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sennqu · 2 years
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we are going thru this stream of consciousness style. which is usually how my posts go anyway but whatever. extremely long rambling about the timeline of when i think Will fell for Mike and how it relates to his arc and Will+UD theories
so!! to start, my interpretation is that Will has already fallen for Mike once S3 begins. my evidence for this is the script for the snow ball scene where Will was said to be looking at Mike + the filmed scene when he looked to Mike when a girl asked him to dance + his line about not falling in love at the beginning of S3. setting this up to ask the question: when did he realize his feelings? in-between S2 and S3? during S2? or is it possible he was already developing feelings for Mike in S1? but also, is it important to know when he realized his feelings? could the event impact the plot/lore in any way?
i think the likeliest scenario is that Will was already starting to develop feelings for Mike before S2 (but he fully realizes it during the season). with that, we can then assume he might have felt jealous of El before he even met her since mike talked about her lots. this then builds up to his outburst in S3E3 months later. his jealousy of El is possibly a big part of why he was so insistent on playing DnD in the scenes prior. it's not just a wish of returning to childhood but to a life before El, before Will felt like he lost Mike to her. and of course the fight with Mike after cements it in his mind how stupid the notion was and how stupid he was to think that maybe he could be with Mike forever. and afterwards, he destroys his childhood sanctuary. additionally, I think Mike's outburst at the cabin ("i love her!") forced Will to confront his own feelings even further. still need to rewatch the last 3 eps in case i missed anything about this scene + any others but I think. i think... Hopper dying and El staying with the Byers and the timeskip is what really propelled him to finally let go of his jealousy. mostly because he had to. I think a lot of Will's arc in S3 is moving on/growing up because he feels the need to. I think that's what the scene with Lucas trying to apologize was implying. Mike and the rest of the party were "growing up" and moving onto serious things so Will felt he should too.
now, Will leaving his DnD set behind is seen as like this gesture that DnD will always be his and his friends' thing. their connection to one another. he's not going to play with anyone else. the popular byler interpetation is of course that Will will always love Mike and not want anyone else. I agree with this for the most part but I do somewhat think that leaving behind his DnD set was also part of an intent to leave his feelings for Mike behind in Hawkins. He doesn't want to, but he has to. Mike will always be his first love, but like the DnD set, it'll be a remnant of his childhood in Hawkins. Although S4V1 obviously shows us he's failed at utterly moving on from Mike as soon as Mike arrives in Cali, he has committed to not playing DnD anymore...
Anyway, i've laid it all out like this to help me clear my mind a bit and to get a bit of a timeline going. and now we get to the actual part i wanna talk about lmao. the Upside Down and Will's connection to it on an emotional level. i place import on the "emotional" connection because the story has told us that this is important (el and henry's powers being strengthened by emotion, the whole deal of S4 basically). Disclaimer: all of the theories i talk about will not be assuming Will also created the monsters. monsters that killed his could-have-been-stepdad. that is too much. all we are assuming here is the fact that the UD is a photo negative of Hawkins. specifically that the UD Wheeler home seems to be a snapshot of the day Will disappeared.
I've seen the theories where Will is possibly still stuck in the mindset/development he had the day he disappeared, and that's why the UD Hawkins is stuck there too. from how i laid my own timeline, i don't think this theory will be correct. and especially with the themes of "forced conforming kills" and "love and human connection save you" this season, i don't think the narrative would punish Will in this way for holding onto his romantic feelings even after he's let go of the "childish" stuff (represented by DnD). Plus, I just don't think it's true that he's still developmentally stuck in 1983. like he's gone from calling El a "stupid girl" to giving Mike advice on how to repair Mike's relationship with her, not to mention calling out El for lying with the intention he doesn't want her to hurt Mike. i feel like a jealous person would just let her crash and burn tbh.
Next theory is that Will conjured up the image of Hawkins in the UD due to latent powers that activated because he was scared and needed to hide. This ties into another theory that UD Hawkins could be a snapshot or manifestion of Will's trauma when he vanished. Either is probable. Much more likely than the first theory anyway. And there are some parts of the text that can be taken to support the adjacent theory that Will has powers that would make this possible. personally I don't really like the thought he has powers (outside of the ones he's already displayed in S2), but i'm open to the possibility.
My personal theory is somewhere along the lines of the second and third, with a mix of "UD is a reflection of the darkness that lies in towns like Hawkins due to bigotry". where it's the UD itself that creates the snapshot, it's just Will that pressed the button so to speak.
Another theory that I am making up on the fly right now is that the UD since Vecna's banishment has been getting influenced by Vecna's psychic powers (possibly getting even stronger since 1979). Vecna didn't open gates before 1986 presumably. But El opening the gate again in 1983 could have let vecna open a psychic connection to Hawkins (which presents in the show as the cerebro-like connection when he was searching for victims) and that's when the town was copied into the UD. nothing to do with Will himself. or, I don't think Henry himself was strong enough to leave the UD at this point or maybe he didn't want to, but he was strong enough to sense and psychically link to another person who he felt was similar to himself: will byers. and all of Will's trauma and pain and fear powered Vecna enough to create a snapshot of Hawkins in the UD the night Will disappeared and open up a psychic link to the whole town at the same time. however this opens up another question: if vecna can't create gates, how could he vanish Will? did Vecna even have anything to do with Will vanishing?
coming from the other important question: why did Will vanish at all? wrong place wrong time? could it be possible that El herself vanished Will as a pawn to open the gate a second time back in 1983? a complementary theory i have is that the gates need a "sacrifice" from the rightside up. initially it was Henry, then Will, then in S1 it was El herself (and possibly the demogorgon too), and in season 4 it was Vecna's victims. it would answer why she seemed to know who Will was and that he was alive, and it could also answer why the lab was able to provide a fake double of him in a matter of days since they would have picked him before the gate opened. i'd have to rewatch to make sure but it seems like the gate El created in the classroom wasn't at the exact place where she herself stood? so it could be possible that she has the skill to open a gate without needing a sacrifice at the same place. I like this theory for the fact that it connects El and Will but i don't like that it makes El directly responsible for Will's disappearance, haha. and again, it still leaves the question of why would Will be chosen? and what would have been the shadowy figure that was chasing him if in this theory he was the sacrifice to open the gate ergo the gate wasn't opened yet before he disappeared. this theory /could/ work with the Vecna has a psychic connection with Will though.. a bit.. maybe..
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lucalicatteart · 7 months
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 sculpted a strange shimmery two headed snail, speckled with wild flowers on it's shell~
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macadam · 1 year
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Fully of the belief that Miko is only seen as an annoying character because of the dynamic between her and Jack.
Miko in isolation isn’t an annoying character. She’s reckless, and unwise, and has to be bailed out of trouble every five seconds, but this isn’t really an issue for any of the bots because as far as they’re concerned, this is Normal Human Behaviour™. They are constantly having to work with and around humans or bail them out of trouble.
Bulkhead adores Miko. He is exasperated by her like a parent is of their toddler, sure, but I wouldn’t say he is annoyed by her in any way. Her interaction with wheeljack is another example. When she exists with the bots by herself, she doesn’t come across as burdensome. She’s just limited, as every human is, by the curse of being small.
It’s only through her interactions with Jack, and his continuous challenging and calling out on her behaviour, that Miko becomes an annoying character. Frankly, it’s the tension between them which annoys the audience. We can only watch the same cyclical bickering between children before it gets old.
I have noticed that there actually are a lot of people who do like Miko, and find Jack super annoying instead. It seems like people pick one or the other depending on how you interpret which one is causing the tension. When I watched tfp as a kid, I loved Miko and hated Jack. Like, hated hated him. Because I saw Miko as a fun punk rock kid and Jack as the one needlessly calling her out. Upon rewatching tfp as an adult (who works with kids a lot) I related far more to Jack, and so the situation flipped; I saw Miko’s actions as more frustrating to watch.
The writers did eventually try to fix this, with the one heart-to-heart scene between Miko and Jack. But it was kind of rushed, and didn’t leave any lasting change to their dynamic. They went right back to arguing.
Tldr: Miko and Jack are annoying together. Fans usually pick one of em as the cause to be annoyed at but honestly, they are both fine on their own. Children bickering is annoying even in a fictional cartoon lmao
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demodraws0606 · 2 months
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You know I think there is something interesting to say in terms of where the fuck WxS is going because like
I think WxS is the only unit where the end goal or overall progression is probably the most unknown out of all of them ???
MMJ and VBS are extremely obvious, they both have the most explicit goals that are said to us in a straightforward way
25-ji, in the end we know the main goal at the end will be for all of the characters to go over their hurdles with Mafuyu finally being able to find herself and move forward
Leo/need is probably the closest in terms of vagueness but we know the end goal is clear for them to grow as a band, probably ending in a big concert or something along those lines
But with WxS...like I guess the closest thing I can see to an end goal is all of WxS preparing a show together with everyone playing their part but that definitely doesn't feel like something you'd build up for an entire arc and definitely not something that feels fitting after the emotional turmoil that was the disbandement arc ???
In terms of physical achievements as well they literally revived an entire parc through one gigantic show, so it just comes into question what they can do now.
Then you look at their first few event for this arc considering usually the first event kinda set up what will be planned for the future but it's...weird.
Yeah, Tsukasa and Rui's events set up they're inexperienced and how they will grow in the future but also there is this weird feeling of something feeling off ?
The plays/scripts all are strangely depressing, the play in Tsukasa's event being about a failed writer planning to drown himself (which I believe is one of the only undeniable explicit description of suicide ever in the game?????) and the second being someone whose given up on life meeting their estranged sister only for her to become ill.
We even have Emu's side story in Rui's event where they watched the movie Rin was watching during the event made by the same producer and Emu herself note how depressing the story is (meanwhile the main character of the movie clearly parallels Rui)
We don't see the conclusion of these in-game stories as well, lingering on their worst moment never really seeing the presumably happy conclusion.
THEN we also have Emukasa fes which....again strangely different in tone from what you'd expect a WxS fes card, they're not really all that conclusive either. Tsukasa never aknowledges how he relates to the brother in the story and Emu doesn't really get a conclusion on her grief.
Then we also have Rui's entire fuckign event with the cards and his cyberpunk deadbo-YOU SEE WHAT IM SAYING
The closest we fucking have to knowing what WxS's fucking endgoal towards the story is, is fucking WL which....TELLS US NOTHING
At least with VBS we know that they're goal is to go even further beyond and conquer the whole world, that is a developpement of their goal.
What I'm saying is I don't know what the fuck colorpalet is cooking wiht WxS but I feel like i'm a fucking twilight zone reading the way they're writing WxS now because I can't be the only one feeling insane at how weird all of this is
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koruga · 18 days
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Okay actually but what colour are Fizz's fingers. I want to say they're naturally black and he puts something on it, because in Oops, when he gets a new arm it has black fingers as opposed to the white fingers on the other side.
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He wakes up with black hands,
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and spends most of the day with white fingers.
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For some reason, though, while singing, his fingers go black for one shot.
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Earlier, in Ozzie's, his hands are pure black, but the knuckles are pink.
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(The rings around his arms go in and out in this episode, but some of it might just be perspective.)
Well, at least mostly -- there's exactly one shot where his fingers are coloured differently, and it's right after he and Asmodeus but into the song.
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In this shot, at least, it seems to be mainly for contrast, which makes total sense.
In Mammon's Magnificent Musical Mid-Season Special, though?
His fingers are all over the place.
It starts with the standard of his fingers all black, which I'm guessing is the standard for him.
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Throughout the competition, they mostly stay that way, save for the pie competition, which seems to be a whole costume so I can give it a pass.
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But then...Two Minutes Notice.
It starts off with Fizz in black, as seems to be standard for him.
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Once he starts tearing his clothes off, though, they seem to...change.
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Then he sings his fun song, and at the end of the first verse, we get this shot,
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which immediately transitions into this shot.
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This one is just particularly egregious because of the juxtaposition. It's the same thing from different angles, and it just has me transfixed.
It's mostly white fingers for the rest of the scene, with a few exceptions,
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but it's mostly white fingers for the rest of the episode.
In the new trailer, he seems to have gone back to black full-time.
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This isn't even bothering to get into his scarring, which seems to change with every appearance, but at least that I understand. That's splotches around a place we don't normally see, but the thing is, the fingers could have an in-universe explanation beyond simple animation errors. Like he probably does have both arms as options or something, I could buy that! But what is happening.
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trainingdummyrabbit · 2 months
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theres something about the temporary nature of death and general impermanence in the pmoonverse thats driving me fucking crazy but i dont know if i have the mind to dissect it
like... in lobcorp, death just happens. its background noise. its sad, sure, but you get used to it. you dont really get anything from caring about it other than being a little sadder than usual. if your favorite guy dies, you can just try the day again. and repeat, over and over, until you get what you want this time. its easy to fuck up, but its easy to fix, if you have the mind for it. textually, nobody Really dies there, though; given the records team's deal. everyone is always recorded, retrieved, removed at a whims notice. if you miss someone, you can put them back. or not. it doesnt really matter. its a face to a function, mostly.
and similar goes for ruina-- though theres less of an ability to truly "lose" someone. the library holds tight to those in its wings, as anyone can simply be put back together if something were to happen to them. and if things dont go right, you can simply try again. and again, and again, and again; you have all the time in the world, really, and the patience to wait for them to inevitably come back. decay doesnt really exist in a place like that, does it? even those that became books were simply put back somewhere-- Somewhere, but as they were. the library appears and then disappears just as quickly; leaving a mark intangible, not unlike a dream, but a mark nonetheless.
and with limbus, turning back the clock is the entire name of the game. you can fuck up however you want to, react however you want to, and well. if you die, dante will just put you back. easy peasy. theres caveats this time, but more or less, death is pretty much just a smack on the wrist at this point. a little more than that for dante, but well, theyre fine, so. whatever, right? of course. i cant speak for them as much as i can the others, but its very much there. look at it, its on the ceiling, and all.
and like, its. well its obvious from a gameplay standpoint, it makes the whole thing Work. but due to the diegetic nature of the whole thing, it weaves a strange sort of sensation. doesnt matter what happened, doesnt matter what mark it leaves-- youre fine. get up. again. especially with the framing character-- dante is the only one who kinda has to deal with the direct fallout of these actions (though, the narrative seems to stop looking at it after a point, which is understandable, but also still paints a picture.) x and angela mostly tend to overlook the whole process, directing rather than personally experiencing the whole thing.
idunno. these concies sure dont quence, or something
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kindahoping4forever · 4 months
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AshtonIrwin: This one’s got 🩸 on it!!!!!!! 😈
(2nd clip via Ai FM)
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azuremist · 6 months
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Giggling, laying on my stomach and kicking my feet watching hbomberguy’s new video rn
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scpwiki-official · 8 days
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To Desire
(weird ramble in tags)
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koheletgirl · 1 month
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ran into one of my palestinian neighbors earlier and we started talking about where the nearest bomb shelter is and at some point she was like can you believe this is the conversation we're having right now
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scarrletmoon · 8 months
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i know i shouldn’t vaguepost but the mental gymnastics required to argue that izzy hates stede bc he’s “intruding on a safe space” and therefore izzy isn’t homophobic is seriously olympic grade
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communistkenobi · 7 months
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It reminds me of why the stop the steal people lost their legal challenges to Biden’s election. It’s not that it’s impossible for right wing people to use legal architecture to halt democratic processes (cf Bush v Gore), it’s that they did it in an openly stupid and nonsensical way. In terms of American fascism I think the lessons they’re learning re: interacting with institutional power is that they can’t use twitter posting tactics in the courtroom
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queerofthedagger · 21 days
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there is something so interesting to me about how the eagles came to actively help fingon (and maedhros) in the very early days of them being in beleriand, and then 450ish years later they come once more to at least bring fingolfin's body to safety (and there is something, too, how they bring him to gondolin and not back to fingon), and then another 20ish years later fingon dies and gets beaten to dust and no one is coming anymore. turgon only makes it back to gondolin thanks to the men, but the eagles still help protect the city. until they don't. i don't have one great theory or conclusion to this, somehow it's both telling and completely arbitrary at the same time, but it's rotating in the back of my mind at all times like. man
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charmac · 3 months
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Just a small unasked-for update, since I said I'd update in a week and it's been almost two
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Because this is how I have spent the majority of my free time last week
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Not even done, re-written 5 different scenes, haven't done a re-read over half of it. I'm so deep in the trenches with this one there is so much baked in here... I hope you guys like a million random scenes that don't *have* to exist, but do.
(Also like 3 hours of that Firefox time is "research" aka watching baseball for this chapter)
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kiseiakhun · 10 months
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Anyway, I think the worst thing Geoff Johns did to Hal's character is that he just made him boring. The fun thing about Hal is that he's the worst man to walk the earth. He's a trainwreck in the making. Every day he wakes up and thinks nothing and makes 20 awful decisions and messes up everything and goes to sleep content in a job well done and it's great. Hal is the Worst Man Ever™. He's a donkey in human form. By all means his personality and skillset makes him the perfect supervillain but he's a hero and he's imperfect and he claws himself back from the brink long after most people would've given up because that's who he is. That's at the core of his character. Even when he's below rock bottom, he never gives up, and god does he hit it, over and over again.
Johns just... erased all that complexity by making Hal the bestest greatest most precious lanterny lantern ever. Suddenly everyone loves him and treats parallax as just a 'hehe! Whoops!' and it sucks because if you take away the fact that Hal is a garbage human being he's just BORING. He's just a boring stereotypical stoic superhero. Who wants to read that! Who wants to read about Universe's Best Most Precious Greatest Man Gets Praised And Solves Every Problem And Is Never Wrong. Like at least when batman does it they try to give us a detective story. Usually it's not a good detective story but they at least try. Hal doesn't need to do detectiving. He can solve pretty much anything with the ring on his finger. He's invulnerable and powerful and perfect and let's be real, at this point he barely has a secret identity. There's nothing adding stakes to the story, not when Hal the best boy is here.
It's so fucking boring!! It's genuinely an injustice to his character. Hal's much more interesting when he makes every single bad decision, ever, and then has to dig himself out of the hole that he dug. That's someone I can root for. That's a character I can develop complex feelings about. If you just hand me the perfect being in creation I feel nothing. I'm already bored.
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earthgrudgefear · 7 months
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bro are we gonna kiss rn
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