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#this is about spike from buffy
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nooo don’t learn from the error of your ways aha you’re so sexy 💕
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the-crooked-library · 3 months
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does anyone else think about Spike and Giles looking at each other and seeing a personification of the most despised and vulnerable aspects of their own past or is it just me
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clarkgriffon · 2 months
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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER + Episode Titles in Dialogue
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lilatara · 3 months
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just thinking about how despite AtS trying to portray it as comedic bickering amongst bros, Spike actually has decades worth of reasons to hate Angel, while Angel has remarkably few reasons to hate Spike. And it should maybe be concerning that from School Hard on, Angel adopts an absolute "don't see what this has to do with me" reaction to him?
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raisedbythetv89 · 14 days
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The writers I think mostly completely by accident with the assistance of James charming his way into becoming a main character created the perfect storm to ensure people who love spike would reach absolute peak levels of being completely obsessively deranged about him forever
Season 2:
He’s a punk rock villain with killer cheekbones, enchanting eyes, and an absolutely DEVILISH smile - who’s an incredibly dedicated and dangerous fighter who specifically seeks out challenging fights he’s not guaranteed to win (brave and reckless - normally traits seen in heroes) hates everyone except his mentally ill physically sick wife (the statistics of men who leave their wives when they get sick in the US is horrifying like nurses literally have to warn married women who get sick it happens so often) who he’s hopelessly devoted to and unbelievably soft with and always listens to her while also exuding a psychotic amount of sex appeal and is just F U N he loves being a vampire and he loves fighting and it makes it so much fun for the audience. While still showing how much he respects and admires his enemy for her skill, strength, resourcefulness, and intelligence - NEVER underestimating her just because she’s a tiny blonde girl - and instead of destroying the world for love he SAVES the world for love - a villain doing good to get the love of his life back who essentially dumped him for her ex????????? D E V O T E D and shockingly extremely trustworthy??? And has amazing chemistry with our heroine and is there for a pivotal moment in her life and is the only one there for her when she has no one else????? *enemies to lovers girlies ENTER THE CHAT*
Season 3:
He shows he fucking MEANS IT when he says Dru is the love of his life when he shows up in Sunnydale because he blames Angel not Buffy or Drusilla but the man actually responsible for all their problems and he is the most pathetic mess we’ve ever SEEN!!!! He’s crying and drunk all the time and he’s so sad he goes to Buffy’s mom TO TALK 💀😭 our pathetic sensitive little self admitted lover boy who KNOWS he’s love’s bitch and he won’t be pretending he’s anything otherwise who shows how clearly he sees and understands other people and the depths of his emotional intelligence so much so Buffy herself admits she can’t fool Spike she can fool her friends BUT NOT SPIKE OR HERSELF EXCUSE ME MA’AM WHAT???????
AND Spike doesn’t just uselessly MOPE forever he gets some perspective and is like I know what I’m gonna do to her back and I’m gonna go do that now! 😁👍🏻 showing he never stays down for long and is always gonna get back up to keep fighting for his love while BOTH he and Buffy still honor the truce even though he’s broken it by coming back??? While Buffy’s all “I violently dislike you” YEAH OK GIRL WHATEVER YOU SAY *enemies to lovers girlies chomping at the bit intensifies*
Season 4:
CLEARLY heartbroken about Drusilla (DEVOTED!!!) but it’s turned into anger and resentment directed at Harmony who how bizarre looks nothing like Drusilla but A LOT like Buffy…… hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HOW INTERESTING *enemies to lovers girlies are vibrating with anticipation that turns into a full blown combustion when something blue happens*
Spike doesn’t pretend to love Harmony in order to get what he wants from her (shown in direct contrast to Parker) he’s ironically very honest despite being a villain - he’s showing he’s STILL loyal to Drusilla in ONLY loving her even after she’s dumped him... again!
We see Spike treat Buffy the EXACT same way he treated Drusilla during something blue reaffirming THIS IS HOW THIS MAN LOVES WHEN HE LOVES YOU. He’s extremely affectionate, helpful, protective, caring - D E V O T E D - and is truly just the most certified lover boy we’ve ever fucking seen
Season 5:
SURPRISE HE’S SECRETLY A LOVESICK MAMA’S BOY POET AT HEART UNDERNEATH THE BAD BOY PERSONA AND A PROTECTIVE BIG BROTHER AND NOW BUFFY AND HER FAMILY’S MOST LOYAL DEFENDER AND IS WILLING TO DIE NOT JUST FOR BUFFY BUT FOR ALL THE SUMMERS WOMEN AND HE KNOWS AND SEES BUFFY SO DEEPLY AND INTIMATELY AND CAN HOLD SPACE FOR HER PAIN LIKE NO ON ELSE CAN AND SHOWS THE DEVOTION THAT ONCE BELONGED TO DRUSILLA NOW BELONGS TO BUFFY AND IT IS GOING NOWHERE EVEN WHEN SHE DIES AND WE'VE SEEN IN HIM CRY BEFORE BUT NEVER HAVE WE SEEN HIM BREAK DOWN LIKE HE DOES AT THE SIGHT OF BUFFY'S BODY!!!!!!!!!!!
*all of us screaming, crying, throwing up, climbing the walls and generally just losing our minds*
Season 6:
No soul, his love is so great for Buffy as is his loyalty and devotion to her, he now helps all of his dead love’s friends fight evil and is raising her sister and dreams of saving her every night for 148 nights 🤚🏻😭 don’t even fucking talk to me I can’t take it
Forgive the absolute 180 in tone change here:
Dick game is FIRE - his touch is the only thing that makes Buffy feel alive AND SHE WAS IN HEAVEN BRO SHE KNOWS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE IN HEAVEN AND SPIKE IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING HER GOING like damn girl yes YOU FUCK THAT HOUSE DOWN!!! Also he is now just naked 50% of the time just to drive us all even FURTHER out of our minds and somehow has just gotten even hotter as the seasons have gone on like this is what’s been hiding under the leather jacket all this time! Enjoy!
And THE MOST unintended consequence of jw’s vindictive writing:
SPITE
He clearly didn’t want us to love Spike and tried to manipulate us into hating him in such a blatant and clumsy ooc attempt all that did was weed out the weakest amongst the Spuffy/Spike fans until all that remained were us:
The most devoted and stubborn fans who REFUSED to have the thing they loved ruined or taken away from us and were smart enough to see through his bullshit manipulation attempt in the first place.
Genuinely they created the equivalent of supersoilder strength level fans with this absolutely lethal combination of events 💀
AND THEN as if all that wasn't enough he goes and gets his soul on purpose for Buffy so he can be the man she deserves and she can love him without hating herself for loving him despite the immense pain it will cause him which is the most selfless thing we have ever seen anyone do for Buffy only to be topped when he sacrifices himself to destroy the hellmouth, save the world and free her from Sunnydale!!! Plus ya know once he gets the soul even though he did it for her he never tries to use that as leverage to get anything from her like he truly expects nothing from her at all but still wants to help her and James delivers the most devastating performances we've ever fucking seen, finally tells her friends off which has needed to happen for 5 seasons, the "you're the one speech" him being a dad to all the potentials with Buffy giving us supernatural parent core who made it through their rough patch with their first kid in season 6 with Dawn and now are just the beautiful team with their found family and Buffy finally has someone who can truly carry her burdens with her and just all the tenderness and devotion they both deserve after so many years of pain and fighting. Basically giving the audience the message that even if you have a metric ton of pain and trauma there are people out there who see you and understand you and there is a chance for you to heal both together and separately to build your own version of a more normal and stable life. It's a message of such hope and I personally know several people, including myself who watched what Spike and Buffy have and it inspired us to look at the relationships we were in and realize we deserved SO MUCH MORE than what we were getting and in my case it turned out I was being emotionally abused and manipulated that entire time!! Much like Buffy was by both Riley and Angel. So it isn't an exaggeration to say Spuffy saved my life in a lot of ways both in being there for me at such a dark time and helping me draw a map of how to get out. Not to mention loving them in fandom spaces has helped me connect with so many people just like me who share very similar experiences and have helped me feel so much less alone and has helped me heal in so many ways 🖤
Spuffies get "hOw cAn yOu liKe sPiKe aFtEr wHaT hE dId" all the fucking time and truly the better question is how can you NOT like Spike???? HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION AT ALL??? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT GOOD RELATIONSHIPS NEED TO WORK?? BECAUSE AT THEIR CORE SPUFFY HAS THEM ALL!
It's jw writing so NOTHING will escape his toxic bullshit but Spike - because he was hated by jw for so long - so much of the time when he tried to make Spike less popular he just kept making him better and more complex and more and more targeted to the female gaze which is exactly why he snapped and made the choices he literally forced everyone else to go along with despite their protests with that scene to make it the most traumatizing scene in all of Buffy history not just for the audience but for the actors as well because yes it is incredibly horrific and upsetting to watch (which is why I skip it on rewatches) but I still am able to see if for what it is which is a narcissist lashing out at people he hates because he hasn't been able to control them and too bad for him I refuse to be manipulated by his bullshit so it failed completely and made so many of us that much more stubbornly protective of Spike and his and Buffy's relationship not just from other fans but from the creator himself 🙃🖕🏻like he basically just trauma bonded us to Spike and Buffy which has led to the creation of one of the most devoted, loyal, intelligent fanbases who is absolutely unhinged (affectionate) with their love of this character and his relationship which is why we are all still creating and writing about this character 25 year later and show absolutely zero signs of slowing down or stopping 💀
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lobsterfork · 10 months
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so close to a realisation
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moistvonlipwig · 10 months
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fundamentally i do think a big part of the reason spike is such a more interesting character than his many bargain bin imitators that have cropped up over the years is because the writers simply could not agree on who he was or what the fans should think of him. spike would not be nearly as good a character if it weren't for david fury's disdain for him or joss whedon's resentment of him or jane espenson's love for him etc. none of those individual writers could write spike but together with the other buffyverse writers they managed to create a very compelling, if admittedly sometimes confusingly written, character. many bargain bin spikes otoh are written by writing teams who all uncritically love them and want the fans to love them too and that is simply not how a proper spike should be written...it's just not!
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badfandomurl · 1 year
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2x03 | 6x03
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darkfire359 · 2 years
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There aren’t enough subby monsters in fiction. For some reason, a lot of people think that if a monster is huge and terrifying, bloodthirsty and evil, feral and vicious, filled with supernatural strength and power, et cetera et cetera, then the monster should be the dom in their monster/human relationship. But this doesn’t have to be the case!
I want to see:
- masochistic vampires who like getting holy water dripped on them in the same way a human might like waxplay
- dom humans who only offer their blood when their vampiric partner is on their knees and told to suck, or cradled in the human’s lap and gently offered a wrist
- werewolves that happily wear a leash and collar, or who enjoy the burn of being restrained in silver handcuffs
- eldritch horrors from the briny depths who want nothing more to be gently romanced and told that they’re pretty
… and so much more.
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angelthemanspanker · 2 months
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The way some people characterise Buffy in fics like you described genuinely put me off Buffy fandom for years, it was absolutely everywhere, in Spuffy fics, in faith/buffy fics, it felt like I couldn't read a fic without the obligatory 'Buffy apologises to whoever the fuck for being so mean' and I just stopped, it was so baffling
For real its so weirdly pervasive. It genuinely blows my mind bc I totally get the urge to use your fic to call out a character/plot point you don't like, more power to you. Like I'm constantly imagining rewrites of the scenes where Xander is at his most insufferable but no one in-show is verbalising obvious holes in his bullshit (my big one is that besides a one off line from Buffy that everyone in the show ignores and a DELETED line from Giles is that NO ONE calls him on his absolutely infuriating "I was jealous of Angel being with the girl I like and I'm gonna have the gall to pretend it was bc I saw him turning evil coming" BULLSHIT)
But like. Buffy? You came out of this show and the person you had beef with and want to call out is BUFFY? THE VAMPIRE SLAYER? The protagonist of all time? Bc she's mean sometimes :( people try to apologise for trying to kill her and she's so unsympathetic :( she carries out her responsibility as the Slayer whether she wants to or not even if the person she's targeting is a character I like :( why won't she apologise. why won't she apologise. why does she insist on taking up space. why can't she just be nice all the time. yes my ao3 tag is princessspuffy why do you ask. yeah I know their relationship is abusive but I think Spike would forgive her :)
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gh-0-stcup · 8 months
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Forever obsessed with 3x04 Beauty and The Beasts. The way Pete is both foil and parallel to the Buffyverse's male love interests. How it can be taken in many ways and is simply presenting something to the audience and asking them to consider it.
Pete, a boy turned violent as a side effect of a strange science experiment. His violence is fueled by his jealousy and turned on his girlfriend. When he calms down, she forgives him. It's the substance, it turns him into a monster. It's not Pete.
But the lines between Pete and the monster he becomes are blurry at best. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the violence and rage is truly a part of him or not - Debbie dies either way.
What does this say for the monstrous men in the Buffyverse? Most of them had the monster forced upon them by others. Their monster is can be an asset - both Oz and Angel defend against Pete in this episode. Angel, Oz, and even Spike all attempt to tame their monstrous side throughout the course of the show.
There is also a greater distinction between their monsters and their human side - souled vs soulless, werewolf under the full moon. But the more these characters are explored, the more blurred the lines become. Oz is the wolf and the man, all the time. ATS hints to a deep darkness ever present, but largely controlled, within Angel. Spike is...Spike.
And at the end of the day, what difference does the line between monster and man really make for their lovers? They are still to varying degrees, dangerous individuals to be around. Are these relationships truly worth pursuing?
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horsegirlhob · 4 months
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I'm not an Angel hater by any means however I do think Spike should get to be as big of a dick to him as he wants to be and people shouldn't get to say shit about it.
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grapecaseschoices · 5 days
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@plasticdodecagon: Audacity
"Here," Firmly, Kendis pressed the hand-made pamphlet against the passing student's chest. Her fingers slipped away as the -- [Junior? Senior? Wait, no. He looked ... familiar? (Her eyes flicked down, and she glanced at the textbook dangling in his hands; it was 10th-grade English ...) Get out of town! This ... Fee Fi Fo Fum was a Sophmore??What bull hormones did they slip into his Coco Puffs?] -- dude grabbed onto folded paper.
Her brows furrowed as lips pinched together and pressed into a flat line. "Um." Her mouth needed a moment to catch up with the wheelies her brain was doing - (Was he on steroids?) - but once she did, she plowed on as if nothing happened, "Vote Stewert Langley for Class President! You want change from the audaciously good-for-nothing council we had last year? You'll look into Langley! His stats speak for themselves. Check out the pamphlet. I made it myself." 
"Uh, s-sure?" Stuttered the Goliath-Who-Apparently-Was-A-Sophmore-But-Whose-Name-She-Didn't-Recall-But-Was-Definitely-Thinking-She-Should-Learn-Because-Then-She-Could-Skip-Out-On-Borrowing-The-Janitor's-Ladder-To-Put-Up-Banners (also hand-made).
Kendis' lips quirked in a small, yet pleased, smile as they gave him a sharp nod of satisfaction, "Then I'll see you tonight, yeah? We're holding an information session after school!" 
She moved sharply forward, excited about filling their meeting numbers, but her efforts were met with multiple steps back. He looked a bit startled. Kendis frowned abruptly but remained still.
"Err, I'll - I'll think about it." 
"Do that. There'll be cookies. And it'll count toward your activity participation credits." 
'Goliath' blinked rapidly. It took an exorbitant amount of self-control for Kendis not to start bouncing on the balls of her feet in response. But she couldn't suppress her grin. She knew she'd gotten him. It was near the end of the school year, and everyone needed more activity credits. People were consistently always short. Making attending campaign meetings a way to reach those credits had been her idea. 
She'd told Langley that picking her as a manager was a sure thing. There was no doubt in her mind that he'd win. He was going to win and crush those --
"Okay. Okay, sure! I'll be there tonight. Thanks!"
"No problem Gol -- guy. See you there!" 
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mollspeak · 2 years
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have never seen a cisgender vampire in media. not once.
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raisedbythetv89 · 5 months
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Buffy fandom content that’s largely “let’s shame the spuffy and spike girlies!” (girlies used genderlessly) by constantly telling us how bad/wrong/fucked up/sick/crazy/in need of therapy we are under the guise of “concern” for us is so crazy and so funny and so embarrassing for those creators because they’re literally just joss whedon 2.0:
Hating/shaming/finger wagging and acting morally superior to a character/ship and their fans but at the same time being COMPLETELY dependent on said character/ship/fans you spend the majority of your time dumping on!! Like what on earth would you do for content if you took away the thing you spend 70-90% of your time shitting on??? Angel only got a 5th season BECAUSE of Spike - do you realize how crazy that is??? Joss spent all this time trying and failing to destroy Spike’s character because “it wasn’t the Spike show” (screamed in James’ face by joss as he is pinning him against a wall - there’s a guy who’s footsteps you want to follow in!) and then he’s using Spike as a way to save Angel just a few years later 💀💀💀 THAT IS SO EMBARRASSING FOR JOSS AND ANGEL 😹😹😹😹
Like I am so sorry you do not understand spuffy and spike - truly. If you don’t love him and spuffy I genuinely feel sad for you because you are missing out on SO MUCH FUN, beauty, gut wrenching heart ache, angst, healing, tenderness, absolute poetry and all around sexy, slutty time - spuffy is the ship that has EVERYTHING, performed by two absolutely PHENOMENAL actors with bonkers chemistry. Spuffy just is that girl proven by the fact that the haters are making podcasts and writing books just to shit on us (like we didn’t already cover all of it enough from the show’s creator, the patriarchy and the show itself???) DECADES later 😹😹😹
So my darling Spuffys - please don’t take these people’s misogyny and self hatred to heart. I know we’re all often chronically misunderstood and it can be so frustrating to witness a beloved character or ship endure the same treatment of being so horribly misunderstood and to see others support them but truly they’re just FURIOUS angel didn’t do what Spike did and that he doesn’t waste his time moping and hating himself and helps buffy to do the same. They’re hating from outside a club they can’t even get into because they don’t have the media literacy, emotional intelligence, and self confidence in who they are as people to love characters who are naughty and have fun doing it 😈
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I've been thinking about Drusilla cheating on Spike. I firmly believe that she loved him, so the explanation that she did it because she didn't care about him is not it for me. Now, I definitely don't think cheating is okay and what she did obviously hurt Spike. I just feel like there was some sort of a rationale behind it, it wasn't some random thing she did without any reason.
Since Drusilla was sired, she's always had her family (and everything else they are), the Whirlwind, with her. Angelus killed her human family but then she gained a new one, something she clearly cherished. At first it was her, Darla and Angelus and later she sired Spike.
Then, all of a sudden, Angelus is gone and some time after that Darla leaves as well. I believe Drusilla was definitely hurt by that but she and Spike still had each other.
In Sunnydale Drusilla unexpectedly get's Angelus back and is obviously happy about it. (Their relationship is a whole other topic.) It's her, Spike and Angelus together again but not for too long. After Spike's betrayal – because that's how I imagine she sees it – she loses Angelus again. (Which would hurt her regardless, but – their relationship being what it is – she's likely even more messed up about it.) However, I think Drusilla and Spike's relationship would have survived that situation and they would have stayed together.
But then she starts seeing the Slayer floating all around Spike and he's 'covered with her'. I feel like Drusilla can see at least pieces of where he's headed and she's heartbroken about it. She knows, sees, that they're not going to stay together even though nothing's actually happened yet.
That means Drusilla's going to be truly alone for the first time since she was sired. All of her loved ones are going to be actually gone from her life. At this point Darla's dead and – depending on how much Drusilla knows – Angelus is either dead or resouled. Spike's future leads away from her.
In my opinion, the knowledge that she's going to lose the last person remaining in her family, someone she truly loves, is too much for her and that's what drives her to cheat on Spike. Her family's broken and she's going to be on her own, abandoned. From her perspective, Spike is, in a way, already gone and she needs to figure out how to go on by herself. I also feel like maybe she finds someone first so that she can't be the one who's left behind, all alone.
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