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mucking-faori · 3 months
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This stupid bitch is going to court over a 90 minute course
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Also the course is specifically on maori world views in regards to land and working with iwi and maori clients, so it's not even like she's being taught about maori "religious" beliefs that could conflict with her own.
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zzthekaiju · 1 month
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So, Godzilla X Mothra as a Monsterverse movie, hmm...
Well, I got a lot of replies to the big comic saying that they’d like to hear my pitch for a GxM movie. So, here you go!
The film should be, at its core, of the romance genre variety. For both the kaiju and the human sub-plots. The overarching theme should not only be the Monsterverse’s usual “natural balance” motif, but also that of loving one another despite our differences and flaws, or perhaps because of them.
After all, “If you love a person, you accept the total person. With all the defects. Because those defects are a part of the person.”
 Obviously, Godzilla and Mothra are at the center of the kaiju side of the story. Big G is still patrolling for rogue titans while Mothra has made residence in Indonesia. Monarch returns with Madison Russell trying to prove her worth as a part of it. However, not only is her stubborn attitude grating on everyone, but her head is in a whirlwind because of Mothra’s newest ambassador: A good-natured and pacifistic young lady her age native to where the big bug titan lives. She and this newcomer (we’ll call her Lora for simplicity’s sake) are a mirror to Godzilla and Mothra. Also, Bernie and Trapper should return because there was NO way they weren’t having eyes for each other in the last movie.
As for our two kaiju, their relationship hits a snag when a new titan shows up with an uncanny resemblance to Mothra. And yes, this will be the Monsterverse’s answer to Battra (we’ll call him that here from now on). Battra is something of an older brother to Mothra, and the two have a very strong connection. Unfortunately, Battra’s way of handling protecting the Earth runs counter to how Godzilla does it (as in, wipe out human settlements and attack titans for the most minor of infractions), and Big G tries to handle it the only way he knows how (ie, beating him to death). But not only is Battra much stronger than he lets on (complete with an ability to control plant life), but Mothra intervenes on her ancestor’s side out of familial loyalty (she’s unaware of Battra killing people at this point), causing the king and queen to come to blows until she and Battra emerge victorious, driving Godzilla away.
This turns out to be a really bad move, as Battra is determined to wipe out humanity, believing them to be a scourge that Mothra foolishly trusted. Mothra doesn’t realize her mistake until Battra wipes out an entire village for the crime of being near a forest. She tries to stop him, but nearly gets killed before retreating.
Monarch’s main goal throughout the film is to reunite Godzilla and Mothra, requiring them to look high and low for clues to how this unique symbiotic relationship came to be. A major stop is the Hollow Earth Iwi tribe, which shows how the two met in the first place, and gives Jia a chance to enter the narrative. As time goes by, Madison and Lora’s relationship goes from “unstoppable force meets immovable object” to them finding common ground, and eventually falling in love. It’s them that enables Monarch to hatch a plan. With the help of Jia, and Madison’s mastery of the ORCA, they set Godzilla and Mothra up to meet again. Of course, they’re all rather surprised to see Godzilla so thoroughly heartbroken and ashamed of himself that he submits to her like any titan would to him. But as Jia translates Mothra’s thoughts, the insect Goddess and her king make up for each other’s faults.
Soon, it’s Godzilla and Mothra vs. Battra. But it’s not easy, as Battra has mastery over the elements, giving him an advantage over Godzilla by summoning giant plants to ensnare and attack him. Mothra gets in a lot of good hits, but in the end, it’s a combination attack from king and queen that destroys Battra’s wings, and reduces him to harmlessness. To show how much he trusts his queen, Godzilla allows him to live and Mothra to decide his fate. She ultimately has him confined to the same place she lives so that he has familial company. It ultimately ends with Godzilla and Mothra resting at the area where they first met, as Monarch watches from a safe distance with Madison and Lora sharing their first kiss. At least one person, probably Bernie, states that it’s the best double date ever.
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If anyone has other ideas/opinions, feel free to let me know!
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Mothra wasn't in Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire every step of the way. At one stage, which appears to have overlapped with principal photography, she was replaced with an original monster called Phosphera (alternate spellings abound). Director Adam Wingard explains:
“There was briefly another character called Phosphera that we had in place of Mothra. But Mothra was always what the character was written around,” Wingard told TheWrap. “And there’s this false narrative online that this other character tested badly, and then we were like, ‘Let’s get Mothra.’ The plan was always Mothra. But we weren’t sure if we were going to be able to get Mothra. And once we tested the movie, we had the previous version of that, and by then, things had cleared up and we were able to do Mothra.” Wingard continued: “It would have been really dumb to not do Mothra because if you look at this other creature, it did and said everything the way Mothra does things, but it would have been another creature. It would have been very disappointing if, ultimately, we wouldn’t have been able to land that. I don’t like that some people think that it wasn’t the plan all along. If you look at the very first draft of the script, it always says Mothra.”
There's still a trace of Phosphera in the movie by way of an Iwi mural, which also can be seen in the background of some staff/cast interviews. And you'll notice no one in the movie ever says "Mothra" while facing the camera, suggesting that all of those lines had to be redone.
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yuck-pfaugh · 2 years
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Note: I'm writing this only because I haven't seen anyone else touch on these specific points. I'm not Māori, so my understanding may be mistaken; if so I would be very grateful for correction and elaboration from tangata whenua. (And I've only read Nona once so far, and we all know that's a scratch upon the surface of it.)
Tazmuir has received fandom flack for saying in interviews that Gideon and Harrow are both Māori without mentioning it in the text — which understandably reminds sf/f readers of a certain other author's tendency to dispose of the difficult bits outside the actual work. I think it is clear by now that the reason it wasn't dealt with explicitly earlier on is that Tazmuir sticks religiously (ahem) to the flawed and limited knowledge of her point-of-view characters, and in the Nine Houses they have no concept of pre-Resurrection races and ethnicities, because Jod has not allowed them knowledge of any world but his. (Besides, explaining Gideon's lineage in a Doylist aside would have been rather tricky without revealing, before their proper time in the narrative, juicy details about Jod himself.)
My prediction is that we will find out Anastasia was also Māori. Maybe, probably, from the same iwi as Jod and/or G1deon.
Which makes Harrow, her last descendent, Māori as well.
No matter how many generations separate them. No matter how much other blood.
"Mixed Māori" or "[percentage] Māori" is kind of a pākehā concept. The more important question is, do you whakapapa? Do you know who you are? Do you know where you come from? All it takes is one verified ancestor and you're in the club, no matter how long it's been or what brand of egg carton your skin looks like on the book cover. I think Harrow is descended not just from a line of Tomb-keepers but a line of kaitiaki, guardians of the land, who through Anastasia's private pact with Alecto are sworn to protect her — Papatūānuku, the earth mother born from salt water — and who have been holding on for ten thousand years to right Jod's wrongs. We know salt water is sacred to the line of the Ninth House; we know that Alecto was called "the saltwater creature"; we know that it's Nona's natural element, which calms and renews her; all this links Alecto/Earth specifically with Māori creation myths, more than any others. And we know that preserving the ancient bloodline of the Ninth, Anastasia's bloodline, in Harrow's own improbable and desperately yearned-for person (that Alecto can recognise at a taste), was the goal Pelleamena and Priamhark pursued at the cost of the Ninth House's entire future.
Yes, this series is portraying an indigenous man as the destroyer of Earth. We know that Earth chose him as her saviour and he betrayed her, imprisoned her, set himself up as master of an empire that was her antithesis, then imprisoned her again — arguably worse sins for someone who was born into that special relationship with the land, whom the Earth loved and trusted so much and still loves even now because love past understanding is her gift.
But here's the answer to that. Here's his opposite number. Harrow, who fell in love at first sight with the Earth, who found in that love her reason and her drive to continue living and to hold to her goals through intolerable trauma, who has a unique combination of bloodline and genius and Jod-and-Alecto-derived power (through her Lyctorhood with Kiriona Gaia, wherever that ends up going) with which to fulfill this sacred pact entered into by her tipuna Anastasia.
Harrow being Māori is not a trendy convenient afterthought. It's an integral point.
Harrow knows who she is. She knows where she comes from. She knows where she's going: Hell itself, to get to the bottom of all this shit. So I think we will be hearing more along these lines.
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crabussy · 7 months
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forever and ever and ever and ever thinking about kiwi simon and betty. simon is from tamaki makaurau. that guy is an aucklander if I've ever seen one.. . . betty? definitely from ahuriri or at least lives there... they go on silly road trips together and get mince and cheese pies and listen to the beths together. betty is the biggest all blacks fan you've ever met. simon sings songs like pokarekare ana and tūtira mai ngā iwi when he's doing dishes or other chores, they stuck with him since school. I think they live in ahuriri/napier together but travel as much as possible, they have a one bedroom house and a housetruck that they use for longer road trips.. betty loves jelly tip ice cream and always always has a box of them in the freezer. they both love fish and chips and betty will DIE if she doesn't get a pineapple fritter every time. trust her.
anyway this is a pretty self indulgent AU, I'm a homesick kiwi and I want to untorment my favourite tormented characters in another universe [: if you have any questions or thoughts please share!!!
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hrodvitnon · 1 month
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Shimo Stuff From The Novelization
So, we got some new lore thanks to the GxK novelization. To start with, there’s a bunch of Shimo stuff. Namely:
- Shimo was the one who originally froze Ghidorah in the ice, meaning she’s the big reason he was out of commission for so long. This also means that Shimo could probably kick Ghidorah’s ass if need be, which is probably a sore point for the genocidal space noodle’s pride. 
- Shimo’s breath can freeze/slow down atoms. 
- The Iwi knew of and referred to Shimo as “the original Titan”, or “the ultimate Titan” or “quintessential Titan”. It is not elaborated on what this means.
- Shimo was quite likely the previous Alpha before Godzilla prior to her capture and imprisonment by Scar King, which lines up neatly with the idea she was Ozymandias’ mate. Whether they were co-Alphas and had a King & Queen relationship like Goji and Mothra is up to you, but I like to believe this was the case.
- Shimo is at bare minimum 3 million years old.
- Shimo and Kong are “bonded”. No idea what this means, but shippers go wild.
- The Shard is implied to have been part of Shimo.
Beyond that, we also have some other stuff:
- All animal life on the planet is implied to have originated from the Hollow Earth. This is already implied in the movie itself, but the novelization is more in your face with it. 
- Kong can sense Godzilla and Mothra are like “family” (HUSBAND AND WIFE HUSBAND AND WIFE HUSBAND AND WIFE HUSBAND AND-Ahem). 
- Jia was chosen because as a deaf Iwi, she could detect Mothra’s vibrations somehow.
- Godzilla absorbed part of Tiamat’s DNA. Initiate cope about how we can somehow revive her in the main MV timeline.
- Remains of Mechagodzilla are in the Monarch facilities my Assimilation!Ren AU is alive and well
- The mere existence of Shimo could potentially lead to government attempts to take over the Holloa Earth, which could cause a “world-ending event”.
- Godzilla likes Rome because the architecture reminds him of his old temple. We are never getting him out of that goddsmn coliseum.
- Project Powerhouse was built using MechaG tech.
- Red painted Skar King apes are called “Red Stripes”.
- Several new Titans/Pseudo-Titqns mentioned or given names.
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Time to get the novelization!
I’d said in one of the many previous asks that maybe Goji finds the Colosseum vaguely familiar enough to be cozy, and it’s really cute (and bittersweet) that he likes architecture that reminds him of home... and it’s also sad, because that implies Goji can feel homesick...
IT’S ON THE CHARACTER SHEET NOVELIZATION, MOSUGOJI IS CANON
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graspingremlinhands · 1 month
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So @milk-powrit asked me to draft why I didn't like GxK, to which I decide to oblige.
DISCLAIMER: Those are my personal opinions; of a fan of Monsterverse since 2014 and a nobody with any competence in analyzing media, save some common sense and maybe rudimentals??
Also I already hugely disliked Godzilla vs Kong so my discontent had a part in how I enjoyed the movie.
To conclude English is not my first langauge and even in my langauge, debate is not one of my strenght.
Spoilers alert; so skip or I kindly suggest to block the tag: Godzilla x Kong spoiler.
Let's start with the first thing: I don't enjoy how the tone of the movie shifted so drastically from Kotm to GvsK.
In this post, a youtube user explained better than me why the shifting tone felt like a downgrade. If in Godzilla (2014) Godzilla was introduced by hearing his foot stomping on the ground. It was heavy, massive, it reverbered on the glass of the airport. It felt natural, realistic. How a creature that BIG would move in the real world.
As the user said Realistic =/= Seriousness. Godzilla can be goofy. But Monsterverse!Goji was estabilished in a setting, that was the real world.
In both GvsK and in GxK Godzilla does not feels natural. Was necessary for Godzilla to evolve, to be more nimble, when already in GvsK was already moving in a way unnatural?
Or pulling the 0 gravity fight? What purpose had the evolution, if in the end it was not even necessary. Had really improved his fighting skills? They were the same, on earth and in the hollow earth.
2 reason: I've seen around posts about how media litteracy has gone bad; in some ways about people can no longer sospend their belief and calls anything a plot-hole.
But I think that one thing is suspending the belief but another is the director of the movie making the plot moving from point A to point B without telling the audience how.
For example: Suspension of belief: They had the Beast Glove ready to use, because Monarch was already working on it ✅
But why Jia is the chosen one of the day? How the Iwi in hollow earth knew of Skull island? How the shard to control Shimo works? Why Godzilla would respond to the distress call of the people who fought against him? Why Mothra has a connection to the iwi, in particular. Since in Kong: skull island there's no reference to her? How Jia flew back on Earth with Mothra, without dying for the gravitational pull?.
Not everything has to be the viewer's guess that's what I'm saying.
3 point: Shimo and Skar King are as much wasted potential as it was MechaGodzilla was in GvsK.
Skar is menacing yes, has the ability and dexterity of a formidable foe. He's vile and disgusting, oppressing his clan (let's call it that) and he's even an abusive father. All of these things: but as a villain he's really that dangerous?
He was introduced as this terrible tyrant, a danger to the world. And he wasn't even trying to go on Earth; he went up by accident basically. Because the Iwi had to play with gravity. Or should I believe him, forcing his subordinate moving rocks was to build a staircase to the upside?
And Shimo, sweet girl. She looks so horrible. Her white scales don't blend in for anything. Like she was photoshopped last minute. Her powers do damage I see. But her being presented as one or The first Titan do actually mean something to the plot, to the character? Or a simple red-herring to made her more interesting than she actually is?
Because at the end of the day SHE IS A PET!!
"Oh Kong now has found a mate, so cute". My brothers on earth, she goes on four, is used as a mount the all time and she kept panting the whole time. That's a pet, the old dog you have to force inside when it snows.
It was pretty disappointing.
Last but not least the reason I personally dislike Wingard take on the Monsterverse, which is the point you could probably throw away all my arguments, compelling or not because it's really a ME issue, who don't think no one'd agree and I don't blame anybody for it.
I HATE HOW WINGARD DECIDED TO PORTRAY GODZILLA.
I don't hold nothing over him for having Kong as his favorite. That's personal taste, I respect it.
But when it comes to at the expense of the other protagonist, it rubs me so in the wrong way.
On this point I don't know if I want to discuss it further, but boy I do have to complain on this topic.
To summarize I'm mad Godzilla doesn't get to have the same introspection and grace is allowed to Kong, knowing he can to (if you read the Dominion comic. But since they are only distributed in the US not many does. OR should care about it. Cause I'm first a supporter of the idea that if a media is not capable to give all the informations in like the Movie, you the audience should not have to pay for more. So basically the Novelitation are cool but also a scam)
That's all I had to say about it.
Hoping any of this uphere is comprehensible. If in the end I only sound like a rambling idiot I accept it. This movie is too stupid to be too mad about it.
I'll just ignore it
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number1yisuchongfan · 9 months
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Pls pls PLEASE tell us more about your prince sniper au!! I’m already obsessed bc him and scout look so handsome🥺
I’m happy to explain!
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Okay some background information:
So it starts with the moment when Bill-Bel gets into an argument with the original (mostly white) ministers of New Zealand about how even though he, a Māori man, saved all of New Zealand from “magma and nuclear war” they refuse to let him join the council and make him a minister.
They tell him because they’re sick of living down there and that’s he’s not worthy of being on there.
In his frustration, he manages to rally up the Māori iwi (tribes) of New Zealand and many of the white New Zealanders, into making him into the king.
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He changes everything once he’s in control. The white New Zealanders or Pākehā get sent off to live in their own space within Aotearoa and the Māori get to having the majority their land back.
The next 29 years is quite peaceful, the local nature and wildlife grow in population back to pre colonial times and so does the Māori people. They bring back old ways of life and traditions along with more high tech gadgets (because canonically New Zealand in tf2 was made of extremely smart people).
And now onto the Sniper and Scout part of your question:
And then coming Sniper or I should rather say Mun-Dee Taumata.
He’s next in line and has only really ever known of being a Royal and living like the way he does, in a giant palace with guards always protecting him making him extremely sheltered and honestly very calm person.
He isn’t allowed to go out alone, but Mum-Dee finds his ways, always sneaking out to visit his kiwi, who’s named after the Māori goddess of loyalty Hinekepea, in his family’s Royal Aviary. She tries to protect him and gets angry whenever he comes back smelling like one of the ladies that Bill-Bel set him up with.
Oh, I should mention that the minute he turned 18; Bill-Bel was trying to get him wife so he could make an heir (no matter how many times Mun-Dee explained he was gay)
Then in the summer of 1972, out appears Mann Co. reps (All of RED Team + Miss Pauling and Mr. Bidwell) to try to make an agreement with the Aotearoa government on if they can used some of the Australium they own.
They didn’t know of the change of the government and when they arrived they were shocked to say the least. Scout especially.
The Māori people held a welcoming ceremony or a pōwhiri for the first ever manuhiri (visitors) to their home in 40 years with gifts, dance, music food, and of course, get a personal welcome from the Royal family. Mun-Dee had been extremely excited, and when he was about to do a hongi (which is we’re you touch noses together and do a handshake in welcome) with Scout, he slapped him.
It was a misunderstanding, Scout thought Mun-Dee was going to kiss him so he did some unnecessary self defense.
And that was the exact moment Mun-Dee got his first ever real crush on anyone.
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And they eventually get together, Spy tries to blackmail Scout into marrying him quickly so that if Bill-Bel died mysteriously; Scout can be married to a king for political reasons. Scout just wanted Mun-Dee for who he was.
Scout meets Hinekapea and she almost kills him, more like jumped onto his back when he had been trying to make out with Mun-Dee. He leapt off and as soon as he was off of him, Hinekapea got onto Mub-Dee’s chest and made some angry sneezes at him. Mun-Dee had just thought it was cute and apologized to her for bringing Scout without warning.
Here’s a lil comic for when Hinekapea, after having a specialized kiwi home (like a catio almost) put in Mun-Dee’s room so he could always see her, treats Scout:
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ele-sme · 10 months
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Wedding day
TOOK ME, a week to actually write down this idea
what happened before?
so, during the events of avatar to avatar 2, Spider and Neteyam began a secret relationship, who was quickly discovered by; Tuk, Lo'ak and Kiri. After Spider re-united with the sullies at the end of avatar 2, he and Neteyam pick up right where they left off, only this time they decided to tell Jake and Neytiri everything. Jake accepted it in a matter of a week but Neytiri was not having it, she accepted their relationship only after putting Spider under stupids task, like hunting at least 50 fishes in the matter of a day. When she accepted the relationship, she finally accepted Spider too, but not (Luckly) as her son but as her son-in-law, which was more than okay with Spider. With the power of friendship and love, they defeat Quaritch and the RDA, with the help of other clans too. Now humans and na'vi are in peace, so much that some of them adopts orphans human, things are going so well that Neytiri and Jake decides to have another child, which name is Roy'röy, nicknamed Roy. When he is almost four months, Spider officially asked Neteyam to become his mate, thanks to the fact that he had now an avatar, unfortelly the day he should have transferred in it, a week before the mating ceremony, he have a little incident with his ikran and the avatar body is too much damaged to move for a while. So since they invited at least three clans and all of them came from very afar, the ceremony was not canceled.
"Are you nervous?" Kiri asked as she placed ornaments on Spider's fidgety body.
"What? No," he responded quickly, though his tone betrayed his anxiety.
"It's okay to be nervous. I was too," Mo'at intervenient, weaving flowers with Tuk for Spider and Neteyam's future Marui, which would be inaugurated the day after to mark the beginning of their life together.
Amidst the preparations, Spider and Neteyam had totally forgotten about this important task, aka tradition. Fortunately, Mo'at and Tuk had started the flowers a week earlier for them.
"Can you guys remind me why I have to do all this in the human body?" Spider Requested to know, even tho he knew why, Neytiri gently slapped the back of his neck.
"Because your Avatar body got injured from you jumping off your ikran. It will take months to heal completely, and Max says both legs can't function properly at the moment," she explained, slightly annoyed at him, she had to think about so many things lately.
"It seemed like a good idea at the time! Why don't we just postpone the ceremony and everything?" Spider suggested while starting to paint his chest with the warm celebrities' colors.
"Three clans have come here just for you!" Kiri exclaimed, giving him a little push at Spider's suggestion.
"But—" Spider tried to say, but Tuk expressed her annoyance and blew a raspberry at him.
"Done," Kiri announced, stepping back to admire her painting masterpiece. Mo'at, Tuk, and Neytiri joined her, appreciating the work they had just done on Spider's body throughout the morning.
"Nete did all of this by himself, without help" Tuk pointed out, and Kiri shared a funny look with her.
"Can we go now?" Spider asked, and Mo'at nodded. "It's time."
The four of them made their way to the location chosen for the ceremony.
According to tradition, Jake and Neytiri, as the one of the spouse's parents, had the authority to decide the first ceremony's location. Usually, the second location was determined by the other mate's parents, but in Spider's case, since he was an orphan, only Jake and Neytiri could decide.
As they walked, Spider couldn't help but notice the flowers adorning the tree branches—a tradition of the Omaticaya clan.
the trees were beautiful, and the children playing and putting the remaining flowers.
Finally, they arrived at the place, and Spider immediately spotted Tsireya and her family. Tsireya and Lo'ak were engrossed in conversation, likely flirting, while Ronal struggled to keep her four-year-old son, Iwi, still. Tonowari and Aounung were engaged in a conversation with Tarsem, while Tarsem's eight-year-old human daughter attempted to climb on her father, seeking his attention. Spider chuckled, watching her struggle to avoid falling to the ground.
Then he spotted Neteyam, Spider saw that his body was painted and decorated with the same traditional ornaments as him. However, Neteyam had additional ornaments on his tail, which Spider didn't have at the moment.
they were really glowing on him, yellow flowers united with the same long stem, that were twisted together above his loincloth.
Tuk immediately ran over to his father, who was next to Neteyam, adjusting a few things with the help of Ninat. Roy'röy, who was only a year old, was also assisting his older brother, perched in his father's arms.
he was picking the flower that he could reach, lick them, and then put them back on Neteyam.
As they approached, Neytiri picked up Roy and gave a kiss to Jake, observing Neteyam making final adjustments to his clothing.
"Hi," Spider greeted, approaching with Mo'at and Kiri by his side. Neteyam, distracted by Ninat, turned his head to face Spider.
"Hi, I missed you," Neteyam voiced, kneeling down to be face to face with his partner. He gave Spider a quick kiss on the head before shifting his attention back to Spider's body, an expression of discontent crossing his face.
"I don't want to mate in this body. It's too fragile," he voiced his concerns. Kiri, seemingly annoyed, rolled her eyes.
"Hey!" Spider protested. The comment about fragility definitely wasn't his, but Neteyam glared at him. "Do you want to have sex in this body?" he boldly asked, causing Spider to swallow hard before shaking his head vigorously.
"Well, dear brother, if your fiancé hadn't pulled that trick with his ikran on his CEREMONY DAY, maybe, and I stress maybe, you guys could have the avatar body now," Kiri remarked, placing her hands on Spider's shoulders. Spider and Neteyam both sighed heavily.
Lo'ak approached. "Hey, guys, are you ready? Everyone else is, so we should get settled," he suggested, and Mo'at nodded.
The ceremony of introduction to the soon acts was quickly and embarrassing, but Norm found it so funny that his mate Pilyê had to put her hands on his mouth to not let him disturb.
Finally, they all settled down to eat. Spider and Neteyam were placed at the center of the eating area, with lanterns hanging from the branches above them, illuminating the two of them and everyone around them.
(According to Tarsem, the lanterns were the best thing ever created.)
The only contact they had was with Neytiri, who brought them food fresh from the brazier not too far away from them.
As Spider ate, Neteyam grabbed his hand and squeezed it tightly.
"We won't have sex tonight" he whispered.
Under different circumstances, Spider might have responded sarcastically, but now he simply adjusted his posture and observed his mate, squeezing Neteyam's hand in return.
"Your grandma and Ronal will totally understand if we didn't do it," Spider remember him. Neteyam clicked his tongue in response.
"Then we'll ignore them, but I'm sure they will understand. I don't want to put you in any form of danger," the blue one explained.
"Are you, by any chance, bragging about how big your dick is?" Spider asked jokingly, causing Neteyam to burst into laughter and nod his head.
The night was simple. They visited the Tree of Souls, prayed, and fell asleep together, cuddling with each other. Spider felt incredibly happy and at ease when no one said anything to them the next day.
Either Eywa had heard their thoughts and prayers the night before, or Mo'at and Ronal were the most understanding and supportive women in the entire universe.
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i-mean-technically · 13 days
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@tosho89 i got somethin' for ya
All the other kaiju are heading towards refuge for xyz reason while Goji is going the opposite direction to deal with the problem/be ornery? Anguirus overslept and was left behind by the herds when he comes across Godzilla and decides to just. Not leave him alone. Rodan is under the thrall of Ghidorah and is attacking an Iwi settlement with the other daiju. Jia’s mother jumps off a waterfall and plunges into the depths before any of the flying daiju can catch her.
(Meanwhile, Kong is traveling to look for his people, having been raised by the Iwi after his parents’ passing. When he returns he finds his old home destroyed and no survivors. He goes on a quest for vengeance against the kaiju who slaughtered his second family. He thinks it's Godzilla because those are the tracks he finds.)
Goji wants to leave the human child, humans are nothing but trouble and he can create enough of that on his own while Anguirus wants to return it to the nearby human settlement. When they arrive they find it freshly burned down. That’s when they encounter Rodan, who was tasked by Ghidorah to find the child and bring it to him, alive.
(Rodan: *skreeeeeeeeeek*
Godzilla: -glowing blue- *skreeeeeeeeoooooooooonk*
Rodan: -rethinking his life choices- um. That pink thing belongs to me
Anguirus: actually that pink thing belongs to us!
Rodan: i see! Can’t have children of your own so you decided to adopt)
Cue Epic Roadtrip Montage as they travel across the world to reunite the human baby with other humans, not realizing that Ghidorah is systematically destroying them so that humans can’t come to the aid of whichever kaiju is king. (wow much worldbuilding) ((the King is ofc Goji who doesn’t want to be king and is avoiding his responsibilities)).
Rodan is ofc leading them to Ghidorah and his merry band of psychopaths while Anguirus is having fun playing with Jia. (i want to say that Goji names her and i want to make it angsty hmmm) Along the way they run into another human child, this one older and mostly able to fend for herself. (Maddie ran away from her mother bc she’s helping Ghidorah and Maddie needs to find the King of the Monsters in order to save the world. Goji is very vehement that there is no King) Want to say shortly after this Kong shows up?????
Massive fight between him and Goji (both are the last of their kind, Goji being old enough to remember the Titan war while Kong was told about it by the Iwi), but eventually the others manage to break it up and the truth comes out that Goji Didn’t Do It. Kong learns that one survived (maybe change it a bit so that Kong was the one that hid her? He was there during the fight and was lured away/knocked out for a while and woke up to everyone slaughtered and his favorite missing).
Kong backs Rodan up about there being another human settlement through the mountains, Maddie claims to have been there (this girl will get someone to fight Ghidorah, and she’s now seen Goji go at it. If she has to trick them into it she will.)
btw the kaiju are still like. what they look like in the monsterverse but are closer to human sized. average human is around 6ft/2 meters tall so Goji is more like 13 ft/4 meters tall (i know that's not a perfect convertion i'm rounding ok)
and i'm seeing this as kinda a mix between like. feudal japan/europe for the humans timeframe wise, but kinda steam/solarpunk-y. maybe some minor magic?????? anyways there are titans and humans but it's not set in our world
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Star how would you write Maddie into GvK? Personally I'd have her being close with Jia, a sort of big sibling role, wanting to be for Jia what Andrew was to her. She obviously accompanies them into the Hollow Earth and it'd be discovered that she's part of the prophecy that say's Jia will reawaken Mothra, she awakens Mothra with her and Mothra shows signs of recognising her from the temple in China. I imagine Mothra would then tell Godzilla about her and she becomes to them what Jia is to Kong.
If we're talking how I would've done the movie, not just how I'll write GxK fics, then I most definitely would've built it off my Ted Talk GvK rewrite. She and Jia would've remained close for sure, and I'd expand on the implications at the end, re: Maddie's connection to Godzilla.
In that rewrite, I left all the other Titans alive and family-like, so Mothra wouldn't have needed to be woken up (and there'd be no fight with Scylla, ftr). I wouldn't have had Maddie go into the Hollow Earth because she's more involved with Godzilla and getting him the power-up he clearly believes he needs. So Jia and Co would still be down there and find the Iwi and help Kong, but there'd be no Mothra bit. Other than that, I wouldn't do too much differently, I have very few notes for this movie (I enjoyed it waaaay more GvK).
I think the biggest change I would've made would be when Skar King reaches the surface. Instead of being faced with an unsuspecting city, he finds a veritable army of Titans who have gathered to stand sentinel between him and the rest of the world. They wouldn't all be involved in the fight (that would still be between him, Kong, Godzilla, and Shimo) but it would be a representation of how times have changed. Before, it was just Godzilla keeping Skar King from taking over/destroying (?? unclear) the world. Now, it's all of them.
I particularly like the image of the four of them coming out of the Hollow Earth deeper in the ocean, and Skar King looking towards land only to see a literal wall of Titans along the empty beach.
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Back from Godzilla x Kong! Gotta say, I love how you have this dynamic of... Mothra is Lawful Good, Kong is Neutral Good, and Godzilla is Chaotic Good. Because sure, Godzilla is officially the arbiter of nature's balance, he's the one keeping things in check; But boy does he not care about what he needs to do to get it done. I like how the Monsterverse has made Godzilla into quite the anti-hero as well; It's a nice mix of both heroic and villainous depictions. He has no real love for humanity, even if he begrudgingly acknowledges its right and need to exist.
If Godzilla needs to get from Point A to B, it doesn't really matter to him too much if there's a fully-populated city he needs to stomp through, especially if he's on short time (Conversely, Mothra and Kong seem much more sensitive to that sort of thing, Mothra especially). It really does make Godzilla feel like a wild card that humanity just has to accept and deal with, and coexists with uneasily; You know, in theory, he has your back. But you're still rightfully terrified of Godzilla, and hell so are other titans. He's the scariest kaiju on the block for a reason, and I love how he's still a mean city-destroying menace while technically being a 'good' guy. Portraying Goji from Kong's perspective, where he's often an antagonist, was a good way to maintain that terror that was alleviated with King of the Monsters' depiction.
Also, I can't help but imagine how relieving it was for Jia to find more Iwi! Trapper makes a good point about how she ends up having a lot of weight on her shoulders with saving the world, but you know what? She ends up having so much other weight taken off knowing there are other Iwi alive and thriving. For years, Jia must've been saddled with the burden of keeping her entire culture alive, finding a way to somehow preserve it and keep it going; But now she can relax, she knows it'll live on with or without her, and that makes Jia's decision to stay with Andrews all the more natural because she's free from obligation.
You know, seeing Monarch successfully augment Kong with cybernetics... I'd love to see the Monsterverse tackle Gigan soon, because with how technology has become so much more advanced since the first film in 2014, it feels plausible that some would see the success of Kong with the gauntlet and think; Hey, let's bring back that project full-force! Maybe they find Gigan, originally flesh and blood, deeply injured and torn apart after fighting Godzilla. Initially he's on life-support with artificial organs, but at some point investors decide, let's just reprogram him into a cybernetic attack dog to defend humanity with!
Alas, Gigan breaks free of his programming; And he ends up going on a killing spree. Because while other antagonists like Ghidorah or Skar King are ambitious warlords, Gigan is a pettier sadist, a bully who likes to hurt and torture. He kills for sport, and that's literally all he's going to do once he gets his upgrades, doing it all for no other reason than fun.
Of course, another part of me would really like to see Gigan still associated with aliens, too; Monsterverse has clearly become modern Showa, we've basically got magic now! And I like that, the weirder and more fantastical, the better. There's an underground civilization that uses ancient technology bordering on magic, the Iwi of the Hollow Earth are like the Monsterverse's Seatopians. So it seems a natural evolution to introduce a more one-to-one counterpart to Seatopia in another film, another group of Hollow Earth humans who want to destroy those on the surface, and worship Megalon's power to tunnel through the earth itself. And if you have Megalon, you should have Gigan, and if you have Gigan, you may as well throw in aliens, not just in the sense that they're from space like Ghidorah, but I mean like. Actual UFOs and the like.
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Random unsorted thoughts on Godzilla x Kong:
Both this film and the last one felt like they had a story for Kong but were really struggling to come up with anything for Godzilla, so they just have him attacking random cities to kill time until they actually need him for the finale. This story in particular feels like they could've easily just cut Godzilla out all together and made it a solo Kong movie.
I'm glad Shimo didn't die, she's very pretty and she suffered a lot and deserved better.
When Ilene said to Bernie "We met in Hong Kong" I actually said out like "No you didn't". The two parties were never shown on screen together for the entire movie.
Mothra was underutilized once again but at least she's back now and didn't die, so hopefully she'll get her due in the next film. She really felt like a late addition though cause they didn't really do much set-up to explain why she was hibernating in the Hollow Earth already in moth form or why Jia was needed to awaken her.
Also, when they first introduced the Iwi leader before showing her face, I thought there was gonna be a plot twist where it turned out the Iwi didn't die in the storm, they escaped into the Hollow Earth and the leader would turn out to be Jia's twin sister. So the reason they needed Jia was because Mothra can only be awakened by a pair of twins with psychic powers. The fact that they didn't do this just kinda makes me a little angrier about the fact that they didn't bring back Ilene Chen or her sister when they were already set-up as the Monsterverse equivalent of Mothra's fairies.
It seems like they didn't get the music rights back for this movie because both Mothra and Godzilla's leitmotifs sound like generic knock-offs.
One thing this movie does that I really appreciate, and have actually been asking for, is extended sequences where we're just following the monsters with no humans around and no dialog. We get a lot of that in Kong's story, and I guess they felt like it was a safe enough choice because primates are very humanlike and can express themselves in ways that are very readable to humans. Plus the apes are supposed to be pretty intelligent, so they can put Kong into a story that could easily have been about a human character. I would like to see Godzilla get some of that treatment too, but I doubt they'll ever do it because it's harder to make him look and act human or put him into a humanly relatable plot. But like, I want that though. I want something almost like a nature documentary where it's just about animal survival in the wild, not a whole thing about finding a kingdom of primates enslaved by a cruel dictator using an ice dragon to keep everyone in line and fighting to liberate them from their oppressor.
Kong's arm brace was a deus ex machina if I ever saw one. Literally nothing hinted at its existence until it was needed to solve a very specific problem immediately after it was introduced. The entire thing plays out as one contrived coincidence after another. Like, "We had an idea for a thing, but they said it was a bad idea and shut it down. BUT ONLY AFTER WE ALREADY BUILT A WHOLE ENTIRE PROTOTYPE THAT WORKS PERFECTLY. Also, it just happens to be where we are right now. Also convenient that it was Kong's right arm instead of his left that got hurt, or one of his legs. Also, the explanation for it is that they wanted to give him an enhancement so he'd stand more of a chance against something like Godzilla in the future. It wasn't supposed to be a medical device, but it just happened to have a system for injecting Kong with meds built in, and also had those meds already loaded into the syringes ready to go at a moment's notice.
This is the third time a Titan being critically injured and needing human assistance before the final battle has been a plot point. When it happened in KOTM I feel like it worked because it was a very simple fix: Godzilla's hurt and needs radiation to regenerate, so we detonate a bomb to give him a lot of it at once so he can regenerate faster and kick Ghidorah's ass. Second time it happened it was like, "Isn't this already a discredited cliche by now? Like, that's not what defib paddles are for or how they work." In this movie, when they first introduced Trapper I was like, "Oh cool, a Titan veterinarian. That makes sense as a world building element and it gives the human characters a way to impact the story without it feeling forced." Like, the vet would be able to diagnose problems that the Titans are experiencing and figure out how to treat them, or make educated guesses about what an antagonistic Titan's weakness might be and how to exploit it based on his understanding of Titan biomedicine. But after pulling Kong's tooth, Trapper being a vet doesn't really affect the plot. Like, he didn't need that background just to know the arm brace existed and go get it and put it on him. They didn't even emphasize like, him having good beside manner to keep Kong calm because he knows how to work with animals.
I do appreciate that they introduced him as Ilene's ex so you think they're maybe going to get back together, but then for the rest of the movie it seems like it's actually Trapper and Bernie who've got the romance subplot going on.
I did not expect Kong being smart and resourceful and capable of making traps to end up being the set-up for some actually kinda hilarious moments like beaning a monkey with a rock and hitting Godzilla with pocket sand. Kong trying to drag Godzilla into the Hollow Earth by the tail was also funny. The whole reunion in general is kind of hilarious because they parted on good terms, Kong figures out that he needs help and goes to get Godzilla, but Godzilla's like "I thought I told you never to show your face here again!" so Kong just tries to straight-up kidnap him. Then Mothra shows up to make Godzilla understand why Kong is trying to make him deal with his problems.
Although, Godzilla was already juicing up like crazy because he was hearing the Iwi distress calls right? So he knew something was coming and he wanted to help, but he didn't want to hear it when Kong came to actually ask for help.
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I didn't hate Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire, honestly it was awesome!
I just got done watching it so I'm still digesting it, but here are my initial thoughts. Any potential spoilers will go under a break.
I went into GxK that it would be similar to GvK and the other Monsterverse films: big monkey hit big lizard, big lizard breathe laser, big monkey block laser with big axe, and so on. And don't get me wrong, it definitely was all that, all pro wrestling but with big monsters, but in a cooler way than what I thought. I'm still trying to figure out what all made GxK more than what I was expecting, but I think this is the main bit.
In today's media, there seems to basically be two options. Either you make a show on streaming, which means your seasons are too short so you have to sacrifice character to plot. Or you make a two to three hour long movie, which uses a big budget to explain either characters or concept, hopefully with something of a plot to tie it together.
But GxK is a secret third thing. Worldbuilding. Adding to lore. Letting the landscapes they paint and the creatures that inhabit them speak for themselves. There were long stretches of screentime where the titans weren't necessarily fighting, they were just doing their thing, exploring their worlds.
Now obviously we need some humans to A, be able to connect to the story some, and B, know what is actually going on. Because while I would love a completely dialogue kaiju movie, the concepts and gimmicks of the Monsterverse just get too convoluted to figure out without Exposition Lady.
I can confirm that Legendary realized that the less human characters they have the better. The cast was relatively small, and while character development was minimal, they did make me feel some feelings toward some of the humans. But they made the right call not giving them too much of the story. What is this, Godzilla Minus One?
It's not, and if you can go into it knowing that it isn't even close to being the same movie as Minus One, and just watch it as a fun Monsterverse entry, I think you'll love it. The music is great too, better than GvK, imo. VFX were awesome too.
Okay, now for some spoilers, just random extra thoughts:
Godzilla really did the OMG MOTHRA!!! thing from that one meme! And I did too tbh, our Queen is back and beautiful as ever!
I love how it wasn't an instant father/son connection between Kong and Mini-Kong (I don't remember his name). Kong tried to help him out a couple times, but then gave up after MINI KONG TRIED TO KILL HIM LIKE MULTIPLE TIMES! Like come on, this little guy is just chaotic. But like they actually had growth in their trust and relationship, it wasn't just like "me big, you little, I dad now".
Scar King was actually a lot cooler than I was expecting. Shimo/Shimu whatever her name is did not have as big a role as I was expecting, but I'm glad she's okay.
Shout out to Mothra for stopping her boyfriend from killing Kong, helping them in Hollow Earth, and then just chilling when they all went to Rio. She said, "you guys got this, right?"
When I saw there was another hollow earth inside Hollow Earth, I'll admit I had a bit of an eye roll. But they explained it away pretty well.
SCOTTISH GUY THAT SAID SHIT IN STAR WARS. Alex Ferns is literally the same character he was in Andor.
I love how they imply that they basically imply that the Iwi had something to do with building the pyramids in Egypt by having the portal thing open RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. Made a cool setting for the fight, too.
At this point, I have no idea how big the Coliseum actually is.
Last thing, for now. For having top billing, Godzilla wasn't in it as much as I thought he might be. I think Legendary is realizing that if you have a character like Godzilla who can just level up his powers instantly to take on anything, and just kinda does his own thing, you've gotta limit that screen time. Since Kong is kinda humanoid, it's easier to empathize with him and thus add character development. Godzilla can only convey so much emotion that most humans can relate to (obviously Shin and Minus convey a lot of emotions, but anyway). Godzilla is in the movie, but Kong is more of the star. Honestly the world of the Hollow Earth and the Iwi people and their history are almost as much of the focus.
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My GodzillaXKong review *SPOILERS!*
So I went to see godzilla x kong yesterday and omg, this was probably the wildest and craziest godzilla movie yet! There was so much kaiju action cramped into this movie and all of it great. There was so much kaiju action in fact that is was hard to take it all in. a lot of insane stuff happens in this movie that you would not normally see in a monster movie. The movie is indeed very much showa godzilla era vibes, a lot of mythical ancient tribal elements in it. the closest movies I can compare it too is the 1960s mothra vs godzilla movie and the godzilla vs megalon movie. I think this movie is visually stunning, I liked how this movie explored more of the hollow earth and gave us a lot more creatures and environments to make this world feel more alive and I liked the crystal temple area of the Iwi tribe.
I actually really liked kong in this movie because he had a lot more emotion and personality then any of the other previous monsterverse movies and you get a sense of connection with him. With godzilla even though he's not in the movie much, still all his scenes are pretty awesome too, he mostly has these short fights scenes with other monsters for him to gain more power and his rematch fight with kong in cairo is pretty insane, a lot of wacky stuff happens that you don’t normally see in a kaiju fight. I do wish godzilla and kong had teamed up earlier in the movie so they would have more time with each other. Skar king was a great villain, they put a lot of personality into him, he was just one of those villains that is very charismatic and loves being an asshole. Suko is actually a little shit in this movie, I was expecting him to be just this little cute baby ape that people can fawn over, but no he isn’t. At one point in the movie he attacks kong and by the end of the movie he actually stands up to skar king and attack him too. I thought shimo was a pretty good monster, I liked that she was not a true villain in the movie, but more of a kaiju that was being abused and controlled by skar king and that they don’t kill her off at the end. And then of course mothra, I kind of knew she was going to show up in the movie before hand because of spoilers leaks on the internet, but I loved her appearance in the movie. She is not just there for no reason, she does serve a purpose in the movie, mainly to just get godzilla and kong to stop fighting each other and help in the final fight in hallow earth and I’m glad at the fact she does not die at the end.
I thought the human characters were fine, I was not expecting to get a huge amount of screen time with the human cast and I was not expecting the movie to go too much in depth with them because that is not what this movie is for. The best character I thought was actually trapper, he was a very charismatic fun kind of guy. He was pretty much the steve irwin of this movie, as he kind of an animal naturalist for the monsters in this movie. Jia was still good in this movie even though she didn’t have has many scenes interacting with kong. Ilene was just okay as she just served her purpose in the movie. Bernie I didn’t really care for, he started out being funny but as the movie went along he just got annoying because he just wouldn’t shut up and ruined certain scenes.
Some complaints I do have about this movie are I do think it was a bit too rushed, especially with the final battle and the movie kind of ends too quickly. I do wish godzilla was in it a bit more, he just felt more like a plot device just to help kong in the final fight of the movie and not much character development was given to him as it was with kong. And like I said, I wish godzilla and kong had teamed up earlier in the movie so we would get to see them play off each other more. But overall, I had a good experience watching this movie and I would want to watch it again later on.
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can we talk spoilers? (if at least tag them so those who haven't seen it yet can block the tag)
anyway
DOUG STEALS KONG'S LUNCH LOL. He's even so smug about it when Kong relents and lets him have it.
Mothra is so much fluffier this time around! Love how when she breaks up Godzilla and Kong's fight she's almost SCOLDING Goji lol. "Goji! Stop bullying the poor monkey!" "S..sorry, dear..." Jia seems to be her main priestess now tho? Whatever happened to the twin scientists from KOTM? I hope they aren't entirely forgotten and replaced. Maybe they can return as Jia's guides.
Shimo is adorable. I'm glad she got a happy ending and some neck scratches from Kong. Big huggable lizard-horse-kitty.
Suko saves the day by retrieving Kong's axe? Huh. That lil kid pulled his weight a lot more than I'd expected to. Also love his mean streak at the start, he and Kong bickered a lot at first.
And of course, Skar King's very very karmic and brutal demise. I can only imagine the state of him (and Rio de Janeiro's streets) when those ice chunks finally thaw out. Good luck with the cleanup, Monarch.
Everyone make sure you filter "gxk spoilers" because I've been using that tag for everyone not looking to be spoiled!
I think Mothra suddenly becoming an Iwi protector is because supposedly there was going to be another Original MonsterVerse Monster called Phosphora or some-such, but it wasn't well received by test audiences or something so it got reworked into Mothra. I could be misremembering, but that's what I remember hearing. Which is funny, because if memory serves correctly the KOTM end credits hinted at Mothra having already laid an egg before the Boston battle, so... retcon?
I'm really glad Shimo survived the movie, I felt so bad for her being under Skar King's pain control and how she visibly resists him throughout. Even her roars sounded pained. It was really sweet seeing the look in her eyes when the surface world sky is being cleared up, like if she's the source of the last Ice Age then it's been literally thousands upon thousands of years since she's last seen a sky like ours. Hoping we see her again in another movie!
Holy shit, Suko's introduction scene got SO MUCH FUNNIER when he goes from "i'm baby" to biting Kong's finger to being used as a BLUDGEONING WEAPON BY KONG. Suko really chugged that character development juice.
I feel vindicated for not once underestimating Skar King, because he is the most vile MonsterVerse... uh, monster villain we've gotten so far. Ghidorah was a sadistic son of a bitch and Mechagodzilla was a crazy Titan Terminator On Blue Rock Steroids, but Skar King has the heads of fellow Kongs stuck on pikes (presumably to set an example for anyone looking to challenge him), when he mocks Kong's new tooth most of the apes and especially Suko seem to laugh along out of fear, he straight up KICKS an ape into lava, and has actual sex slaves holding babies in his throne room, and you just KNOW they don't consent to what he does to them. On top of him controlling Shimo with pain and his attempts on Suko's life - and considering the number of red/orange-furred babies in the throne room, we can surmise that Suko is one of his own children - Skar King may not have the spectacle or scale Ghidorah had, but my god did it feel good seeing him go down.
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