#soul cringe

[13thpythagoras]

why Dune is crap

Tolkein and this English lit scholar explain my pov quite well

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Martin Turner · BA in English Literature and Language, University of Oxford (Graduated 1988)

Tolkien stated “I dislike DUNE with some intensity,” but he did not give a reason why.

However, you don’t need to look far—only as far as Tree and Leaf—to understand Tolkien’s views on story and artistry.

Tolkien was interested in stories that were good for their own sake. Even in dark moments, the story should be a delight to the reader. By Tolkien standards, Dune is quite gratuitous in its bloodthirstiness, violence and corruption. Herbert takes a positive delight (it would seem) in describing the debauchery of the Harkonnens.

On a similar level, Tolkien always wrote in a way which was suitable for children. He discusses this in Tree and Leaf. He did not see any benefit in filling out his stories with sex and gore.

Tolkien’s world is ultimately a world of grace and kindness. These, to Tolkien, were the marks of the true hero, of whom Gandalf and Aragorn were the contrasting pinnacles. These are qualities almost entirely absent from Dune, which is much more focussed on power and revenge. This is somewhat like the difference between Shakespeare and Webster. The Duchess of Malfi has a very similar milieu to Dune. Tolkien’s own heroes were Gawain and Beowulf, rather than Machiavelli.

Tolkien describes world-building as an imaginative journey. He discusses the difference between simply writing ‘the green sun’ and thoroughly imagining it. To him, the imagination was the main thing. Dune, by contrast, is ‘Lawrence of Arabia in space’. Herbert was reportedly[1][2] very taken by the film,[3]and transplants the milieu wholesale into a science-fiction setting.[4][5] To Tolkien, this was an unacceptable shortcut. Remember that he criticised his friend CS Lewis for borrowing and mixing in Narnia. Herbert’s method is far more heinous, from a Tolkien point of view.

Tolkien loved language. He plays with it endlessly, and there is an extraordinary sound to his prose if you read it aloud. Herbert has a superficial reference to multiple languages, such as Chakobsa, but it is quite evidently that of the non-linguist.

Tolkien didn’t like preachy writing. It wasn’t just allegory he was opposed to. Dune is full of little asides telling us about ideal societies, and what it means to be human. It would have grated Tolkien on most pages.

Tolkien did not like modernism. Dune is a child of modernism in a much clearer way than, say, Foundation or Islands in the Sky. Its philosophy is a blend of existentialism, proto-New-Ageism, nihilism and rationalist scepticism. All of these would have seemed barren to Tolkien, and Herbert lets them go unchallenged.

Tolkien is concerned with heroes. Dune is concerned with anti-heroes. Herbert is quite explicit about this: “Here lies a toppled god / his fall was not a small one / we did but build his pedestal / a narrow and a tall one” (Tleilaxu epitaph, Dune Messiah).

Above everything, Dune had been very publicly compared to and described as the science-fiction equivalent of The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien would have been aghast to see what people thought was an equivalent to his writing, which was opposite in almost every respect.

Ultimately, Dune is full of the things that Tolkien detested, and having the book described as the equivalent of his own book must have irked him deeply.

Footnotes

[1] 

“Going Native” with Dune’s Paul Atreides

[2] 

Dune, 50 years on: how a science fiction novel changed the world

[3] 

Dune (1984) - IMDb

[4] 

Interview with Frank Herbert and Beverly Herbert by Willis E. McNelly

[5] 

Frank Herbert’s Dune and the Dune Series

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Watching Dune is like watching a documentary of gratuitous violence rather than an actual story, even the director of Dune (2021) states this, Denis Villeneuve: "I tried to do a sci-fi movie like a documentary." [Nerds of Color]

Calling Dune punk-anything is like calling Godzilla a rom-com...

Dune's white savior complex is stinging and constant, and there is no defense, even as we see director Villeneuve attempt to defend on this point as:

"There is a storytelling trope called the White Savior where a Caucasian will go into a foreign land and act as a rescuer or messianic figure to the indigenous people there. And Herbert’s work has been criticized for falling into that trope. So how do you contemporize the story to avoid falling into the problematic areas that trope may potentially present?

That’s a very important question. And it’s why I thought Dune was, the way I was reading it, a critique of that [trope]. It’s not a celebration of a savior. It’s a condemnation and criticism of that idea of a savior. Of someone that will come and tell another operation how to be and what to believe… it’s a criticism. That’s the way I feel it’s relevant and can be seen contemporary. And that’s what I’ll say about that. Frankly it’s the opposite [of that trope]." -[Nerds of Color]

Is it though? It seemed to me like Paul Atreites frees the fremen and re-establishes his dynasty, this time as ruler of the universe. How is that anything except a huge shining perfect example of the white savior complex? Villeneuve and Herbert just kind of wave their hands and say "ehh it's the opposite" and walk off from the topic, and I'm just over here with an actual soul, left wondering, what in the goddamn fuck was that gaslighting?

Villeneuve and Herbert are like "Well it didn't end well for Paul, we fucked him up pretty bad in the end so therefore it's a critique of the white savior model"

and I'm just over here like,

you can't just kill the white savior and assume he's gone and you're rid of it, the Romans tried that and it didn't work out for them...LMAO fuck dune... sorry not sorry!! Long live liberty, democracy, education, justice, and Tolkien, not that glorification of fascist racist bullshit called Dune. /rant

#I'm in Tolkien's camp #100% #why Dune is not solarpunk #or punk anything #Frank Herbert is gross #soul cringe #don't watch Dune seeking enlightenment it's a dead end #watch / read dune expecting the white savior complex and you will be gratuitously rewarded #note I'm not saying Dune should be banned #I'm not saying it's immoral to read or watch it #I'm just saying Dune romanticizes fascism and capitalist exploitation #dassit #no big greater truth under all that sand

[yellowistheraddest]

conform to their stupidity my boy...

#LOSER LOSER MAN UGH DIE LOSER MAN YOU ARE SO CRINGE #one piece #one piece fanart #fanart #myellowart #trafalgar law #soul king brook #op brook #sanji #nami #luffy #nico robin

[tutterypuff]

I'VE BEEN SLEEPING A THOUSAND YEARS, GOT TO OPEN MY EYES TO EVERYTHING

#fionna and cake #Simon Petrikov #adventure time #the lyrics are hilariously relevant #without a soul my spirit's sleeping somewhere cold #all this time I can't believe I couldn't see kept in the dark but you were there in front of me #frozen inside without your touch without your life darling only you are life among the dead #get it together Simon #and he would #he is cringe

[nevesmose]

Curze grinned at the First Captain suddenly, transforming his visage into a death’s head rictus lit by febrile eyes. ‘Now you have met my brother, you must surely prefer crows to ravens.’

That was a joke, thought Sevatar. He did not understand jokes. ‘My lord, are we finished?’

For some unfathomable reason, that made Curze cringe, and he nodded like a rebuked child.

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter by Guy Haley.

#i felt this in my very soul #like a lightning claw to the gut #shades of that tlok Amon comedian meme from ten thousand years ago #why did I blow up Nostramo? #because it was CURZED #dead silence except for the floor and walls screaming #the context makes this more of a sad example of Konrad deteriorating but why should i let that stop me? #haley once again bringing his A game #night lords #konrad curze #jago sevatarion #sevatar #primarchs #the night haunter #guy haley #horus heresy #warhammer 40000 #wh30k #wh40k #warhammer 40k #cringe

[drowsystarlight]

He swears this is anatomy research for humans who transcend godhood

#soul eater #death the kid #blackstar #deathstar #kidstar #soul eater fanart #neeks draws #‼️‼️‼️ Me when my rival looks so good it has to be illegal to want to kiss his stupid loud mouth into silence ‼️‼️‼️ #anyway hello . im back to being 2010 cringe #*takes off my Zombie cringe temporarily*

[drawnfamiliarfaces]

close

too close?

(the correct answer is all 3 at the same time of course)

#ninja showdown #my immortal soul #first ninja x chase young #rc9gn first ninja #first ninja #chase young #rc9gn #xiaolin showdown #if only people knew how much a think about them and the way i draw them. everyone will lose any respect they ever had for me xD #someone said on one of my previous art that this crossover ship is very 2014 and honestly? i WISH it was #i just know it would have been so popular in 2014 xD lol i would have started my insanity so much earlier and maybe now i'd had a lot more #content to go crazy bout cause uu sometimes i cringe at what i create but then i remind myself that if i dont create my own ideas who would

[lunarharp]

if i just told you i love you would this world change

#witch hat tag #orufrey #these kinda suck lol i feel like i cant draw right now *irritated sigh* BUT I FEEL EMOTIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #if you are gay go watch good omens season 2 right now. NO YOU DONT KNOW THO!!!!!!!!! #i know being this affected by good omens is probably cringe. I dont care any more. the last 1 minute of good omens season 2 was #some of the most affecting acting i've ever seen in my life. sometimes someone acts with the force as if their entire career led to that #like during the credits part the very end im not even talking about before that. holy god #aziraphale i know everything about you. i know what you are feeling right now. i can see everything on your face. we're going to make it #ER.... NOT THAT THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST. IT'S NOT SPOILERS !!!!!!!!!!!!! #I JUST FEEL THOROUGHLY CHANGED !!!!!!!!!!! SHIT GETS REAL FROM NOW ON.. LIKE IN GENERAL! IN MY LIFE! #tormented gay love tormented gay love TORMENTED GAY LOVE TORMENTED GAY LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #btw the first 3 images were drawn earlier with an entirely different feeling and an entirely different mood. #Why do you keep pulling away from me? #It is because i love you that i do this #the lyrics from one of my japanese orufrey songs (A SONG THAT THE CREATOR LISTENS TO!!!!) led to feelings #“あなたが知らない私を残さず見ててほしいの” but i'm not translating it cause it just sounds weird. if with his eyes oru's asking “WHY don't you want #to let me in? to see all of you?“ those lyrics are like ”I actually want you to see every last bit of the parts of me you don't know“ #oru you have no idea how much i want to lay bare my whole soul for you #maybe it's an alternate version of chapter 40. to me #i need to draw something really fucking good or i'm not going to forgive myself. i will not rest in this life #until i have made the orufrey that fully satisfies me nor until i have seen what the manga is leading to #NO STORY MEANS ANYTHING WITHOUT TORMENTED GAY LOVE AT THE HEART OF IT. THATS THE HEART OF THIS WORLD!!!!! #........... so Hi im normal :) haha *goes and finally makes breakfast*

[mfdragon]

Really wanted to explore the idea of how he can “switch alters” visually while keeping it relatively minimal and thought about making his goggles adjustable.

So he just has 3 settings on it and each one visually looks similar to how his robot form’s eyes look.

#human Blitzwing #Blitzwing #tfa blitzwing #transformers #transformers animated #if I may bare my soul for a second: 15 years ago I made a human TFA au and it was the first comic I ever worked on #I’m still proud of it despite it being cringe and I named Blitzwing “Ludwig #and as unoriginal as that sound; he will always be Ludwig to me

[jojo-schmo]

Gently kisses you like you’re my greatest treasure, my most precious partner

bonus for top right doodle:

#late Valentine’s Day thing maybe?! #idk I got a little withered away from metadede because I started feeling self conscious about being too ‘cringe’ #cringe is maybe not the right word I just felt a bit discouraged or something. like I was being annoying? a self-made insecurity. #silly right?? it was just a phase tho. so here is some gently crafted fluff that soothed my soul <3 #gonna keep drawing what makes me happy! #metadede #king dedede #meta knight #art #kirby series

[majimasleftasscheek]

I clench my fists and scream about them

#idk what time this takes place in uhhhh what if the 80's had modern shit #wouldn't that just be modern times brahk #listen it's about the heart and soul #the most important part being a lotta ppl are still alive and kiryu can be a cringe boy in front of them #yakuza #ryu ga gotoku #kiryu kazuma #majima goro #goromi #kazama shintaro #kazumaji #my art #y0/y6

[damn-the-dark]

Bringing back Were-Dark for reasons unrelated to Halloween season~ uwu

(He looks reluctant but whomst - I ask - sat there with y/n for pets hm? :3c)

Og design is here úwù

#volt scribbles #drawing my niche AUs to reinvigorate my soul and will to draw :'3 #sure I'll tag it #darkiplier #why not? I'm cringe but I'm free uwu

[emkini]

I need to draw modern au atla just because I need these children in absolutely horrendous clothing. Sokka wears a Hawaiian shirt with his winter coat and fingerless gloves from a tourist trap. Aang wears a sky bison t-shirt with a floral-print skirt. He goes jogging in violently neon shorts.  Zuko wears black turtlenecks and roughed-up black jeans ONLY but secretly has a closet full of very expensive embroidered silk robes and coats that fit him perfectly. Toph wears cargo shorts and a too-big death metal t-shirt and her socks are mismatched. Her crocs have one (1) pin each and it’s a middle finger. Katara almost looks normal until winter comes, at which point she becomes a terrifying force of nature in six layers of coats she made herself. they are cringe. they are free

#I NEED IT OKAY #cringe ass children for the soul #atla #the gaang #aang #sokka #zuko #toph #katara #modern au

[bildads-shoes]

Sunday

Beauty is too mild a term; it cannot Illustrate the marvel of your soul. Love is too feeble a word, Damned to be worn thin by overuse; Always falling short of the Depths of my adoration for you.

There is no place I would not follow you. Hell would be worth the agony of burning, Endured gladly to spend eternity at your side.

Souls are oft compared to languages; Hundreds of years separate ours, yet I Understand your every syllable, Held dearly as you call across millennia. I readily kneel at your altar each week To feel that warmth that only you bestow, Enraptured by the harmony of our souls.

(uhh if you didn't already, read the first letter of every line lol. this is a joke pls i'm not really in love with bildad the shuhite i promise. i swear)

#you know she's started running low on shuhite sunday ideas when she starts whipping out bildad poetry #i don't even know how this happened. i just thought 'ha that would be funny' and then this appeared on the page. help #good omens #bildad the shuhite #shuhite sunday #poetry #just realised how many times i said 'souls' cringe

[badsalmonella]

It hurts to be something, it's worse to be nothing with you

#look okay. I know. I KNOWWW how cringe it is to make fanart for the loser ship in a flop musical #and give it a Laufey lyrics caption!!! #but uhh.....I AM CRINGE so. #camelot musical #lancelot du lac #Guinevere #something betwitched me body and soul to draw the toxic treason couple looking extra sad uwu tortured on this fine night 💁🏻‍♀️ #my art

[puppyeared]

i feel like. theres designing a character with certain themes and motifs in mind, and then theres making a gijinka for the water bottle on my nightstand

#me when im the only person on the bus wearing a mask: i should make a furry plaguesona #its hard to explain bc. most of the time i try NOT to give my characters a 'strong' theme like making their whole design around #one thing like apples or even broad stuff like baking or cottagecore.. idk if its partly for flexibility or because i cant imagine them #making it their whole personality. not bc i find it cringe or overblown but more like ive learned to associate design with character depth #i had a cutesy uwu persona for most of highschool because i thought it would make me more. likeable? easy to remember? since #memorable character designs are easy to recognize. and one way of doing that is simplifying it with a theme or symbol so you form an #association. but since im a real person its exhausting keeping up that appearance all the time and denying myself things when they dont #fit my 'aesthetic' or 'theme.' i think ive grown past that bc i just collect stuff because i think it looks cool and dont let myself dwell #on how it might 'fit' with my image. but i cant help feeling bad doing it to my own characters bc it feels like im making them too one #dimensional. despite knowing that theyre not real and design alone doesnt reflect depth i cant help feeling like its wrong #despite that i love seeing motifs because it feels like it reflects the characters soul and paradoxically gives them depth. it makes them #interesting to look at too and honestly its pretty fun combining things that fall under a similar category when designing #i struggle find a balance between those two things #actually this reminds me of noelles christmas theme.. i dont remember her saying anything abt liking christmas despite a lot of #her design and character tying back to it. it makes me wonder if she would have feelings about that or doesnt think abt it too hard #or if its like a matching family shirts situation and shes just going along with it?? #maybe i should just do whatever i want with my character designs since theyre not real and im thinking abt it too hard #although. this probably has something to do with deep seated identity issues huh #yapping #oc talk #oc

[lovelyshiz]

#chonny jash #cj whole #cj mind #cj soul #cj heart #cringe compilation #chonnys charming chaos compendium