feeling like i want to change my username back to @fvae
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imagine Charlie getting over the initial Oooh Wings~ and Yay We're Okay Again! only to find out HOW Vaggie got her wings
out of her love for Charlie, yes sure, very sweet, Vaggie would probably say it with so much softness and pride, how her wings are physical declaration of what Charlie means to her and-
Vaggie got those wings while they were separated. it happened when Charlie wasn't there for her
like on that fucking rooftop
it's one sided AGAIN. it's Vaggie doing her emotional battles ALONE, or at least, facing them without Charlie physically there with her
three YEARS they've known each other. Dating for... long enough to be comfortable. presumably it's close to three years of Vaggie running to hold Charlie like we see her doing over and over- in the first ep after the extermination, during the reveal in heaven, before the battle when Charlie was scared-
three years. and Vaggie's wings only come back when they aren't together
add that to Charlie's habit of apologizing whenever Vaggie finds her being sad- imagine it's because, Vaggie never let's Charlie help her when she's sad.
Vaggie doesn't hide it. but she does that thing, like on the roof. Asking Charlie to leave her here. Sad and hurt and mentally not doing good. Asking for alone time (she's charlie's armor) (what's the point of her if she can't help-)
and Charlie backed off from that. respected it. was scared of what it meant? scared to find out?
she wasn't too worried though, like this whole thing was familiar. Vaggie needs alone time and Vaggie will come back. and she does
after the reveal though, part of Charlie's anger comes from fear- that if Vaggie was lying about the angel thing, what about everything else? what about her love and faith in Charlie? does Vaggie really love her? Charlie shared EVERYTHING with her but Vaggie had this secret only it's not just ONE secret is it- it's not just ONE thing Vaggie won't share- it's just a sign of how much Vaggie HASN'T been sharing- even when it's scary and sad and, she really needs a hug
what if Charlie really really REALLY wants to be THERE for Vaggie, but the wings are a reminder now of Charlie not being there when Vaggie got back this important part of herself
(of vaggie finding herself in the alone time, without charlie)
(worse- carmilla was there. someone else was there when charlie wasn't and that person was who vaggie needed-)
irony irony irony
every time Vaggie is alone trying to figure out herself and what to do and if she can do it- Charlie's the first and most important thing her mind holds onto. Charlie, and wanting to be WITH Charlie, is always what gets her to face her problem and keep pushing through
she just... doesn't do it while Charlie's actually there. and maybe she doesn't talk about it much with Charlie either, afterwards. and...
maybe Charlie doesn't know
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something abt the punch spill on nancy’s all white costume in s2 implying that she is guilty….she’s affected by this (the death of her best friend and the upside down etc) and she is not the same nancy wheeler that she was a year ago. this is a “tainted” nancy wheeler. a guilty one, too. in this essay i will—
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i am so glad theres someone else who also thinks lmk executes its ideas and themes much better than toh. rip belos you will never be lady bone demon
TOH wasn't that strong in the themeing department in general (though I'm not well-versed in that show). I remember finishing the finale and being like....damn. What was the overall message of this show? ("Weirdos stick together" maybe?) Does toh have any consistent motifs or symbolism? If memory serves, not really?
Like, you rewatch episode 1x01 of LMK and MK goes "Well...I am invincible. *sigh* Anytime I try to do anything, I just gunk everything up!", and you're like. Woah. The Sun Wukong parallels are that strong from episode 1x01? Invincibility/Immortality and hurting the people you care about? No matter what you do, it leading to pain? Holy shit.
Contrast that with TOH where it's like, in episode 1x02 Luz learns she's not "the chosen one" and that the boiling isles are very different from the magical realms she imagined...which is kinda undone by the reveal that the Titan chose to show Luz the Glyphs. And while Titan Luz is very fun, it's not thematically sound—which is just kinda that whole show, you know? If you're not thinking about it that deep, then it's like "holy shit cool concept!" (which is totally valid of people), but if you do it's pretty empty. (Hi Hunter getting flapjack-based teleportation powers. What was the point of this.)
Which, I think this becomes super apparent with the Luz and Belos foil. Luz and Belos had a lot of interesting parallels (both of them being humans in the isles, each coming there wanting to fulfill a certain "role", for Luz being the "Great Witch Azura" and for Belos/Philip being a "Witch Hunter General", the whole "protecting the things you love" deal). And then, where does this all go?
It leads to Luz being told "no. You're the good guy and Belos is the bad guy! You could never be the same! Belos is motivated by his own 'need to be the hero'" (which was definitely what Luz was motivated by over the course of the show, even if it was more innocent, but whatever), and riding off of tdp s4's "In the name of love, you will do things so dangerous and vile—you will never be able to forgive yourself" and the lmk s3's "to pain" scene, it fell really flat for me—like it's not bad, it's just really mid.
(Post where I go on a rant about Luz's s3 arc being kinda lame)
And then, you have the LBD & MK foil. You have MK's s4 arc. The "to pain" scene is such a unique "you and I are not so different" moment—but it's also relevant to the whole show. And LBD is right, doing what you think is right does lead to pain. Like, even looking at MK's journey over the seasons, every action has had it's consequences.
Saving Pigsy and Tang in 1x04? Spider Queen snagged MK's hair and that let her dominate the city later. Stopping DBK in 1x10? That freed LBD. Stopping SQ in ROTSQ? That gave LBD access to the trigram furnace. MK trying to gain more power in s2? Well, "Now do you understand? From the start you never had what it took to defeat me. All your power could do was make me stronger." SWK leaving in s2? "You're the one always running off, trying to get more power or more sources of immortality." Trying to get the Samadhi fire in s3? Opps, now Mei has this uncontrollable flame within her. Monkey King running off to fight LBD alone so MK doesn't have to? He get's possessed. Freeing SWK from possession? Now LBD has the power to fulfill destiny. Attempting to free your friends from the scroll? Now Peng and Azure are also free. Trying to get SWK back? His scroll piece has been split in half. Stopping Azure from destroying all of reality? Now the Jade Emperor's power is without a host, flower fruit mountain is destroyed, and you can't help but feel they played into the puppet master's hands.
It's thematically consistent and banging. Like....anytime they try to do anything, they just gunk everything up. Like....sometimes you hurt the people who care about you the most. Like....whether you want to help people or not, everything you do can just make things worse.
AND MAYBE. Just maybe, you can also leave the world a little better than you found it. The pain that's been caused doesn't undo the good that's been done. And I guess I think that's more interesting that just like..."no! you're intent was good and theirs was bad!", you know?
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comes down to jason. he's never going to be a sibling to any of these people and i honestly think it's fine like he doesn't have to be
You’re are so right! It’s interesting to see the relationship between all these characters in relation to Bruce and who sees Bruce as a father figure but that doesn’t mean any of these characters have to be siblings. There are very few people I see Jason even wanting some kind of connection with within Gotham. Like if these characters were so set on being made into this found family then most characterizations wouldn’t have to do the the meat grinder to make it happen. It’s great that you talked about Gotham and suffocating when it comes to Dick because that’s something I would have liked to see more especially when it came to his connection to Barbara because a lot felt waves away to show how great they were for each other but honestly I feel like if they had stayed true to things that he would had felt suffocation there too.
realistically i think two barriers to any kind of relationship forming between dick and barbara should have been the age gap (obv) had barbara's pre-crisis age been maintained and then the contrast in their attachment to bruce at the time. dick and bruce had a very awkward relationship by the time dick first came back to gotham and in the time that he was gone not only did barbara and bruce grow comparatively closer as friends because they were still working together; she was also a firsthand witness to everything that happened with jason whereas dick was not. that camaraderie she developed with bruce in such a short time period due to traumatic events should have almost felt like an assault on everything dick had grown up to know. because in only a few years' time he already felt worlds apart from bruce where they'd spent years at each other's side whereas barbara was now akin to being bruce's closest friend despite operating at a distance for a large part of her initial stint. and when you factor in the kind of exposure and power she was privy to by way of being oracle, versus the secrecy and (well intended) oversight he was subject to for nearly half of his life, it should have stung! i really think he should have perceived her as a threat (to his psyche) and that any interaction between them should have made him feel powerless and embittered and angry, because regardless of however much he wanted to go out and make a name for himself, in his mind, in his heart, it should have been him where she was standing
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