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mira--mira · 3 years

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Hi! I was wondering

How do you think Hashirama and Madara would be in a Road to Ninja version?

I remember once reading a Hashimada fic (which I never finished RIP) that was about Madara appearing in the RTN universe and the 3 things that stucked with me were:

1.- Madara was the first Hokage (something that Madara thought was horrible when he saw his sculpted face on the Hokage mountain 🤣)

And personally I think that it would not have been like that even in the RTN universe because we didn't see his face along with the other faces of Hokages in the movie (Yeah, apparently I'm basing myself on a movie which I'm not even sure if it's canon or not, even though Kishimoto wrote it) and the RTN characters didn't seem to even know who Madara is.

2.- Hashirama having his bowlcut as an adult

And I agree with the Madara from that fanfic, it looks awful on him. Hashirama, babe, I'm sorry but the only ones who can rock that style are Guy Sensei and Rock Lee, I know you just were trying to be cool but it doesn't suite you.

3.- Tobirama was a porn writer

Instead of being a fan of forbidden jutsu and creating justus, he wrote porn novels a la Jiraiya. And I'll hold that headcanon with my dead hands.

The only other fanfic that places the founders in the RTN universe is one where the protagonist is Mito (it's an interesting one-shot that pairs her with Itama 🤔)

She was kind of a shy person 🤔? And so it was Tobirama 🤣 which I found fun.

Hashirama, as the first fanfic I mentioned, was the Tobirama of the place (saddenly Madara wasn't in this fic).

So I would like to know what are your versions of the founders (or only Hashirama and Madara if it is too much) in the RTN universe! And how do you think things would be

Hmm, RTN is an interesting concept to me but, to be honest, I don't think Konoha would exist if a lot of personalities got flipped 😂 I haven't read any RTN fics with the founders, but if you, or anyone else, have links at hand I'd love to check them out 👀

1. Madara

Here's the big one and the crux of why I don't think the village would exist. Typically I characterize Madara as an extremely responsible man who internalizes things when he shouldn't, takes himself way too seriously, is aggressive and abrasive even to people he loves sometimes, but genuinely loves the people closest too him. Reversing this would make a character that slacks off, takes no responsibility, and is completely passive in life and has fleeting attachments to others around him. Assuming he wouldn't die on the battlefield, I could see the RTN "alternate" personality coming about of Madara's being so overpowered and competent that he loses interest and distances himself from things before he can get attached and lose them.

It makes building a village very hard though. (At first I was tempted to go RTN Sasuke route and maybe RTN!Madara is a little more openly flirty than canon!Madara, but the passivity and refusal to take responsibility would be the "core" qualities for me.)

2. Hashirama

Hashirama is a bit weird because he has a lot of surface-level "conflicting" traits in canon. He is optimistic but he pushes beyond his natural attitude and uses it as a mask to hide instead of addressing his feelings. He's mischievous, likes jokes and games, and can be a bit hedonistic with his pleasure but can equally be serious when necessary and will willingly sacrifice for others around him. And simultaneously, Hashirama and Madara are connected by a shared sense of idealism but also anger. Hashirama is a very kind, but extremely angry, man. I think a RTN!Hashirama would share a kind of apathy of RTN!Madara but instead of passivity his lack of anger would manifest as cruelty. Because canon!Hashirama is angry but his anger is usually a righteous kind. I don't think RTN!Hashirama would go out of his way to be cruel, but he doesn't have the empathy of canon!Hashirama, especially to others' suffering. He enjoys fighting just a bit too much and has no qualms about killing. In his mind, he should always come first in any situation and prioritizing (or even considering) others' is effort and him going out of his way to be "nice" and the other should be thankful. Similarly if he feels any negative emotion, he won't bottle it up and swallow it down, he'll immediately address it, usually confrontationally. RTN!Hashirama is as intelligent as his canon counterpart but he doesn't suffer fools and he hates it when people underestimate him. He's pretty proud and vain, tbh.

I really don't think the above would make him the "Tobirama" of RTN verse. To me Hashirama and Tobirama have different core values and perspectives and inverting Hashirama's doesn't make it become Tobirama's, if that makes sense. This one is also wordy bc I immediately knew how RTN!Madara would be RTN!Hashirama is a bit harder to pin down. But I hope it's clear why I have doubts about the village existing...maybe if RTN!Hashirama got it in his mind as a pet project for the hell of it, that he'd be a better leader for the country and not just the Senju alone, and RTN!Madara liked the idea of no responsibility and being able to detach even further than he already was? But that's still kind of grasping for a reason.

3. Hashimada

Equally I think any Hashirama/Madara relationship would be ehhh. They definitely wouldn't have the overwhelming bond of their canon counterparts, and it could be a relationship ripe for unhappiness. The closest I can think of to making the ship work is RTN!Madara would be drawn to Hashirama's absurd level of self-confidence and able to let the casual cruelty slide off instead of getting worked up about it. In a way RTN!Hashirama is stable and predictable. If he's pretty overpowered, there's less of a chance RTN!Madara would lose him, so their relationship isn't deep but it's more or less dependable and Madara knows exactly what he's going to get. In contrast RTN!Hashirama has an audience in the form of RTN!Madara and a partner that's not going to push back against his ideas. RTN!Madara doesn't ask for much and he doesn't complain when RTN!Hashirama puts himself first. He doesn't want, or might not be capable of, the deep emotional bond their canon counterparts have. RTN!Madara wouldn't leave Konoha (if it existed) in the AU, because he doesn't really care. If someone upset RTN!Hashirama and he decided to leave to 'do it right' RTN!Madara would probably follow, maybe out of some loyalty for RTN!Hashirama but mostly because it's what's easiest.

4. Tobirama

The core of Tobirama's character to me is prioritizing logic over emotion and both a conscious and unconscious failure to realize he can't completely eliminate emotion. Tobirama loves his brother, he's curious and has a desire to find out what makes things work and is willing to bend morality to get results if it'll serve a greater good. He's very aware of the unfairness of the world but believes it's an unspoken truth of humanity and can only be mitigated through logical means, but never completely erased. He'll be the sacrificial lamb, the one that works in shadows so his brother can have his utopian dream. Despite everything, he loves his genin, the strongest bonds he has aside from Hashirama, and does try to instill in them lessons he think will help them and lead to peace and stability in the village. He's still influenced by the prejudices of his time and can never find it in him to truly forgive the Uchiha.

A RTN!Tobirama would be a man ruled by emotion. Him writing erotica all day definitely could be one way this manifests lol. But overall he's sensitive and spiritual and can't stand the idea of killing. He and RTN!Hashirama don't get along and he actively tries to avoid his brother. RTN!Tobirama has equally strong principles as canon!Tobirama, but they're pacifist in nature and while he likes his studies, he prefers to be out talking to people and learning from them first hand. He's very naive and can be easily taken advantage of and he has trouble focusing on any one thing for too long. No matter how many times this happens, he never can harden his heart or be overly suspicious of others. RTN!Tobirama would most likely be the one support peace in this AU. He embraces the Uchiha and all the Senjus past enemies with open arms, almost to a foolish degree. It'd be a bad idea if he became hokage in this AU because he's a terrible negotiator and has a bad people-pleasing streak and struggles with long-term tactics. With the exception of RTN!Hashirama, who he considers an aberration who doesn't have a soul, humans at their core all have good intentions at heart.

5. Mito

I characterize Mito as a very level-headed woman. Her marriage to Hashirama is political in nature but they grow to be good friends and she never expected to fall in love and she's glad Hashirama didn't want a traditional wife. Mito is devoted to her community work (she works hands-on with people in the village), she seeks out connections with others and, despite the distance, remains close with her family in Uzushio, constantly writing them letters. She's spiritual and follows the Uzumakis' beliefs (not gonna list this OoT spoiler lol) and studies fuinjutsu in her spare time, something she's done since she was a child. She is willing to sacrifice if it meant protecting something she considered greater than herself, much to her own personal detriment. She loves and is proud of her children and grandchildren, but if she had a choice, she would have chosen to remain childless, she finds her true calling elsewhere.

RTN!Mito, similarly to RTN!Tobirama, is ruled by emotions. She dreams of one day making a good marriage for herself and centers romance and being a mother as her ideal life, but she's extremely picky when it comes picking the perfect husband. RTN!Mito knows how much she's worth and she refuses to settle and will not even entertain the idea of an arranged marriage. She has a hard time forming long-lasting, deep bonds with other people and views starting her own family as the solution to this problem. At times she can be a bit absent-minded and unintentionally selfish, but she's not actively malicious. She blusters a lot and depending on the situation can come off as cold and uncaring, but it's only to hide the depth of her true feelings and loneliness. In this AU she would absolutely refuse to marriage RTN!Hashirama. Nothing on hell or earth, could make her change her mind.

Mito is such a blank-slate character it feels like writing an oc more than a canon character, tbh. And this is something I don't see brought up a lot but a "heart full of love" to combat the kyuubi's hatred to me has never been exclusive to romantic or familial (to children) love. *cough* I want a complex female character who's not vilified for not wanting to have children and/or regretting having them *cough* Mito's "love" was for the people of Konoha and Uzushio. My personal headcanon regarding her and Hashirama's child (I don't think she had more than one) was that she was dedicated to her son, but quickly realized being a mother wasn't her dream or something she even actively liked. The kid was well-cared for and she was dutiful towards him, but Hashirama was the parent that loved and embraced him with his whole heart and it led to some tension between Mito and her son as the kid could tell the difference and neither of them were "wrong" to feel the way they did. This is why Tsunade was shown with Hashirama instead of Mito, he was a lot more present in her life when she was young (instead of Kishi just not having made Mito as a character yet). But after Hashirama and Tsunade's dad died (and then Nawaki), she and Mito grew close but it was definitely more of a friendship or student/mentor relationship rather than a traditional grandmother/granddaughter relationship but both were satisfied with it and loved eachother. Likewise I didn't want RTN!Mito's characterization to be shallow and hit misogynistic undertones with her being an "opposite" to Mito's calm, level-headed, focused on her work/passions characterization.

6. Closing thoughts

#1: Wow this got long #2: I feel conflicted about RTN because it seemed to flip surface-level characteristics instead of deep characterizations, and ignored flaws altogether. The ones above, esp. Hashirama and Madara's, are kind of dark in a way? But that's the only way it makes sense to me...Gai and Lee caring about style and being stylish is a funny joke but if you were to actually poke and prod and say their personalities were inverted, neither of them would be top-notch ninja as we know...unless I'm just completely misremembering RTN because I realize it's been years since I saw it lol. Anyway, hope this was entertaining!

#naruto #hashimada #hashirama senju #madara uchiha #mito uzumaki #tobirama senju #asks #al-stuffy #rtn au #long post

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6ad6ro · 2 years

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i gotta be honest, the new saints row game really doesn't look awful to me. i hadn't even heard there was gonna be one until the game awards, so i was genuinely kinda excited? esp since i thought the company was bankrupt and series was DEAD, u kno?

i had to spend time lookin up why ppl were hating on it. it really didn't look bad? it looked great imo. yeah the char design wasn't anything special, but imo it never was to begin with (i do love how 3 looked tho, besides maybe the dubstep aesthetics). and i was actually glad they toned it back from 4.

4 was... a mess. besides the fun writing, it was actually a bit terrible. def something that shoulda been dlc for 3 rather than it's own game. and they wrote themselves into a corner. heck, they put themselves into a corner with the MECHANICS too. so i'm actually totally okay with them just dropping everything and starting over. i feel like i woulda done the same. i really don't want time travelling superheros ever again.

i want "silly gta" which is exactly what this new one once again looks like. it reminds me more of like sr3 (by far my favorite of the series). i hear the devs are saying they're going for a vibe in between sr3 and 2 (2 is my second fave so that's cool).

but it seems like people are mostly complaining because they say it seems "censored"? like they all want sr2 back (idk why, the edginess was the worst part of sr2 and i'm glad they fixed it in sr3). but sr hasn't been like that in a million years. did they just forget everything after sr2 ever happened?? what's with this "they look like fortnite artschool tweens"??? like hate to break it to you, but that's how sr has looked for the past 10 years or so.

if people are complaining about cartooniness, why are they ALSO wanting the old characters back? it doesn't make a whole lotta sense! sr was more or less an adult swim cartoon by the time sr4 hit. the series was already drastically less edgy (for better or worse) than it was in 2. idk! idk.

maybe i'm missing something? but the game looks fine to me. i understand the whole "2020 era fiction is getting oversanitized by corporations pretending to be pc" complaint. i understand why people would be bothered by another game with the shitty disney pixar fortnite aesthetic. but i'm... just not sure it really applies here. this just looks like more saints row to me. and it looks closer to my fav games in the series, rather than the insanity that sr4 brought.

while i'm usually happy that fans nowadays are so critical of big companies churning out unfinished, overpriced trash? or being scammy etc? there's def a bit of a weird side effect where sometimes fans are just nerdraging for really stupid reasons. and like we saw with, say, the more recent star wars movies. even if fanhate obv stupid and sexist and based on HORRIBLE taste? can still cause a good thing to get RUINED.

yes i'm talking about how episode 8 was actually a pretty good movie and WAY better than 7, but then shit fans scared disney higherups to fuck up things SO bad that 9 was just laughably awful (tho still better than 7 bc at least i was laughing).

#maybe the game has issues im missing #idk i hope its good n ppl are just bein idiots #long #way too long srry #nobody reads these lol

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Request: From a Siblings perspective (Bella Swan x Reader)

Bella liked the strange and different. You weren't sure what she saw in Edward Cullen but his set off just about every alarm bells you had in your mind. You didn't like him at all whilst you didn't really like his siblings either. You didn't know much about their adoptive parents but your dad spoke highly of them so you took his word for it.

"What's taking her so long?" You asked nudging a piece of broccoli around. "She'll be wrapping up her call with that Cullen boy. Give her a sec." Charlie dug in to his steak. Not too long later, Bella came down the stairs announcing she couldn't stay for dinner and that Edward was coming to picker her up. "Are you kidding? You were just on the phone with him. Damn it, Bella. Sit down and have a meal with your family." You said growing annoyed. "I can't. He's on his way the now." "Does he not eat with his family?" Charlie lightly swatted at your arm. "Hey. Eat your food. Bells, do what you want but give us a warning, hm?" "Yeah, dad." Bella chewed her lip and there was a beep of a horn. You stuffed a piece of broccoli in your mouth to face your internal wrath. "I gotta go, I'll be home soon." You said nothing until Bella had shut the door on her way out. "That was pathetic. You tell me to be nicer to her yet she can't find the time to stop oogling her new boyfriend to acknowledge the existence of other people. Absolutely pathetic." Charlie didn't respond, he just took another swig of his beer. "Talk about something else, how's school? I like to give you space but you haven't mentioned it since you enrolled." "Schools fine, just been working hard for the grades. I'd have to say biology is my favourite." "Your mother told me you're really good at Biology." You nodded, cutting into your steak. "I enjoy it the most. I'm doing a lot better here than I was back home though." Charlie nodded. "Good. Made any new friends?" "Yeah. A few from different classes. I still video call my friends back home though." "That's good to hear. A few friends are coming round for the game in an hour or so." You nodded. "Sounds good. I'll stay out of your way." You smiled at him. "I'll probably just get some homework done and watch some movies." "Cool. Let me know if we're too loud though." He sent a pointed look at you and you nodded even though it was rare that you'd ever complain about your dad.

As you had already figured, this was only the beginning. Even after the Cullen's left, they destroyed Bella on their wake. You tried everything, being cruel or kind, being cruel to be kind but Bella did nothing. She sat in her room for months. You appreciated that Jake was was around after a while. You appreciated that she slowly made an effort again. Even if she just quiet say beside you in the living room as you watched TV. You let her. You wanted her to know that you were there for her and that you weren't being horrible to her because you didn't love her. You did. She was your big sister, but you hated how consumed by the Cullen's she was. You feared that if anything were to ever happen to you or Charlie, would she really notice?

Of course, it was like a switch had been flipped. You nearly tore into Alice when you heard all the commotion from down stairs to see Alice, Bella and Jacob. Your sister stopped you, asked Jake to leave. You made it clear you wanted both Jake and Alice gone. Today wasn't the day for drama. You and your sister had to be there for Charlie. He was out arranging a funeral, the very least anyone could do is show some respect by not bringing in drama with guests that weren't welcome. Alice hurriedly said that Edward thought Bella was dead. Bella flipped and started yelling at Jake and the next thing you know, all three were rushing out whilst Alice and Bella talked about going to Italy to stop him committing suicide. That was where you drew the line. You were done being ignored. "Bella!" You yelled out at her in the car as Jacob begged her to stay with him. Bella looked over his shoulder, all three stopping to look at you. "If you go out there, I'm telling dad. I'm not covering for you. I'm not going to help you out. I'm telling him!" Bella told Jake that she needed to go and he gave in. When the two sped off, she had practically given you her permission. Jake turned to look at you as you headed back inside but didn't close the door. "What are you doing?" Jake asked as you grabbed the phone. "I told you, if she leaves, I tell Dad. That is exactly what I'm doing."

You followed through and Charlie was furious. However, he didn't take it out on you. As much as his patience boiled over at times, he swallowed it before he snapped at you. However, the tension, the heavy atmosphere was almost suffocating and only angered you more. When Bella got back, you'd be sure to kick her down the stairs. She came back, with Edward, and when she arrived at the house- thankfully without Edward- that was when Charlie simply exploded. You carried on with school projects you needed to finish as you heard the mumbled noise of a five hour lecture. Just before you were going to head to bed, you were going to get a glass of water and say goodnight to Charlie. Once you were back upstairs, you saw Bella with her head down, she looked like she could have been better. You weren't going to give sympathy though. "Serves you right." You said from her doorway. "What?" Bella looked up at you. "Your eighteen Bella, your actions have consequences and believe it or not your life doesn't begin or end with Edward Cullen." "It's not about that." She shook her head. "It is." You retorted. "When dad left to arrange a funeral for his friend, he left, worried for his daughter. Nearly an hour later, he gets a call to say his daughter ran off to Italy to get Edward Cullen. You put him through hell." You paused, about to walk away but weren't done. "Damn it, Bella. What you do affects us too and every since you met him, it's been less that fair on us." You finished before going to your own room. You didn't wait for a reply.

"I'm sorry, Jake did what now!?" Your jaw hit the floor. "Yeah, you heard me right." Bella nodded. "You're joking." "I'm not." "He kisses you? On the lips!?" "Yes. After that, I punched him in the face." "You're kidding!" You couldn't contain your laugh. "That's why Edward and him were about battle it out outside our house!?" Bella nodded again and you laughed again. "But I should tell you something." "There's more!?" "Edward asked me to marry him." "What!?" You screeched and Bella shushed you. "What did you say!?" "I said no. You know what I think about marriage." "You're so casual about this!" Bella lightly shrugged and nodded.

"and that brings me to now." You smiled at your audience, glass in hand. "As Edward knows, I didn't like him...at all." There were a few chuckles, even Edward himself cracking a smile which was shared with Bella. "I thought my sister was an idiot and so was her boyfriend." You shifted. "But there's more. I didn't come up here to say all of that and ultimately give the worst wedding speech anyone could ever give." You earned some more chuckles. "I said so to say that Edward stood a test. A test that was years long and not easy to pass by far. He earned a pass though, because he showed me that I don't need to worry for my big sister. She's in good hands with her new husband and her new family. I'm happy for the both of you. I'm happy that I gained a brother." Edward nodded to you with a smile which you returned. "So, here's to Edward and Bella, I love you Bella and I'm excited for the new chapter that lies ahead." There was a chorus of cheers to the bridge and groom as you walked off the stage and sat with your father.

You looped your arm through your father's as the night was running to a close. "So, I'm thinking I set you up with these cousins, I saw. Y'know, the blondes also with gold eyes?" Charlie smiled at you but you noticed that he looked very emotional. "Nah, they couldn't handle my charm." You giggled. "Hey, are you okay?" Your dad nodded. "Yeah, just being old and emotional. I'm fine." You awed. "I've been watching you like a hawk, all night." "Don't worry about me. I'm just enjoying the moment. My eldest got married today. She really isn't a little girl anymore, she's all grown up." Charlie turned to you and looped his arm over your shoulders. "So are you though. You're not my little kid either. I'm just as proud of you. Don't worry about me kiddo, I'll be fine." You looked at him. "Don't think your mother hasn't been telling me that you've been going on and on that you're worried about your old man." You groaned. "I knew she would say something." "Listen, it's not your job to look after me. I want you to enjoy your life. I want you to go out there and see what life gives you." "I don't want to just leave you alone though." You mumbled, tears welling in your eyes. "Kiddo, I'll always be here to welcome you home to the day I die. Make me proud." Charlie paused. "Hold off on the travelling and all that for a while though. You are still sixteen years old and living under my roof." "You got it, dad." You grinned. "And not until your at least eighteen." Charlie sent you a pointed look.

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