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lmaowh-at · 5 months

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Is it gay if my brother in law takes me out for the night to see the most intimate side of him (his wife and infant son) after i saved his life? I (20m) was recently married off to the king’s (23m) sister,

#la reine margot #charles ix #henri of navarre #relapsed :/#🧩

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cy-lindric · 1 year

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La Reine Margot - Charles IX, Henri de Navarre, and Marguerite de Valois

I.III - Un roi poète

I.XXXI - La Chasse à Courre

II.IV - La Nuit des Rois

#La Reine Margot #Alexandre Dumas #Charles IX #Henri de Navarre #Henri IV #Marguerite de Navarre #new obsession just dropped welcome to the era #Charles is callous and sickly and pathetic so naturally he's a blorbo #he can excuse religious war crimes but he draws the line at his sexy cool protestant brother in law ♥️#i havent even designed the main gays of this book...it has so much to offer #16th century

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yeoldegodzilla · 1 month

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Two paintings commemorate Godzilla paying homage to Henry IV and Joan of Navarre after their marriage. It is reputed that Godzilla gave Joan advice about her wedding night.

#godzilla #medieval #henry iv #joan of navarre #painting

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illustratus · 2 months

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Henri IV with his Mistress by Louis-Nicolas Lemasle

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queerbauten · 3 months

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To describe Anne Boleyn as a feminist would be an anachronism - and not nearly as appropriate an anachronism as in the case of Marguerite de Navarre and others who openly championed female equality. Marguerite did not have the word, but she was conscious of a women's "cause." There's no evidence that Anne felt similarly. But she had learned to value her body and her ideas, and she ultimately recognized that there was something unsettling about this for Henry and understood that this played a role in her downfall.

"A Perfect Storm", The Creation of Anne Boleyn, Susan Bordo

#The Creation of Anne Boleyn #Anne Boleyn #Marguerite de Navarre #Henry VIII #Tudor history #feminism #misogyny mention #sexism mention #body image mention #? just in case #text heavy #Susan Bordo

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wonder-worker · 1 month

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I've been thinking about the tragedy of Elizabeth Woodville living to see the death of her family name.

I don't mean her family with her husband, which lived on through her daughter and grandson. I mean her own.

Her sisters died, one by one, many of them after 1485. When Elizabeth died, only Katherine was left, and she would die before the turn of the century as well.

All her brothers died, too. Lewis died in childhood. John was executed. Anthony was murdered. Lionel died suddenly in the peak of Richard's reign, unable to see his niece become queen. Edward perished at war. Richard died in grieving peace. For all the violence and judgement the family endured, it was "an accident of biology" that ended their line: none of the brothers left heirs, and the Woodville name was extinguished. We know the family was aware of this. We know they mourned it, too:

“Buy a bell to be a tenor at Grafton to the bells now there, for a remembrance of the last of my blood.”

Elizabeth lived through the deposition and death of her young sons, and lived to see the end of her own family name. It must have been such a haunting loss, on both sides.

#(the quote is by Richard Woodville in his deathbed will; he was the last of the Woodville brothers to die)#elizabeth woodville #woodvilles #my post #to be clear I am not arguing that the death of an English gentry family name is some kind of giant tragedy (it absolutely the fuck is not)#I'm trying to put it into perspective with regards to what Elizabeth may have felt because we know her family DID feel this way #writing this kinda reminded me of how I am just not fond at all about the way Elizabeth's experiences in 1483-85 are written about #and the way lots so many of the unprecedentedly horrifying aspects are overlooked or treated so casually:#the seizure and murder of two MINOR sons and the illegal execution of another;#her sheer vulnerability in every way compared to all her queenly predecessors; how she was harassed by 'dire threats' for months;#how she had 5 very young daughters with her to look after at the time (Bridget and Katherine were literally 3 and 4 years old);#how unprecedented Richard's treatment of her was: EW was the first queen of england to be officially declared an adulteress;#and the first and ONLY queen to be officially accused of witchcraft #(Joan of Navarre was accused of her treason; she was never explicitly accused of witchcraft on an official level like EW was)#the first crowned queen of england to have her marriage annulled; and the first queen to have her children officially bastardized #what former queens endured through rumors* were turned into horrifying realities for her.#(I'm not trying to downplay the nightmare of that but this was fundamentally on a different level altogether)#nor did Elizabeth get a trial or appeal to the church. like I cannot emphasize this enough: this was not normal for queens #and not normal for depositions. ultimately what Richard did *was* unprecedented #and of course let's not forget that Elizabeth had literally just been unexpectedly widowed like 20 days before everything happened #I really don't feel like any of this is emphasized as much as it should be?#apart from the horrifying death of her sons - but most modern books never call it murder they just write that they 'disappeared'#and emphasize that ACTUALLY we don't know what happened to them (this includes Arlene Okerlund)#rather than allowing her to have that grief (at the very least)#more time is spent dealing with accusations that she was a heartless bitch or inconsistent intriguer for making a deal with Richard instead #it also feels like a waste because there's a lot that can be analyzed about queenship and R3's usurpation if this is ever explored properly #anyway - it's kinda sad that even after Henry won and her daughter became queen EW didn't really get a break #her family kept dying one by one and the Woodville name was extinguished. and she lived to see it #it's kinda heartbreaking - it was such a dramatic rise and such a slow haunting fall #makes for a great story tho

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roehenstart · 8 months

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King Henry IV of France. By Frans Pourbus the Younger.

#frans pourbus #frans pourbus the younger #royaume de france #henri iv #roi de france #henri iii #roy de navarre #roi de france et de navarre #vive le roi #maison de bourbon #vert galant #kingdom of france #house of bourbon

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joanofnavarre · 9 months

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une-sanz-pluis · 1 month

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Another gift which symbolised [Joan of Navarre's] welcome to the family were two golden tablets worth £79, which were given to Joan on behalf of her new stepsons John of Bedford and Humphrey of Gloucester. Tablets were a type of religious jewellery, which sometimes contained relics or depicted religious scenes and could be worn as a pendant on a chain. It appears that they were extremely fashionable in this period; indeed Ronald Lightbown claims that “by the 1390s the tablet was already a favourite type of devotional pendant in England”. Joan also gave Henry VI a tablet in her later years which was bejewelled with sapphires and emeralds and had an intricate and interesting design. The design featured “an ymage of Seynt George hauyng a crosse upon hys armure” and 12 enamelled lions—given that St George was the patron saint of England and the king's heraldry featured lions rampant, it was a very fitting present for its king. Henry VI also gave Joan a tablet as a New Year's gift in 1436 with a “great sapphire” on it, which had originally been given to him by “my Lady of Gloucestre”, mostly likely Eleanor Cobham—again indicating the cyclical nature of gift exchange by passing on a gift from one member of the royal family to another.

Elena Woodacre, Joan of Navarre Infanta, Duchess, Queen, Witch? (Routledge, 2022)

#joan of navarre #john duke of bedford #humphrey duke of gloucester #henry vi #eleanor cobham #historian: elena woodacre

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stonelord1 · 10 months

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A VISIT TO KING'S LANGLEY

King’s Langley was once home to a massive Plantagenet palace, built out of the remnants of a hunting lodge of Henry III for Edward I’s Queen, Eleanor of Castile. She furnished it lavishly, with carpets and baths. There were shields decorating the hall and a painted picture of four knights going to a tournament, while the expansive gardens were planted with vines. After her death, the palace was…

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lmaowh-at · 1 year

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Hare and Hound

#*shouts* THIS ONES FOR YOU JEZ #thanks for opening my eyes #how i be looking at my narrative foil (we want to be each other)#la reine margot #charles ix #henri de navarre #alexandre dumas #🧩#im unwell like mentally

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cy-lindric · 1 year

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Last of their name

#house of valois #french history #charles ix #henri iii #françois d'alençon #marguerite de navarre #claude de france #elisabeth de france #diane de france #françois II #la reine margot

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themidnightcircusshow · 1 year

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The Queen’s Choice by Anne O’Brien

The Queen’s Choice is a pretty average novel, with some good tidbits and some things that got under my skin. But it’s main problems aren’t bad history (though there is some of that), but bad writing. It has the same problem that a lot of historical fiction in the vein of Philippa Gregory has, where the heroine of the novel is not necessarily present at a lot of historically significant moments. The way to counteract this problem is by making her the focus of her own plot, so we aren’t left with nothing but a conspicuous absence. The Queen’s Choice goes in the opposite direction-- almost every important plot element happens off screen. Even the choice the novel is named for happens only in exposition. Joanna’s imprisonment happens after a six year time skip, so it truly comes out of nowhere. The battle of Shrewsbury, the execution of Archbishop Scrope, most of Henry and Joanna’s marriage takes place in letters or single sentences that get cast aside. It conveys, perhaps more than Anne O’Brien intended, that Joanna was a Queen with nothing to do and no importance. Which makes it increasingly laughable every time Joanna is praised for her political knowledge and ability to give good counsel, when we never see her express either attribute and she gets shot down whenever she tries. This Joanna is ironically far less active than any of the information about her indicates, and her characterisation is too flat to give her any other impact.

To put it frankly, it reads like fanfiction-- not just because it’s an easy read, but because it feels like a companion piece, the kind of fic you write about a side character you like but who isn’t very involved in the main plot. If you don’t already know this time period in depth, you won’t have any idea what is going on.

Little Details I liked

Humphrey cheerfully recounting all the ways his father has nearly been murdered.

The concern about Joanna’s entourage and ties to Brittany is shown well. None of it relates at all to her imprisonment, so the foreshadowing and payoff are completely divorced from one another, but it’s nice to see an attempt.

Similarly, Joanna is shown to indulge in plenty of herbs, as does a lot of other characters. I just like when it’s shown a lot of people use potions and tinctures and the like, and how the line between that and witchcraft is essentially whether a person likes you or not.

We get to see a glimpse of Henry’s rising paranoia after taking the crown. It goes nowhere, and the most pressing examples of it are left aside, but again, an attempt was made. Sort of.

Stuff that Irked Me

Blanche is referred to as dying in childbirth. Again.

Henry is barely given a character. Their romance is never given enough detail to be convincing. Frankly, I wonder if the author was more interested in the storyline with Thomas than the one with Henry.

Humphrey stands around listening to people call Hal selfish, greedy, and all sorts after Joanna’s imprisonment, and does nothing. Humphrey.

Henry Beaufort’s characterisation is neither consistent nor sensical.

Henry IV supports the Burgundians in this book, but is reluctant to go to war. Still, he is determined to lead the invasion himself. This plot line is never resolved in a way that makes it historically accurate, it’s just dropped.

Hal is seen on screen perhaps five times. The first is after the Battle of Shrewsbury, where Joanna offers him potions for his scar. The second is him being mentioned to be talking about violently quashing the Welsh. The third, him demanding Henry abdicate (and demand is the right word. Little argument is made, and none that would suggest Hal is concerned at all about Henry’s ill health, just that he wants the power for himself). The fourth is at Henry’s deathbed, wherein Joanna says Hal doesn’t like her very much. Based on these few scenes, and the final chapters in the book where every character on screen (except Humphrey, but he doesn’t say otherwise) is quick to call Hal various insults, I think that Hal is meant to simply be taken as evil. Hal is undoubtedly the villain of Joanna’s story, but as soon as we get Henry saying Hal doesn’t understand why you would want an outspoken wife and Joanna claiming Hal would never take the advice of a woman (forgetting, of course, that Joanna was very active in Hal’s court when he first became King, and Joan FitzAlan’s entire existence), there is no longer room for nuance and subtlety. He is sexist, and violent, and greedy, and he is either Evil or at the very least a real prick who not even his uncle and brother can defend. While wholly unintentional, considering Joanna shows sympathy towards Hal about it and it only, I’m still somewhat annoyed that one of the only times we get Hal with his scar, it’s when he is intended to be as unsympathetic as possible.

#The Queen's Choice #Joanna of Navarre #Henry V #Cirque Reviews

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illustratus · 2 months

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