random websites, there are too many to write it here so for now, thats it.

#webtoon #anon ask #manhwa #your dream is delicious #manhua #bastard #a joyful life #stagtown #pyramid game #king's maker #the best smell #her shim cheong #her shimchang #hooky #i love amy #webtoon advice #manhwa advice

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funshinebf · 24 days

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the thing about vashwood is that its not reeeeally toxic yaoi, except sometimes it is. like it totally isnt but also it definitely is. yknow?

#my post #get u a ship that can do both! soft domestic raising kids AND holding guns to eachother's heads!!!

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kfruityouth · 1 month

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alright ive had it. who the hell is the conductor

or: i go insane trying to analyse file 28.

also, fair warning: this will be all over the place and probably very stream-of-consciousness.

we all know that one chart, right? the one that has the conductor very much within the 'sydney should die' zone? okay. brilliant.

in order to debunk this, late night history channel program style, lets look at the scene we're given (this is, of course, banking off and assuming that the conductor is the weirdo guy in the field from the clock of meantime) and also, this took place, if im remembering the timeline correctly, after sydney had been resurrected.

pretty normal, right? WRONG!

the inability to make a fist was mentioned earlier in the episode by sydney.

the inability to make a fist is usually in relation to the inability to defend oneself, seen repeatedly with elijah (freaky psychic fatigue-inducing style), jedidiah (toxic yaoi codependency style) and adam (i cant make this one funny. i cant.).

something something, the rabbit not being able to fight back. something something, sydney hopes never to experience that but he does!

"fist-forming hands" and "railroad-uprooting eyes" seem to be juxtapositions—the conductor is defenceless, and offensive.

i have ideas for this one, but they dont really fit in here so ill leave it for now.

jedidiah is defenceless now, too.

(the next little part just kind of seems to me like a bit of, er, verse, so i wont go over it except for this little bit...

...whiiiiich kind of reminds me of how sydney can only eat buttered bread. i wonder if theres something there?)

anyway!

yeah.

god, c'mon. the cardinal is tapping at the clock face. trying to break the glass. trying to just know, because only if he could.

a one-track mind is something jedidiah very obviously possesses; we see it most prominently in his incessant devotion to his project, whatever the hell that might be.

he's not going to lose track.

i'd also like to address "strong man"??? i don't think it's just a physical descriptor, i think it's in reference to mental strength. jedidiah, though fearful and apprehensive, seems to admire this guy, and follows his, er, "advice". his "help." sound familiar? ( yall i cannot get into this crack theory i have that the conductor is to jedidiah what adam is to sydney)

also, "the sky finally shatters, and I slip through the cracks"? dude i cant even begin to go into this one. all im gonna say is rowan sky apocalypse. for the sake of my own sanity.

yada yada its overtaking his thoughts. whatever. you know what i mean.

(also sydneys weird clock pacemaker shtick theory. right here. evidence.)

yall dont understand how many unhinged theories i have about this one. im going to leave it here for now, because its important, and maybe come back to it in another post.

aaaaand then jedidiah goes on to talk about his father, of which the conductor reminds him of (see: "my father's strong hands")

more stars in the sky. only two that matter. GODDDDDDDDajkdhsjghf.

and of course, the famous. the one that gives me chills on every relisten. on every re-read:

something is driving jedidiah's mind (literally, driving, if we use that motherfucking train as a metaphor), driving his 'project'. the same project thats literally causing the majority of the events of season 1.

all of this leads me to believe one thing about the conductor: he's not the conductor of the train—he's the conductor of the plot.

#chnt #camp here & there #camp here and there #chnt spoilers #im going bonkers #i dont need sleep i need answers type shtick you feel me?#ive connected the dots you didnt connect shit ive connected them

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friendshapedplant · 2 months

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would love to hear about your kirby ships that involve 'characters no one cares about' if youd like to share! i love seeing oddball ships that arent well known :) no pressure though!

Oh with pleasure!

Disclaimer these ships are very headcanon heavy, most except the first one involve reformed villains and primarily imagined in gijinkaverse. Bear w me here QwQb

Nightmare x Zero: TOXIC old man yaoi, big bad villains tryna take over the universe. Zero hates Nightmare's stupid lovey dovey antics, but it's either that or they fight one another for eternity and make no progress on their goals. Nightmare is fully aware of how much Zero hates it and finds it funny/adorable. Less romantic and more a shitty business deal they pretend is a marriage.

Galactic Nova x Kracko: Queerplatonic ancient beings that just want to stay out of the public eye, a silly and grumpy duo :3 Nova can fix Krackos cold ways tho

Dark Crafter x Yin-Yarn: More old man yaoi (30s-40s), you see the vision right. Do I gotta explain it. Okay just for clarity: Craft themed spinoff game villains. Flamboyant gay and chill gay. They're the "He ask for no pickles" meme.

Zero Two x Lor Starcutter: Both products of Halcandra and carry the weight as a couple of the last beings to personally bear its memory, and its hardly even good memories honestly. They're both such sweeties <3

Miracle Matter x Flutter: What do you mean you don't know Flutter (/sarcasm)??? I suppose at this rate this is just OC x Canon but do any these mfs really have any character??? I do what I want. They are an adorable t4t sapphic duo that also embody the "(s)he ask for no pickles" meme. I would say more but I'd have to write a whole ass fic to make anyone understand QwQ

Susie x Sectonia: Not sure how rare this really is, rooted in the audio drama. And don't question how Sec is still alive she got better or like necromancied back to life I dunno! Their fields of interest are Very Different but I think they have alot to learn from one another! Also powerful women team up 🤝 Sorry Taranza maybe you can go be this dynamic w Magolor but less cool /lighthearted

#asks #Anonymous #kirby series #kirby #original post #atlas.txt

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wiihtigo · 1 year

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hey this is a free range excuse to talk about phillmyeol cause i just got caught up immortal days and they're making me crazy. so many cool successfully hitched lesbians in one webcomic and that cockroach haired italian man is NEVER gonna hit it's so perfect i love it when love loses <3

TOXIC YAOI SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEP its actually crazy to me how theres not a single straight woman in immortal days and the range of relationships is so varied (personally....ofc my fav is matilda and billion diamond). truly the best comic of all time. idk i was talking abt this with my friend shayan just the other day but its like i like how niche id is but at the same time im like (searching for fanart) Guys where is everyone HELLO...ANYONE. pros and cons here. anyways i love them so much and ill kill myself in front of everyone if they dont get together IDGAF I NEED THEM TO BE DOING CORNY SHOUJO TROPES except i know if phill tries to share an umbrella with myeol he would speed up walking

#asks #i love immortal days bcuz its not just abt the toxicyaoi even though thats what everyone raves abt bcuz well. they are the protagonists.#the story and stuff is also really freaking good. i found myself really really impressed with the portrayal of myeols ptsd #like hes just genuinely a really interesting character. not the mention the developments with imaim in recent chapters. someone help me can #anyone hear me #its so dark in here #ouhhhh not to even mention myeol and ekins relationship. only time i cried reading this comic was in all dogs go to heaven arc

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talkingbl · 2 years

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BL Elitists & Snobbery in Fandom

Disclaimer: My favorite BLs of all time err on the "mature" side, harassing actors is bad, fanservice can be bad, shipping can be toxic, and I too am critical of certain aspects of fandom. Nobody's perfect but let's all try to at least be nice and better than we were yesterday.

Since the premiere of KinnPorsche, there's been an uptick in elitism in the BL fandom. Fans of shows such as KinnPorsche, Bad Buddy, Semantic Error, and other BLs with "mature" themes, BLs produced in East Asia, and/or BLs which cast seasoned actors, increasingly bad-mouth fans of shows like Cutie Pie and others which either exist as pure fluff or take a more trope-y approach to BL storytelling. As a watcher of your ITSAYs and Tonhon Chonlatee's alike, it's a strange sight.

I was already burnt out by all the pandering straights who only enjoy the finest of Taiwanese and Korean BLs and scold the fan service-laden Thai BLs. But it has reached a new level that's, quite frankly, exhausting. It's like, we get it, you want to see the gritty realism of a gay relationship in modern East Asia, you want the glossy production and the seasoned actors in Japan--and the "no-nonsense anti-shipping/fan service" culture in Korean fandoms.... At least that's what you say. But all I see is a need to feel superior and a clear xenophobia that just goes unaddressed. Let's talk about this in parts.

1. Stanning a "mature" BL doesn't make you a better person. Also, saying you have superior taste for stanning ITSAY and Gameboys because "it's LGBT, not BL" is not helpful to anyone.

Let's start here. I will die on the hill that BL is part of LGBT media. I get that people traditionally associate the former with fantastical depictions of gay relationships but I posit this: if Twilight can be classified as a heterosexual romance, with all its blatantly unrealistic and even toxic elements, why can't Dark Blue Kiss or Fish Upon the Sky be LGBT romances? Why must all gay media be about the struggle of being gay? Why can't LGBT-identifying people have a break from the overwhelmingly rough reality we face? It's like saying POC should be limited to films about facing structural racism and borderline modern-day caste systems. As if we can't enjoy an escape from reality like Aladdin or Black Panther or whatever it is that allows us to have all the things western white people have in their media. For some of us, BLs and GLs, however unrealistic they can get, is a fantasy we enjoy. Let those who want it, have it.

2. Trashing Thai BLs just seems like xenophobia at best and color/racial superiority complexes at worst.

Honestly, when people brag about how "Korea is coming for the BL industry" and how superior Korean BLs are, despite how homophobic, boring, and straight up scarce many Korean BLs and BL actors are, it gives "Kpop rappers are better than American rappers" vibes. Like, I have seen people PRAISE Korean and Japanese live-action BLs as superior to anything out of Thailand (and claim ITSAY to be an exception--of course) when the reality of it is is that Thailand is just far more prolific and has been in the live-action game since day 1. Now, I'm not gonna lie, Korea has it's foot on the Yaoi manhwa genre's neck, but that hasn't translated very well into live-action. Moreover, when asked why they prefer Korean BLs overall, these stans can never give a rational answer. But common themes I've noticed include how attracted they are to the MCs, how ~realistic they are (AN: they're not, see: Color Rush, Cherry Blossoms After Winter, and other big names out of Korea), or just how they're "refreshing" as compared with Thai BLs because they're ~above fan service and things like that.

But increasingly, I'm finding that the biggest KBL stans are also kpop stans who just prefer the Korean idol look where everybody is limited to some variation of pale skin, small faces, and eurocentric features. And before anyone tries to come for me, just look at kpop idols, watch documentaries about the toxic single beauty standard and culture, or just talk to your Korean friends (like I do!) The beauty standard is highly specific and everyone must conform to it lest they be ostracized for being "too dark", "looking SEA" (which, why is this an insult?), or "looking poor/old". I'm not saying this to demonize anybody's type, but it feels strange (again, borderline xenophobic) when people who have definitely fetishized that standard reject excellent media on the basis of it. These same people seem to exclusively enjoy BLs from Northeast Asia and/or the white west and wouldn't even give Thai, Filipino, or Black LGBT stories a chance. Again, to each their own but it's the false sense of superiority for me.

As for criticizing the fan service culture, these same fans try to justify their clearly baseless attacks on non-East Asian/white media by saying that, for example, the Thai industry is toxic. But the reality is, Japanese and Korean media practically invented OTT gay fanservice between the straights. Just look at the way kpop and jpop idols are with each other. And while it isn't as OTT with BL actors as it is with the idols, that's likely largely because of how much of a niche BL is in those places compared to the pop idols. There's also something to be said for the fact that LGBTQ+ people, while definitely still discriminated against, are much more visible in places like Thailand. I may be going out on a limb here but I propose that if live-action BLs were as popular in Korea and Japan as they are in Thailand, we'd see a hell of a lot more OTT fan service. And with the recent success of Semantic Error, I can definitely see it happening. You already see it with Taiwanese BLs (MaxHao (however real or not real), anyone?)

3. Letting us know that you're ~not like the other girls, and "don't fetishize gay relationships" is not only blatantly false but also mischaracterizes a lot of the situation.

Now the elephant in the room are those who still enjoy Thai BLs but are so loud about preferring the 1000 Stars' and Bad Buddy's because "there's no seme-uke dynamic and I like that because it makes the characters more real" or "the actors are really good friends behind the scenes and I stan the friendship, not the possible romantic relationship" or, even worse, the "it's none of my business what the actors do outside of the show and I don't ship real people, so I'm better than everyone else who does because that shows my allyship and how I don't even see sexuality." It's giving ACAB, BLM, yet screaming over Black voices vibes.

Now, I never want to trash true allies and I totally agree that it's important not to blur fiction and reality and that we need at least some realistic depictions of gay relationships. But when the hets start going on and on about it whilst at the same time only enjoying BL like it's a dirty secret and assuming actors are straight (but criticizing any notion that an actor may not be), and going on about how everything is fan service so they're just ~above it all anyway...it gives overcompensating for what you know to probably be a fetish within yourself. It gives "I enjoy looking at two hot guys I wish I could fuck go at it and don't want to stop, so I'll pretend like I'm down for the cause, when in reality, I am very much just like the other girls" (girls used gender-neutrally here lol). I don't know, it just seems so fake to me.

And while I'm not saying I prefer delusional, toxic, shippers, there's something to be said for not pretending to be better when, in fact, you aren't. Why can't you consume BL the same way you consume straight romances (or even GLs)? Why does it have to be some activist political thing when you do it? Like, obviously don't fetishize MLM relationships but, speaking as a minority in many senses of the word, the way to normalize non-traditional relationships isn't to constantly make a big deal out of how you think they should operate in media when the reality is, as long as no one is being harmed, diverse representation is the easiest and best way to present any group of individuals. Like, not all Asians know martial arts and are super smart, not all Black people are artistically and athletically gifted, not all white people are wealthy and powerful. Likewise, not all LGBTQ+ people live the same lifestyle. Some are heteronormative. Some are femme in femme/femme relationships. Some have a lot of sex, some don't have sex at all. Why can't we show all these perspectives and allow people to like what they like, again, and I stress, as long as no one is being harmed?

Like, yes, we should definitely not encourage delusional waanjais who give Gulf porn art of him and Mew, but, there's a happy medium where we can do away with harmful representations and actions toward marginalized groups but also celebrate their diversity and people's love of their stories. I just don't see why elitists have to act like they're above everyone else when they are really all in the same boat.

That said, I will still (playfully, of course) roast anyone who actually enjoys boring ass Check Out, because that shit is just horrible lmao. But the difference here is roasting someone's taste in media vs. acting like you're doing the community a favor by uplifting strong masc/masc, non-heteronormative, non fs-driven relationships. Like what you like, roast what you want to roast, just don't be pretentious about it as if you're taking some sort of political stance on it.

I understand I too may fall victim to shaming certain behaviors, but the key is in noticing you're doing it and reeling yourself in. Life is about happy mediums, not extremes.

Anyway, that's just my take.

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Gosh, I can't with these people shippering itafushi sukufushi, gofushi and all the other somethingfushi yaoi ships but went rage when you mention huge hints about Tsumiki calling it weird. I mean how is it weird, they're no blood siblings? Sigh

Hello dear anon.

Ok, let's take a breath together.

Inhale, 1-2-3-4... and exhale, 1-2-3-4...

I know. I totally get it. It's very frustrating.

This fandom's ship culture has turned sour and it's very unfortunate because shipping is so much fun.

And it’s not just about megumiki. It’s gojohime and any ship that the hive mind in general doesn’t like.

Instead of respecting each other's ships, it's become about how this ship is toxic and that ship is toxic too and you shouldn't like it and how wrong it is that you like it.

It’s extremely arrogant to think that you can police what others like or don’t like because you think people don’t understand the implications of a ship. You see that a lot in this fandom.

LE SIGH indeed!

If I may... it's not that megumiki doesn't have its fair share of "toxic". I personally head canon Megumi and Tsumiki probably do have an "unhealthy" attachment to each other. They were abandoned by their parents, after all. Each other is all they had.

As you say, they're also not blood related. So even if they call each other "brother" and "sister", they are choosing those labels for themselves. They could easily call each other "childhood friends". I personally think it's sweet they think of each other as siblings because it means its a very soulful bond that goes beyond blood.

They chose each other.

I like to think Gege was very intentional about them not being blood related.

But go ahead and explain that to a keyboard warrior who is only interested in standing on their moral high horse saying the kids should be protected from incest without actually understanding what it entails to actually protect kids who are victims of incest.

By the way, I've had to work with children who suffered from abuse and neglect, including incest, in my professional career as a social worker. It was heartbreaking. My shipping megumiki has absolutely nothing to do with those children.

But... whatever.

You know what I learned and decided upon recently?

Humans in general are dumb. Choose your battles. Love your ship. How's that for a slogan?

megumiki has become my self-insert, self-indulgent ship and I decided not to care what anyone else thinks about it.

And that's what shipping is about anyways. It's about how a ship moves your soul. It's not about the logic behind the ship.

In all honesty, takes about how a ship in jjk is toxic because of whatever logical reasons someone can come up with are so stupid to me because when we ship, we don't ship with our brain, we ship with our heart.

We also ship according to our psychoemotional level of maturity. So to judge someone for shipping something toxic when they are not able to see that yet for themselves is also arrogant and downright mean.

The irony is always when people denouncing other ships they don't like for "logical reasons", ship a pairing and clearly very much LOVE the pairing with their heart, and then use their brain to justify why they like the ship.

There's nothing wrong with loving a ship unless you're putting down other ships.

What's the point honestly? To feel better about yourself? 🤷🏻‍♀️ I guess it's kind of relatable.

Anyways, since I've opened that can of worms...

You know what pisses me off the most? It's when fans say that if you ship a hetero ship and say you don't see a particular pairing as gay, it's because you're homophobic.

🤦🏻‍♀️ someone please... the nerve...

My internet history be like:

*closes incognito tabs with gay media*

Also I'm bisexual and my favorite OTP pairings are mostly gay ships (with a few exceptions).

How would people who only ship gay ships like it if I said they are heterophobic and biphobic?

Honestly. When did shipping heteroships get canceled?

The oppressed became the oppressor...

Anyways! Thanks for reaching out and ranting with me.

Here's to seeing more megumiki moments in jjk! Fandom is going to loose their shit if Gege draws something ambiguous... that or they'll probably cancel the moment and completely deny the idea that Megumi saw Tsumiki as anything more than a sister.

But hey, to each their own. It's ok.

Haters gonna hate.

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As someone who has never played FF7 its always kind of funny to see FF7 characters be talked about, because I am aware of a bunch of the big general plot beats but also I know a lot of the cultural images of the FF7 characters from years of fan characterization and spinoffs so trying to reconcile the characters as symbols with the knowledge that the characters are characters can get kinda funny.

Zack's the biggest example of this, I think, because I only found out about his plot beats from cultural osmosis after years of the cultural image of Cloud and Sephiroth's toxic yaoi thing. So with him especially its hard to think about him and focus on the stuff I academically know actually matters.

So people talk about Zack and I go, yeah yeah The Tragedy and all that. But I also immediately think of how the Kingdom Hearts series does Final Fantasy character cameos that never really have major plot stuff going on, and they put Zack in a prequel game full of doomed characters because like. Of course. But because it's just a cameo Zack comes out of that game fine, except for an ominous black feather that floats down near him in the credits sequence.

So in my heart Zack's kind of like. An ill omen in presence. I see Zack and he feels like someone doing tarot readings flipped over The Tower. And then my brain catches up and goes "Well that's just because he is himself the protagonist of a doomed prequel" but its too late. It's like with Aerith where I see her and I think about The Obvious and then go "Well she's also a character in the game before That Happened".

oh god, yeah, i sure imagine!

ff7 is kind of a legendary game and i think that a lot of plotbeat have been talked about so often people just know it. Like Sephiroth's homoerotic obsession for Cloud gets brought up everytime Cloud gets added to a crossover game because Sephiroth is sure to follow (hi Smash bros), the Aerith's thing has been brought up time and time again, and then there's the KH games that had peppered some of the story lore here and there.

But i also think that players actually don't talk about a lot of the plotbeats. Not to mention the shipwar that ends up completely eclipsing the story and its themes at times.

(im vaguing a bit but this may be spoilery)

Zack is in this really weird position, especially before the remake came out, because Zack is simultaneously Square Enix's most popular male character (across all the games) and also a character who's massive element is that he had to remain a mystery for the longest time. (and it's why i have a problem with the remake just spoiling it right from the start).

Like, even i was introduced to the game by Zack's tragedy, but i didn't know about it going in, so to me i really jumped in to his last scene and then lost my mind.

But even so personally i played Crisis Core first, so i have a very distinct image of Zack in my head. Of the charming, cheerful, sweet, even if not the smartest boy, who joined in to follow his dreams only to realize he signed on for a nightmare he had no way to sign out of. To me Zack is the guy who tries to be so optimistic, blindly at first, then forcing himself to shut his eyes to be optimistic, then who realized he couldn't keep is eyes closed to it but he had to still hold on to hope, only for it to run him into the ground by the end of the game and he's just breaking under the weight of it all.

there's a lot of tragedy to Zack way past just How It Ends, and it fascinates me personally. But i also have a "got obsessed about Zack Fair when i was 12" disease so i have so much i could say for those last 17 years of stuff to talk about.

(also the feather in KH is a reference to two things: first, Zack's obsession with wings that follow him through the Prequel, and second, the implied fact both Sephiroth and Cloud have reason to be looking for him. in the KH mobile game from the way back they even had Cloud grabs the feather Zack was last seen in in the credits. and obviously that went nowhere since KH3 didn't include any of the FF characters in it. But i still remember.)

But i think Zack is also in a fascinating position because people don't want to talk about what's up, yet people mostly know he mattered to Cloud for an instant, and it makes going through the OG with just the knowledge "Zack mattered to Cloud" genuinely earthshaking.

I remember watching a let's play of a guy going into ff7 totally blind, he didn't know anything about it, and he took everything Cloud said at face value as you do without the benefit of foresight. And then Zack was namedropped, and Cloud reacted in a way the let's player didn't expect. And i remember the actual shock in the voice of the guy going "but. but wait isn't Zack the guy the prequel is about? what the hell is going on, why is he namedropped now, why is /this/ happening."

And, in the sense Zack haunts the narrative, is that if you know Zack exists, you'll start picking it up and it'll make you approach the game differently.

Zack was made from the start to haunt the narrative, meanwhile Aerith was there to be alive first. Everyone knows what happens to her, and sometimes people see her as a doomed figure, but people fail to realize that she is this doomed and sad /because she was so alive/, because she had so many plans for the future.

Another one who gets to be different than you'd expect at first is Sephiroth, because everyone knows how he is about Cloud /in the movie/late game/in the others content they appeared in/, but Sephiroth doesn't start out like that, neither in Crisis Core nor in the OG. And it's why i have beef with Sephiroth in the remake because it's "late game Sephiroth", not early game Sephiroth showing up.

And i think people know Sephiroth is a villain of legends that they just take it at face value, but it's not how he works. I was discussing with a friend who started ff7 by the remake and came to me really dubious because he thought a lot of things didn't make sense or broke the momentum and he was asking me to clarify. And the thing that took him out at the time was that he didn't understand how this Sephiroth is supposed to be anything "legendary". Like, nothing about his appearance in the remake was interesting to him and he was really peeved about it. The moment i told him "because Sephiroth doesn't appear in this part of the game originally and he has a slow built and doesn't start obsessing about Cloud until after their encounter in Junon" he understood everything, the moment i explained HOW Sephiroth was built of he got it. People know Sephiroth is a homoerotic threat to Cloud but people don't know how it actually built on that regard.

FF7 exists a lot in people mind in the way they think they know about it from what was told online, but trust me it's not the actual experience of the game. But how can you properly interreact with a game so legendary that it influenced so many new tropes? How do you come back to it? and so forth.

People in general will put it therefore in this type of gaming pedestal everyone has some idea on, seeing the characters more like archetype than they would know them.

but, yeah, personally i got into ff7 when i was 12 or so. I don't see them as archetypes as much as i see them as my friends. The plot of this saga is really dear to me in a way that runs way too deep (so deep i had to explain the plot to my therapist because it comes with "here's what you need to know about me")

ANYWAY i got lost in the sauce, but *coughs* i really do love how you explain the way you see Zack in particular though. Like, the way he's an omen. You are actually super right in a way you can't even imagine. Everything we know about Zack brings a reckoning and it's just. He's really my favorite example of "haunting the narrative". Once you know how he does, everything builds up only for it to explode when it comes to it.

Anyway. I could ramble about that all day long i have so many ff7 thoughts. There's def something about "what people expect from decade of cultural osmosis" vs "what's actually in the game", all of which also got muddied by the additions to the franchise.

but. yeah. man.

anyway very glad to be your window into what it is when you've been made insane by ff7. There's so much i could say, not enough time,

But thank you for reading o7

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