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castiel-left-his-mark-on-me · 3 years

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Hi, Ary, very inactive ex-mutual(i think???) here. Good to see you thriving! ♥ It's been a while since I've dipped my head into cockles stuff. Could I perchance maybe ask uuuuum tf is going on??? lol I see Mish apparently confirmed he used to stay over at Jensen's in Van, and heard newbs were apparently freaking out about it and getting a bit messy, which I get that, business as usual. But I'm also seeing shit about spin-offs? And Jared getting in a twitter fight with Jensen, causing/resulting in stans to going feral and sending hate?? I know you're not as big a fan of Jar, but that's part of why I figured I'd ask you, you usually have a really level head about this kinda stuff. If you don't wanna answer publically, or at all, that's totally chill!

Hey, Rhi! We're still mutuals! Of course we're still mutuals! When I saw the notification of your ask, I was like "Hey! I haven't seen you in a while!" and my husband was like "???" and I said "Tumblr" and he said "Oh."

It was a wild time haha.

In any case, welcome back to the dumpster fire! We are obviously still a mess. So to catch you up, I guess I will start by summarizing both before and after the finale (not sure where you left off so this might be redundant for you) ... basically, it became obvious as the end of the show neared that Jensen was not on board with the plan for the finale; although Jared never stopped singing its praises.

We got confirmation of this during a zoom interview where Jensen said that he actually went into the writers room as well as called Kripke to basically voice how he didn't agree with the direction the final season was going, but he was shot down on all fronts. In another interview, he was asked "What would you tell your younger self going into this career?" And Jensen responded with: "I would tell myself to just keep your head down and do the work" meaning, "Don't try to change things because you can't." I also think that this whole situation is what he wrote "Let Me Be" about for his first Radio Company album, but that is just my own speculation. All of his reluctance, even though he always followed it up with "But I eventually saw the value in the script" or "I came around in the end" (which never sounded sincere, and I don't think he was really trying to sound sincere) made us all very nervous about what was to come for 15x20; and of course, when the last two episodes aired, we saw just how badly they fucked it up.

After the awful finale, the entire fandom became aware of the CW's heavy handed role in the thing, basically squeezing all the life out of SPN to shape it into a ramp from which Walker could launch itself. They not only erased all the love and joy and representation that Cas's love confession gave us, they also tore apart the things that made sense about the bond between Sam and Dean, making it really just about Sam-- and therefore Jared, which of course, Jared seemed to be fine with ... even though no one else was. Misha barely said anything during the finale, and a few of the other actors talked about the show ending in various posts, but Jared tweeted up a storm ... and Jensen? Jensen just sat in sexy-silent resentment of the whole thing. He didn't tweet, he didn't post, he didn't say a word once he no longer had to, and I think that's because he was already going full-steam-ahead on his plans for redemption.

Which brings us to Chaos Machine-- Jensen and Danneel's new production company that is being run by a queer creative director and has a mantra of inclusivity and representation woven throughout it's fabric; and apparently, the first story that Jensen wanted to tell through this new platform is the origin story of Sam and Dean's parents; so last week (?) he announced the upcoming production of "The Winchesters" -- the untold love story of John and Mary. Obviously, John is not the most likable character from the show, so the idea was met with a lot of resentment when it was first announced, but Jensen has gone on to say that he is excited to take on the task of telling the "true" story behind these characters-- the one that makes sense with the pre-established canon and doesn't reject it. So, given that, the idea is being mulled over with a bit more optimism from the fandom.

Who isn't being optimistic though?

Jared Padalecki.

When Jensen made this announcement on Twitter, many of his friends and coworkers congratulated him, but not Jared. Jared responded with a passive aggressive: "I'm happy for you, man, but I wish I didn't hear about it through Twitter." This of course, sent all the die-hard Jared fans into a tizzy and they immediately began asking him if he was serious (hoping it was just a joke-- we all hoped it was because there would be fallout no matter what one's opinion on Jared is). Instead of leaving it there though or just deleting that tweet, Jared went on to tweet some more, saying that he was being serious that he didn't know about the plans for the prequel, and that he was "gutted" that Sam apparenlty wouldn't be included (mind you, this a prequel to SPN... meaning BEFORE Sam and Dean were even born, so how could Sam be included? But Dean is apparently narrating this story so maybe Jared thought Sam should be helping to narrate it? I don't know). But Jared being Jared couldn't just leave that there, he then went on to tweet at Robbie Thompson who was announced as a writer for "The Winchesters" so then Jared went off on him too, calling him "Brutus" and a "coward" acting like Robbie betrayed him (speculation is-- Robbie refused to write for Walker, so Jared is pissed that he essentially chose Jensen over him). He did fairly quickly, remove that tweet attacking Robbie, but of course the damage was done at that point. And it truly only took his first tweet calling out Jensen for some people to be like "Jared-- that sucks if you didn't know but why are you saying any of this publicly?"

As you might know, Jared has had issues in the past with posting hurtful things on social media, and has even used it as a tool for attack before-- calling out customer service agents and public workers that he felt have wronged him, which is bad enough ... but for him to then do the same thing to his best friend of well over a decade? Many people who had once liked him or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt (I used to ...) stopped after this latest twitter tantrum.

However, some people have suspected for some time that J2 had a falling out either shortly before the finale or just after. Their public/social media interactions have seemed awkward, stilted or even non-existent in moments that they normally wouldn't be. In the past year, when Walker premiered, Jensen didn't say much about his friend's new venture other than a "Congrats. buddy" here and there. Later, we learned that Jensen refused to work on the show ... Jared said he make him do it, drag Jensen to the set "kicking and screaming" which made many fans quirk up an eyebrow because, why would Jensen put up a fight unless the two weren't as close as they used to be? And then Jensen moved his family to Colorado (either permanently or for an extended period at least) which is notable considering how he moved to Texas seemingly to be closer to Jared, even buying a house that was near his. All this was just speculation though; but it wasn't until Jared's tweet complaining about not knowing about the prequel that the theories behind them falling out, became less theory and more fact.

The day after his twitter tantrum, Jared tweeted again-- not retracting his statements or apologizing, but instead saying that he and Jensen "talked" and were "all good". Jensen then tweeted too, parroting this statement to some degree, which only made the whole thing even more sour in the mouths of the fans. The fact that Jared didn't apologize for his outburst and throwing his friend under the bus, and also the fact that Jensen-- Mr. Sexy Silence, Mr. Never Tweets, Mr. Tech-Ignorant-and-Proud, actually had to POST SOMETHING saying that he and Jared made up, it just screamed OPTICS. It was obviously the work of agents and PR firms and lots of people going "Look, if you two keep beefing, that will mean the death of both of your projects. Even more people will stop watching Walker, and this SPN prequel will never get picked up due to the scandal." So, the two "made nice" publicly to quell the chaos, but in my opinion, it's all too little too late. Jared started a storm that he can't contain now with a little tweet, and it seems like he knows that too because before he talked about him and Jensen making up, he asked that people "not send threats". He could have just as easily said that he shouldn't have made this a public issue and that he's sorry, but instead, he continued to play the victim and stoke the flames by alerting us all to the damage he's done.

Now, like I said before-- I used to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's an awful human or that he deserves to be attacked or anything, but he is an adult man with very poor judgment and an obvious selfish-streak a mile wide. He should know better, and he should have more respect for his so-called "friends" and "brothers" than to make them targets to public ridicule. I have a hard time believing that Jensen still sees Jared the way he used to, and I wouldn't blame him a bit for wanting to pull away-- especially when he's moving on to so many new and exciting things. Jared certainly deserves happiness just as much as anyone else, but he went on twitter and basically asked for a scandal, and he got one.

The question is now-- was there a motive behind it? Was just looking for a reason to bring his and Jensen's falling out to light-- while making himself looking like the victim in the process? Or did he genuinely not know about the prequel and just decided to go about "not knowing" in the most toxic and hurtful way he could manage?

In any case, that is the drama ... that is the J2 insanity in a rather lengthy nutshell ... that is the tea ... and I hope it all makes sense.

But the good news out of all of this is, Cockles is thriving-- they are happy and in love and Jensen calls Misha "Babe" and Misha misses waking up to see Jensen in the morning, and they are just as cute and wonderful as can be.

So, I will end that there. I am so glad to see you back, and I hope I answered all your questions in a way that made sense ... I tried anyway!

💖💖💖

#omg #I don't even know if this makes sense #this took way too long to write #j2 #cockles #long post #spn family #so glad you see you back again my dear #welcome to hell #it's hotter now

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samsoleil · 2 years

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I’ve always wondered if the writers decided to (or were instructed to) write less for Sam after Jared’s season 3 breakdown just in case it became the Dean Show. I don’t think the Dean Show would ever have actually panned out, but the switch to focusing on Dean always made me wonder if it was an intentional shift or not, as some sort of insurance that the show would keep going if Jared did leave.

ohmygosh HI it's crazy how excited I was to see this like someone wants MY thoughts? wow!!

cw for discussion of several tumblr redacted topics, including mental illness and suicide.

First things first, it's important to acknowledge that there is a huge amount of stigma against mental illness! And I feel like this stigma increases exponentially with the amount of respect your career garners in the public eye which means that the fear of people discovering that you have a mental illnesses also increases. I know for a fact that this problem is rampent amongst medical professionals (including med students), and it's very safe to assume that the same goes for celebrities. There's a reason that we often don't discover that actors were depressed until after they've committed suicide.

(I want to preface the rest of this by saying from here on out is entirely speculation, so please take it with a ring of salt)

I don't think that fears around Jared quitting due to his mental health quite explain the consistent and ongoing Dean favouritism within the show. If they genuinely intended to shape the show to make Dean a solo character, they should have transitioned him to the protagonist, ideally beginning in s4 (after Jared's first breakdown).

What would this transition look like? It would involve giving Dean more agency within the plot, having him make decisions that change the course of the story, and having him make unpredictable choices that are later explained to increase our understanding of his motives. Sam would be put on a backburner, deferring to Dean's judgement or lacking the tools to counter Dean's choices, behaving consistently and predictably, and interacting more with side characters to shape them as entities (keeping in mind that side characters function to further the protagonist, which is why so many character arcs end once they've furthered Sam's development lol).

But they never quite managed to achieve this. Despite the Dean favouritism, despite the crappy writing, despite everything, throughout the show Sam is still the protagonist and Jared is still giving it his all. So no, I don't think that's a sufficient explanation.

More exploration of this whole thing under the cut.

Jared has had two instances that we know of where showrunners and writers genuinely feared that he may not be capable of continuing in the show; s3 and s10. In s3 he was essentially given no choice about whether to continue or not, Kripke spoke with him personally, and some nasty rumours began being spread about his behaviour on-set. Making the choice to open up about his mental illness back around s3 was incredibly brave of him, and also really clever, because it meant that he could seize control of the narrative. protagonist vibes.

But what do we see in s4? Sam has more agency and power than ever before. He has a clear goal, a huge amount of motivation, and his certainty refuses to let anybody else stand in his way. They need Lilith dead, both to prevent her from freeing Lucifer and to get revenge on her for killing Dean, and Sam is determined to make this happen. And he wants Dean to be with him when he does. Dean's attempts to intervene with Sam's plans are futile but they serve to further his character. Sam is the monster he always feared he would be.

"Kael, your Sam bias is showing." Okay, okay, let's talk about what Dean is doing in s4. After being tortured in hell and freed by an unknown force, Dean grapples with his guilt before confessing to Sam that he remembers everything. He works with Sam to prevent the seals from being destroyed (the seals are destroyed), he locks Sam in the panic room (Sam is freed from the panic room), he tries to stop Sam from leaving him (Sam leaves him), aaaand he gets locked in a room (and Sam kills Lilith).

...so Sam is still the protagonist here.

But the Dean favouritism POPS in seasons 4 and 5, setting the course for the rest of the show. Demon blood is evil because Dean (and therefore narrative) says so. Sam's powers are evil because Dean (and therefore narrative) says so. Sam is doing the wrong thing because Dean (and therefore narrative) says so. Killing Lilith was bad and he was an idiot for doing it, what do you mean that Dean thought up until the very last second that killing Lilith would save the seal? Sam SINGLE-HANDEDLY RELEASED LUCIFER oh 65 seals broke before that one? and Dean broke the first one by torturing people? and Cas let Sam out of the panic room? and angels lied to the three of them? I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Sam being a monster. Sam's the least of any of them and he's too weak to keep Lucifer behind bars. And he's too weak to say no. Even though he's been saying no and DEAN is the one threatening to say yes to Michael.

And then SAM SAVES THE WORLD in Swan Song, and they BRING HIM BACK!!! And it's not even Dean that does it! Oh my god, if they wanted Jared gone, they should have just killed Sam there and be done with it!

Okay. Breathing.

(Be honest, how much of that had you forgotten about? How much has the show shaped your perception of Sam and his actions?)

Jared's second crisis was in 2015, after s10 had finished filming, and he very publically posted about this on social media (and garnered so much support, I love Jared fans for this). I suspect that it was known to the production team over the course of s10 filming that Jared was struggling with his mental health, even if it didn't make it into the public eye until after filming was finished.

Enter the MoC, the closest that Dean has come to being the protagonist in the whole show (excluding Alpha and Omega). Dean's getting the Mark with Crowley, he's killing being killed by Mettatron, he's being a demon getting cured by Sam, he's doing nothing to stop the Mark from taking over, he's on the sidelines while Sam searches for a cure, he's being convinced by Sam to kill Death (wait, Sam's driving the show again, shit). And audiences fucking hated it. s10 got awful awful ratings.

Enter s11, audience darling, where the two brothers are finally on the same page and supporting each other and Sam is facing up against Lucifer again while Dean is puppeted around by the big bad. Sam's decision to go to the Cage Lite, despite Dean's protests, is the thing that catalyses the rest of the season. Aaand Sam is the protagonist again. Quick, let's focus in on Dean's face after Sam talks about how upset he is so that we can make Dean look more relevant.

If you want to delve deep into the speculation (and AKF and YANA, which I didn't touch on here, I really don't know enough), check out (@)lol-jackles who is a practiced speculator and former actor so actually knows some stuff lol

#anonymous #kael.txt #spn #spn meta

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msgrumpygills · 2 years

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Social Media Anon here!

This is my sign off post. I don't have anything left to say on the topics of Walker figures and Gen's blog. The data is there for anyone to analyse and the trajectory is the same...

But this is my overall take on it.

Yes, Walker is a car crash.

Yes, it's lost 70% of its viewers.

Yes, it's come in at 0.11 on the premiere (which is a new low and down from 0.37 at the start) and it's lost its key demographic.

Yes, it's likely to go lower still (I predict 0.9 or 0.8 by mid season with steadying of audience at 0.8m with occasional jumps to 0.9 and drops to 0.7m by season end.

What matters though is that this is grading on a curve. Despite all of this, it is STILL one of the top shows on the CW.... That says something about the CW. Only Superman and Lois and All American have more potential for viewers and demographic, and Superman and Lois a far more expensive show to make.

So Jared will continue to be the small fish who people look at through the goldfish bowl. The bowl magnifies the fish... but he's really a small fish in a small bowl. He really isn't a big star. Most people outside the fandom don't know him. Look at the press he gets? An occasional flurry in EW but mostly in "nerd press". That's a very small audience.

Actually the only thing that upsets me about Walker is that it is such absolute dross, that it insults the audience.

So Jared plugging (and how he exercises his quality control as producer) the show and not repairing it tells us exactly what he really thinks of the audience. We are simply product to be coaxed into whatever he wants us to be. We don't matter. It's the same with mantralabs, that is an expensive product which can be obtained far cheaper elsewhere, but he coaxes those with less money than him to use their money to his benefit.

Back to Walker, I have to remember that Jared may not recognise quality anymore. Supernatural was a shit storm for seasons before it ended. Aging men running around amateur sets chasing increasingly unlikely (but cheap to display) "big bads" of that season. It REALLY was bad.

I think Walker will make season 3, I doubt it will make season 4 unless something happens. I think it might get another early renewal as a sign of support.... But I'd have to say, unless something happens to the CW, what is the reason for its existence? If it can't turn out content that is viewed, with the Arrowverse and SPN gone and no new audience niche being signposted... why keep it going?

Jared is a mega star though!!! He’s gonna save CW and he’s gonna save the whole TV world! He is the one who made SPN a success!!!

Phooey.

THIS HIT SO HARD! The fact that he has had chance after chance to make improvements and chose not to says that he doesn’t care. As long as people continue to support things because he’s attached to it, he doesn’t have to do any sort of hard work at all. He’s shown this in the past too with AKF and all of his Stands collaborations; all he sees are dollar signs. He doesn’t see the fans, he doesn’t care about what they say, as long as they continue to buy his bullshit and pad his wallet. Prick behavior at its finest.

Jared probably doesn’t recognize quality because he doesn’t recognize his own faults. In his eyes, he’s the greatest thing to happen to everything and everyone, and his actions continue to show that fact. We can only hope that he gets a dose of humility soon, but I’m not optimistic.

#grumpy answers #social media anon #anti jared padalecki #anti walker

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canonicallysoulmates · 4 years

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Hello, I just have one more question. Idk, if it will make sense because it doesn't even make sense in my head. If j2 are really together don't you think they'll already come out instead of living a lie for 15 years? Let's think they lied for their careers which is nothing but spn and only spn. Don't you think they would stopped it way back and lived their lives happily. They're still hiding and if they continue they have to forever hide. What do you think? Do I even make sense at all?

You make sense, or at least I think I understand what it is you’re trying to say and I will do my best to answer.

First things first their careers are not just and only spn, spn is what they are known for and is to date their biggest, longest-running project but they are professional actors who had roles before, during, and, in the case of Jared, after spn.

With that being said, moving on to your question this is something I’ve been asked about before and it’s something I’ve seen a couple of people...I guess struggle with the thought that they’d be in the closet for 15yrs like for some it seems like an unbelievable amount of time for somebody to be in the closet especially nowadays when society is seemingly more accepting, and I say seemingly because while progress has been made there is still a long way to go, but I’m going to link you to a previous ask I had gotten: asking about celebrities that have/had been in the closet for 10+ years.

I’m not sure if by stopping it way back you mean the show or their closeting but I’ll address both, and I’ll start this by saying that I think if they could go back in time they might have made different choices.

Both the show and their closeting have the involvement of contracts and contracts are not easy to get out of, and there tend to be different kinds of incentives (usually money) or manipulation to keep artists renewing their contracts and the like, for example, another CW lead actor, Stephen Amell from Arrow was ready to leave the show at its 7th season but he agreed to do a shortened 8th season because of the money they offered him saying it was an offer that would have been fiscally irresponsible of him to refuse.

It’s important to remember, the decision to end spn hasn’t always been in the boys' hands, for the longest time it was up to the network whether the show lived to see another season regardless of how j2 felt about it, and there are several possible reasons for them to have kept with the show for so long some of them include: the freedom that being in Van for most of the year gave them, the steady paycheck, their feelings of commitment to the job, and the characters they play, the fact that they have six little mouths to feed that depend on them for food, clothing, education, a roof over their head.

When it comes to closeting like I said there are contracts involved but there’s also a lot of manipulation I’m going to once again use a CW actor as an example, Colton Hayes has spoken openly in the past about how this industry can take advantage of you and how when he first arrived in LA his management team at the time told him he couldn’t be gay if he wanted to work and they put that in his head for years.

It’s easy to think they could have just come out of the closet at any time but there’s a lot of factors that have to be kept in mind, I didn’t even get into fears that they might have as to how the fans would react if they came out or how family members or friends who don’t know about their relationship would take it-

They don’t have to hide forever, coming out does not have an expiration date. If you’re LGBTQ and you don’t come out by a certain date a lock doesn’t go over the door and you can never get out.

I hope I’ve made sense, and have managed to answer your question anon.

#j2 tinhat #closeting in hollywood #anon #ask #Anonymous #annianvi

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