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RAD Student Files: Lucifer, The Celestial Realm’s Bastard Pride

before i start the post, Thank you guys for the support^^ it really means alot. and im going to go very in depth with these post, so i decided to make each brother have their own spotlight by making it individual post.

also i apologize in advance if i cant joke around much with these post hehe^^;

Spoiler warnings, so you have been warned!

Background and Origin:

Lucifer,as famous as he is right now. With the Netflix show and other representations of him throughout history, his name has only been mentioned once in the bible.

“ How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, Son of the Morning,” (Isiah 14:12 King James Version)

this simple line was said to actually be a foreshadowing of the fall of the King of Babylon, Nebuchadrezzar . Some say it is alluding to the fall of a Pheonician God, Helal who sought after the Chief God’s throne and fell (pretty similar eh? actually dfq too similar) .

some say that Lines from Ezekiel might be marking a prophecy of Lucifer’s faith (Ezekiel 28: 11-19 , the passage is alittle too long, so if you want to see it just search that up), the passage speaks about King Tyre and what his pride did to him not only that but the passage then goes to mention “ the Anointed Cherub”. This is said by Jonathan Edwards, a Philosophical Theologian is a reference to Lucifer; as Lucifer was made highest of the angels, not only this but is said to be the closest to the throne of God.

Now, who and what is Helal? the actual Hebrew text has the name “Helal”( which still meant Morning star) instead of Lucifer. both do mean the same thing, an Astrological Phenomenon.

the actual name of Lucifer came from the Latin Vulgate version of the Bible.Lucifer, which meant “Light Bearer” and was directly connected to the Planet Venus. As the bible gets translated over and over again, this later turned Lucifer instead of being just a figure of speech, became an individual being. most of the stories about Lucifer are taken from Poetic literature about the bible and legends.

there are many interpretations to the fall of Lucifer( the Anointed Cherub), so i will give the most well known and then briefly touch upon the other interpretations.

Lucifer, before his fall was said to be God’s most perfect creation, a Cherub ( some would disagree and say a seraph, but more on that later) whose beauty was unmatched, whose knowledge was above those of his kind; God gave him knowledge that only Lucifer can have. second only to the father himself.he was the leader of the angels but, he grew in pride and decided that being second to the father is not enough. that he has to be equal--no greater than the father. With this, he waged war that caused great chaos throughout heaven. Michael (in some accounts, Gabriel) the archangel second to him lead the army that counters his and was able to defeat him and cast him and those who sided with him out of Heaven. following the Book of Revelations, it is also accounted that third of the angels in Heaven fell with Lucifer.

as he was cast into the Abyss, he is to bound there until the day of Judgement, but with his despise of God, he then goes to the mortal world to tempt and torment the Father’s most beloved creation, Humans. he does this so that he can acquire their souls and keep them away from God( this was stated in the Apocrypha, Enoch). it is said that he appears as a beautiful innocent child and uses this form to easily tempt humans to follow his words.

some interpretations state that the reason for Lucifer’s rebellion is because, God made another being, Jesus, who was Higher than him. as Lucifer only is near the throne of God, Jesus is to sit on the throne with God for all eternity. which infuriated Lucifer.

and in some interpretations, it is said that God permitted Lucifer to be able to tempt humans. and in some Gnostic Christian Sects they believe that Lucifer isn’t even evil, but the first-born of God who is to save humanity with his gift of Knowledge.

Jonathan Edwards, even goes as far as to say the fall of Lucifer to him pleases God, as his fall is for the greatness of God that is to come.

Lucifer in the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the mage, Lucifer is stated to be one of the four Principal spirits. in the True keys of Solomon, Lucifer is identified to be one of the three demons who can command all others of his kind, he is said to rule over demons in Europe and Asia ; the other two demons who have the same authority is Beezlebub and Astaroth . as for other legends, they state that Lucifer is the Consort of Lilith ( weird but okay?). according to Peter Binsfield, Lucifer represents the Sin of Pride; to note, it is said that Pride is the King of all sins, which seems fitting for Lucifer. He is also the Opposing force to Saint John the Baptist. in the Friar Rush, Lucifer is said to be the “ Prince of Gluttony” .

as for Lucifer’s position in hell, there is some debate over it, on one side it is said that Lucifer is the emperor of Hell, with Satan being second to him and Beezlebub third to him. for some Demonographers, Lucifer is a great Lover of justice in Hell. and the other side, it is said that it is either Satan or Beezlebub.

So How does it show in the game?

Lucifer in the game is well known as the loyal right hand of Diavolo ( the devil?). He is obedient to Diavolo’s wishes and does everything he can to make sure no one opposes him, even his brothers. this is quite different from the things mentioned above. Lucifer is supposed to be the highest one in Hell, he was able to even rebel against Heaven for it, yet here he is...serving a Demon?

Lucifer is shown to be a sadistic, strict, over bearing, secretive, but caring(?) sibling. he shows to be dealing with alot of problems with the past especially concerning Lilith.

(the sadistic side could be a reference to how he loves to torture and torment humans. just a guess)

the game seems to take liberty of taking shifting and twisting the origins to make a more human Lucifer, his story is also very similar to what his origins state.

but, the thing i want to focus on is Lucifer’s model, in the game he is stated to be seraphim, an angel that has 6 wings( this information was given by Luke during Chapter 5), but his model only goes to show 4. now, in the information above, Lucifer is said to be a Cherub, so whats with that?

to be technical, Cherubs are angels of Knowledge, which for others means, his sin is caused by his knowledge. Seraphims are angels of Charity, while they are the highest choir, if you try to connect it with his sin, it doesn’t match. but, since the game used the Seraphim interpretation so we’ll go with that.

Lucifer is also shown to have dark hair and his wings have turned black, modern interpretations do this as to show his turn to the darkness, but some interpret it as the result of Lucifer’s wings being burned. his character model shows him with only 4 wings, so where’s the 3rd pair? most likely burned off during his fall to the Devildom , or they were burned during the Celestial war. and the implications that Micheal did it might be likely, since his origins states that Micheal was the one to defeat Lucifer and His army.

Diavolo when he gushes about Lucifer, he always goes on about how Lucifer was so bright and blinding, which could be a reference to his name as Light Bearer.

in regards to Lucifer’s relationship with Lilith, During chapter 5, we were able to find out about that Belphie, Beel, Lilith, and Lucifer used to be very close. hoping this game doesnt take the incest route, we can say that Lucifer and Lilith are just very close siblings rather than the original interpretation that He is a Consort of Lilith. much of the lore is still in the making, so most of the things are just possibilities.

ps. i hope you guys enjoyed reading this very long post ❤❤❤,sorry for taking a while to post :< school’s been taking up alot of my schedule so the time window for researching has been hard to manage. but enough about that, if you have any information you want to share that i wasnt able to include or you want to correct some things, please feel free to comment it :3

references:

The Encyclopedia of Demons and Demonology By Rosemary Ellen Guiley

The Organization of Pandemonium By Maxmilian Rudwin

A Dictionary of Angels Including Fallen Angels By Gustav Davidson

A Field Guide to Demons, Fairies, Fallen Angels , And Other Subversive Spirits By Carol K. Mack and Dinah Mack

The Names of the Damned : The Dictionary of Demons by Michelle Belanger

Dictionary Infernal By Collin De Plancy

And more ( Tumblr doesn't want links so ;<)

#obey me #obey me!#obey me shall we date #obey me lucifer

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Michael, 26, Teacher / Actor

What is the biggest frustration you’re facing now?

I would say professionally, my frustration is I’m trying to change how theater is viewed at my school. It just seems like a club as opposed to something that’s worth doing that has meaning, that can transform lives.

Personally my biggest frustration is the fact that my personal values don’t match up with my family’s values. My parents grew up in a very different time than I did and my brother unfortunately is beholden to them and agrees with them on a lot of things. I’m always seen as like the rebel or the one that has the progressive views and therefore my views are not welcome. So there’s a lot of tension in my household. We’re really not a family, you know, my dad and his brother hate each other and don’t speak. My mother and her siblings don’t speak and there was a whole lawsuit. So I don’t really have any sense of family in terms of like I have no extended family and even right now, my nuclear family….my brother doesn’t want to speak to me currently for a variety of different reasons. Mostly because he’s seeing someone. He met this girl and he hasn’t been behaving like himself and I told him he should start acting like himself and he told me never to speak to him again after that. Because we’re in this group chat with this fantasy football thing and he added her to the group chat and Ryan was always this snarky sarcastic kind of….he was my brother and he stopped acting like himself so I said “Ryan, why aren’t you acting like yourself?” Then he said “Please don’t speak to me ever again.” So that’s my personal frustration. And it sucks because that relationship with my brother meant the world to me. We were very close.

It’s hard because as the oldest sibling you’re expected to…like Ryan’s always the easy going one and to my parents, you know, I’m the problem. So it’s “How dare I say that.” And while any time I’ve ever dated anyone they didn’t really like or I wasn’t acting like myself they, of course, yelled at me. So the consistency is off. My parents criticize me a lot and I’m under the microscope all the time and my brother can do no wrong. So it’s hard.

2. What trait do you wish you most had?

Better time management. I think it would help me better with my career. What makes me a good actor is that I can live in the moment and that’s what makes me a good teacher because I’m here, I’m present and I’m with you. But I’m always late for everything. I’m always going to be five minutes late. I’m one of those people. I actively try not to be five minutes late and I am somehow two minutes late. I just over schedule. I take on too much. I’m always giving a piece of myself. Whether it’s like I have a meeting period six, but it’s lunch and a student comes in and is like “I need you,” I’m like “Alright I’m here! I’m with you!” And my supervisor tells me this all the time: you need to take more time for yourself. Weekends, weekdays, lunch, I’m always there for my kids, for my students, for my friends so I have a very poor sense of time management.

3. What are 3 characteristics you look for in a friend?

Loyalty, someone who gets my sense of humor, and kindness and compassion.

4. What makes you feel brave?

For a while it was my sheer will. Like “I just have to get through this.” Which is why my favorite super heroes are Batman and Dare Devil because….especially Dare Devil. I super identify with Dare Devil because his whole thing is he gets knocked down, he gets back up, like, why does he keep getting back up?

But I think it’s my friends and the people I care about that make me feel brave. That’s what motivates me to get back up, to get hit again.

5. What makes you feel vulnerable?

That’s a hard question for me as an actor because my job is to be vulnerable in every role I do. So everyone gets to see my deepest pain, my deepest fears, my deepest love, but through someone else. So I would say art makes me feel vulnerable; singing, expression makes me feel vulnerable, but you’ll never know that it’s me. In terms of being truly vulnerable, I would say safety. Someone I can trust makes me personally feel vulnerable. They can see my deepest pain is what it is. I tell my kids this all the time: your job as an actor is to be honest, open, vulnerable with a character, but no one will ever know what your pain is. They’ll see the pain, but they won’t know it’s yours. They’ll see it as the character’s. So that’s how I’ve been my entire life just sharing my pain through the characters I play. For someone to recognize what that pain is in my life, it’s trust, it’s safety.

6. What was your proudest moment?

When my students grow or when I see them become people and embrace their talents. For example, I have this one student that hated reading, he’s a senior so he’s done with high school, the whole thing. I showed them The Truman Show before we started reading “The Stranger.” He watched it and he was like shooketh by the movie! He’s like “Hey Mr. B I really want to read this book cuz I love the movie.” And he read the book and he participated! This was a kid that played games most of the time in class. So that was a proud moment.

I have this one student, she’s Thelma [in the school production of Chicago] and she has so much anxiety. When she believes in herself, that’s when I feel pride because….when you see someone who’s so insecure about themselves and struggling, because you know high school kids, especially today, have a lot to deal with, so seeing her find herself, even in the briefest moments makes me proud because I’m helping. So that makes me proud. Being there for other people and seeing my influence. Well, it’s not me, it’s them. It’s more knowing that I was there to help them along the path and help them be the person they were always meant to be.

7. Who is your role model / hero and why?

My dad. Its funny because all the super heroes I idolize it’s because of the will, if you know what I mean. That’s my dad. He spends most of the time getting beaten down by life and he always got back up. He provided for his family and always made sure that we were taken care of. I am who I am because of him, so yeah, he’s my hero. That’s what he gave me. I hope to be half the man that he is. He provides for his family, he takes care of his wife. He’s supremely loyal and he’s a good looking charming guy. He never strayed. He always had a good internal moral compass and that’s something I try to emulate. He tries to instill that in his sons. Like when you think of like “That’s a good man,” that’s my dad. He’s a good man. He’s not a great man, but he’s a good man. And he loves his kids and he loves his wife. That’s a hero to me.

8. What is one life lesson you’d like to pass down to future generations?

Always challenge yourself to be better. If you look at any religion, any book, anything, at the central point of it is to challenge you to be better. So my hope is that future generations challenge themselves to always be better because we will always fail, we will always be human, we will always make mistakes and the goal is to learn from those mistakes. Just challenge yourself. “You know, I messed up, I’ll be better tomorrow.” That’s all you can hope for is that you just be better. With compassion, with empathy, with being kinder. I think it’s very easy to fall into a hole where you’re like, “Well it’s all about me.” No, just be a better version of yourself to others, to yourself. I think if we all try to do that individually, that will be better for the collective common good.

9. What is your opinion of Jesus?

I went to a Catholic school for a very long time. My opinion is the current Catholicism, Christianity, has him all wrong. The man was brown, he was progressive, and he was a radical and they killed him for it. We are currently living in a country where Christianity is essentially the main religion to the point where it is infused into our laws, our society even though we say church and state separate, you know, it’s not. To me, he is a figure who is being used by many to support their own agendas and hate and it makes me sad because I don’t think that’s what he would have wanted. If you read the Bible, which I have many times for a lot of different assignments, the established Christianity is not what I feel like Jesus would have wanted. Which is why I have turned away from it. I joke that I know too much. In that, yeah, I’ve done my Bible study, I’ve read it several times and it upsets me to see where we’ve gone. Unfortunately, we’re in a time in politics where conservatives are using religion to justify a lot of hate, a lot of bigotry, a lot of things that aren’t really important. To me, Jesus was a man, depending on what you believe, might also have been God who came down and said “Let’s forgive and let’s care about each other more.” Let’s love each other. Even our enemies. I think that’s lost currently in modern day society in so many ways. I think if we could actually take the time to go back to that, it might fix a lot of the problems.

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