#like. fuck the israeli government. it's horrific and genocidal

[mortimermcmirestinks]

is it possible for me to say "the Israeli government is committing horrific genocidal war crimes and needs to be stopped at all costs, free Palestine" AND "it would be extremely bad if a Republican got elected president of the US in 2024" at the same time? because it's starting to look like a shitton of people find those two opinions contradictory

#like. fuck the israeli government. it's horrific and genocidal #imperialism is bad and genocide is bad and islamophobia is bad #but also #at the same time #I think that we should avoid electing people to the United States government who openly think that being trans deserves a death sentence #like y'all understand that donald trump isn't exactly a Free Palestine kind of person right #predicting that one year from now when the votes are tallied Just Enough People will have refrained from voting that we get another fascist #and we'll be fucked #people refusing to vote for clinton in 2016 was how we got trump the first time #I'm going to lose my fucking mind

[bisexualseraphim]

I gotta say, I am seriously fucking concerned with the amount of people here who seem to wholeheartedly believe that the correct answer to the genocide against Palestine is ANOTHER genocide except the other way around. Please stand back for 2 minutes and seriously think about whether you think it’s ever a helpful or just cause to advocate for the deaths of millions of people, especially when plenty of said people are Jews whose families fled there after barely surviving the Holocaust because hardly anywhere else would treat them like human beings or accept them at all since the antisemitism that allowed the Holocaust to happen was not solely in Germany and didn’t magically disappear after the war ended.

Look. The situation is simple when you boil it down to this: Israel is bombing and starving Palestinians like fish in a barrel and doesn’t want to allow aid to Gaza, which consists of a population of over 50% children. Israel allowed the Nakba and displacement of Palestinians for decades and tries to hide it from public view. This is genocide. The Israeli government is at fault for this. Israel holds the power here because they have the power to bomb and starve millions of people and force them out of their homes, and Palestine certainly does not. It’s an utterly horrific, inhumane thing to do with no excuses for it and it needs to stop. This is the simple part that is glaringly obvious for everyone to see and it’s almost laughable for anyone to deny it.

Okay. You’ve successfully identified the main problem and the “bad guy,” if you want to put it in childish simplistic terms. So the question now is: what next? Say Israel agrees to an immediate ceasefire. What do you, impassioned activist on the internet, propose should be done to solve this situation after that? What should be done to free the Israeli hostages? Do you think the UK and the US, two of the most powerful countries in the world who actively help Israel commit its atrocities against Palestine, will ever do anything to help the Palestinians once Israel loses its power, even if better governments are eventually elected? How should the Palestinian land be claimed back? Where should all the Israeli citizens go? Should they all be forced out to Europe and America, even if that isn’t where they originate from, where the already-rife antisemitism has spiked even further since October 7th and Jews who live thousands of miles from Israel and have nothing to do with Israel’s actions face horrific hate crimes every day? Do Israeli children deserve that? Who’s going to pay for their travel and accommodation? Or, should they all be allowed to stay there and live side by side with the Palestinians? Do you think most Palestinians would be happy to remain neighbours with the citizens of the country that has oppressed them so fiercely for over 75 years, even if said citizens didn’t partake in it or in fact opposed it? What about the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Arab or Palestinian? Do you hold the same opinion of foreign settlers in Israel as you do its citizens whom have made a home there for many generations? How do you discern between settlers and “real” Israelis? Do you see any difference between them at all? Why? And what should be done about Hamas, the group that openly calls for the genocide of all Jews around the world and commits war crimes against Israeli citizens? How much of the history behind Israel’s occupation of Palestine are you aware of? Do you think the British government should be held accountable for splitting Palestine in the first place? How would you go about that? Would it be fair to punish the British people for their government’s actions when British citizens didn’t vote for it? How does that compare to your view of Israel and its citizens, and why?

I am absolutely NOT asking trick questions here or trying to “gotcha!” anyone. I am asking these questions precisely BECAUSE they are extremely difficult to answer, with several of them contradicting each other, and they are meant to get an emotional reaction out of you. I certainly don’t know what the “correct” answers to most of those questions are, and that’s exactly my point: there is no simple answer to a problem that has been going on for decades with such a wide, complex history. Historians and political experts who know all the facts and have studied this shit for years don’t know the answer and it’s honestly insulting to all the people suffering to log on every day and see so many people go “actually 😌 I, a random 20-30 something year old on the internet who isn’t even touched by what’s happening in Palestine, have figured it out before everyone else! Just delete an entire country and all its citizens off the map 😊 This is a moral thing to suggest! And if you disagree with me you’re promoting Zionism/terrorism 😘” There are no simple answers and if you think there is one — and especially if you think that answer is to kick citizens out of the country their family has lived in for generations — then you are both wilfully ignorant and evidently fuelled more by hatred than an actual desire for peace and an end to death and oppression and I don’t believe there is a crumb of sincerity in your activism.

Am I naive enough to think that fighting against oppression and occupation is always going to be peaceful? Obviously not. But you’ve got to think about where and when said violence is actually going to be beneficial, and where and when it’s violence purely for the sake of violence, which is NEVER justified. You can’t advocate for human rights and then turn around and say “oh, but not for you.” EVERYONE deserves food and water. EVERYONE deserves shelter. EVERYONE deserves to receive treatment for sickness or injury. NOBODY deserves cruel and unusual punishment or torture. And EVERYONE deserves to be alive. Those are essential human rights that should never, ever be denied wherever it is possible to give them, and disagreeing with that reflects extremely poorly on you and your principles. Think about what narrative you are pushing when you claim an entire people “deserves” bad things. The constant dehumanisation I see happening in online activism (and far too often in real life too) is actually terrifying and if you want to do some real good in the world, I need everyone reading this to examine their potential internal prejudices, even the ones you don’t think you have, and think about who exactly you’re helping when you express thoughts that perpetuate them, and who you may be harming in the process.

Anyway, now that I’ve gotten that out of the way…

Here are some useful resources if you want to make a difference and help people:

Standing Together (an Israeli movement advocating for ceasefire and peace between Israelis and Palestinians)

Zochrot (an Instagram page that seeks to educate the public about the Nakba)

Parents’ Circle (an organisation run by relatives of Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict who advocate for peace)

Operation Olive Branch (a Google Doc of Palestinian families seeking evacuation)

Mesarvot Network (an Instagram page run by young Israelis seeking to refuse the IDF draft and end military violence committed by both Hamas and the IDF)

Other Gaza aid organisations to donate to

#I’ve kept this in for too long I had to say something #I wonder if anyone will call me a Zionist for saying that Israelis are people who don’t deserve death #Despite the fact I’ve been spreading awareness for the Palestinians all this time #Tumblr activists when you don’t advocate for human suffering: 😡😡😡 #Tumblr activists when you don’t treat a genocide like a sports game: 😡😡😡 #Tumblr activists when you think death is bad: 😡😡😡 #Tumblr activists when a Jewish person exists: 😡😡😡 #I’m not Jewish but if I was I would likely be too scared to post this oop #Do you know how many Jewish mutuals I have who advocate for Palestine to be free #But they receive antisemitic abuse and get called Zionists for not wanting Israelis to die #I’ve been too scared to say all this for a while tbh #But if people have a problem with me saying ‘I want as little suffering to anyone to happen as possible’ #Then are those really people I want around me? #Oh fuck British politicians for supporting genocide btw #free palestine #free gaza #gaza aid #palestine resources #israel palestine conflict #i/p #genocide #ethnic cleansing #human rights #antisemitism #islamophobia #holocaust #activism #fuck the tories #fuck labour #long post

[intersectionalpraxis]

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/03/washington-post-erases-israels-request/

Cool! So we're allowing Isnotreal to rewrite history in US newspapers now! This is why we need to independently save every post these genocidal maniacs make before they can delete them!

I remember reading this claim a while ago (I think it was in November last year if I'm recalling correctly) -that Hamas had planned this 'mass sexual violence' against the IOF during that time, which was proven to be unfounded almost immediately after. It's no surprise to me that they 'edited,' something on their post. Thank you to the people who spotted it and pointed it out. It's just incredulous to me the Washington Post wouldn't formally address it, but it makes sense considering the Biden administration has spread misinformation continuously. Biden himself, reinforcing and spreading IOF propaganda -from beheaded babies to 'horrific' mass rape of women in the IOF -and even after, as I said, it was debunked he STILL made it seem like it happened.

I have spoken about this on my page a few times already, one of which I talked about how insidious this is because of how rampant sexual violence is INSIDE the US military -and American women serving in the US military are either killed to silence them from reporting their assaults and abuse (there are a handful of stories where relatives and loved one's of victims of sexual assault, talk about the lack of investigation when their daughters/cousins/nieces/etc end up being reported as having 'committed suicide'), or with whom have to discharge because their cases go straight to the military courts, which favour the rapists tenfold.

Less we forget to talk about (although this changes every year), that someone is either raped or attempted at being assaulted every 68 seconds in the US. The US government and legal system DOES NOT care about victims and survivors in their own fucking country and military. Nothing substantial is done to protect people who come forward because of rape culture and shaming and blaming tactics that are regularly used to discredit and discount victims and survivors of sexual violence. And the fact that Palestinian women and young boys are sexually violated and assaulted by IOF officials while being interrogated and imprisoned. The US government would never even blink in their direction... it's beyond hypocrisy.

#feminist #feminism #social justice #free palestine #palestine #freepalastine🇵🇸 #free gaza #settler violence #settler colonialism #us imperialism #western imperialism #tw sex abuse #tw sa mention #tw sex assault #tw abuse #american propaganda #biden administration #current events

[timetobeaghost]

i’m seeing so little nuance when it comes to this whole noah schnapp thing. i know everyone gets mad when you say you are in the middle but i just genuinely don’t understand what’s going on. i’m opposed to any and all violence and disgusted by the acts committed by israel and hamas. i know i’m not fully aware but it’s genuinely so confusing idk how people expect everyone to know.

i think what noah did is gross still. it’s not just because of his views, but the fact he was making a joke about it when it’s a horrific and serious tragedy. but people see it so black and white? if you read noah’s posts it’s clear he is opposed to violence in general, and to me the whole ‘zionism is sexy’ thing is an example of him being misinformed and incredibly insensitive.

but then people are calling him murderous and claiming he and others support actual genocide? they say ‘oh he’s old enough to understand’ but genuinely i think he just doesn’t understand the full extent of the situation, like many others. to imply that someone like noah genuinely wants tons of people to die is just a bit absurd to me. i’m no mind reader but to me he just seems to not understand the situation, and is just defending what he thinks is right because of his religion and probably family. i don’t think he supports genocide, i don’t think he understands that what he is supporting is genocide and is misinformed that it’s some kind of just response.

Not going crazy and being hesitent is a good first response. As is admitting when you don't know everything. You are not motivated by hate, that is obvious and great! But

Noah did not make any insensitive jokes. At all. He did literally nothing. Being in the same room as a "Zionism is sexy" sticker is not an action to take nor a joke to make. Him and people like Brett Gelman and other visible jews being attacked is pure antisemitism, which is a ridiculously widespread sentiment, as I was forced to discover.

Zionism is genuinely sexy. I mean it is completely inoffensive. What is evil is trying to frame zionism as an evil conspiracy. It's s Jew hating conspiracy theory. Zionism means support of Israel's existence.

No one should eDUcaTe theMseLvEs by consuming and parroting jew hating conspiracy theories. It is quite easy to do so these days, but it is not right. Noah already understands the situation better.

Israel was attacked and is the victim first. It deserves solidarity.

Israel destroying Hamas is a just response. And frankly their duty. As the terrorists attacked their citizens and haven't stopped and promised to do it again and again. Promised genocide.

Israel is not committing a genocide. It is winning a war of self defence, thank god.

War sucks, though. The reality of it is always horrible to behold.

Hamas is doing their absolute worst as always and absolute best to get as many Palestinians killed as possible, including straight up shooting them themselves if they are "stealing" "their" food or trying to get to safety thereby not working as human shields. They are fucking evil, the scum of the earth.

There is no question who a well-meaning person should support here.

PS: Netanjahu is not a great guy, but Israel is a great country and in the right here. Let Bibi win the war, then I hope for a new Israeli government and lasting peace!

#noah schnapp #israel #palestine #israel hamas war #free palestine from hamas #i stand with israel #byler #because anon is probably from that tag

[hellsbellschime]

I just wanted to thank you so, so much for standing up for Jews right now. I can't express how much it means to me and the rest of the Jewish community that you're one of the few people who've actually gone to bat for us when everyone else went mask off ❤️

<3 honestly you shouldn't be thanking me because it's just the right thing to do, but the amount of antisemitism I have seen since 10/7 has been APPALLING and it's extremely scary. The people who went mask off REALLY went mask off, but there has also been so much stealth antisemitism in so much of the reaction and reporting that I've seen about the situation that it really threw me off and made me realize that I vastly underestimated how popular antisemitism still is.

Clearly, discussing Zionism in the past has REALLY not gone well for me, but the reaction toward it for me specifically and in general has always set off alarm bells that there was antisemitism baked in there which was trying to be passed off as anti-Zionism or anti-Israeli sentiment. But I feel like 10/7 was such a horrific revelation for Jewish people and allies because, at least for me, it was a revelation that for certain people, basically there is no limit to what you could do to an Israeli. There is no limit to what crimes or atrocities could be committed against someone because of where they lived or where they were born, and there is a really scary number of people who would paint that kind of atrocity as some kind of rebellious act of freedom. If you are calling literal babies colonizers and you are saying that the gang rape and mutilation of people's genitals is somehow an act of decolonization, you are trying to dress up your genocidal antisemitic POV with the veneer of some kind of social justice or moral righteousness.

But there are bigger fish to fry here that I think a lot of people are missing, which again further disturbs and upsets me. Because Jewish people should be able to just exist in the world, but the ebb and flow of antisemitism is also an exceptionally good indicator of when social and political upheaval is about to REALLY start fucking everyone's lives up. So again, people should be concerned about this because it's morally wrong, but they should also be concerned about it because Jewish people are also almost always just the first up to bat. Once we pass that critical point where antisemitism becomes socially acceptable again, it's almost always because we are at the beginning of a really hard downturn that is going to destroy a TON of people's lives. So the fact that so many people on the left and right are now united in the whole "oh wouldn't our lives be so much better if we could just take power away from the Jews" is a REALLY REALLY REALLY scary sign that should not be ignored.

And of course, the fact that the Israeli government actually does horrible shit makes this a much easier sell. There are a ton of very legitimate problems that need to be fixed and should absolutely be called out. But again, it's a very scary mindset to get drawn into, because yes you think you're a leftist and completely unaffected by the antisemitism that has been baked into our culture for literally thousands of years and you're on the right side because WELL THE JEWS ARE ACTUALLY BAD NOW. But what the hell do you think people thought in 1930s Europe? Do you think that they hated Jewish people just to hate them? Or do you think that they also genuinely believed that Jewish people were actually the problem then too?

It's heinous because 10/7 and the invasion of Gaza afterward is a perfect vector to hide antisemitism in, and it really seems to be working well. The overt antisemitism I've seen as well as the way more covert that I've seen has shocked me, and even though I'm not Jewish, I considered myself to be more aware than most that antisemitism is not even remotely a problem that's been relegated to the past.

But I'm sorry that you've had to deal with this because I am just a person who is capable of empathy and understands how fucked up it must be to experience this, while Jewish people actually have to experience it. The lack of pushback against pretty obvious antisemitism is really frightening, and again, the whole progression of what has happened is exceptionally cruel and offensive. You can support a free and democratic Palestine while condemning 10/7 (in fact I'd argue given that Hamas hasn't held elections in decades, it's a REQUIREMENT to condemn 10/7 if you genuinely support a free Palestine). You can acknowledge that Hamas is an outwardly stated and admitted antisemitic terrorist organization and 10/7 was an expressly antisemitic attack and fight for an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

But the amount of pressure I've seen put on Jewish people specifically to go along with the complete reframing and minimization of 10/7, because actually if you live in Israel then you had it coming, and because the Palestinians have it worse you can't even take a moment to react emotionally to something truly horrific and traumatizing, and if you don't think exactly what we think you're one of the "bad ones," has been disturbing to watch. Your pain is incredibly valid and I know everything that has happened must be so difficult and isolating, but just know that you do have supporters out there, even if you deserve to have a lot more.

#antisemitism for ts

[always-out-of-tune]

If you read anything about the genocide is Palestine today, please read the words of Atef Abu Saif, as he documents living through hell.

Here's the article

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/30/gaza-diary-war-explosions-death-hospital-fear/

This piece written by the Palestinian minister of culture was posted on October 30th.

Since then, more than 4000 more have been murdered by the Israeli state.

Biden's request to Netanyahu to "pause" the attack to administer humanitarian aid is a spit in the face to all who have spent their whole lives suffering at the hands of this government.

How can you ask to "pause" genocide? How can we all turn off our phones and literally press pause on the lives that are being destroyed by horrific means.

Those lucky enough to survive with grave injuries are likely to just be killed in a hospital bombing.

The IOF is intentionally targeting places where people gather, churches, hospitals, bakeries where people queue for an entire day waiting for bread, only to be told there is no more.

On November 9th, the people forum is calling for a global shut down.

Meaning don't buy anything, walk out of work or school, and find a protest near you to attend.

No more business as usual, things are not fucking normal and we have to act like it.

Ethnic cleansing is not fucking normal, but it has been happening to Palestinians for 75 years.

#Palestine #free gaza #free palestine #israel #ceasefire #joe biden #politics

[callapilla]

"suggesting via the declassified documentation lived experiences and eyewitness testimonies of the people affected by the state of israel's violent mass abductions of the children of migrant families in its first days and drawing parallels from it towards the current abduction of children in gaza by the iof in order to destroy the cultural identities of these children on a similar scale to the mass abduction and forced reeducation of indigenous children in the us (real things currently happening) is blood libel (a horrific antisemitic myth about insidious kabals of everyday jewish people kidnapping white christian babies for their blood) just from the filthy arabs so it's more palatable to white leftists"

first of all put the fucking crack pipe down so you can focus long enough to actually hear the words coming out of your fucking mouth. like, are you okay? what happened to you to make you such a bitterly violent person as to believe there are human beings on this planet deserving of orphaning and abduction simply because you can no longer think of them as human? do we truly believe in the same g-d at this point? do we follow the same path?

there is no word i can conjure that describes the horror filling me as a black jewish person when i hear the people i have been willing to fight and die beside my entire adult life, people who say the same prayers i do, experience the same world i do, felt the same calling of g-d that i have, suddenly turn around and tell me that brown lives are worthless in the face of white expansion.

second of all, if you can look at the evidence presented to you, including documentation and testimony from the israeli government admitting that they have done this before and have no qualms doing it again, and say that this is anything close to antisemitic fear mongering after months of intentional devastation of civilian life leading to the invention of a new fucking acronym to describe children who have been orphaned to the point where they are the only surviving member of their entire extended family and have no next of kin left you are either illiterate or willfully telling everyone who comes into contact with you that you're capable of abandoning the humanity of others to serve yourself. that genocide is negotiable to you.

think of that the next time you sit in the house of g-d and ask him to show mercy to you.

#free palestine #jews for palestine #antisemitism

[catholictrauma]

This whole Palestinian ethnic cleansing is beyond dystopian, and my blood is boiling consistently every second of the day. I never go on Snapchat anymore, but i went into the Gaza strip’s public stories and it was every bit as horrific as you would expect. I recorded every second of footage; I am so nervous that the second I look away, their ability to show the outside world what is happening to them will be taken away, as it was before. Bombs are background audio to 50% of it. Bloodied baby hands, cars filled with families getting blown up, and sometimes whole blocks of a city crumbling down like it were made of sand. I am beyond angry right now and I can’t imagine how people are too chickenshit to call this what it is. Israel’s unchecked illegal occupation and the violence they inflict despite international law shows me how sick our leaders are. Any pretenses of “civil governments” and the structures implemented after WWII to SPECIFICALLY MAKE SURE GENOCIDE DOES NOT OCCUR UNCHECKED seem to give Israel some magical special pass. This is not a war when one side has a superpower of a military and the protection of the United States empire, while the other has so little that its water, food, energy, contact with the outside world, ability to move freely, and HUMAN DIGNITY are stripped on the will of their oppressors. I’m sure everyone can see and read all of this for themselves, even if I personally am college-educated in the conflicts of the Middle East. This conflict is very easy to understand, especially in terms of Israel’s “right” to mass murder. If Hamas, after breaking the Gaza blockade, had been suspected of hiding out in Israel, you know DAMN FUCKING WELL that 10,000+ civilians wouldn’t be murdered in searching for them. And don’t get me started on the “bring them home” rhetoric referring to Israeli hostages. If you want my guess at where those people are now, I am betting at least half of them were killed in this IDF-driven brutalization. One of my best friends was raised in an incredibly conservative, Zionist Jewish family. He says what many other people, especially in Anti-Zionist Jewish communities like the Jewish Voice For Peace (JVP) have laid out; when you really dig into a Zionist’s argument, it becomes clear that they do not see Palestinians as human in the same way they are. A Palestinian child, in their eyes, is not as pure as their own. Hell, some Zionists will even openly admit this with pride, and I’ve seen some truly blood-boiling remarks from that collective under videos of unthinkable pain and grief. Frankly, at this point, I do assume Zionists deem Palestinians as less human as a general rule. Palestinians telling a media outlet that their whole family has been bombed, only to be met with no recognition of this travesty as the “journalist” asks them to condemn Hamas as if they have anything to do with October the 7th, shows just how devoid the West is of their humanity. When someone is murdered, especially an innocent, I will obviously be outraged. When someone is bigoted, ESPECIALLY towards jewish and arab people right now, I will do everything in my power to combat that. I am so tired, however, of Israel-apologists claiming that anyone who sees this excessive and incredibly preventable slaughter of innocents is antisemitic. You cannot make one ethnic cleansing sound justifiable by referring to the one your ancestors suffered. As someone whose ancestors were in Nazi concentration camps (not for ethnicity reasons, though, I will clarify) on one side and a systemic, centuries long ethnic cleansing on the other, I would rather die than be on the side of history justifying the death of an entire people. I do not give a shit whether you think all Palestinians are “terrorists,” because people who survived their own mass murder campaign should fucking know better than to claim that. To call this a fight between “good and evil, order and the law of the jungle” is monstrous. Israeli officials confidently saying THAT and WORSE should ring the loudest of alarm bells! What do you need, in order to care?

#free palestine #I will block any anti-semitism or racism #I will never stand for that

[kuronekonerochan]

Regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict there's only one thing I can say to speak my mind.

The fucking orange said once one of the stupidest things I ever heard considering the context. "There's good people on both sides". He was of course wrong in the case. But regarding this subject there is something similar yet opposite to be said.

There are bad people on both sides.

Hamas is a barbaric terrorist organisation that oppresses its own people and has no qualms using its own people as humans shields, amongst other atrocities.

The Israeli Zionist government is a genocidal, land thieving, racist and fascist regime that regularly commits war crimes sanctioned by powerful foreign allies and foments conflict to fuel their internal political agenda.

The prepotency of the Allies post WW2 in randomly assigning land to the Jewish people on an already inhabited land without the locals consent is preposterous and a recipe for disaster.

I use "randomly" here not because I am ignorant of world history or religion and am unaware of the historical significance of Jerusalem, but because the decision of relocating the Jewish people there was incredibly stupid and random without consideration for the horrific consequences it would bring.

I would like to add that I have read the old testament. And this is not an antisemitic take. It would be the same for every religion with the concept of promised land as a god sent (literally) justification for war and aggression. According to the old testament Moses guided the Hebrews out of Egipt, where his ppl were enslaved, in a divine quest for a promised land where they could live in peace. Moses wandered the desert for 40 years leading an ethnic and religiously persecuted group of people that we could consider in modern days as the concept of refugees. He asked for permission to enter other nations in search of refuge and safe passage and was denied multiple times.

How horrible it is that after milleniae this is still a current tragedy around the world for so many people in need of aid. To name a few the crisis in the Mediterranean and, in a perverse twist of fate, the Palestinians stuck in a warzone in Gaza with the State of Israel being the oppressors cutting basic human needs such as water, food, housing and electricity to innocent civilians who are trapped with no way of escaping.

Back to the old testament it was also foretold that Moses would die in the desert without reaching the promised land (but still sighting it from afar, cruel,man!) and another would lead their people to the promised land, Josiah.

The city was already there, inhabited. Josiah was able to conquer it from the previous inhabitants because God was on their side to win the battles and conquer the land He had promised. Is it just me or God promising a Holy Land of peace and prosperity by leading the Hebrews to take it from the current inhabitants by means of a bloody war against another people a contrasence and hypocrisy? Get your land of peace through invasion, war and killing. As I said, using God as an excuse for warmongering should never have been acceptable, not just in this case but in all of world history, including the Catholic Crusades and Colonialism with the excuse of spreading faith.

But all of this is just historical context.

So let's approach the main issue by talking about the Good People on both sides...or to put it simply, just the people, the innocent civilians on both sides. The only ones I care to defend and the ones that break my heart. The ordinary Palestinians that have lived so many decades in a warzone and now stuck between an extremist terrorist group claiming to be fighting for them while murdering kids in music festivals, kidnapping and executing civilians while also being oppressed, robbed of their lands and routinely murdered with the slaughter of their children by an extremist fascist foreign government. The innocent Israeli civilians born in Israel, who have no culpability in the messy geopolitics of the past generation of international leaders. Those who are against the oppression of the Palestinian people and the war crimes committed by their own Government. Both current Palestinians and Israeli citizens have the right to live in peace in their homeland. It's extremist and unacceptable to demand that only people of one or the other ethnicity and religion be allowed to live in the territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean sea. Both current generations of Israeli and Palestinians were born there and have the right to be allowed to be citizens there in peace. Foreign immigrants granted that right or seeking asylum also should be able to live their lives in peace.

People have a right to Peace and to live unoppressed. There needs to be a two state solution with defined borders internationally acknowledged and that the violation of it by either party causes such an earned international outrage as the invasion of Ukraine or the outrage there should have been before the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. Two states and two people coexisting side by side with the hope of cooperation and mutual neighbourly aid instead of hate for the generations to come.

The many injustices and errors of the past and most unfortunately the present cannot be allowed to trap the future generations in this cycle of hate, war and tragedies. Foreign interest and wars by proxy cannot be allowed to continue to ruin the lives of innocent civilians. Terrorism and Government sanctioned war crimes cannot be tolerated and silently ignored by the rest of the world. Bloody incursions and invasion of foreign nations should not be tolerated in this modern age, regardless of the perpetrators. America, Russia, China, African and European nations alike should be held accountable for their warmongering and held to the same standards of international law and put to trial in Hague for their war crimes.

As a last note because the discourse around this seems to be purposefully incendiary, narrow minded and just plain irrational:

1) Advocating for a free Palestine is NOT condoning terrorism. Palestinians would never be free under an extremist terrorist group. They just suffer from two opposing oppressive forces currently squashing the people under their war.

2) Denouncing the war crimes of the State of Israel against defenseless Palestinian civilians is NOT antisemitic. Hebrews originally fled from Egipt to escape slavery, racism and oppression. They were refugees. When the Inquisition persecuted, murdered and expelled Jews from Catholic European Nations? That was also Genocide. The survivors were also refugees. During the Holocaust many managed to survive by managing to flee the Nazi who slaughtered millions of them for their ethnicity and religion. This was genocide. The survivors who escaped were refugees. Currently persecuting and killing Palestinians for decades, denying them citizenship and the right to remain in their homes and coexisting because of their different ethnicity and religion and trapping them in a warzone to die of starvation and thirst, without electricity or shelter from war? That is ALSO genocide. And in a land with closed borders and no means of evacuation of civilians like the current situation in Gaza? It's not even giving the innocents a chance to become refugees.

Considering the history of the Jewish People, being against the far right government of Israel and the atrocities they have made and are currently doing cannot be antisemitic. I am not Jewish but to me, supporting it is a spit in the face of the suffering of the Jewish People over the past milleniae. From the few things I can agree as far as dogmas go is that "Do not do unto others..." Is a solid universal principle.

3) There is one fundamental thing about the Jewish religion that I am adamant against, that is also expressed in similar ways in other religions, that I cannot tolerate under the guise of religious freedom and tolerance. There is no chosen people. Every human life has value. No one is less of a person in any part of the world than it is in another. Believing in a God does not give permission to mistreat and oppress ppl from different cultures or even your own. Not believing in your god is not a reason to invoke conflict. The only "God's Work" you are allowed to do is to be kind and help others, regardless of where they come from or their creed.

#my rant about this neverending conflict #gaza #palestine #israel #free palestine #I really don't care if you attack me in the comments #there is the right to freedom of speech of course #but if your opinion consists of justifying terrorist or government sanctioned war crimes #that is not a let's agree to disagree situation #I reserve the right to judge you as a bad person and as such I couldn't care less about your opinions #and I will certainly not engage in an argument online over it #imperialism #politics #the world saddens me

[apollos-olives]

Hi, I really appreciate your efforts to bring light to the unfair treatment of Palestinians. The massacre, the wrong done to them is harrowing. It brings tears to my eyes. May they find their peace and justice. I pray for their well-being.

My heart goes out to every single human who suffers.

Palestinians have suffered for over 80 years and they rightfully deserve true happiness. I pray and know their demands will be fulfilled soon.

There's one thing I don't agree with you about. You said you don't care about the CIVILIANS that died in Israel. Note how I used the word civilians. They maybe illegal immigrants for all I care, but they are humans as well. Why should they suffer even if the Israeli government uses them as shield/propaganda? They, like our Palestinian brothers and sisters are humans too. Their own leader forsakes them, and they die. But saying that we don't care about a human that dies for no fault of their own? Almighty will never forgive us for that.

I want peace to prevail, no human to suffer atrocities.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

We need a revolution, we need to support Palestinians. We must not forget what the almighty teaches us about our rage that sometimes gets the better of us. We need to support right, and be the right that He taught us. I know feeling enraged is very natural. I feel enraged too. And I pray and remember what He teaches us.

Before you say anything about this, I speak and support Palestine publicly and fully,

Let our prayers be answered.

May the Palestinians find happiness and serenity.

sigh. this is what i'm talking about when people say "we must be peaceful and no one should get hurt 🥺🥺"

anon. i understand your point, and ya Allah, if it could be peaceful then it would be. but it can't. it was never, and never will be, peaceful. zionism is built on violence, and any drastic form of resistance will be violent in retaliation.

i'm gonna start by saying this. most israelis are zionists. there are very VERY few zionist-critical israelis. and often times those zionist critical israelis leave because they do not want to directly contribute to the ethnic cleansing and genocide against palestinians simply by living there. that being said, again, most israelis are zionists. they are directly contributing to the genocide of palestinians. no israeli adult is innocent, and none of them are civilians, since they are forced to serve in their military. there are a few people exempt from the non-"civilian" status, as i've talked about in my other posts. any settler who brings their child to israel is to be held responsible for their children's death, since they brought them there while directly violating international law and also contributing to genocide. am i saying children should die? absolutely fucking not. that's horrific. but i AM saying is that people WILL die regardless, because that's what revolution is. the most effective form of resistance is violence against the oppressor, and in this situation, israelis are the oppressors, and so violence WILL happen against them, even if they are "civilians". do israeli "civilians" deserve violence? that's a debatable and conditional topic, but we're not focusing on whether or not they "deserve" it, we're focusing on fighting our oppressors, which is naturally violent in itself.

the fact that israel uses it's own people as human shields and kills them amongst their own assaults against the palestinian people is disgusting, and horrific. but this also should lead people to understand why we need to dismantle israel entirely and liberate palestine.

please understand that i know what you're talking about, but violence against the oppressor is inevitable and while it's sad that "civilians" are caught up in it, that only should make people understand why it happens.

palestinians can't wait for a glorious miracle from God. we are taking this into our own hands, and we will be fighting back.

palestine will be free. glory to the resistance 🇵🇸

#palestine #free palestine

[makethatelevenrings]

You and this person brought up a lot of thoughts about what's going on with the Palestinians for me and many others.

I try to keep my Tumblr a safe no stressful place but this is important. It's necessary for others to know and see what's happening. Thank you for teaching me.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR7t812v/

It is so, so important to me that you willingly are taking the steps to get educated and I appreciate it so much.

The way she mentioned the Iran-Contra affair made me instantly nod along because I spent a whole semester researching American foreign policy in Nicaragua. Believe me, it’s a mess.

American government officials want to keep Israel going because they want a strong position in the Middle East. As the Zionist in my DMs argued, “Britain gave us [Israel] the land fairly” which is laughable when you look at the sheer number of lands that Britain has colonized and the number of lives lost at the hands of colonial powers. Britain “gave” Israel that land in 1918 with the British Mandate but it wasn’t until the Holocaust that many Jewish persons fled to Israel for refuge. Note: the Holocaust was fucking horrific. There is no excuse, justification, etc. for the absolute devastation the Holocaust has done to the Jewish, rRoma, and many more communities. There is no justification for genocide. Ever.

In 1948, the Nakba happened. 750k Palestinians became refugees as Israeli forces pushed them out of their homes. As the Zionist explained to me “we were defending ourselves” and “we only expelled the people who would prove to be a threat”. Hear me out; 750k people are a threat including the babies carried by their mothers? Who determined they were a threat? Why were the people of Palestine so angry that they fought against the encroaching Israelis?

After 1948, Israel was recognized by the UN as a nation and a rapidly growing country in the Middle East. But how? How were they developing so quickly? The West needed a stronghold in the region to “combat” the USSR’s presence in the region. WWII decimated Britain’s finances and manpower so the United States’ Marshall Plan came in to save the day. We basically said “we’ll give you money to rebuild, you give us your loyalty and promise to not become a communist”.

That’s it. That’s the Cold War. America and the USSR were two sides of an ideological and military struggle that spread through every region imaginable in the Global South. Nicaragua, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Israel all can tie their roots back to the Cold War policies that we enacted. The United States is so intent on continuing funds to Israel because we want a strong hold in the region to keep an eye on every nation that surrounds Israel. Apparently, Joe Biden doesn’t care if Palestinians are murdered to achieve his goal.

I used this analogy to explain to the Zionist in my DMs and they kept skirting around it so I want others to read it:

A person walks into your house, points a gun at you and your family, and says get out, this is now someone else’s home. If you fight, you’ll probably die. If you win the fight, more people will come after you. If you concede and move out, you lose your home and have to leave in untenable conditions.

You live on the streets and try to support your family but the people that moved into your home have decided that they don’t want to look at you. They set up blockades and barriers. They take control of your water and gas and borders so they can monitor what food comes in. They treat you like a caged animal.

The person who stole your home walks by one day and sees you sitting on the street, hungry and scared and lost, and they decide to take pity on you and hand you one dollar. Look at that, they’re alleviating the struggle your life has become. The struggle they caused.

If someone did that to you, wouldn’t you be angry? Would you ever trust them again?

#honey.txt

[someoneinjersey]

I know you said you aren’t looking for debates but how else do people learn and broaden their perspective, especially for those who follow you who might be confused as to where to stand especially after your post.

This situation is black and white, if you know the history then it is black and white. I’m not talking about it starting on October 7th but 75 years ago when a part of Palestine was taken away to give to people to make the country of Israel.

And thats when the occupation, terrorizing and dehumanization of Palestinian people began. Can you imagine 75 years of oppression, not being able to leave your own country because they took away the airport, having to request from another country to leave.

Not being allowed to walk on certain streets , not belong allowed to go certain places, being forced out your homes for them to be given to citizens of Israel.

You’re right I can’t imagine what it’s like to be a Jewish person anywhere right now as this conflict continues. I can however imagine how it might feel as a black person.

You can say it I don’t know what their people went through with the holocaust. And I’m not even going bring up slavery, but the fact that black people were in the holocaust. It’s very hard to find records and picture but they’re out there.

Black people was also forced to leave their homes and go the concentration camps, they were even forced in the beginning to get sterilized so they couldn’t reproduce either with each other or when the nazi soldiers graped them.

I understand what it’s like for hundreds on years to be hated for no reason, I understand what it’s like to be discriminated and oppressed personally as a black women. I share and can understand the pain that Jewish people go through everyday.

But at the end of the day if my people was doing something that I know what bad I would have no choice but to speak up against it.

What Israels government is doing is horrific, bombing hospitals on purpose, blowing up food and medical supplies, playground. Having their drones play sounds of babies crying and women in distress so that they can lure people out to kill them. There’s honestly no word that exist that describes how horrible that is.

Israel’s government saying out their mouths for years (theres video documentation) about how much they hate Palestine, that they don’t even see them as human and they’re not going to stop till they complete their ethnic cleanse of Israel.

I could honestly gone on and on all day about the crimes that Israel’s committing, the propaganda that their spread, the death toll of children. I’m not but if you want to say you support Jon Bernthal because you just don’t give a fuck, then ok . But don’t say people aren’t thinking critically because you want to read and write fic about this man without feeling guilt.

By supporting him your supporting his message

And you can ignore this that’s you privilege as a white person.

But not all of us can live blissfully in ignorance.

Okay I guess I wasn't clear enough when I flat out laid out the boundary of "I'm not looking for arguments or debates" so good on you for ignoring that.

I suppose I wasn't clear enough in stating my personal stance on the situation although I did say Israel is committing genocide.

THE POINT I WAS MAKING is that Jewish people outside of Israel are in a tough place regarding how they feel because of how they've been raised and taught and all the misinformation and correct information being presented from all sides. That's what I said. I wasn't talking about Israelis or Palestinians, I was talking about Jewish people particularly in the US.

Thank you for the lecture and your announcement that you can empathize with the victims of atrocities but not the innocent people caught up in the mess of their "home country's" government and most of their peers supporting the war and committing said atrocities.

The situation is black and white but individuals aren't. That's my fucking point. Goodbye.

[healerelowen]

Okay

I'm done keeping my mouth shut

I need to say something or I will explode later on

tw for war

I know this is a horrific situation, I know Israel's government sucks.

But again, this entire bombing wouldn't have happened should the Hamas not have done anything. I'm not saying that because I think Israel's government is right.

I'm saying that because what did the Hamas attack do? Did it help uplift Palestine? Did it give them all the food and shelter in the world? No. It made it worse for everyone. Innocent people, whether they supported Israel's government or not, were killed. Palestinian people are being killed if they haven't been already. It didn't help anyone.

And I'm so sick and tired of people coming here and going all, "Oh the Hamas were right because Palestine was being oppressed and anyone who disagrees is a zionist." First of all, Zionism has nothing to do with Palestine. It has nothing to do with that whatsoever. And using it as a term to degrade people is beyond questionable.

I may be a bit biased because by a third degree I am affected by this personally. My mom has friends, people she knows or knew that live in Israel who are being directly affected by this. 10 mutuals of said friends with her were killed in the Hamas attack. I, to a degree, have a personal connection to it.

And that's what's so frustrating about reading about it online is because people or too stuck in their own heads and ideals to realize that not everyone in Israel wants every Palestinian six feet under.

That's like saying everyone in the U.S supports the U.S government. You see how stupid that sounds? And you're saying that they, by default, have to support Israel because they live there.

Not only this, but your pairing Jews wanting a safe place to live in Israel with it being nothing more than fuel for the genocide of Palestine.

Zionism does not fucking mean that a Jew wants every Palestinian dead.

Zionism is a ideal that a Jew or a group of Jews, want to move to a safe place, which is typically Israel. Can we please, for the love of god, stop using Zionism as a derogatory term?

Everyone is being killed, this is Israeli government and the Hamas' fault, and zionism isn't a derogatory term.

Palestine is at risk, Jews are at risk with mass amounts of connections between them and Israel, and no one is fucking helping the situation.

#tw war #i'm going to go feral istg #i'm so pissed off #I've been so nervous about saying something about voicing my own conerns #but now i just. can't keep it in anymore. #i'm done. #vent #kinda #rant

[paopuofhearts]

I had an interesting conversation on clarification today.

A lot of people throw out the concept of settler colonialism and apartheid and Land Back in relation to Israel by pointing out that Jewish people lived in the Middle East "peacefully" before the creation of Israel, so Israel shouldn't need to exist. Which is - not necessarily true.

And apparently, a lot of people who throw out the concept of settler colonialism and apartheid and Land Back also turn around and say "if that happened before, it can happen again: Jewish people can go back to where they were before and live peacefully or wherever" - which is *also* not necessarily true, historically or currently.

Criticizing the current Israeli government is important, the same way you would with any other government. Criticizing the concept of what Zionism looks like in application is valid, the same way with any other ideology. What is happening to Palestinians is horrific. You should not be supporting the Israeli government, because they are purposely encouraging violence against their people in order to have an excuse to further terrorize Palestinians, and [as such] continue to push the cycle to terrorize Palestinians. You should not be supporting Hamas, because they are *doing the exact same thing*.

From what I've seen and heard and experienced, there's a huge issue where a lot of people who link the concept of settler colonialism and apartheid and Land Back are *also* saying that Jewish people should not exist in the Middle East, mirroring centuries of the same antisemitic rhetoric that said Jewish people should not exist *anywhere*. There is a lot of historic erasure of the fact that Jewish people have *always* existed there [due to the implications of concepts like settler colonialism and Land Back]. There is a lot of historic erasure of the fact that Jewish people have *always* been targeted for genocidal movements [similar to white supremacist movements that say things like the Holocaust never happened, because Israel is pushing Palestinians towards diaspora and / or genocide linked to the concept of apartheid].

There is a huge push in rhetoric that violence against Israeli's [and by extension Jews] is the only answer. There is a huge push in rhetoric saying that Israel shouldn't just be dismantled but completely wiped off the map [alongside the Israeli, and by extension Jewish, population living there]. There is a huge push in rhetoric saying that it's valid to kill all Israeli's [and by extension Jews] because that is what fighting back against settler colonialism and apartheid and Land Back should look like. There is a huge push in rhetoric saying that it's only fair that Israeli's [and by extension Jews] should die because they kill Palestinians at higher rates, and that Israeli's [and therefore Jews] are an extension of their government.

And maybe that's not what you mean. I hope that's not what you mean. But that's what I see and hear and experience when these are all put together.

It is *absolutely* fucked up if you can sit here and separate people from government for literally everyone else *but* the people being harmed in this conflict. It is *absolutely* fucked up if your idea of stopping genocide against one group is to turn around and commit genocide against another group. (Especially considering said group has faced genocidal movements for centuries, which is what brought the idea of Zionism and recreating Israel [yes, *re*creating, because it existed for centuries] to the modern era).

It is *absolutely* fucked up that you can find Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists at *both* Pro-Palestinian rallies and Pro-Israel rallies because of this shit, since pushing propaganda gets *both* groups killed.

So really fucking consider how your words and your actions are impacting actual help and actual support towards what's going on - because a lot of the shit I've seen people spread is ignorant at best, and perpetuating the cycle of violence at worst.

(Also, I've seen and heard a lot of people say the phrase "I Stand With Israel" is meant to mean the Jewish people and Israeli citizens who are being attacked. I guarantee you that is not how most people will interpret that: they'll see it as support for Netanyahu and Likud and those continuing to force anti-Palestinian action and propaganda.)

[blautitlewave]

One of the thousands of frustrating things about this Israel v. Palestine thing is how brainwashed Zionists are. Cuz that's what it is. Brainwashing. If they lived in Israel they were given the same indoctrination spiel that every American had up until very recently. If they were raised anywhere else and then traveled to Israel they were also hit with brainwashing about why it's so important and vital that Jews have Israel, why all the meanies surrounding them just want to see the extinction of the Jewish people, why it's necessary and right to have a military as brutal as it is. It's predicated on this fear of extinction that was very much a real threat 80 years ago with the Holocaust, but it wasn't Muslims who organized the whole thing, it was Christians. Christians have probably been the most prolific threat to Jewish existence over the centuries.

And what is so fucking frustrating is that the arguments and beliefs that Zionists have are the exact, exact, exact same beliefs that Europeans had when colonizing and terrorizing indigenous peoples. "They're not using the land right." "It's in God's plan." "This land was destined for us." It does not fucking matter that you were once persecuted to the point of genocide, it does not matter if the people you are targeting are lobbing shit back at you, and it doesn't matter even IF they supposedly also plan to exterminate you. You don't get to commit genocide, no one does, not for any reason or with any historical argument or in any context. And no, just because you experienced one of the most extreme forms of genocide does not mean that you can turn around and say that anything less than the Holocaust is 'not a genocide'. That logic is how genocides go unchecked and manifest in the future. And by the by, the word "genocide" was coined in 1944 by the Jewish Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin to describe the horrific crimes committed during the Nazi occupation of Poland against both Jews and non-Jews, so using the genocide of Jews as the sterling example of genocide feels like a deliberate overshadowing and monopolization of trauma, terror, and destruction that vulnerable underprivileged groups have faced and continue to face by a State. Genocides happen because one group has the power to destroy another people and thus do it. It does not matter if the group doing it is doing it out of "self-defense".

All this does is remind me of how Whites in the South were terrified of black slave uprisings because 1) They constituted a sizeable population in the region, and 2) Despite all the religion and pseudoscience and economic justifications for slavery, Whites knew exactly what they'd done to slaves and were terrified of what retribution would look like from those who had been mistreated for so long.

That is the position that the Zionist Israeli government is in. Even if they believe Palestinians to be inferior, even if they believe Palestinians to be a thorn in their side that should vamoose, they know that all of their policies are, from the most emotionally intelligent perspective, more than enough to inspire terrorism. But the enduring issue, and the heart of this genocide, is that they don't recognize Palestinians as innately possessing the full faculties that they would otherwise recognize in other human beings. Because they are Palestinian, they are not fully people in part because of what they represent (a people that existed before Israel's founding), and the only way to fully solidify Israel's sense of self is to erase all traces of "Before the Nation". That's what it is at the end of the day. It's just European-derived genocidal state-making right AFTER a genocide had just occurred on another continent. The Jews that helped found Israel deliberately copied the Western blueprints for colonization because they were inundated with European ideas to "re-transplant" themselves into a land that has been dealing with Western incursion for centuries to fast-track them into creating a nation state that then turned around and labelled Palestinians as non-citizens, or people that were not to receive full rights because that's how the state functions, as a purveyor of violence through legal bullshit. The Jews that founded Israel took the pain and suffering they experienced and decided that their desire for a new nation outweighed the pain and suffering that other people would experience because of it, because borders are always stained with blood.

But oh we can't say that because for some reason being victims of a genocide means you're given carte blanche to inflict similar pain onto other people so long as the numbers aren't too high and you have the "anti-semitism!" card to pull out whenever someone criticizes your policies. Policies which are apartheid in nature at best.

Zionist Jews are no different from the Manifest Destiny Christians of yore, who now exist in the more palatable and marketable guise of missionaries. Gag me with this 'oh it's different this time because X, Y, Z" bullshit. It's the same song played in a different time signature, that's all it fucking is.

#palestine #zionism #anti zionism #israel

[tilting-at-windmills]

Rant about how Jewish safety and Palestinian freedom are not opposing ideas under the cut

Yes, this is dramatically simplified. Yes, this is about anti-Semitism, not Palestinian freedom, because we can discuss both, and that's a good and important thing. Let's keep talking about both of these issues, and a post about one in no way means ignoring the other. Let's start with a bit of history.

Western nations ignore the Holocaust

They feel a bit bad, and are eager to give Jews a place to live after. The Jews did not divide the land. The west did, led by the UK. Why? Well:

1. They certainly don't want to take them all in, and they can't go home;

2. The west has been looking for an ally in the mideast, and here they can create one who will be completely dependent on them for their own survival (remember that most of their neighbors do hate them [to be fair, so does much of the world, but more subtly, so that's a different discussion] and they cannot survive without western aid which means keeping western countries happy)

Jews did live there six thousand years ago and are happy to find the one spot in the world where maybe no one will hate them

At this point, no one likes the Palestinians. (In fact, until recently, Palestinians have essentially been "the Jews of the Arab world," and if this ends soon enough, their neighbors will not continue to support them. The Jews and the Palestinians are far more alike than they are different; who do you think it benefits to have them pitted against each other?)

Separate point.

Zionism you guys. It's not just that it's not all Jews, it's that it's not a Jewish movement. It began in the 1800s in Russia. The first Jewish group to actively oppose it, despite what was happening at the time, was in 1939. It is incredibly popular in far right Christian communities. It is not incredibly popular among the Jewish people.

One of the fundamentals of Judaism is that it does not attempt to convert people. Ever. If you want to be Jewish, that's dope, you're going to be doing a lot of work because it's never been about spreading the religion. That's why Jews are .2% of the population worldwide.

Reminder.

Netanyahu and his government are not the Jewish people, and frankly, not stating that while discussing this leads to misconceptions because people want black and white, not nuance. This leads to more hatred.

Hamas is not the Palestinians. Do not conflate the two.

What the Israeli government and IDF are doing is bad. What Hamas is doing is also bad. Let's support the innocents on both sides, and be willing to educate ourselves rather than shut down at the mere suggestion that we might be wrong.

(And I am more than happy to discuss this further, this is a broad overview but one most people are unfortunately never taught that is critical to understanding where we are today. The Jews were never conquerors, they were victims handed a life line and after Hitler do you think they were going to question it? That said, of course some Jews did horrific things. So did some Palestinians. Neither side has clean hands. And neither side is defined by those who are currently doing the fighting. Both people deserve a state, and it is not the fault of either that colonizers, always so good at dividing up the world, fucked that one up, too.)

Anyway. Today instead of having a calm, nuanced discussion about the history of the people, the fact that civilians dying is generally just bad, and acknowledging that we can fight for Palestinian freedom while protecting Jews from dramatically rising anti-Semitism around the world, it was:

"I'm sorry that ending the genocide means supporting Israelis dying."

Um. What.

And now, I have to add, that five minutes ago I read an article that compared Israel to ISIS.

How the fuck did you get there?

#rant #someone compared israel to isis so...