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#perfect victimhood
honeylemony · 5 days
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Some people need to unlearn that shit that's like ""being queer is inherently pain and suffering and weirdness and ostracism and we're so quirky and the more quirky and hated you are the more queer you are 🤪🤪""
While it's true that our marginalization is an experience we can understand and connect over, I need you people to STOP FUCKING SAYING that queer reality is absolutely defined by being ostracized and alone and misunderstood.
Do you understand what kind of future and community you're building for queer kids. A community filled with doomerist self-martyring where only the most suffering or misunderstood are the most worthy queer. Do you see the white christofascist roots.
Compounding identities do not make you more queer. "weird" or "hard to understand" identities do not make you more queer. Your pain and suffering do not make you more queer. Oppression is not a symptom of being queer.
Queer people do not need to present perpetual victimhood to be queer.
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butch--dean · 1 year
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I'm working on getting back into the groove of drawing again for the first time in? 5 years? and all my brain wants me to do is. spn fanart but as cards from the rider waite tarot deck. all I can think is cas as the hanged man but god I am way too out of practice to render the trench coat upside down
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kennabeth · 1 year
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wait why does mo annoy you? just curious
TERRIBLE choices that aren't even funny to make up for it
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atmospheradraws · 2 years
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Just remembering when I was still naive and I didn’t believe women who made shit up about abuse/rape etc existed (because the thing itself was so heinous and why would anyone do that) and then I met a woman who literally told me she’d slept with a guy, regretted it, and got him thrown out of uni by saying he sexually assaulted her. She laughed while she told me about it. I then saw her pull the same shit at parties where she’d try to force herself on people and then when she felt embarrassed the next day she’d say they’d come onto her even if they’d actively tried to get away from her. She frequently tried to touch me without consent. After growing up on tumblr she was a real wake up call to the real world. 
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isnt-it-too-dreamy · 2 months
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i'm sick and tired of ppl unable to see and to call out a genocide until it's written down for them in a history book. ppl afraid to say anything that puts them outside the narrow corridor of things that are safe, non-consequential and ultimately useless to say. how arrogantly they talk abt the complexities of the situation. as if they're wiser than everybody else. for staying "objective"—as if being "objective" and staying neutral abt something not directly affecting you isn't the easiest fucking thing to do. but even back then, it was like this. it was always just like this, just the way it is today. the liberal acceptance that in the imperial core we have little understanding for the life situations of others only goes so far. it's easy to stand here in peace and proudly proclaim your moral cleanness or whatever. but we were never forced into such decisions. we are born and expect to live out our full lives. but there are people so bereft of comfort they will fight and die for their cause. when were we ever put in a situation like this. there are things that can't be done in a "clean" way, some things just aren't beautiful. they can't be. but how could we even conceive of that. nobody needs our fucking "morally superior" western commentary. "it's easy to be a saint in paradise"... of course ironically this too is western commentary.
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psychonyashki · 4 months
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I hate how I’m not even good at being a victim. I wish I was the perfect innocent victim with no harmful thoughts so people looked at me with concern and love and condescension
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ri5k · 11 months
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everybody wants to be the perfect victim but the truth is that abuse and trauma make you a worse person (and that's okay). we can all readily admit to depression and anxiety but what about exaggerated self importance in the form of neuroticism, or how believing in your own victimhood makes you think your feelings are more important than others'? what about envy and jealousy, and constant distrust? what about volatile emotional reactions, however you justify them to yourself? these things actually hurt real people who matter. i am guilty. i want to change.
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apollos-olives · 5 months
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you have absolutely no right to judge, condemn, or claim anything at all over how an oppressed people act or speak against their oppressors. you have absolutely NO right to claim that "they should have done it peacefully" or that if you were in the same situation, you would "not act the same way" they did. you have absolutely no damn idea how you would act. no one can predict how they would act in the face of brutal and horrifying situations.
what, so you didn't like how that little palestinian boy used the wrong term when talking about zionists?? have you considered shutting the fuck up?
what, so you didn't like that rebellion naturally became violent against the oppressors, even if the oppressors were "civilians"??? have you considered shutting the fuck up?
what, so you didn't like how the palestinians are fighting back because it ruined your view of perfect victimhood???? have you considered shutting the fuck up?
you have absolutely no right. no fucking right. you have no right to condemn an oppressed people over how, why, where, and what they are fighting back against. you have no goddamn right. just because it got violent doesn't mean anyone- ANYONE- deserves genocide. honestly fuck you. if you are gonna police the way an oppressed people act against their oppressors i genuinely hope you rot in hell. fuck you. fuck you fuck you fuck you. free palestine
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[watching two AOT fans fight in the comments] incredible. I both agree AND disagree with BOTH of you.
#- HK#there are certain characters who - had they been introduced as protagonists rather than villains - would have been beloved#by their strongest haters#not because they would’ve excused their actions but because their victimhood would’ve been the first thought#and not the afterthought#i am speaking of the Warriors once again#i feel it is important to note that while Reiner may have had the mental breakdown#they were all raised under dysfunctional - perhaps traumatic - circumstances before they ever joined the Warrior program#especially Annie#holy crap let’s look at Annie for a second#born outside the internment zone. is found to be Eldian. abandoned by her parents in the internment zone.#found by a bitter opportunist who essentially abuses her from infancy into becoming the perfect child weapon#one day she cracks and beats him so badly she permanently cripples him#this makes him HAPPY because it means he succeeded#she enters the Warriors program where the brainwashing gets cranked up x 3000#she makes no friends and kills things for … amusement? leisure? fascination?#is forced to EAT A PERSON at 11 years old#is sent on a deadly mission at 11 YEARS OLD to eat MORE PEOPLE#as she’s leaving her ‘father’ repents and begs her to come back#she INSTANTLY forgives him because obviously this is all any child has ever wanted#but now she HAS to complete the mission because if she FAILS she gets EATEN and her father gets KILLED#her comrade gets EATEN on the mission and she has to be the one to keep her head#then - as 11 year olds - she and her comrades commit what is essentially a terrorist attack the likes of which we have never seen#an act of war and a mass slaughter#then they assimilate into a society of devils who turn out to be simply people#this is the first place Annie makes a friend mind you.#Bertholdt tried but he was too much like her. too guilty like her.#then they repeat the atrocity as 15 year olds#then Reiner makes Annie hold Marco down while they take his 3DMG and leave him for dead#that’s when she realizes he’s lost his mind and maybe she will too
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existingtm · 2 months
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I think one of the reasons I'm absolutely insane about Jun Mochizuki's work is because she's the only person I've seen do a perfect execution of the "abused becomes the abuser" trope.
All of the characters in Pandora Heart and Vanitas no Carte are incredibly morally complex. They're heart wrenching, relatable, endearing, aggravating, and endlessly flawed.
MochiJun puts us in the uncomfortable position of confronting that victims can be perpetrators, that those who are hurt can hurt others, that sometimes, people you love are bad, and sometimes you love bad people.
Abuse is never justified; it's handled by different characters in a variety of ways. It's repressed, reciprocated, passed on, and stopped. MochiJun shows victims become awful people, not inherently because they were abused, but because of who they are as people and how that shapes the way they deal with abuse.
She shows victims as the complex people they are beyond victimhood. There are characters who are just and kind after facing abuse, and ones who are twisted and cruel. Most delightfully, she brings us characters who are both.
The heroes of her stories choose love, gentleness, compassion, and mercy. She shows that our choices matter, that our relationships are integral to who we are.
I think of how some of the characters, in spite of these forgiving traits, are not required to forgive their abusers in order to be seen as virtuous figures. They're allowed to stand their ground, even if it's violent to do so.
I think of how, at the same time, some characters are loved despite being abusive, because a tender character sees more in them than evil. Because abuse comes from people, and people are endlessly complex.
I think of how the heroes of the story tear themselves apart for the violence they inflict, and are shown the most painful love in return. How that love often comes in the form of calling them out on their bullshit.
I love the love in Pandora Hearts and in Vanitas no Carte because it's painfully human in the face of horrors beyond mortal comprehension.
I love the flaws in the characters because they're painfully human despite some of these characters' otherworldly natures.
Jun Mochizuki doesn't show us the abused becoming abusers to give us the idea that abuse is an unstoppable cycle, but rather to show that it is stoppable. To show that people have a choice in who they become. And that's one of the most wonderful and terrible things about people.
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I believe this is the tiktok op is talking about. For those who don't feel like opening the link, here's what it says:
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This is yet another case of Alicent stans being pissy when confronted with the truth of her character and taking it out on Rhaenyra. The poster of the tiktok is simply pointing out Alicent's hypocrisy and how readily she sacrificed her daughter for her ambition.
Apparently op believes Rhaenyra stans are making up actual facts of the story? I know they didn't read the book, but did they even watch the actual show? The main reason why Rhaenyra is seen as a better mother than Alicent is because we actually see how they treat their children.
Alicent takes every opportunity she has to instill treason into her sons. She teaches Aemond that Rhaenyra's sons are below him and constantly yells at Aegon that he's the "true heir". She actively allows Aegon to bully Aemond, as long as he does is in private. She full on physically assaults him when she thinks he's being too disgraceful in public.
With Helaena, it doesn't really matter how nicely Alicent treated her. Ultimately, Helaena is treated by her mother as a method to support Aegon's claim and give him "true Targaryen" heirs.
In the show, this is made even more disgusting because Alicent herself was forced to marry at a young age and have children she didn't want. She forced her only daughter to marry Aegon, who bullied and demeaned her, at fucking thirteen, this likely being when Helaena started menstruating. That's not being just a "flawed mother", that's a woman sacrificing her daughter in the name of blind ambition and treason.
I'm sure Alicent did love her children, in her own demented way. But she didn't love them enough to spare them from her and her father's ambitions. Alicent sacrificed each of her children for the throne and lived to see them all die for it.
Rhaenyra loved her children more than anything, part of the reason she fought so hard was for them. She knew Alicent's psychopathic sons would kill them if she surrendered. Every scene of Rhaenyra and her children, we see how much she cares about them and how tenderly she treats them. No, Rhaenyra isn't a perfect mother, but her sons never doubt for a moment that she loves them.
Not to mention that Rhaenyra actually respects their opinions, she included Jace, Luke, and even Baela and Rhaena in her war councils, and takes their opinions seriously. Alicent doesn't listen to her daughter or treat her like an adult. Aegon she drags around like a reluctant chess piece, one she beats because she can't deal with the the fact that she raised a rapist, but doesn't actually care enough to not make him the most powerful man in the realm. Aemond she treats as her emotional support, which is interesting given how completely unstable the guy is.
Op is another example of how Alicent stans don't actually like Alicent as a character, they like her aesthetic and victimhood. They hate how Alicent actually is written and lash out at anyone who points out who she really is.
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fuckalicent · 4 months
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people cling so desperately to the perfect victimhood-ified alicent they have created in their heads that they aren’t even remotely ready to entertain the idea that her trauma perhaps did indeed turn her into the very monster she spent her entire life fearing and that she passed that same paranoia and insanity onto her children
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joesalw · 8 days
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As a neutral listener (I call TS my fav "basic pop girl" irl) my big problem is I cannot get behind the biographical nature of her music anymore. Perfect example in this album: But Daddy I Love Him. I LIKE that song, but I can't listen to it keeping in mind it's about Matty. All that dramatic forbidden lovers fighting against judgment of society bullshit over your fans correctly pointing out your reboud-fling/fellow cheater is a proofed racist sexist bigot? You call him the love of your life, of-fucking-course people are going to question YOUR morals too. And then he drops your ass and you slander him - not for all the aformentioned reasons, but because he struggled with drug-addiction? Girl. GIRL.
Whole TTPD is proof of this huge parodox where she build her fame on the diary-like relatable nature of her lyrics, but now there's this huge disconnet between her over-dramatic victimhood and her being a BILLIONARE who takes ZERO political and social stands and use her influence only to sell 2874 products per year to her fans. Sure, she's a human being and she's got her pains and problems, but the level of self-mythology and auto-celebration has reached comical levels.
Now I'm sure lots of people identifies with her words, personally my aro-ace ass can only appreciate her lyrics when I connect them with my fav books and fictional characters, but that's me. Main problem is, there's just a huge gap between her overdramatic egotistic ass and the stark privilege of her life. I think that's why Folkmore worked so well with everyone, the fictional nature of it was perfect. She IS good at telling a story, but she lacks the self-reflection and self-irony to tell HERS.
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purgemarchlockdown · 1 month
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Muu's such a great character. She's so trapped in this horrific cycle of idolization and victimhood and especially the idea of "ideal victimhood" and power gained from pity that she dooms herself to this constant cycle of being hurt over
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She's drowning in it, this idea of being everyone's perfect victim. This perfect role model of what a true victim should be like. The most acceptable person in the room because if you were upset at her you'd be a monster who likes hurting people.
Muu: So, in other words, I should just become someone you’re fond of. And, if I do that, you’ll forgive me, right?
Muu: No matter the circumstances, it’s always the bullies who are in the wrong! Isn’t that obvious? Warden-san, you’re so smart, but you don’t even know things like that? Maybe you should take some lessons on morals or something.
Why should She take responsibility if She's the one getting hurt?
T1Q9: Do you have apologetic feelings for who you killed? A: The person who did the wrong thing first should apologize.
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Sure she might hurt others but it's right if She does it because she's the victim in this situation and everyone else are the bullies.
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Muu: So if I paid back what my bullies did to me, that would be revenge, right? And if you feel like I had no other choice than that, then don’t you have to forgive me?
But is it really?
Hold on. It’s not my fault You knew it, right?
It's easy to squash bugs, their just vermin, any power they Could have comes in sheer numbers really. (I can confirm I have too many ants living in my home.)
She's powerful as long as she's pitiful, but she can't be pitiful if she's powerful. She's just eternally trapped moving in circles. Great Character I love her dearly.
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