#this fandom is so racist

[lagosbratzdoll]

I find it odd and by odd I mean racist that ever since that stupid show cast the Dragon Twins as Black girls, there's been an uptick in Jace/Sara content/shipping.

Before the dumpster fire started, reasonable people agreed that Sara Snow was not real, but now you cannot go five minutes in Jace or Baela’s tag without seeing someone wish they'd include Sara Snow in the show.

They say it'll deepen Jace’s character and make him “interesting”, whatever that means. The problem with this assertion is that Jace is already plenty interesting, he led the war councils while his mother grieved, and he recruited the blacks' most important allies. Allies who remained steadfast even after his mother's and his own demise.

Furthermore, Jace has existing relationships in his life that the show could explore to delve into his connection with bastardy. Three of whom are canonically Black, by the way.

So, the question arises: what unique perspective or insight can Sara Snow provide to Jace's struggle with his bastard status that Nettles, Addam, and Alyn cannot?

#i was going to leave it alone because i’m tired of talking about antiBlackness in general but i saw a post that annoyed me in Baela’s tag. #this fandom is so racist #it is genuinely exhausting that i cannot even scroll a characters tag in peace #it is telling that most of y’all skip all the canonical Black bastards to attach yourselves onto a white character whose in world existence #is debated #how would reducing baela to the other woman in her own relationship help her character? #would that not just repeat the disgusting precedent that the show runners set with laena #why can’t she be loved and cherished and missed and treated with tenderness #house of the dragon #baela targaryen #jace velaryon #nettles #addam velaryon #alyn velaryon #sara snow #had to get that out of my system #back to ignoring asoiaf discourse as best i can

[emahriel]

as my good friend and i like to remind each other:

don't yuck people's yum. if you do so, at least keep it in the dms. no point in making people feel absolutely miserable for liking a certain thing, for having an oc you don't like - whatever it is. people constantly hating just for the sake of hating truly sour the fandom experience on social medias. there's a problem if the only way you feel better is by making others feel like crap.

and you, who shares the things you love online, who creates original characters and talks about their ships - know that you will never be able to please everyone and that's okay. don't let it stop you from sharing what you love, if it brings you happiness then keep doing it. you don't owe anyone anything, if what you like somehow upsets people, they can very easily just block you and move on. it's really that simple!

#em: txt #if we're calling out people for being racist or having VERY problematic opinions and shit then yeah by all means #but lord... just because you don't like someone's oc design; ship concept or opinion on a video game cutscene #doesn't mean you should be an asshole about it #this is something i've encountered in every fandom i've been in so far #i wish “block” wasn't perceived as this truly terrible and malicious thing - i honestly just see it as a space curating tool

[jaskierx]

how on earth are there still people in the notes of that new still being like ‘how will ed know what it says? he can’t read?’

i think he might be able to read folks. i think the show might be trying to convey he’s able to read by showing him Reading a Letter

#there’s so much evidence he can read you guys are just racist #ofmd #ofmd s2 spoilers #fandom critical #edward teach #lyse.jpg

[fuckmeyer]

blows my mind there's not even a Chinese coven in The Twilight Saga. no Indian coven. only ONE coven in the Middle East/Africa: EGYPTIAN. no Greek coven, no Iranian coven, no Afghan coven, no Ethiopian coven, no Nigerian coven; FUCK ancient civilizations i guess! no one in South or Central America but the AMAZONS???? for real?????? the POTENTIAL to incorporate LEGENDS and HISTORY and CULTURE — wasted! i CANNOT with this author thinking the only vampire civilizations exist in Europe & America!! fuck off directly into the sun!!!

#you know what the worst part of this is???? #it's actually better off they don't exist because you KNOW Meyer will just depict them as RACIST CARICATURES #this tag is sponsored by Maria 'her features were clearly Mexican' [NO LAST NAME GIVEN] #and of course the 'wild' 'feral' Amazons #oh and lest we forget Amun 'all Egyptians look the same' [last name] #OH AND LEST WE FORGET #THE ENTIRE NATIVE TRIBE MEYER APPROPRIATED & COLORED W/ RACIST TROPES & STEREOTYPES JUST TO PROFIT OFF OF W/O GIVING BACK ANYTHING TO THEM #yeah it's such a shame actually this author is so ignorant bc this series could have been batshit insane with coolness #whatever you won't hear me complaining too much - that's what this fandom is for #saddle up twilight bitches we ride at dawn #twilight #twilight renaissance #the twilight saga #twilight saga

[piratecaptainscaptainpirates]

Once again, I can't think of anything better and more concise to say on the matter than this.

Ed "stans?" Ed "apologism?" You mean the fucking show? You mean the show Ed is a main character in, that goes out of its way to depict his relationship with violence as complex and nuanced? You mean the show that continually tells us Ed is a complicated man with a great deal of trauma related to violence, who is horrified by his own capacity to perform violence when required of him? You mean the show that writes Ed as an extremely sympathetic and likeable character? The show that asks us to consider Ed's relationship with violence as a tool of self-preservation, yes, but also shows us Ed's pain and heartbreak?

If you're talking about that show then call me an Ed stan I guess

#ofmd #our flag means death #i'm still so sad it's too much to ask for a fandom not to be racist about a brown main character #why do ed's tears mean nothing to some people! #calling fans of the main character of a show “apologists” and “stans” is just. a weird take honestly

[chrollohearttags]

y’all don’t get to exclude us from media in every capacity, make it clear that black people have no place in your stories, push us to make our own spaces and then get pissed off when we write things specifically for us. The only thing y’all can do is eat a fucking dick.

#we literally cannot resonate with any of the fandoms we write for from a canonical standpoint #bc we’re not included in them #“the dark skin made me uncomfortable #good bitch!!! I hope it does #cherry chats 🍒 #this is your sign to make that fanfic black as hell #so niggafied it makes the racists uncomfortable #I need hellcats gold grills and chains everywhere #cause y’all piss me off

[miraclemaya]

im never gonna get over "it's actually bad to talk about the racism in the things you like" especially coming from a 40k fan. who said i had neurological damage because i guess that's not ableist or racist.

#and the fucking guy who started this shit is famously an attack on titan fan like come on #also i love the implications that i give a shit about homestuck because painting me as 'fandom brained' makes it easier for her to act like #idm im the real racist here like i don't give a shit about homestuck just fundamentally i think mocking people for talking about the bigoted #elements of something they like is bad actually. i think it would be good if white people talked about racism ever #instead of pretending it's not there or giving a half assed 'oh that's so racist' and that's it

[numberonepartyboy]

congrats to toshiro for being the first male victim of fandom misogyny

#i just saw someone tell that they hate him bc he is in the way of f_rcille. goodbye im killing myself #LIKE.....HOW COULD YOU NOT SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THATTT #ARE YOU STUPIDDD #IDGAF THAT YOU LIKE YOUR WHITE SHIP DONT FUCKING GO BE RACIST TO HIM WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU #but errmmm its okay bc he a MAN!!!! and a CREEP and a mysoginyst!!! he manic pixie dream girl'd falin!!!! <- SARCASM #can you pls not hate on my autistic asian guy. bc of white ppl #dunmeshi #fandom racism #also if you hate him AT LEAST USE HIS NAME. HIS REAL NAME!!! TOSHIRO!!! GOOODDDDDD #'he owned slaves' THATS HIS DAD. HIS FATHER. AN AUTHORITATIVE FIGURE. HE CANT SPEAK UP ITS A NUANCE BC YOU CANNOT SPEAK BACK TO YUR PARENTT #and also the fact that hes the eldest so i sympathize with him sm. as an eldest sibling #jesus christ. im so tired of this fandom i dont think i can ever fucking interact with it. i hate this. #im reusing this joke fuck you #rant #dungeon meshi #toshiro nakamoto

[brother-emperors]

you're SO right, how is it that the best portrayal of many italian renaissance figures comes from a bad videogame from the 2010s

wheezing I’m torn between going truly this is the best portrayal of Leonardo da Vinci we may ever get, and defending AC2 even though I’m a full time Ezio Saga Hater

#I’m a Desmond Era + Origins fan in a ride or die kind of way but the Ezio games suck ass compared to 1 and 3 #however AC2 is miles above the European Era games and Odyssey butchers the use of Ezio’s theme so bad I will never forgive them #also Odyssey is legitimately bad. AC2’s biggest problem is that the story is narratively weak and holds it’s punches #I mostly hate the Ezio saga because the fandom was really fucking racist (still is!) and it could’ve been good!!! #but I have a deep seated fondness for the parts of it that were good. the game after all is still asking you to live even when it’s hard #the opening and the music are unparalleled and legendary. I just wish it kept that up throughout the story instead of #trying for a wider appeal but the story fucks up it’s own themes and bc the simplicity of it’s assassin/templar line up is baffling #there is also an AC2 that exists in my head that takes place in Venice lmao but that’s much more spy thriller #also did anyone here read the novelizations. Ezio and Machiavelli are so fucking married. 10/10 no notes #Ascanio is also mentioned in the brotherhood novelization iirc so. we stay winning!!

[elumish]

I think it's possible to both acknowledge that fandom, as with so many spaces, is experiencing some of the creeping purity-culture stuff related to sex and non-Christian-traditional sexual content and also that fandom has a massive bigotry problem (most notably racism, but also misogyny, ableism, aro/ace-phobia, transphobia, biphobia, etc) and also a white nationalist/supremacist and pro-fascism problem (living largely though not exclusively in the HP and SW fandoms).

And part of this requires recognizing that a critique that a sexual thing is bad because it's "icky" or "problematic" or whatever is fundamentally different from a critique that something (even a sexual or shipping thing) is bigoted. And people have got to stop shutting down every critique of a ship as though they are the same purity culture nonsense.

The other part is recognizing that not all critiques of fandom have anything to do with shipping. Not everything is about sex. There are other things that people have been critiquing in fandom for a long time, and when people dismiss it all as just being part of a ship war, they are not only not bothering to try to understand what is being critiqued, they are doing a huge disservice to the fandom community at large by keeping it from being able to improve.

I absolutely want to live in a space where people are able to write and read slash fiction and kink and weird stuff and dark stuff. But I also want to live in a space that doesn't continue to drive away Fans of Color rather than listening to and respecting them, and that acknowledges the existence of bi people, and that treats women with respect, and that lives up to the progressive ideals that people keep saying fanfiction and fandom express.

#fandom #ethical writing #i'm so tired guys #let's stop pretending that being queer and/or liking queer stuff automatically makes people unable to be racist

[findafight]

Some people say 'I love Steve' but the way they talk about him is just? My dude, you don't even know him.

"I love Steve!" They say, and then say things like they're fact about a man who is not even Steve that they made up in their heads lmao. Pure Clownery. Sometimes those things are mean and sometimes they just don't make sense.

Like Steve as a blushing and delicate nervous flower?? He is confident and charming and goofy! Yeah he's sweet but not docile. Who is this man they're talking about. What is happening there. Let him be suave.

Steve as an unrepentant bully? He was homophobic to Jon and insulted his family and then got his ass beat and realized oh no I shouldn't have done or said all that it was really bad and went to fix it and apologize? He mostly ignored people, didn't realize they existed (like Robin said) Maybe he and or Tommy/Carol spread a rumour or two, but I highly doubt they ruined anyone's life. Literally just a rich mean girl kinda guy who could make a bitchy remark and barely registered anyone not on his radar. Annoying and a jerk, but not horrible. Being popular requires people to like you, remember.

Being a doormat who never complains? Please. Steve complains all the time. He makes muttered remarks about things the kids do or say. He rolls his eyes like it's going out of style. He says no! He kvetches with the best of them (Robin)! He cares and helps but my god he's not doing it quietly.

Who is this man why is he so different from the Steve I know and love?

#or that the worst possible thing he could do is continue to like sports as though its a moral failing and crime of the highest order #A portion of this fandom has fallen for the duffer brothers anti-sports propaganda and the false nerd/jock dichotomy #and the seeming belief that it's a nerd=good jock=bad when that is simply not the case. Narrative wise in stranger things it is because #it refuses to confront Eddie being a dickhead to Lucas and Steve now being openly kind while still liking sports #i feel ive mentioned that before but its so fucking annoying #as though so many nerds arent unrepentant assholes and racist and misogynist #steve harrington #stranger things #findaanswers #anonasaurus #finda's rambles

[kaladinkholins]

Seeing fan discussions about Blue Eye Samurai and especially Mizu's identity is so annoying sometimes. So let me just talk about it real quick.

First off, I have to emphasise that different interpretations of the text are always important when discussing fiction. That's how the whole branch of literary studies came to be, and what literary criticism and analysis is all about: people would each have their own interpretation of what the text is saying, each person applying a different lens or theory through which to approach the text (ie. queer theory, feminist theory, reader response theory, postcolonial theory, etc) when analysing it. And while yes, you can just take everything the authors say as gospel, strictly doing so would leave little room for further analysis and subjective interpretation, and both of these are absolutely necessary when having any meaningful discussion about a piece of media.

With that being said, when discussing Blue Eye Samurai, and Mizu's character in particular, I always see people only ever interpret her through a queer lens. Because when discussing themes of identity, yes, a queer reading can definitely apply, and in Mizu's story, queer themes are definitely present. Mizu has to hide her body and do her best to pass in a cisheteronormative society; she presents as a man 99% of the time and is shown to be more comfortable in men's spaces (sword-fighting) than in female spaces (homemaking). Thus, there's nothing wrong with a queer reading at all. Hell, some queer theorists interpret Jo March from Little Women as transmasc and that's totally valid, because like all analyses, they are subjective and argumentative; you have the choice to agree with an interpretation or you can oppose it and form your own.

To that end, I know many are equally adamant that Mizu is strictly a woman, and that's also also a completely valid reading of the text, and aligns with the canon "Word of God", as the creators' intention was to make her a woman. And certainly, feminist themes in the show are undeniably present and greatly colour the narrative, and Episode 4 & 5 are the clearest demonstrations of this: Mizu's protectiveness of Madame Kaji and her girls, Mizu's trauma after killing Kinuyo, her line to Akemi about how little options women have in life, and the way her husband had scorned her for being more capable than him in battle.

I myself personally fall into the camp of Mizu leaning towards womanhood, so i tend to prefer to use she/her pronouns for her, though I don't think she's strictly a cis woman, so I do still interpret her under the non-binary umbrella. But that's besides my point.

My gripe here, and the thing that spurred me to write this post, is that rarely does this fandom even touch upon the more predominant themes of colonialism and postcolonial identities within the story. So it definitely irks me when people say that the show presenting Mizu being cishet is "boring." While it's completely fine to have your opinion and to want queer rep, a statement like that just feels dismissive of the rest of the representation that the show has to offer. And it's frustrating because I know why this is a prevalent sentiment; because fandom culture is usually very white, so of course a majority of the fandom places greater value on a queer narrative (that aligns only with Western ideas of queerness) over a postcolonial, non-Western narrative.

And that relates to how, I feel, people tend to forget, or perhaps just downplay, that the crux of Mizu's internal conflict and her struggle to survive is due to her being mixed-race.

Because while she can blend in rather seamlessly into male society by binding and dressing in men's clothing and lowering her voice and being the best goddamn swordsman there is, she cannot hide her blue eyes. Even with her glasses, you can still see the colour of her eyes from her side profile, and her glasses are constantly thrown off her face in battle. Her blue eyes are the central point to her marginalisation and Otherness within a hegemonic society. It's why everyone calls her ugly or a monster or a demon or deformed; just because she looks different. She is both white and Japanese but accepted in neither societies. Her deepest hatred of herself stems primarily from this hybridised and alienated identity. It's the whole reason why she's so intent on revenge and started learning the way of the sword in the first place; not to fit in better as a man, but to kill the white men who made her this way. These things are intrinsic to her character and to her arc.

Thus, to refuse to engage with these themes and dismiss the importance of how the representation of her racial Otherness speaks to themes of colonialism and racial oppression just feels tone-deaf to the show's message. Because even if Mizu is a cishet woman in canon, that doesn't make her story any less important, because while you as a white queer person living in the West may feel unrepresented, it is still giving a voice to the stories of people of colour, mixed-race folks, and the myriad of marginalised racial/ethnic/cultural groups in non-Western societies.

#blue eye samurai #mizu blue eye samurai #fandom critical #blue eye samurai meta #wank.mp3 #shut up haydar #fandom.rtf #this is a bit of rant but the prevalent whiteness of fandom in general just gets on my nerves i'm sorry #giving me flashbacks to a:tla fandom fr cuz it's the same shit! people love to devalue the stories of non-white non-western identities #also to be clear i am a southeast asian living in southeast asia and similar to mizu i am often alienated for having mixed ethnic ancestry #and even for speaking english (bcs my granddad served the fuckin. british colonials. so my fam speaks mostly in english) #cuz where im from it's still extremely hegemonic racist patriarchal misogynistic homophobic like the setting in the show #so like even though the story is set in historical japan and may seem far-removed from the experiences of a US or european audience #those of us outside the west and in the global south still face a lot of the struggles that mizu goes through till this very day #so please dont just dismiss that. it feels incredibly tone-deaf #okay rant over

[hussyknee]

cant put my finger on it, but Taylor Swift feels like walking racial microaggression

#it's not even the fact that she let herself become a white supremacist idol without telling them to fuck off #and when asked why she didn't she said she was from Nashville where the Dixie Chicks were a cautionary tale #meanwhile she had no qualms calling out sexism in the industry #but white supremacy was too far apparently #but leaving aside all of that‚ she's so fucking aggressively mediocre #and her 'girl gang' is just rich thin white women #let's not forget that racist Wildest Dreams video shall we? #she's talented and worked hard yeah but her parents are rich and connected as hell #also Swifties are some of the most obnoxious fucking people in music fandom #who get mad when WoC queer women and leftists can't stand her #the whole private jet thing was just icing on the cake tbh #Casey McQuiston had one throwaway line in RWRB where the MoC and Jewish girl dissed her #and half the white queers took that personally #Jesus fuck #let people hate rich thin white women #I mean heck I like Ed Sheeran's music but I don't take it personal when other people don't #then again I don't get idolising celebrities #just because I love someone's music doesn't mean I give much of a shit about them as people #these are objectively complete randos no matter what you think you know about them #anti Taylor swift #people with T-Swift hate blogs also dni #this post is about casual white privilege not whatever weird obsessive shit you got going on #white women #racism #white privilege #knee of huss

[autistic-katara]

oh my god can ppl find a reason to ship/not ship something that’s in the middle of a ship war w/o trying to make out the other character to be the worst person in existence? honest to god it’s not that hard to say “this ship doesn’t work for me bcz of xyz” u rlly do not need to go “uhhh actually no it’s not character a that’s a horribly racist asshole who thinks SA is cool (that’s so stupid wtf, they barely did anything), its character b. did u not see how they [smallest thing possible]??? can’t believe the hypocrisy u have going on here…” like seriously PLEASE u do not have to justify urself to this level it just makes everything 10x more annoying

#kataang/z*tara ship war posting in the year 2023? more likely than u think. #also abt the whole jancy/st*ncy thing but this was spurred by me seeing a kataang v zk argument where both ppl just sounded so insufferable #literally “aang is so racist for not liking this one water tribe dish” “actually zuko dismissing aang’s anti-revenge philosophy is the same #as the great grandkid of an ss officer making fun of jewish culture” #(not even exaggerating they both said that basically verbatim) #like babes please it’s really not that serious- #i hate how this happens every time there’s a ship war that’s boy x girl v same girl x different boy #it’s always “erm actually it’s implied in one frame in s1 that boy 1 hates black ppl bcz of the red x over the black background” #“oh yeah? well boy 2 was an asshole pre-character development so he’s definitely homophobic as hell” #with minimal mention of the girl u guys r shipping them with #like look i love kataang nd while jancy might not be my fav of all time i still ship them #but holy shit u guys can be as annoying as the zk/st*ncy shippers u claim to hate #idk this is just a problem i have with fandoms a lot nd i needed to yell abt it #rant #ship wars #fandom bs #atla #kataang #pro aang #pro zuko #ryan shut the fuck up

[pinacoladamatata]

I'm still so mad about the Wyll rewrite actually

#like on top of how shitty it is that larian chose to listen to the vocal racist part of the fandom calling wyll boring/aggressive/etc #it really fucking sucks that i will never get to know what the real deal was with wylls revenge quest #i was SO CURIOUS bc i was certain more of his quest would play out in act 2 and 3 w the goblin vengeance stuff #like his utter hatred for spike?! who took his eye??? HOW?? #and now its oh yeah he lost that eye in the dragon fight. #how all the other goblins KNEW him or at least OF him and they had this history #i wanted so badly to uncover wylls backstory with the full game. #and instead they rewrote it. so I'll never know. #like the revenge quest angle is so fun to me! love Astarion's revenge quest on cazador for that reason #and like i just wonder what could have been #wyll could still have been out to get karlach and that all stays the same #but the goblin history and revenge quest could have played out alongside it too #like WHAT did the goblins do that pissed him off so much? #and his moral compass is like the same so u know it was something horrible #like ok wyll signing a pact to save the city kf baldurs gate ok yeah yay #but wyll turning on the goblin gang he was fighting with and signing a pact to save 1 young boy from a goblin raid hits different

[chuckyray]

jelix gets so much hate and people act like it's truly problematic. It's so funny to me. you can hate its fans and not have to justify it with acting as if the ship itself is somehow offensive.

sorry y'all can't see the beauty in 70s repressed homosexual adultery and the consequences of it being tragedy. i forgot the kids these days haven't even seen brokeback mountain.

#also its just fiction guys this isnt real life men cheating on their wives lmfao these are some fictional dudes in an analog yt series #theyre like wahhhhhh he killed his kids and jack hates him now !!! yeah. now. are we disregarding the 20 years of friendship #where they built their dream company together? no ones saying that jack would fuck him post accident lmfao yall are just reaching #blah blah jack would NEVER do that to rose!!! first of all you dont actually know anything about him. #second of all people do shit you'd never expect all the time. even if they do love someone and are happy #also that one take where someone says the concept of jelix is inherently racist because jack is latino and felix is white so #that means jack is giving in to a white mans desires is insaneeee do yall hear yalls selves. like seriously listen to yourself. just once. #and its weird for you to tack actual racial issues onto a fictional ship that has NOTHING to do with that. #literally saw someone say that its perpetuating the white man desires and exotic latino stereotype and im sitting here like what. #what does that have to do with twf. yall just reaching. just say you dont like jelix and go. simple. #the walten files fandom is a joke atp. none of you should be watching this series yall arent mature enough yall cant even handle a ship #let alone a story centering around actual serious topics like childhood trauma and addiction and morally grey characters #rant over #twf #the walten files