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mlchaelwheeler · 2 years

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Love confessions and framing

I know the monologue has been discussed so much since V2 came out, but I just wanted to bring attention to the specific framing used during that scene vs. the shed scene from S2.

Typically, during a romantic moment in a tv series (especially a confession of love), the camera keeps tight shots on the two characters of interest. This is to create the sense that it's only the two of them in that moment, as well as to create a sense of intimacy and mutual understanding between the two. Why is this important? Because the monologue is not framed in this way, which is very strange if this is supposed to be the "ultimate mi|even moment." What is framed in this way however? You guessed it-- the shed scene.

It's important to note that during the monologue, Mike has to be pushed by Will to even tell El he loves her. She's clearly struggling in the mindscape, but Mike just sits there until Will tells him he's the heart (which are really Will's feelings, which Mike responds to). Once Mike starts talking though, you'd expect the camera to zoom in on his and El's faces, as a way to focus all attention on them-- as it is supposed to be their big moment. Yet what happens? Will is in nearly every shot of Mike, clearly in the background. This is for a multitude of reasons: he urged Mike to confess, he's actually the one with those feelings for Mike, he's the one Mike is really in love with, etc. Mike is literally piggybacking off of Will's feelings for him, thinking those are El's feelings. Honestly, when El hears Mike confessing his love for her, she doesn't even look that happy (most likely because she heard that he couldn't say it without urging from Will).

Notice how Will is right behind Mike, very clearly in the shot? This was a clear editing choice to show Will is very much a part of what's going on here. This moment isn't just about Mike and El. Will is there too, in Mike's shot, taking away the big romantic aspect of this scene. It's no longer a romantic confession-- instead, it's a spewing of feelings based on misunderstanding. Will's feelings are still in the back of Mike's head, as shown by Will being directly behind Mike in the shot.

Furthermore, throughout the monologue, scenes cut from Mike and El to include Will and Jonathan, further taking away from the intimate aspect of the moment. They're all concerned about El (platonically), and this is why shots of both Byers are included, showing that the moment isn't a romantic one. It's about family.

Now let's compare this to the shed scene. Similarly to the monologue, Mike tries to talk to Will who is under Vecna's control-- he doesn't even know if Will can hear him. This is the exact same situation as what's happening with El in S4.

Yet instead of being nearly forced into trying to reach El, Mike is the one who takes it upon himself to reach Will. He steps forward into the light of his own accord. He doesn't have to be urged by Joyce or Jonathan to do so. The camera shot immediately cuts to a tight shot of Mike's face, only focusing on him and Will during his entire monologue. There's no cutting back and and forth to show the others in the shed. This scene is about Mike and Will only. It's a romantic moment-- for that scene, they are essentially the only ones in the room. Also, Mike is full of emotion (unlike the S4 monologue): he is crying, there's no background music to draw focus to their voices, and Mike and Will keep direct eye contact with each other the entire time.

The rest of the characters literally disappear for this entire monologue. This is an intimate romantic moment between Mike and Will. They're not interrupted, and the focus is entirely on them, even though Will's mom and brother are mere inches away from Mike. They're not important in this scene. In fact, the next time we see them is when Joyce breaks the moment, asking if Will is still there (Mike is still clearly distraught in the background).

Tl;dr: close shots of the two characters of interest during a love confession is a way to clearly portray romance and intimacy, which is shown during the shed scene between Mike and Will in S2. This framing doesn't do this during Mike's "romantic" monologue to El in S4, illustrating that it's a moment more about family love than it is about romance.

#it's just so obvious when you look at it! i love the shed scene. gotta be one of my all time favorite scenes #finn and noah really knocked it out of the park <3 #byler #mike wheeler #will byers #s2 #monologue tag #sarah.txt

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friendlyneighborhoodevilvillain · 8 months

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As always please spread for larger sample size

I’ve got 54 cousins and I’ve always assumed I was an outlier but I’m curious what the norm is.

#villainous monologues #polls #idk what to tag this to get more people to see it

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woodlouseonastring · 3 months

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podcasts are great because it's like having a friend tell you about their day while you're doing the dishes but instead it's a bunch of guys running around and experiencing the horrors

#now to tag all the podcasts i've listened to #tma #tmagp #the magnus archives #the magnus protocol #the silt verses #tsv #the attic monologues #camp here and there #chnt #ethics town #mabel podcast #wtnv #smile grove #the williams project #<- unfinished :(#rambles

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munchkinlatte · 6 months

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jumped in on this silly goofy design dude

#monkie kid #shadowpeach #lego monkie kid #monkie kid fanart #lego monkie kid fanart #monkie kid macaque #monkie kid sun wukong #IF I MADE AN ERROR- I DO NOT CAREE E EE E #yall don’t copy my inner monologue tags that’s weird BAJD

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sigsfigs · 5 days

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let's dance

close up of them........... theyre soooo super cute to meeeee v_v)) i love you bisexuals of color............. i love them too much i think fabian deserves to be with a sweet passionate girl who loves him for who he is and not go through messy toxic situationships anymor e wuhhhhh

#i forgot the maximum legend tattoo but im drawing them again so no worries .#theyre not even my ultimate fav ship un fantasy high but theyve been on my mind lately ......#theyre too muchhh i love the little encouragement monologue mazey gave himmmm she loves him for himmm oughh its too muchhhh #oh yeah i guess this is my first post on this account hiii fantasy high fans pls find me i will draw anything u want just request it i feel #crazy about this showwww... dying to talk about it but twitter is too scary so i keep it in the tags for noww #fantasy high #fhjy #fabzey #fabian seacaster #mazey phaedra #dimension 20 #d20 #fantasy high junior year #fantasy high fanart #d20 fanart #i always forget how to tag these things.. im not v good at tumblr #mine

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echoes-of-the-unknown · 4 months

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Human! Perry is on the brain and it is a delight to draw

More doodles!

#perry the platypus #phineas and ferb #human perry #got to monologue in the tags now #drawing this is pretty funny to me because i remember being 10 and being asked by some guy in class if i could draw Phineas and ferb #and at the time i didn’t really watch cartoons nor had the Disney channel so i just went ??? no because i had no clue what that was #but also because i hated being asked to draw stuff #I ended up watching phineas and ferb sometime in early highschool(?) and loved it but still never did anything for it #so now years later i still haven’t drawn the boys but here’s Perry #there’s such great designs of human! Perry I suddenly felt the urge to draw him #but make him nerdier #consistent art style? never heard of her #gotta post this before I decided not to

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shrewcafe · 5 months

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neuvifuri college au where they both go to the same university and yes this is how they met, accidentally matching outfits like they (their past lives coughs) haven't done that for the past 500 yrs