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Something funny I noticed:
Dictators’ wives in fiction: oh no my love what are you doing, this isn’t the you I met before
Dictators’ wives in real life: oh heck yeah let’s do the dictatoring together, I’ll spend all of the country’s money on dumb shit
Even applies to fictionalizations of real ones actually
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appleflavoredkitkats · 11 months
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don't support here lies love the musical as it comes to bway
my post on here lies love is getting rounds and while i still stand by everything i said on that post, my grievances with the musical has Grown in the last couple of weeks of me researching about it. granted, i still need to do more— i want to do an essay on it in the future because i would hate for it to run on broadway for long, but because that takes time, i thought, at least, i would need to make a post detailing what i find wrong about this musical. even if it's not the most comprehensive, i want more people to be informed about it as soon as possible.
so, have this. ramblings at 5am. i'll try my best to gather sources, but information i have regarding the marcoses comes from a lot of non-digital resources like classes, museums, and physical books. in this case, i recommend the following resources to learn more about who the marcos family is and what they did:
"the kingmaker" by lauren greenfield. native filipinos can watch this free on youtube, but if you aren't from the ph i recommend using a vpn to access it or find a pirated version somewhere else
online martial law museum
if you can buy it, "some are smarter than others" by ricardo manapat, a book detailing marcos' crony capitalism and all his faults
i'd also like to preface: i am not a saint. i am not a historian nor the smartest person who can detail everything marcos did when he was born. i'm trying to do my best with what i know, and i am down to learn more if others want to chime in.
lastly, here's a fresher on the names of people involved, because it can be confusing:
ferdinand marcos — i will try my best calling him ferdinand but most people, including myself, often call him just "marcos" despite the fact that they technically all are marcoses. he was the president from 1965-1986
imelda marcos — i will refer to her as imelda. wife to ferdinand and contributed a lot to his reign of terror. she is still alive today.
bong bong marcos — son of ferdinand and imelda. his name is often shorted to bbm, which i will use. he is currently the present of the philippines
ninoy aquino — marcos' main rival who he indirectly murdered. not a perfect guy tho, just the lesser evil. i will just call him ninoy
now, onto the real deal:
thesis statement, so this can be easy to follow: despite the intentions of the musical being anti-marcos, much of how it is written and presented will inevitably become propaganda to brighten the image of the marcoses. by putting imelda in the forefront, making her entire character do what she does supposedly out of love, audiences will come out of the theatre sympathizing with her and her family. not only is this politically dangerous, but it is incredibly insensitive to native filipinos who have not only gone through the struggle of martial law, but also is suffering through bbm's presidency today.
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despite what a lot of criticisms claim, the intentions of the musical is not to be pro-marcos. this is stated in their instagram post:
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david bryne also stated these in an article from the guardian:
"The mindset of the Marcos regime and the mindset of disco music to me doesn’t seem all that distant. The hedonistic, escapist feeling of losing yourself and being transported to another world, like you feel on the dance floor and like you feel in a dance club, that’s a means to divorce yourself from the rest of the world, just as Imelda did.
When you’re dancing, you’re in this psychological and sonic bubble, in the same way that powerful people create a bubble around themselves. So I wanted to give an audience a taste of that feeling.
In the first half, when the play is dealing with her childhood, her upbringing and her meeting with Ferdinand Marcos, it’s meant to get the audience to empathise with her and understand what’s driving her and then they’ll understand how that manifests later on."
so, it seems promising: an anti-marcos musical that will make audiences dislike empathizing with her. initially, i really liked the concept of audiences being lost with the music similar to how the marcoses were able to play a lot of their supporters.
but, and a big but, 1.) there's a lot to pick apart from these statements, and 2.) i fucking despise how they presented imelda in the musical.
let's discuss the first point: the instagram post details that the intent of the musical is to dispel disinformation created about the marcoses. first thing's first, if this truly was a musical that aims to educate, then broadway is probably the worst way to do it. while the west and native filipinos could share the award of most misinformed about the marcoses, native filipinos are the ones most affected by it. we just suffered a terrible election last year with constant speculation and reports of vote buying. i've heard accounts from people from the province that bbm would send representatives to bribe those in poverty to ensure a vote. we are suffering in the worst education crisis, with the most corrupt politicians you can think of.
so, if this musical aims to educate, the fact that you can only access it by viewing it live on broadway is incredibly... backwards. how are you opting to dispel information when those most affected can't even access it?
what's worse is the statement that says that modern history of the philippines cannot be told without the usa. it is such a patronizing, surface-level statement that gets my blood boiling. it is true that our histories and present-day contexts are intertwined, especially since the filipino diaspora in the usa is incredibly huge, but that's because this is all a product of american colonization + imperialism. stating like the philippines owes the usa to retell our native stories mirrors much of the savior complex-esque sentiments the usa had when they colonized us.
now, onto bryne's statement. the main problem i have with it is him insinuating that imelda is a victim of circumstance. he wants us the audience "empathize" with her and understand her downfall. this is common rhetoric uninformed people, even filipinos, used to excuse imelda's contributions. that she was supposedly "poor", that marcos put her through hell. but genuinely, and i cannot emphasize this enough, imelda was an absolute ass on her own accord.
no, she did not grow up poor. her wikipedia even states that she grew up in a wealthy family, born into the romualdez political dynasty. my history professor even claimed that she attempted bribing the mayor when she lost one of her beauty pageants. despite the repetitive "i'm doing this for love!" bullshit the musical regurgitates, imelda did not even marry marcos out of love. in ricardo manapat's book, he details how marcos attempted to swoon imelda by showing her his vault of money (of course, possibly stolen). she was enraptured by marcos the moment she saw his WEALTH.
i want to emphasize: imelda is not fucking stupid. much of what marcos did to the philippines was thanks to her. i would recommend watching the kingmaker documentary for all the details, but just know she is still alive and incredibly wealthy. she is well-known for her absolute gaudiness and all of that comes from her money-centric mindset. she does not give a shit about love.
here's some accounts by ricardo manapat from his book. on imelda falling in love with marcos (btw, she had a fiance at the time and didn't tell him she was marrying marcos until said fiance found out on the damn newspaper):
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imelda being aware of the wealth she accumulates in politics:
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on this note, i'd love to discuss how historically inaccurate the musical is. i'd like to preface that i've only listened to the only available version of the musical which is the 2013 version on spotify. this could have changed, but either way, the general tone of the narrative already reads to me as extremely incorrect, anyway. i'd also love to detail every discrepancy of each song, but again, i'll save that for a future essay.
in general, the musical's plotline follows imelda, a "humble and poor" girl from leyte who grows up and marries ferdinand. she repeatedly expresses she's doing this all out of love. thus, the musical insinuates that imelda is merely a victim of circumstance, and that she didn't become evil on her own accord. and yet, from what i've presented so far, she was very much aware! she was not passive. you have to understand, SHE was the reason both men and women had equal opportunities to become corrupt in our government.
what marcos did was also imelda's fault. the genocide and displacement of indigenous people, the mass torture and murder of journalists and politicians, the stealing of companies and mass wealth, the mass delivery of non-native animals to the philippines. she condoned all that. yes, marcos cheated on her, but she also used that as a means to manipulate him into doing whatever she wanted. they are both horrible people.
speaking of, marcos' song in the musical was also really bad. he could be written as lying for all we know, but his "fear" of japanese soldiers invading the philippines is also up for debate. there is speculation of the marcoses collaborating with japanese troops, which also led to the murder of marcos' father's political rival.
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and while i don't know if there's actual dialogue outside of the songs, i don't think this musical actually informs us much of the marcos' faults. the songs, which will be the most accessible thing to native filipinos, express nothing but generic descriptions of what characters feel about certain situations. it's hard to understand or know what these people are actually doing because it's just so vague and ambiguous. how are you supposed to inform when none of the music details, well, anything? the information given is so minimal that i pray, at least, the musical would have more explicit scenes about marcos' atrocities.
and that's my main problem with the musical. with how much they spend sympathizing with imelda in the first act, i don't think everything the marcoses have done can be encapsulated in the second. of course, i'm not asking to give me a detailed rundown of everything they did, but let's be honest, this musical was never about dispelling disinformation. if it was, then they wouldn't spend an entire act and a half sucking imelda's dick. it's not about educating audiences about martial law. it's about humanizing imelda, with martial law and the marcoses' atrocities as a second priority. it makes me sick to my stomach seeing how pure imelda is presented when travelling to meet other world leaders, or how she's seen as the person who insisted that ninoy move away from the philippines.
it was never about education or re-information. in the end, these were such pretentious and performative statements to defend a historically inaccurate musical.
and tbh, that's just the tip of the iceberg of why i hate this musical. another thing is that, holy shit is it obvious that it's written by two white people. they mispronounce "tacloban" (should be tacLOban not tacloBAN). these characters are also just... not distinctly filipino? they're so white in mannerisms. i need more insulting humor, more grit. in fairness, the richer you are in the philippines the more connected you are to western culture, but i would have loved to see that disaparity more in the songwriting. they really peaked (/s) when they wrote these lyrics:
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this is... awful, in a cringey what the hell manner. i hope they changed it for the bway production, because this was blatant evidence that the songwriters barely took the time to understand our culture before writing.
if you don't understand what it says, "titi mo" (the correct spelling is tite but i digress) means "your dick". i think imelda is trying to call marcos a dick, but they literally translated dick in tagalog. but tite isn't an insult, it literally refers to a penis. "mo" is the equivalent of "your" which also makes ZERO sense. the lyric literally goes "how can a your penis run the country?", like WHAT.
so you know, maybe there's a reason why many filipinos fucking despise this show on twitter. we are insulted for good reason. they are sensationalizing and glamorizing our suffering for their own gain. we native filipinos and other filipino diaspora who can't access the show have nothing to gain. here lies love is profiting from our struggles that we are still recovering from and experiencing today. imagine if you made a musical about hitler explaining he is a victim of circumstance to disco music. insensitive, isn't it? i'd love to ask the cast of here lies love if they'd ever show the musical to living survivors and families of victims of martial law.
and what's worse, because of course it gets worse, misinformation like this is what boosts the reputation of corrupt politicians in the first place. manapat quotes what leonard saffir wrote about how marcos built his reputation in new york via a biography filled with disinformation. the excerpt is too long but it's quoted from this article by the new york times. and now we are living in an era of another musical based on imelda being shown in new york — time is a flat fucking circle.
what sickens me is that this musical is possibly a lot of americans' first exposure to the marcoses, and what will they think? imelda is just a poor girl, imelda is just a victim, imelda is blah blah blah. that will be stamped in their head. even if some filipinos have come out of this musical dreadful that they sympathized with imelda, not everyone is gonna have the same experience.
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^ this an excerpt from one of theatermania's articles. dictators have feelings too, i guess!
objectively, there is nuance when it comes to anyone. but the problem is, we cannot afford to consider nuance in politics. we cannot sympathize with imelda right now when people are dying of poverty under the marcoses' hand. the marcoses are very much alive, very much in power, and very much willing to lend their offspring to other positions of power. they turned the entirety of ilocos into a bunch of marcos dicksuckers, and i'm afraid that this musical can make a ton of their audiences be oblivious to the true extents of the marcos' atrocities. i'm already seeing people on tiktok say that there's nothing wrong about this musical, or that this can exist when miss saigon and evita exist (which in on itself are problematic beliefs, because they are glamorizing other country's sufferings too).
i am privileged enough to be educated about marcos, and while there is much to be done in terms of disability and lgbtqia+ rights, i am lucky to be less impacted by the marcoses compared to other people. but there are hundreds of thousands of filipinos severely affected by marcos. what's worse, is that there are plenty extremely uneducated that they are unaware that marcos is directly contributing to their suffering. my history professor told us that other countries are using the philippines as their model for successful disinformation campaigns. in this era of disinformation, we cannot afford to disinform even more. as sad as it is, the usa has a lot of power and control over the philippines (and the world, tbh), so one wrong step into the wrong direction and we're fucked. this musical fails the message it attempts to preach and i cannot imagine how much more people are going to spread misinformation about the philippines like they did during the 2022 elections.
to end off, i'd like to mention to everyone that imelda marcos has actually listened to the musical. in this new york times article, she says, "i'm flattered, i can't believe it!". i don't know what to tell you— if imelda herself says she likes the musical you claim to be anti-marcos, then what does that say about the musical?
i guess i'll end with, i am willing to change opinions once i see how the musical is being executed. if they emphasize the atrocities done by marcos and give proper information about the timeline of events, then i can be more lenient. but if i still see any attempts woobifying imelda, then i stand by what i say. this musical is insensitive, disrespectful, and just fucking hurtful.
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hinaypod · 1 year
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PSA: Here Lies Love Musical
Many of you listeners are probably Filipino, and may have seen this:
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And maybe you're excited about it. Wow, an all-Filipino Broadway cast!
But what you have to understand is that this entire show is like salt on an open wound to the Philippines right now. Imagine if Hitler had a musical following his hopes and dreams, treated him like a silly little man more than a genocidal dictator, and also if Hitler had a kid who just came back into power.
That's what this musical is. It's an affront to all Filipinos who not only suffered through Martial Law, but suffered through the extreme economic crash caused by the Marcoses stealing billions from the Philippines.
It treats Imelda as a silly airhead rather than a ruthless, vicious, lying convicted criminal and dictator who clawed her way back into power and dodged getting arrested "because she's a frail old lady".
The only way this musical WOULDN'T glamorise Imelda is if it had a presentation at the beginning and end showing images of the people who died of starvation during the Marcos regime, who were raped and murdered, who disappeared and were kidnapped during their curfew. If it has a call to action saying the current president of the Philippines, Bongbong Marcos, needs to be removed because of his actual criminal convictions that the electoral body ignored and then scrapped.
Otherwise, it's just "what if we pretended Hitler's victims weren't real and we had a good laugh about it".
If you'd like more information, check out the Martial Law Chronicles Project and Martial Law Museum. I won't be posting the triggering imagery from that era, but I will post some quotes below from survivors:
EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING - Descriptions of RAPE, TORTURE DURING THE MARCOS MARTIAL LAW ERA PARTLY OVERSEEN BY IMELDA MARCOS
“They had a gun and they threatened me to answer the question, otherwise they [would] shoot [me].” - Etta Rosales
They ordered me to remove my blouse and they applied electric shock on my breast. Electricity went through my body until I couldn’t take it anymore. - Trinidad Herrera
“They would scare me again by touching me and breathing down my neck and then I felt something like naihi ako (I peed). I figured it was blood because at the time I did not realize I was two months pregnant.” -Fe Mangahas
Maria Christina Rodriguez said her captors burned her skin with cigarette. Her fingers were swollen because of bullet-pressing.
Maria Christina Bawagan said her thighs were hit until they looked like rotten vegetables. She was sexually abused, with her captors inserting objects into her vagina and touching her breasts while blindfolded. She said she may never know who exactly tortured her, but she clearly remembered their voice.
[source: Martial Law Chronicles Project]
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humanoidhistory · 6 months
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Imelda Marcos by the numbers:
"One day on a trip to Moscow in 1982, Imelda Marcos spent $7,842.31 on scarves and chocolates. On another day she spent $1,332 on macadamia nuts, and she apparently lost $1,000 in an airborne poker game. On a single day in September of that year, she spent almost $190,000 in jewelry and $62,000 on artwork in Manhattan. And on July 25, 1983, she made a $1 million down payment on a Michelangelo painting."
(New York Times)
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exalteranima · 1 year
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I'm just gonna say it: David Byrne and Fatboy Slim have a lot to answer for. Two white guys making a fun quirky disco Evita off the backs of thousands of brown people killed and tortured by a brutal dictatorial regime is not a good look.
Basing your fun quirky disco Evita around whitewashing a dictator's spoiled opportunistic wife with delusions of grandeur (her "keeping up with the Joneses" schtick murdered an entire construction crew, look up the Manila Film Center) by giving her a sympathetic Cinderella backstory is not a good look.
Adapting said fun quirky disco Evita to Broadway just as said dictator's power-hungry family had successfully brainwashed and gaslit the very same people they oppressed decades later is 😬😬😬
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motziedapul · 2 years
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Hey there Trese fans!
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For those of you who watched the Trese Netflix "anime", did you know that the original comic series actually has a different main antagonist?
In the anime, Datu Talagbusao is the big bad.
But in the komiks, the big bad is...
Imelda Marcos.
No, really.
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The Madame, who is the primary antagonist of the Trese universe, is based 100% on Imelda Marcos, apart from being, you know. Magic. The manipulation, the evil, and the lies are all pretty much one to one, though.
Somehow the komiks villain is less monstrous than her real life counterpart.
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aro-bird · 1 year
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I was trying to do further research on Imelda Marcos because I felt like maybe I could look into her story a little more and like, she's just pissing me off so much more every new thing I learn about her.
So this one is pretty ironic given the musical "Here Lies Love" starts off with asserting that Imelda was "just some poor girl uwu", but apparently she was only poor in relation to the rest of her clan members from the Romualdez political dynasty and she was so embarrassed by it, she tried covering it up for years. She is still relatively middle class and not really as rich as her other relatives (considering she comes from the junior line of the Romualdez Leyte line), but yeah she's relatively pretty average from what people had learned.
Anyway, this story first entered the public knowledge after an author and journalist named Carmen N. Pedrosa since she thought this would be a really cool story to tell people since well, the average person might see this as inspiring. She published "The Untold Story of Imelda Marcos", but instead of the family liking her book, she was forced out of the country and exiled to Europe for the next 20 years.
Imelda was so embarrassed that she was the "poor Romualdez" that she ruined a person's life.
Then, years later in 1990 during her trial in the United States for fraud and racketeering her defense tried to claim the whole "She was just a poor girl who was deprived from money and privilege! She just went a little too far! She's sowwy...", all the while she got a $51-million skyscraper in Manhattan from her husband, gifted 24 "bricks of gold" for a couple's 24th wedding anniversary, paid the wives of Philippine generals thousands of dollars during her visit to South Korea, and uh, all the luxury jewels, bags, arts, and the shoes that we all know her for.
Like, what a fucking joke honestly.
You could also read up more on what Carmen Pedrosa had to say here and here's an interview about her experiences.
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dozydawn · 10 months
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“... a tiara inlaid with diamonds and South Sea Pearls from a collection seized by the government from former first lady Imelda Marcos in the late 1980s.”
Photographed by Joel Nito, 2005.
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spaceasianmillennial · 10 months
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I was in attendance at the HERE LIES LOVE Broadway B-Roll
Being a non-Filipino Asian, Here Lies Love is a really curious piece of work and I’m well aware of many concerns (the labor one since resolved). 
The trajectory of the musical storytelling seems a lot more complicated than its marketing.
From the fragments I picked up on the show, it’s interesting because the show appears to shift into a pro-People narrative and shed itself out of Imelda Marcos’s storytelling, possibly as if to pull the rug underneath the audience and highlight out their complicity in following her rhetoric. Whether these choices will be effective may be another question. From the glimpses I saw of Arielle Jacobs, she really plays up this privileged and desperate vanity. It’s so ridiculing.
I am seeing the show on a press invite next month. Obviously I can’t evaluate it until I see it in the whole.
It’s not a defense of the show. And yes, I think there’s valid concern in the way the marketing framed the musical. And also, I find it’s a complicated piece of art. I sure Filipino attendees will have complex reactions to its storytelling.
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arkipelagic · 6 months
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"Here Lies Love" offers up a slew of excuses for Imelda's role in her husband's regime. While it does portray her as his right hand and acknowledges the influence she wielded, especially during the years of martial law, a number of rationalizations are used to minimize, if not outright justify, her growing disconnect from the people of the Philippines: her depression over Ferdinand cheating on her, a dependence on drugs, a desperation to be loved. Byrne's version of Imelda is not a masterful strategist who ruled alongside her husband but rather a lonely girl from the provinces who was never able to shake off her humble beginnings. What Byrne overlooks, though, is the complexity of the class system in the Philippines; to a white man who grew up in the U.S., Imelda's lack of money growing up may signal nothing more than poverty, but in reality, she was a well-connected poor relation of a wealthy family whose whirlwind romance with Ferdinand was likely more strategic than "Here Lies Love" displays. When Ferdinand -- then a young politician with presidential aspirations -- first met Imelda, he already had a family with his common-law wife. He left her for Imelda, who, like Ferdinand, came from a political family. Imelda was also well-educated, earning a degree in education from St. Paul’s College in 1952, a time in which most women didn't attend university. Imelda, in short, was well cut out for the position of a politician's wife, hardly the naive country bumpkin Byrne envisions.
In interviews, Byrne has expressed a decades-long fascination with Imelda, and this might explain his seeming reluctance to hold her fully accountable for her actions. "I've heard she has an aura, she's incredibly charming and you're kind of mesmerised," he told the BBC in 2014. He has also been quick to remind audiences of Ferdinand and Imelda's triumphs while downplaying their crimes. "They were very, very much loved when they first got elected," he told Seattle Mag in 2017. "This is before martial law was declared. Ferdinand Marcos also made good on a lot of his campaign promises to build schools and hospitals and roads, and all this kind of stuff were the kind of things they promised, which was kind of a rare thing in the Philippines those days. And they were photogenic, so people just really loved them, and they did some good stuff at that point, and later they kind of turned to the dark side."
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delicatesquashblossom · 9 months
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If I had a nickel for every tyrant character in a currently running Broadway musical that assures his wife that his mistress means nothing to him, I’d have two nickels. It isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice.
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appleflavoredkitkats · 11 months
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so far, all the support i've been seeing for here lies love on tiktok, twitter, and reddit have ALL been written by non-native filipinos, which infuriates me.
all these posts are the same, saying that the show does not glamorize imelda and that they and their families walk out of the theater disliking her. sure, okay, that's good! but not everything is ABOUT you, fucking twats. a lot of native filipinos (and a good few informed fil-ams!) have multiple problems with this musical that specifically affect us, and nobody is fucking listening. while this does not comprise all filipino americans, i am very fucking pissed that a good portion of fil-ams have been the ones most vocal about supporting this musical, using their filipino title as a means of merit.
but i've got news for you bud: the problems with here lies love more directly affect native filipinos. i'm not saying that fil-ams cannot be affected by issues in the philippines, but i'm saying that. the priority of opinion SHOULD be given to NATIVE FILIPINOS. we are the ones under the marcos regime, we are the ones living in the damages he placed in our systems. when WE tell YOU that this musical can be dangerous propaganda, unintentional or not, then LISTEN TO US.
what americans understand of disinformation campaigns is NOTHING compared to the philippines. i have learned in my history class last semester that other countries are using us as their standard for disinformation. my country is a cesspool of gatekept education, internet manipulation, and fraud. when i say that it is dangerous for a musical like this to exist, i mean it. people can use it here to promote the marcoses (who are still in power!). it is DANGEROUS.
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kalakian · 8 months
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In '76 the Marcoses hosted the IMF-WorldBank Mtg at the new PICC. They also got a $32M loan for the Tondo Urban Renewal to beautify Manila for the event. However, instead of on-site dev't, Imelda ordered squatter areas demolished & people loaded on garbage trucks &dumped far away
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maya-chirps · 1 year
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Transferring my Marcos and HLL ranting here since my other blog should be specifically about queer stuff, but I've been trying to sit through a 2003 documentary about Imelda Marcos and less than 10 minutes in and this was already in my notes👍
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You could watch the documentary here for free on YouTube.
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strazcenter · 9 months
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History With a Disco Beat
Imelda Marcos turned 94 on July 2. The Philippine Daily Inquirer reported that the country’s former first lady was feted with “a night of singing, dancing, and socializing.” The article did not reveal whether the birthday girl cut a rug, nor did it mention if the evening’s musical soundtrack included the thumping disco beat of which she was so fond in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Two and a…
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