#same story different ship

[this-blog-needs-a-new-name]

A family portrait 🫰🏼

#more like a family affair but whatever #same story different ship #lol #babies #englot #Palo #Gyo #Phalo #charlotte austin #engfa waraha #Palo? or Phalo #show me love the series #show me love #if you haven't seen it #go watch it #I’m stuck in Thailand yo #beauty pageant #this isn’t mine #if you know the artist #go credit them or tag em #thank you #twitter art

[doverstar]

actually I love Tentoo and he is the Doctor and it was the only ending for Rose that worked and it is a huge gift to be able to have the man she loves grow old with her, they were always heading for that, y'all be quiet. I 100% understand the angst but it's okay, they're okay, good ending-

#did you want her to...not end up with the doctor? #she ended up with the doctor. she ended up with the doctor and they get to AGE together #they get to have a real honest relationship the way they both always genuinely wanted #it's hard that the full time lord version has to carry on without her but that is the way that character's story ALWAYS goes #the doctor does not get to keep ANYONE. it would be a different show if he did #meanwhile there is a version of that same face of his - the one that was MADE for love? particularly born out of love for ROSE? the one 1/2 #2/2 that always wanted a FAMILY? and stability? and a normal life? the tenth doctor longed for that specifically because of rose #now he gets to have it AND be part-human so he doesn't have to watch her get old. he gets old WITH HER #and they're canonically growing their own Tardis so you don't even have to be sad that they're not adventuring in time and space as usual #because they ARE. it's the kindest ending for either character. and if the full time lord hadn't left without either of them- #-he would have had to lose them eventually. lose Rose because she's human? hello? painful? but instead he was selfless and left her- #-with a proper happy ending. which she CHOSE to have so you can't be like “he tricked her!” she chose to kiss one of them and it was Tentoo #they are the same man. Rose won in this scenario. #and I GET IT I am with Billie Piper I think it will always feel a little off that she was left with Tentoo and not the full time lord #I understand. it still makes me a little sad. but I know it's a good ending writing-wise. really the ONLY ending. #yes I know about the popular idea of Immortal!Rose or Bad Wolf Rose or whatever and that's cute and all BUT - it's not a GOOD thing #it's not PREFERABLE to be immortal. Rose doesn't want to live forever. she wants to be with the man she LOVES forever. #she doesn't want to not die or adventure for all time. she wants to be there to hold his hand. and when Tentoo is born she gets THAT! #Immortal!Rose is tragic. the Doctor would not wish the burden of immortality on the woman he loves HELLO #anyway #I ship timepetals. that includes Tentoo/Rose. because he is the doctor #so there #I have more thoughts on Tentoo specifically but I digress #maybe if provoked in an Ask or something idk #doctorrose #timepetals #opinion piece #tenrose #tentoo #handy

[sweetpapercroissant]

i don’t get the appeal of an incest ship if you’re only ever going to focus on the good romantic feelings and not the icky negative ones. the resentment the feeling of being trapped shackled wanting out and away from the person who knows so much too much about you since before you even knew to not allow it but at the same time you can’t imagine living in a world without them being away is like tearing a limb a piece of your soul you will never again be complete without them. no one else will ever understand you the way they do no one else will ever get so deep under your skin and you may hate it but you hate the thought of them not being there even more you can’t stand to see anyone else get to a part of them you didn’t and even worse when they get it before you. you push and you push and you push but when they let go it’s like you’re free falling and it doesn’t matter how far away you run you will never be far enough away because you carry them inside you everywhere you go. you tell yourself you want nothing more than to get away but they’re the only home you will ever have and you won’t ever let anyone get that close you’re already moulded to only fit in perfectly with them and you didn’t have a choice but this is who you are. there’s nothing you could do to make them let you go but there’s nothing you could do to make them let you go. you want to be so close to them you want to merge your bodies into one you hate how crowded you feel when they’re in the same room like they’re sucking in all the air and there isn’t any left for you and you want to get away so you can just breathe but you don’t even want to breathe in the air that hasn’t passed through their lungs first you hate that you feel this way you wish you could claw it out of your veins but then who would you be without it without them you want so much and it’s so ugly and you’re ashamed of how raw that need is how you want every part the good the bad the human you wish none of this had ever happened you feel dirty you never even had a chance to find something else be something else but then you look over and you love them so much so much and when it comes down to it nothing else was ever going to be enough for you anyway.

#and this is all still just one type of the different dynamics possible #and even then i haven’t covered everything #it’s all just one tight hot mess of feelings. and it’s so good #there is still much much more and i wanted to write it but it was just getting so long #this isn’t targeted at anyone person or fandom but i have recently noticed an increasing trend of (that is probably just my dash tho) #treating incest ships as primarily romantic and. that just takes away everything that makes them so engaging in the first place #to each their own i don’t believe in telling people how to enjoy their fiction but i just don’t understand it is all #you do you i’m not judging or huffy about it or anything. and obviously i’m not talking about #making fluffy feel good posts/art/stories etc about your ships #but treating these ships the same way and looking at them mainly through the lens of romantic relationships #will just leave you with a huge part of them missing #and you can’t really understand their dynamics and their interactions without that very important context (they were family first) #which is also the foundation of their relationship #.txt

[vaxxman]

I have so much brainrot about Medic's wife, specifically the design from the comic doodles that Makani drew, I'm so ready to draw a whole comic about her, man I love hallucinating.

#60 seconds till mission begins rambles #But also I have so many things to do I could cry #I don't like engaging in fights about which ships are valid in the eyes of canon etc #I've seen many people try to ignore medic's wife's potential existence because it would invalidate the possibility of him being gay #insisting the doodles were drawn before Makani joined Valve; and Demo's domination line just being gibberish etc etc #That's sad to me because I think she's a REALLY cool character and I cry about her never ever coming to the official material #So listen to me; headcanon; what about #He's bisexual (and discovers he has a preference for men) #boom #we win🏳‍🌈 #also the doodles where his wife appears are the same doodles where he's smooching heavy so why are you only reading half of the scriptures? #I'm just foaming at the mouth about the idea of Medic having a female best friend who he married and who understands him in a different way #I just like the idea of both of them being opportunistic and marrying for the societal benefits a marriage gave you back in the days #and like being the only other person to have enough blackmail material on the other #Ok no I cant talk more about this I'll give away the entire story I have in my head

[carolinelikesdinner]

I feel like Bracken/Brackendra had the potential to be like. Not Weird if Brandon Mull actually wrote it that way. Like if he had actually made it so that Bracken was actually mentally 17 and not a full grown unicorn (see: Bracken having his third horn and reaching "maturity") and made Kendra, well, not 14 when they met. Brandon Mull seems to go back and forth on whether or not its weird for them to have feelings for eachother (it is, at least the way Brandon wrote it). In ROTDS when Ronodin proposes to Kendra, she's like "omg ew,,ur so much older than me" and then. Calls Bracken her boyfriend. You know. The guy thats the same age as Ronodin.

When Bracken first appeared in the prison with Seth, I actually really liked him. He was witty and actually had some personality. But then when Kendra met him, all his personality became reduced to "ok guys let’s give Kendra a straight love interest because we killed the last one in the previous book". I just feel like the two Brackens we met are so different in terms of how they interact with the story. Sorry for ranting but as a previous Brackendra girlie its just interesting to think about

#does this make sense #the same applies to ships like gavindra and ronodra #how the story treats ronodin x kendra vs. bracken x kendra is so strange to me because like. #theyre in the same fucking boat lmao #make there be a 'maturity difference' for both or for neither. you cant just pick and choose when or when not its weird dawg #- #fablehaven #bracken #anti brackendra #(?) #its not really antibrackendra but like. i feel like its better to be safe than sorry lol #caroline rants

[dorianwolfforest]

How would your OC be mischaracterized by the general fandom if they were a real character on jorvik?

Cause I know people would see Rebeca as a “smol bean who looks like they could kill you but is actually an uwu cinnamon bun” just because they have a soft spot for Dorian when in reality they literally would just kill you. I also feel like some ppl would HC Dorian as transmasc instead of him just being a dude.

#I feel like rose would be a popular /mc ship for the same reason Sabine is a popular /mc ship #sso #ssoblr #mischaracterized as in: they get to know your character but choose to view them differently from how the story portrays then #see: Sabine is an evil ancient being. fandom consider her a muscular dommy mommy

[a-problematic-writer]

I know I’ve been in the MCSM fandom too long because people use Lukesse and Jesskas interchangeably now. (Boomer VC) Back in MY day, Lukesse was for Fem!Jesse/Lukas and Jesskas was for Masc!Jesse/Lukas…

#///kyler talks #///kyler rambles #mcsm #minecraft story mode #local fandom veteran thrown for loop by these kids changing the game more at 7 #this isn’t a serious post btw lmao #it’s just fascinating seeing the fandom evolve #I love seeing opinion on Aiden changing as well #so many ppl at least like him #back then liking Aiden was a good way to get bulllied #NEVERMIND if you liked Aidesse my GOD #can FEEL the kids going ‘sure grandpa let’s get u back to bed’ on this one #it’s true though! #they were different ships #same thing for Jesstra (F!Jesse/Petra) and Jetra (M!Jesse/Petra) #think there might have been and Aidesse (F!Jesse/Aiden) and Jaiden (M!Jesse/Aiden) thing going on but it’s just Aidesse now #Jaiden is for Jaime/Aiden Teehee 💕💕💕 #<- my beloved idiots 💕💚💕💚💕

[welcometoteyvat]

jing yuan and yanqing are giving zhongli and xiao if the latter’s canon relationship was Actually fanon’s made up father figure/adopted child dynamic

#idkkkkkkkkkkkkk who looks at zx and is like 'you know what. this is a healthy parent child relationship' #like girl by fitting them into father son boxes you are actively making their relationship imbalance Worse #if you do that and dont shy away from it i respect that but if you say dad/son makes their relationship more wholesome or whatever like WHY #now i wont deny shippers might do that too but i see the dad son version so much i think im just averse to it by default #also because i think father son makes people actively Try to make their relationship something that its not and it erases a bunch of subtlet #subtleties in it. it's the nuanced r/ship -> entirely unproblematic and flavorless r/ship that i hate #also the number of people who'll block if you ship zx. like damn thats crazy you guys really think theyre father son (fake)??? #at their peak they're like. 4000 year old guys who have too much history and repression and some weird entanglement of 'nah im bothering him #too much' and 'gotta protect him w my life' complexes. and then this devolves into theyre never gonna kiss until 3000 more years have passed #listen they just Contain Multitudes idc if you dont ship it just dont make it into dad and son and we will be so gucci #jing.yuan and yanqing are like different i think mostly bc yanqing is actually like a minor and jing yuan is also a normal ish person #plus the light cone and the abouts?? yeah this is an actual like adopted parent/child thing #also good or bad news i caved and am now playing hsr. the plan is to pull yanqing and then go on infinite hiatus in the game 👍 #JWKFLJWEK i dont think theres really any draws for me besides him. personally neutral on turn based combat and the open world isn't giving #the only saving grace i have rn is 1) ive gotten to the part where bron.seele is real and man theyre gay 2) trailblazer trio 3) tall female #mc 4) everyone has way better emoting abilities than genshin 5) su.shang's really cute <3 #the story doesnt really interest me though its like cool but not mindgrippingly interesting #tbf i think genshin is the same way storyline wise (at the beginning) but the difference is that turn based combat isnt really my thing LMAO #ramblings! #zhongxiao #if you want to filter it out ??

[this-blog-needs-a-new-name]

My favourite scene 🙈 Spoilers!

#i’m obsessed #lol #same story different ship #hahaha #don’t follow if you don’t believe in trauma drama #englot #engfa waraha #charlotte austin #show me love #show me love the series #beauty pageant

[kraviolis]

if there is one hill i will die on its being very against the constant trend of everyone saying “omg siblings!!” about every single friendship between a man & a woman in fiction.

#its the same concept as constantly shipping a man & a woman together despite them just being friends. #MEN & WOMEN CAN JUST BE FRIENDS. THATS FINE. THEY DONT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SIBLINGS #this is about the doctor & donna btw. theyre not fucking siblings theyre just best friends. there is a difference. #i was ready to die on this same hill about hunter & luz before she literally in the show adopted him as her brother #which is FINE i really love them being siblings it makes sense for their dynamic as their friendship developed in the story #but not every single friendship between a man and a woman has to be labeled like that. it annoys me so much #krav talks

[guideaus]

i'm not sure if this chapter will get animated in this season, but i really wonder how the fandom would have reacted to marcille here if she wasnt an already established main character who was introduced like:

compared to shuro's more serious intro:

#personal #delicious in dungeon spoilers #dungeon meshi spoilers #because... its almost in the exact same way as shuro #seperated from falin. comes back. tries to take her from laios. both recognizes falin's interests (bugs). thinks the one she's with isnt #doing things right. marcille/shuro is more concerned than falin. and neither wants to speak to laios #the difference is falin isnt there to diffuse the situation (kabru had to) and laios was less interested in marcille. while laios had littl #interest in kabru. #like if shuro didnt exist/marcille came into the story there would they call her a elitist possessive bitch unlike now where everyone loves #f*rcille #not hating on that ship btw but i just feel its crazy when no romance in the series is canon and shuro and kabru are hated on now

[lord-squiggletits]

Idk if my previous posts were unclear but I don't remotely hate any Optimus version that isn't IDW or think they suck. Every Optimus is good and there's a fan (or multiple fans!) of every version of OP no matter how obscure or underrated (as well as all the other characters).

What's more questionable (or at least annoying) is when fandom ignores canon character personalities in favor of writing specific archetypes that are either out of character or repetitive/stereotyped to the point of annoyance. As an example of this, it would be a female character being called the Team Mom just because she's a woman existing in a group of (primarily male) characters even if she's not remotely motherly or nurturing. Or, as a more topical example, how often I've seen Transformers ships where even though both characters are canonically masculine (or gender neutral), fanartists love to turn one of the characters small and weak (or even outright feminine) to turn the ship into Strong Dominant Seme and Sweet Cute Uke to fit a specific kink or romantic fantasy, even if it's a disservice/OOC to portray those characters like that.

In other words, a fandom's popularity of certain characters, ships, headcanons, etc is often more informed by tropes and forcing canon to adhere to one's personal tastes, as opposed to approaching canon and trying to understand it on its own terms. I'm not talking about the quality of the source material, but rather the way that the fandom interprets the source materials in ways that don't make any sense, approach it in bad faith, or just generally don't care about canon at all. So I'm not saying one OP is better than another, my problem is when fandom consistently focuses on certain stereotypes or flanderizations of a character, and then any character that doesn't fit the popular (often stereotyped) mold is ignored or virulently rejected. In other words, I think popular fandom often does a DISSERVICE to characters whether they love them or hate them, it just takes different forms.

So, just as an example, I think one fandom caricature of Optimus that I see a lot (and heavily dislike) is making Optimus some sort of shrinking wallflower type who's innocent, sweet, and virginal, in contrast to an opposite caricature of Megatron that's big, strong, dominant, and rugged, and making ship art that forces the characters into some kind of seme/uke or borderline heteronormative romance. Despite the fact that canon Optimus (in, say, TFP for example) is tall, broadly built, deep voiced, dignified, assertive, and strong (physically and morally), completely incorrect interpretations of him as a shy feminized uke type are still pretty common to find. And it makes you ask yourself why it is so many people make MOP ship art of them of The Small One and The Large One or The Small, Cute One and The Big, Violent One when it's completely different from canon. It feels as if such fanart is made by people who just want to see seme/uke style slash ships, and if canon doesn't give them what they want, they'll simply trash it and replace it with their own version, even if it's completely OOC.

So when I said in my other post that people don't like IDW Optimus because he can't be fit into caricatures like happy dad or shy twink, I'm not saying it to say "other OPs who resemble that suck," I'm saying it to express "Fandom tends to simplify characters into easily palatable and comfortable tropes, and when they encounter a character they can't do that with, they respond by ignoring or even hating on that character."

Other versions of Optimus have the problem where fandom turns them into a stereotype instead of the actual character they are, e.g. portraying TFA OP as some poor abused damsel with no self confidence and crippling anxiety being abused by his superiors, and then they talk more about this fake uwu smoll bean cinnamon roll version of TFA OP than they do about actual canon TFA OP. And honestly I can't think of any prominent content/meta about G1 OP that isn't just "he plays basketball and does funny one liners and is Team Dad/Grandpa." (Hell, you even get that with non-Optimus characters that get simplified to just sexy twink, old grandpa, comedy relief, evil ex, Diversity Win-- She's A Lesbian, third wheel to the favored ship, etc even though there's way more depth to them than just their surface level stereotype.)

IDW OP's problem is that he can't be stereotyped like that so instead the fandom ignores him. He's not small, so they can't stereotype him as a skinny twink getting topped by a burly uke. He's not jovial or happy go lucky or extroverted, so they can't stereotype him as Team Dad or Comedy Relief. He's assertive, blunt, and has a temper, so they can't stereotype him as a shy wallflower in need of protecting. He makes catastrophic mistakes and is responsible for bad things happening, so they can't stereotype him into a sweet cinnamon roll who has never done anything wrong in his whole life or The Infinitely Wise and Kind Paragon. There's no Big Bad Authority Figure who was mean to IDW OP and traumatized him, so they can't excuse the bad things he did as "he's traumatized so he couldn't help it" and wave away his flaws as "it's his abuser's fault, they made him this way." IDW OP has the kind of depression where he's grumpy, shut off, and angry-- as opposed to the shy, sad kind of depression that just stares forlornly out of the window in a beautifully tragic way-- so they can't make him into a sad woobie kicked around unfairly by life.

Or I guess they just stereotype IDW OP as "evil bastard with no redeeming qualities that's mean to everyone for no reason, plus the writers forced everyone to like him just because he's Optimus Prime" even though that isn't accurate either.

Put bluntly, IDW OP forces fandom to contend with the idea that someone can be a good person with good intentions but still fuck up on a massive scale and maybe end up hurting more than they helped. IDW OP is messy, ugly, flawed, mean, stoic, closed off. When IDW OP has mental breakdowns or has his feelings hurt, he's loud and angry and harsh, and the consequences of what he did while he was unwell continue to haunt him long after. In other words, he actually experiences negative emotions the way a real person would, and sometimes when he's under the influence of negative emotions, he lashes out or does stupid things (like a real person might) instead of inoffensively crying in a corner somewhere. He isn't sanitized enough for a fandom that only wants Perfect Pure Good Optimus Who Never Hurts Anyone Even By Accident, so instead of IDW OP's mistakes and dark moments being treated as the logical end point of a person put in constant no-win situations until he breaks, he gets treated as if his mistakes and flaws make him an irredeemable bastard with no good qualities who should've fucked up less often to make fans actually like him.

And this is all in a fandom where 90% of the characters are war criminals and a good half of them have massacred organic planets. But god forbid IDW Optimus ever make a bad decision in a stressful situation. Or be mean to someone. Or have a character arc about how blindly idolizing people as paragons ends badly for everyone involved because no one can be that perfect. He is simply The Worst Optimus Ever and there's absolutely nothing about him worth discussing.

And just to be clear, the problem isn't the fact that some people don't like IDW OP, or he's just not their thing and they don't care.

The problem is the fact that he's consistently and actively hated by the fanbase who makes a concentrated effort to say he sucks and make sure none of their fan works ever include him. It's literally at a level where I stopped looking in the Optimus tag on this website because I was tired of people randomly going "and btw IDW OP sucks and I want to drown him in a ditch" in posts that weren't even about IDW, and I stopped looking for MegOP fic on AO3 because most of it is IDW Megatron/clearly TFP or G1 inspired continuity soup Optimus. Places that are Optimus friendly for Optimus fans, where I could reasonably expect to find positive conversations, but instead get sucker punched by hate about the character The Space Is About. And I can't even have conversations asking about why they do, bc the way 90% of them talk, I can tell they literally just didn't read the comics or deliberately misinterpreted the story.

I find it bizarre and frankly, tragic, that the hate train for IDW OP is so pervasive that people actively erase and replace him from fan works IN THE IDW UNIVERSE in a way that no other character is targeted in. I have tried so hard to understand why IDW OP gets this sort of hate and erasure when other characters who were as bad or worse than him have perfectly normal takes about them that go "yeah he kinda sucks but he's cool and I like him" or "who cares if he's problematic IRL, it's a story." The only conclusion I can come to is that because Optimus Prime (TM) has a specific brand image and is locked into being a cultural icon, he's held to a standard of The Ideal Perfect Hero instead of the way better standard of "Is he an interesting, well written character?"

#squiggposting #discourse #i tried my best to phrase this in a way that didnt invalidate different tastes #but like honestly. some ppls tastes suck. or are actually problematic and not in a fake way #like as an example from the main text avoe #i hate it so much when gay ships are made seme/uke - dominant/submissive - fem/masc #when that not only isnt in character or accurate to canon. but is also really boring at best or homophobic at worst #i cant control ppl's opinions but i can still think theyre boring stupid or even downright offensive #i have SEEN pretty much every popular TF character or pairing get flanderized somehow #so it's not just my attachment to OP in larticular #and i find it very frustrating when it seems as if ppl arent fans of the very media they consume #and they turn an interesting story into cookie cutter stereotypes #and then when the story isnt a cookie cutter stereotype easily divisible into black and white #they hate the characters and story and call it trash #might delete later bc i feel cring #but this is oretty much the culmination of all the thoughts and discussions ive had #with multiple people #anyways ive seen enough fandom discourse posts about The State of Fandom #and The Same 5 Tropes Recycled just copy pasted into different fandoms #what i speak of isnt just about my fave. rather my fave is a victim of this fandom tencency #and it is a FACT that fandom will force characters into offensive stereotypes that dont even make sense #tldr sometimes fanon.....is way worse than canon #also i revised and edited this like a billion times to make sure i wasnt hasty or vague or mean #so if i still made a mistake. whatever i guess this post took hours #it's not about wanting absolutely everyone to love my favorite #it's about the fact that ppl actively hate him even in spaces that are about him/ships he's in #to the point i have to not interact with strangers bc i never know if my fsve will randomly get shit on #and on top that the hate is mostly based on surface level assumptions and misinformation #so not only is my fav hated in a way no other character is. they dont even hate him for canon facts #sucks to see the fandom so thoroughly full of hate by ppl who arent informed bc they never gave canon a chance

[nana-glass-chillhop-radio-hour]

Paige Duplass is such a badass. "If my sternly worded emails couldn't keep my coworker from being ritually lowered into the maw of capitalism, maybe my new god of sacrifice and grief (which I created with the help of my estranged father and a wet cat of a man on the run from 2 separate governments) will."

#'as per my last new god' #the silt verses #paige duplass #I'm sorry but she and Carpenter are fuckin made for each other #queerplatonic paige + carpenter rights #i really want to see the scene where paige's god has gone horribly awry and she's explaining the whole mess to carpenter who just showed up #and she's like 'i know in hindsight it was stupid and hubristic to think i could fix things #'the master's tools etc etc' #and carpenter's like 'are you kidding? stop apologizing and file a civil union w me immediately' #'implaceable hatred for our oppressors AND a total lack of foresight in opposing the systems that grind us to dust? um. qpp wife material' #listen i know the qpp paige + carpenter ship consists of me and like 2 other ppl I'm not saying it's gonna happen #I'm not saying it SHOULD happen #only that I'm deeply invested in queering the story beats of the 'love saves the day' fantasy #by substituting explicitly nonromantic yet emotionally fraught queer relationship grounded in shared experiences of resistance & solidarity #and just seeing what's different and what's the same #i love a good straightforward queer romance too but there's a lot of fun to be had outside the confines of romantic relationships #in life and in fiction #this turned into a manifesto jesus

[bunnyplushy]

i was gonna remake the lil character bio pages for these two but with how long those took, i'm just gonna post the sketched out redesigns instead :') later on i'll draw some fancy art of these two when i get a day off work again

i also slightly altered how they both kinda exist and why ragdoll is considered modern with like, a really basic timeline i made that shows the change and how they technically are different

there is a bit more detail but i kept it simple for now, i may draw how ragdoll basically came to be and how they ended up separated from the show itself with no memory of it vrsiondko

#plushy doodles #oc #original character #self insert oc #welcome home oc #welcome home fan character #welcome home fandom #plushy cottontail #plushy fluff #they both get their own tags since they are technically different from each other and yet at the same time not #i would make a much more in depth timeline of how ragdoll comes to be as a character but it would be so lengthy and hard to fully describe #their backstory would need more of a comic or written story to get more detail in #i did kinda start writing one but scrapped it early on when i didn't have a strong idea on how they actually were made to exist fdsjvroe #i'll make fun art for these two at some point since they are self inserts for me to ship myself with wally #and before anyone asks: ragdoll isn't a reboot au of puppet plushy- i am working on a design for them in that au tho-

[brazilian-whalien52]

One thing that stands out to me in sterek is that it is actually pretty different than other famous queer popular ships because it's not with the main character?

When I started teen Wolf I just knew there was a popular gay ship, automatically first episode I supposed it was Scott and Derek. Scott being the one standing up for good while he has a rivals/enemy relationship with Derek, they stand on different sides of the "same coin". However, although I do not have anything against the ship, I never feel the "tchan" and god I was trying. Until the pool moment in season two that I just felt the chemistry between Stiles and Derek, I become obsessed with them and the rest is story.

Honestly, Scott and Stiles were also a ship option that was childhood friends to lovers. Both also got pretty strong moments.

And this also just makes me way more annoyed that sterek never got canon. What do you mean we can't even get "the best friend sidekick x grumpy frenemy" being gay

#sterek #like be for real #we are letting your protagonist being straight and have hus straight love story #this is not hate for the gay ships mentioned with scott and the two because they were actually good even if i didn't feel anything for them #just pointing out that sterek was more popular and please popularity ≠ quality #also my personal taste is not the same as saying anything about quality #(me being edtra careful to not start unnecessary ship wars when the point is just how different sterek is since its the biggest ship without #the protagonist)

[weewoobrainrot]

they let ice and mav hug so why not rooster and hangman???

#obviously i ship them #but #also even platonically #it would've brought the story full circle #ice and mav saved eachother and overcame their differences and competitiveness #rooster and hangman did the exact same #y'all could've brought it literally full circle #smh smh #top gun #tom iceman kazansky #pete maverick mitchell #icemav #top gun maverick #bradley rooster bradshaw #jake hangman seresin #sereshaw