#hazbin discussion

[wolfmage553]

Spoilers for the first episode of Hazbin Hotel

When Adam's plan to destroy Hell inevitably backfires (Because it will) and gets him damned to hell for either

A) Moving the extermination date up without doing the proper paperwork and thus causing a whole bureaucratic nightmare in heaven.

Or

B) Triggering the predestined war between heaven and hell long before heaven was ready and while hell had way more forces than heaven which resulted in heaven being curbstomped/forced to surrender.

I think it'd be really funny for Charlie (and maybe some of the other characters) to sing a reprise of Hell is Forever with some changed lyrics to match how Adam trying to destroy hell ultimately led to his own damnation.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin adam #hazbin charlie #hazbin discussion

[veramitar]

Young overlords ready to paint the neighborhood red.

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[cloudbrooksblog]

The Hazbin Hotel leaks is most likely just test dialogue and scripts from the pitch bible and audition sheets and will be changed and updated. But they're regular old audition sheets describing the characters, their voices and songs. This isn't the Velma's audition sheets where they brag about how better their vers of the characters are and belittle the ogs. Any thoughts?

I haven't looked at any leaks, out of respect for the creators. No notes, I don't really care that much. All the info I tend to look at is what's officially released. I ignore the discourse surrounding what isn't offically released. Cause like... why should I? LOL

I'm not even sure what youre trying to say, I'm just assuming if I was more familiar with leaks then I'd know /shrug

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[charlies-hotel]

I’m doing a rewatch and I just noticed that the makeup covering Angel’s black eye comes off after he opens up to Husk! It also makes sense within the context of the brawl and implying it came off then. After having just fought alongside one another as equals (eating shit together).

It's a nice detail!

#we love some symbolism #hazbin hotel #huskerdust #angel dust #husk #discussion

[battlekidx2]

I want to elaborate even further on why I think Alastor’s breakdown in the finale was (at least in part) motivated by the fact that he has come to care about the people at the hotel. A few people have responded to me saying they don't believe he actually cares or asking me about my opinions on certain counterarguments against the interpretation that he cares and I figured it would be easier to just make one post in response. (this is just meant to expand on my thoughts. You don't have to agree. That's half the fun of media interpretation.)

The consistent throughline I keep being told is that his breakdown was purely motivated by pride and loss of control and I do think these were massive parts of the breakdown.

Alastor is very aware of the fact that the situation around him is spiraling out of his control. That the notoriety he had cultivated as an unchallengeable overlord is crumbling. His time away allowed the fear he sowed to dull. He keeps coming face to face with beings that rival or surpass his strength. People who wouldn’t dare question him before are banging on his door. His foothold in the world isn’t secure like it once was and that has him reeling.

Alastor's pride is a driving factor in his actions, but, like I said in my last analysis, I think this is only part of it. I think this breakdown is motivated by the fact that he feels like he’s losing control of himself on top of the situation around him.

I'm going to start with the points/questions I've been asked first then expand on my thoughts after.

The first one I was asked about is the interpretation that Alastor was mocking the very idea that he would sacrifice himself for someone else when he says "Great Alastor, altruist, died for his friends." and I think that would work if it wasn't for the visuals paired with this line.

He literally looks like THIS when he is speaking the line. This isn’t the face of someone mocking the very idea that he would do this.

It was actually this shot that convinced me there was some truth to the words he was saying because it looks like he’s beginning to have a breakdown over the fact that this is almost exactly what happened.

The second one that I was asked about was the idea that he was forced to fight and protect Charlie by whoever owns his soul. But if he was forced to fight in this battle due to his contract why not describe it this way when alone? How could he even leave if he was forced to fight and protect the hotel? I doubt there was a caveat that he could leave the fight if he was seriously injured if he was ordered to fight and protect Charlie and the hotel.

I do think he's at the hotel because of whoever owns his soul, but I don't think it's why he fought or why he helped Charlie get Cannibal Town to aid them through his connection to Rosie.

And the last one that I was asked about was the idea that the demons had to be fighting for love like Carmilla said to Vaggie to defeat the angels and the reason Alastor didn't win was because he was fighting purely for his own interests. Freedom, power, and control.

And, while I think the base idea of this is really interesting (This is a genuinely cool idea!) and could challenge Alastor's more selfish motivations, the show itself doesn't really back this up.

Charlie is the literal embodiment of fighting to protect those she cares about-- she has the biggest heart out of anyone at the hotel-- and yet she doesn't defeat anyone in this battle.

Before she faces Adam all she uses is a shield to protect herself and the other residents. She apologizes to those she hits, while Vaggie finishes them off. When she does face Adam she doesn't beat him. She gets in a good hit, but she isn't able to finish him off. She would have been killed if Lucifer didn't step in.

Plus, Alastor's shield killed multiple exorcists before Adam destroyed it, so I don't think this means he hasn't grown to care about the residents of the hotel or that there wasn't some part of him that was fighting to protect them.

Now to expand on my own thoughts now that I've answered the questions I've gotten, it's not just the final battle/fallout that brought me to believe he had come to care about the hotel and its residents.

The show itself seems to want us to think he is starting to grow “accustomed” (In Alastor’s words to Niffty) to the group with little moments that are played straight like when he sends Mimzy (possibly his oldest friend) away, telling her she can stay if she truly wants to try for redemption, but if she just wants to put the hotel in danger then she has to leave.

When he says he believes in Charlie and wants to mentor her in cannibal town. He even gives her his microphone which is a literal extension of himself to help her.

When he talks to Niffty (who he is clearly fond of) and admits he finds the group enjoyable to be around. He says he could grow accustomed to them after Niffty says she really likes them almost in agreement with her.

There is no sinister undertone or hint of the usual facade Alastor puts on in these scenes.

Like I said above I don't think that the fact that Alastor has come to care about the residents is the only factor in his breakdown or the only reason he fought in the first place (Alastor's blatant overconfidence in his fight against Adam makes it clear pride was a factor. That overconfidence is why he lost that battle). It's a combination of multiple things (his pride, loss of control, desire for freedom, etc), but I do think it's a valid reading that it was a part of it considering all the information the show has given us.

This isn't to say I think Alastor is going to melt and be a team player for the hotel from now on. In fact, I think he's going to lash out against this internal change.

Alastor has always put himself first and in the finale he almost died trying to protect this hotel and it's rattled him. It's challenged his entire self-perception. He doesn’t like that it’s being challenged. That he’s losing control of himself on top of the situation around him. So, he doubles down on his initial goals.

I think this internal conflict is fascinating. I wouldn't have written so much about it if I didn't. I genuinely can't wait to see what they do with it in season 2.

If you feel differently feel free to send an ask, message, or respond to this post. I'd love to hear what other people think! Differing views and connections to characters is what makes media so impactful and fun to consume.

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[ghostr0tz]

Bleeding into each other

#is it gay to dance in each others blood? Lets Discuss. #i do it too much but i need to draw them dancing more #hazbin hotel #radiostatic #staticlovetune #staticradio #hazbin vox #my art #vox #vox hazbin hotel #alastor hazbin hotel

[anonymouscheeses]

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*inhales deeply*

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Do you think they call eachother pookie? 🤯

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[nyipi]

Alastor was all over the place in ep 5. I dont know why he was already so pissed off at Lucifer's arrival and so quick to be provoked. Idk if it's a problem with the show's pacing or if it's a hint at the nature of Alastor's disappearance/own soul being under contract. Because the writers DID put this topic at the forefront this episode so i can only assume it's all connected.

My personal take is Lilith has him leashed and Alastor HATES not having his own freedom, and by association he hates the living fuck out of Lucifer. (He doesn't seem to hate Charlie at least or have grown to stand by her dreams)

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel spoilers #lucifer hazbin hotel #charlie morningstar #charlie hazbin hotel #alastor #alastor hazbin hotel #radioapple #obligatory ship tag for reach. would be open to discuss about this show!!!

[lovelybrooke]

You know how I know media literacy is dead?

Because I know that in if in seasons 2 of Hazbin Hotel, Alastor looked at the camera directly and said "I am Aromantic Asexual, I have no attraction to anyone of any gender, sexual or otherwise. I will literally kill you if you try to hit on me." And people will still somehow say that it's not enough evidence.

Like why does Alastor have to say the words with his mouth for ya'll to believe it?? Ya'll are pretty confident that Angel Dust is gay and he's never said it directly (at least from my knowledge). Were none of ya'll taught context clues in school???

We really need to bring back the "why are the curtains blue" discussion...

#alastor aroace #aroace discussion #aroace character #aroace #aromantic character #aromantic #asexual characters #asexuality #asexual #hazbin hotel

[baddieladdie]

Hazbin Hotel Theory:

Alastor's soul is owned by Lilith to look after Charlie

"I'm hungry to freedom like never before. The constraints of my deal surely have a back door. Once I figure out how to unclip my wings, guess who will be pulling all the strings" - Episode 8

"It has been an age since thou hath graced us with thy presence. Some hath spun wild tales of you falling into...holy arms?" - Zestial, Episode 3

Alastor hasn't been seen in hell for 7 years and Charlie mentions she hasn't spoken to her mother in 7 years either (beginning of episode 1).

"Adam is dead. Your deal is done and I'm in charge now. Your brat is threatening the very foundation of heaven. And if you want to stay here, you're going down there and stopping that bitch. You understand me, Lilith?" - Lute, Episode 8

Alastor immediately having beef with Lucifer stepping in to support Charlie. Lucifer's involvement would also reduce the amount of influence Alastor/Lilith could have on Charlie.

This jab in particular during 'Hell's Greatest Dad' stands out to me because Lilith & Lucifer are separated at this point. Maybe Alastor is dissing Lucifer for not being there for Charlie. All the while, Alastor was involved heavily in the Hotel project, even if that was just by Lilith's demands.

Alastor: Well, it looks as though I need a visit to the tailor. Best of luck chums!"

Vaggie: Wait, you're leaving?! Alastor, we need your help. We need you to do your job.

Angel: We need a wall.

Alastor: Of course. Can't let my new project fall into disrepair already! What would the papers say?

This last piece may be a stretch - Alastor is on his way to the tailor but still pauses to fix the hotel. How obligated is Alator to keep the hotel in top condition? (Episode 2)

"So then why do you want to help me if you don't believe in my cause?" - Charlie, Pilot

With that radio scratch, maybe Charlie struck a nerve by asking. Alastor was pretty clear that redemption wasn't possible - the nonexistent humanity. Is 'personal entertainment' a cover-up for being forced to help the hotel?

Given the hierarchy of Hell in the hellaverse, there aren't many who could put Alastor in a place of vulnerability or provide services that he cannot do for himself (strike a deal, then). Lilith would have the power to keep Alastor in bonds and may have a motive in keeping an anonymous eye on her daughter.

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[flintint]

“Radioapple fanchild” oh so Niffty? Were talking about Niffty? You guys mean Niffty?

#hazbin hotel lucifer #radioapple #duckiedeer #fanchild #hazbin hotel discussion #hazbin hotel #alastor #hazbin hotel alastor #lucifer morningstar

[canonicallygay]

he was looking a little dusty

#hazbin hotel #hazbin box #hazbin valentino #staticmoth #voxval #inspired by people on reddit discussing how vox bathes lmao #hannah draws

[viktheviking1]

Been seeing a lot of love for Lucifer's snake form. And don't get me wrong, I love it. It's a classic, and snakes are awesome, but I feel the need to remind everyone just how many different animals he transformed into.

I wanna be able to turn into an octopus during a fight.

(Maybe it's good that I can't. I don't exactly get into fights now, but if I could turn into an octopus, I might start throwing down)

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[diabloku]

Your recent discussions has me looking back at my OCs and wondering if any of them are Ace.

Hold on...

Do Demisexuals count on the spectrum? Got two of those guys.

Bifrons might be ace? Not sure. He might just have a case of oblivious combined with obsessed workaholic. I'll have to contemplate what feels right for his character.

Sorry, you got me thinking about things man

Hey no trouble at all.

Yeah demisexuality is on the asexuality spectrum. :) needing to have a very deep connection with someone before having any attraction or sexual desire for them falls into spectrum.

Then you also have greysexual and ace, and so many more that also fall into the spectrum.

My own demisexual Hellaverse character is Marc. He's also very oblivious since he doesn't get when someone flirts and never flirts back lol. He's still very romantic and is yet waiting for a special someone in his life.

(however life's been a bitch to him so he's also very abrasive)

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[sarahshoots1st]

One detail about Vaggie's character I can't seem to get out of my mind is that she never seems angry about what Lute did to her.

She obviously didn't enjoy the experience, and harbors a lot of resentment towards the exorcists and heaven for the threat they pose to her found family. But I don't recall her ever expressing anger specifically over the loss of her wings/eye.

This is only my speculation, but I believe that deep down she feels she deserves that pain for all the suffering she caused in hell. She views her maiming as karmic judgement for all the lives she ended.

Vaggie is an endlessly selfless character, and in accordance with that I don't think she would let herself dwell on her own pain. Sure, she experienced something traumatic, but how does that compare to the thousands of lives she ended? She seems exactly like the kind of person who would wallow in self-destructive guilt. As Husk astutely points out, a lot of her characterization is wrapped around self-loathing.

While this is by no means a healthy trait, it's a subtle detail that really resonates with me because I too struggle with forgiving myself I think it adds a lot of nuance and depth to her character.

#hazbin hotel discussion #vaggie #hazbin hotel vaggie #hazbin spoilers

[averytirednerd]

About Episodes 7 and 8...MASSIVE SPOILERS!!

Initial thoughts (because if I talk about EVERYTHING right now you'll be here for at least half an hour)...

WHAT THE HELL?!

I mean I loved getting to watch the season finale, don't get me wrong. But I have just as many grievances as things I loved about it and also SO MUCH happened?!?!?!

Charlie: Loved getting to see her be all demon-y, I've been waiting all season. Also loved her and the cannibals (especially Rosie!!!). So glad she got to work w/ Luci to protect the hotel <333 She and Vaggie are adorable too.

Vaggie: I really enjoyed watching her and Carmilla's song, that was cool. Protecting her girlfriend, very cute. I liked seeing her and Lute have that little face-off.

Husk: Sad that we didn't get to see much of him, but I get it. His interactions with the others were sweet (especially Angel). I loved the one line he got to sing on his own in that last song of episode 8. 😍

Angel: Ngl I am very glad he wasn't the one to die. It would've been a fun little "oh crap" moment but I really didn't want to be right. He's still got business down there. His interactions with the others here are everything to me, and he's just grown so much and aaaaaa. It's lovely to see! I love him more and more with every episode.

Niffty: YOU GO, GIRL!!!! Love to see the stabbing. I also really loved the...one line Nifty got. Kimiko Glenn's voice is a gift, I freaked out over getting to hear one line. Anyway. not much else to say other than I definitely thought it was Alastor doing a big "oh look, I'm alive!" thing when Adam got stabbed, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Cherri Bomb/Sir P: I was surprised, to say the least, when Cherri and Sir P had that little moment. Glad they got it before he went and DIED. Cherri is such a good friend to Angel and she's great. Now, onto Sir P...WOW, OKAY. Glad we know Charlie's plan isn't completely stupid. Wonder how Sera's gonna react to him being there now, lol.

The Vees: FIRST OFF, VOX?????? "This is better than sex!" 💀💀💀 Truly was not expecting to see as much of the Vees as we did. Not complaining though. It was...interesting...to say the least, watching Vox get as excited as he did over the prospect of Al dying (still as obsessed as ever, fr). Not at all surprised to see Val and Vox have a thing going, I figured from the interactions we've seen so far. Them dancing together was silly, them practically making out was less so 😃. Also, gotta continue the love for Velvette--putting up with these two idiots must take a lot. Also also, her HAIR! HER HAIR!! EEEEE

Lucifer: I reallllyyyyyy enjoyed seeing Luci make a return to help Charlie, even if it was in one of those "last-minute saves" that I usually hate. Idk, makes sense here I guess because he's probably always watching over Charlie some way. ALSO LUCI AND CHARLIE GOING ALL DEMON-Y TOGETHER WAS <33333333 I really loved him starting off that last song in episode 8, and telling Charlie that he believes in her. It was so sweet. I love Luci sm, hoping he becomes a more integral part of the crew in s2.

Adam/Lute/Lilith: HAHA HOW DOES IT FEEL TO LOSE??? Lute got what she deserved with the whole...arm thing. ALSO WHAT--JUST GONNA CASUALLY DROP LILITH IN HERE NOW? Sure, fine, whatever, totally cool. Not sure how to feel about Lilith atm so moving on. I dunno why I was so shocked upon seeing Adam's face. I guess I expected him to...not look as good as he does? Also so upset that he broke Al's staff. How rude. He sucks.

Rosie: Not how I expected her to sound, but I'm most certainly not disappointed. I don't have much to say other than I loved literally everything about her. No complaints--at least not yet ig, need to go back and rewatch the episodes critically. Her and Alastor is everything to me, and seeing them dance was <333333 I cannot express my excitement over it enough.

Alastor: Saved him for last because yes. If I wasn't limiting myself to a short paragraph for each, I'd be writing a whole essay just about Al, I swear....CANNOT believe what just happened omg. Not only did we get to see silly Al in episode 7, but we got to see scary (and scared) Al in episode 8. He's really freaking out, it's so entertaining! I'm so glad it wasn't him who died, I started getting a bit worried for a minute there....His relationship with Rosie is aaaaa, best of besties fr. Fighting Adam scene was glorious. Making Vox act like an idiot even when not trying was funny to watch (Vox's obsession with this guy is so silly). Him retreating sure was a move, but I'm glad he didn't get all stubborn and end up dying. Him ranting a bit in his section of the final song was so...AAAAAAA. Man is so scared, he looks stressed as can be. I need to see Alastor just have an external breakdown because he honestly feels like he's on the verge of one. 💀

Stopping for now before I go on a bigger rant than I already have. To those who read all this, I'm so sorry pfft. Feel free to leave a comment if there's something you wanna discuss (or, better yet, send one of those ask thingies. I do not have comments figured out yet...)

Anyway, have a good one <3

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