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fishbone2 · 4 months
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tangent101 · 5 months
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Have we gotten Rachel wrong this whole time?
There are plenty of theories about Rachel Amber in the LiS community. Some folks like to think of her as a manipulator who only was out for herself. We have others who think she was deep in love with Chloe and would never cheat on her and everything she did was to get her and Chloe out of Arcadia Bay. It seems like everyone looks at Rachel and sees something new. But… what if we were all wrong? What if Rachel was something else… someone who tried avoiding conflict by talking to people and agreeing with them… and thus everyone saw her as they wanted to see her?
There is actually some evidence toward this in the game. First, Chloe herself points this out, though in a way that is perhaps less than flattering: "She blended like a chameleon. Clearly more than I knew… or wanted to know…." People take this as to Rachel was able to see what makes a person tick and just become the person that someone else wanted… but we can see several people who had a rather negative view of Rachel. So what is it about those people that had a negative viewpoint of Rachel?
First, we have David Madsen, who detested Rachel and saw her as a bad influence and a criminal. He was investigating Rachel and had photographs he felt were of her being a drug mule. Next, we had a truck driver who talked about Rachel really wanting to get out of town. And of course there is Mark Jefferson who also had a… twisted view of Rachel, though it also seems Rachel was so enthralled by Jefferson that she may have been sleeping with him (and both Stella and Victoria seem to be interested in what's going on in Jefferson's pants as well, though I'm not sure why, he's not that charming).
The truth is that Rachel was something other than a manipulative gold-digger or the like. She were a teenage girl who disliked conflict and was adept at listening to people and when talking to them would agree with them? I mean, consider her two breakup letters, one to Frank and one to Chloe? Rachel so wanted to avoid conflict that she left a letter to Frank because he scared her. She did not want a fight. She wanted out. So she left… with a note basically giving her reasons and essentially ending things. (Frank thankfully accepted that.)
Chloe also got a letter. Honestly… given it was all crumpled up, I half-wonder if Chloe had read it while high one time and crumpled it up and forgot about it afterward. But we have a very important line here: I don't want you to hate me. I don't want you to hate me. That's a very interesting thing to say. There is no deliberate malice, this is someone who has found someone else who just rings all those bells but wants to keep the friend aspect. She still wants the laughter, the moments of sharing a glance and both having the same thought, the things she envisions friends do… but to walk away from the sensual intimacy.
Remember what Victoria Chase said to Max in the Dark Room, that she was just a teenage girl? That's Rachel. Rachel Amber was not a seductress or a narcissist or a monster. She was a teenage girl who was avoiding conflict in her life, but in doing so ended up in a shallow grave in a junkyard. Because quiet girls don't make history… they end up used, abused, and discarded. They end up on the rooftops willing to throw themselves to their deaths because no one would listen to them. They end up abandoned because they were not good enough, because they ultimately were not willing to stand up to those who would use them.
Max, before Chloe reentered her life, was one of those quiet girls who ends up used and discarded. The reason folks keep seeing Rachel in Max is because Rachel stayed quiet and let people make up their own minds about her. And they saw in her what they wanted.
Or at least, it's one way to interpret Rachel Amber.
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chloe-caulfield94 · 5 months
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Chloe's reaction to Rachel's and Frank's photograph
Chloe's angry reaction to finding Rachel's and Frank's photographs, especially her angry tirade how everyone in her life keeps letting her down, is brought up as an example of Chloe being self-absorbed and demanding. "Selfish", as she herself would put it in her darkest moment.
But I think her anger in that moment is not only understandable, it is justified.
When I played the game for the first time, I thought that her anger in that moment was caused by jealousy. She found out that the girl she was in love with not only didn't love her back, but was sleeping with (and possibly in love with) someone else.
But now I think her anger was caused by something else. It was anger at seeing the foundations of her life unraveling again, through no fault of her own.
Before William's accident, Chloe was a daddy's girl, straight-As student from the suburbs. Before her father's death it was easy for Chloe to believe that putting effort into building her life made sense and paid off. She tried to be a good daughter, good friend and good student. And those efforts gave fruit - her close relation with her parents, her strong friendship with Max, her academic achievements.
But then William died and Max's parents moved her to Seattle. Despite Chloe's best efforts, her life collapsed, through no fault of her own. The two pillars of her life - family and friendship - were torn down by forces outside of her control. So she didn't bother fighting to keep the last pillar - her academic achievements - standing. Why would she bother? What's the point of building anything if it can be torn down at any moment? She became resigned. She thought her life ended before it even properly began.
But then she started to build again. Her future with Rachel. A fresh start, far beyond Arcadia Bay. How enticing the prospect of beginning anew must have been to someone who thought their life was already over?
When Chloe first floated the idea of skipping town, she didn't really mean it. She just said it to express her negative attitude towards the town that treated her with disdain. But when Rachel took it seriously, Chloe quickly warmed up to the idea too. And soon, that idea became the only thing allowing her to go on. The only thing that she was willing to put effort into. The only thing she was willing to build.
In two days, she fixed up a broken wreck into a working vehicle. She kept tinkering with it, even though it took considerable amount of effort and money (that she never had in abundance, to say the least). Just look at the repair bills in her room. She did that so she and Rachel had the means to leave town.
To leave town and begin anew, especially in a large, expensive city, Chloe and Rachel needed money. Chloe was willing to do anything and everything to scrounge money for their new life together. When Frank offered her a job collecting Drew's debt, Chloe's first thought was that it would be 100 dollars towards skipping town with Rachel. From conversations Chloe has with Max in Season 1 it seems pretty clear that she did many more such jobs for Frank over the years (she said she hung around with Frank for money, but also emphatically denied he was ever one of her "bad boys"). Chloe was willing to become an accomplice to a violent criminal who treated her like shit, just to earn some cash for her escape with Rachel.
It is never clearly explained how her 3000 USD debt to Frank came to be. Perhaps he captured her in a debt spiral, balooning an initially small sum of money by adding outrageous "interest", as criminals like to do. Maybe Frank used the fact that Chloe's depressed mind and body craved weed, a natural anti-depressant, so he kept giving her "little somethings" and putting them on the tab, until it accumulated to a sum large enough he started using his switchblade in attempts to collect.
But given that the bill for Chloe's truck's repairs is almost exactly 3000 dollars, it is possible, if not probable, that she borrowed the money for that exact purpose. Keep in mind that Chloe's truck is fully functional in Season 1. It doesn't look like a vehicle needing 3000 dollars in essential repairs anymore, which would probably render it inoperable.
And Chloe was even willing to pretend to be interested in Nathan, someone who always treated her with disdain and hostility, even when she saved him from bullying and played the matchmaker between him and Samantha. She was willing to pretend to be interested in him just for an opportunity to swipe a couple hundred bucks from his wallet. She bet on Nathan getting drunk. How far would she go if he didn't?
Chloe was willing to put any and all effort to build her future life with Rachel. She fixed up a broken truck specifically so that the two of them would have an escape vehicle. She did odd jobs for a violent criminal to scrounge up money for them. She possibly went heavily into debt with said violent criminal, just to keep the car they needed to escape operational. She was willing to debase herself by pretending to be interested in Nathan, just to swipe a little bit of cash for her and Rachel. And from her perspective, she almost got date raped because of that.
Chloe's commitment to fulfilling Rachel's dream of skipping town was absolute. Her life was based around that dream.
To discover that Rachel never actually intended to leave town with her must have been crushing for Chloe. The dream that she worked so hard for, that she suffered for, that she swallowed her pride for, turned out to be a lie. Rachel would never skip town with her. The chance for a new life, for a fresh start somewhere else, turned out to be a mirage. Once again, her life collapsed. The construction she had put great effort into once again was torn down, through no fault of her own, because of actions of other people that were outside her control.
When Chloe asks why didn't Rachel tell her about Frank, Max responds "because she knew how you would react". Max doesn't know the ins and outs of Chloe's and Rachel's friendship. She probably also thought, like I did initially, that Chloe was just being jealous about a girl she had a crush on. So Max thought Rachel kept quiet about Frank, because she didn't want Chloe to throw a jealous fit.
But that's not what Chloe meant. Chloe didn't ask why Rachel didn't tell her she was taken. Chloe asked why didn't Rachel tell her she wasn't actually going to leave town with her. Why did she keep her hanging on? Why didn't she realease her from the mesmerizing promise of a better tomorrow if she knew it was a lie? Why did she allow Chloe to live in a lie for years?
Chloe's anger is not jealousy. It's the anger of someone who just found out that the only thing keeping them going on was a lie. That once again, everything she'd built was torn down by someone else. Yes, if Rachel ever told her about Frank, Chloe would've been angry. Because Rachel should've told her that she wasn't actually going to leave town. Not with her. She should've released Chloe from the hold she had over her, instead of letting her build something condemned from the start.
Chloe's words about Rachel "betraying her" and "not being much of a friend, just another person shitting on her" are harsh. But how would you call promising someone hopeless a better tomorrow, a future together and then taking such a gift back?
I don't think that Rachel wanted to hurt Chloe. Just like I would never think Max wanted to hurt Chloe by not writing letters, not calling and not responding to texts. I think that for the first few months after William's death Max had no idea how to comfort a friend with a dead dad. And after that she was ashamed of her silence and assumed Chloe had moved on.
But sometimes people end up hurting others even if that wasn't their intention, especially if they hurt them with indifference. Maybe Rachel thought Chloe would get the hint and realize their joint escape from town was no longer on the table on her own. Maybe she thought it was none of Chloe's business who she was dating. But no matter what motivated her, she did hurt Chloe. Unfortunately, unlike Max, she never got the chance to make up for that hurt to her friend.
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arcadiabaytornado · 5 months
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Thoughts on Frank Bowers? Do you think he groomed Rachel since they were together when she was underage? Do you think Rachel actually loved him or was just using him for drugs/money for Chloe and herself?
I do think grooming was involved just from the way he interacts with Chloe during Before The Storm. While I don't think Frank was grooming Chloe sexually, he was using the promise of cash and the weight of debts to put her in dangerous situations that a grown man shouldn't be putting teenagers in. While we don't get a chance to see him interact with Rachel more than giving her eyes at the junkyard, the fact that he has a track record of convincing teenage girls to do stuff for him doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling in regards to Rachel and Frank's relationship.
Though honestly, regardless if Frank was grooming Rachel or if their relationship was more a "spur of the moment" thing, it's still inappropriate for a fifteen-year-old to be with a twenty-eight-year-old, no matter how you look at it. And even if we're giving an insanely good faith reading toward Frank and assume that they didn't get together until she was eighteen, that still means he was waiting for an underage girl to be legal so he could make a move on her. For my own sanity, I'm hoping that I don't need to explain why that's weird.
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As for Rachel, I do think she cared about Frank, and that's the tragedy of it all. She gave him her Mother's bracelet, and if you picked certain choices in Before The Storm, that means she took the "promise we'll leave" bracelet from Chloe and gave it to someone else. That isn't a small deal. That's something you do when you care a lot. Plus, Chloe's anger comes from seeing the stuff in the RV and knowing Rachel cared about Frank enough for it to be a betrayal.
Maybe Rachel did manipulate Frank slightly by seeing him as someone who could take her to LA, but I think two things can be true at once. I tend to believe that Rachel thought Frank's was convenient to a certain level while also caring about him.
That care is a big part of the reason why Rachel is so tragic. She never got old and wise enough to figure out that her "relationships" with Frank and Mark were messed up. She died in that youthful mindset of "Well, I'm mature for my age," instead of having the chance to wake up in a cold sweat in her thirties as she realize how fucked up everything was. So I do think Rachel cared about Frank, but I say that with a heavy heart because she never got the chance to look back and see disgust instead of passion.
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pricefieldizcanon · 4 months
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Max protects her precious Chloe from Frank ❤️🥺
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Max didn't even hesitate to pull the trigger to defend her lover from Frank. It's beautiful protective Max is of Chloe and vice versa. ❤️
GIFs made by me.
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whatsjulietslastname · 2 months
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Actually, Rachel was being groomed no matter if she was 18, no matter if she ‘knew what she was doing’, no matter if she was ‘manipulating Frank’, no matter if he ‘waited until she was an adult’, because he had power over her being her dealer and way older than her and also what she saw as her key to leave Arcadia Bay (we all know that was what she wanted the most at time). Also, a grown ass man waiting for you to be an adult until he can jump you doesn’t make the relationship okay, it’s just even weirder. Same goes to Jefferson btw but I think it’s useless to precise it at this point. Hope that helps! :)
(Please stop hating on Rachel I’m tired)
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rainboq · 11 months
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Arcadia is Burning
Summary:
With her life in cinders following her parents' bitter divorce, Rachel finds herself torn away from the sun and surf of Long Beach and dragged into the rainy forests of Oregon; dumped by her dad in a little town called Arcadia Bay in the ass end of nowhere to attend a boarding school named Blackwell Academy. Confused and hurt by her sudden exile, Rachel turns to The Vortex Club, run by the cream of the school, and theatre to keep herself busy. Embedding herself with the eldest son of town's preeminent family, Nathan Prescott, in the process. At least one girl, a local firebrand struggling with the sudden death of her father, Chloe Price, seems to promise a reprieve from the constant boredom as she drinks her way from party to party, skipping class and getting in fights. She just needs to find a way to get her to notice her. But not all in Arcadia Bay is as it seems. A trusted friend today could be your worst nightmare tomorrow, memories are long, and there's not much of anything but forest and the ocean for miles in every direction. There's nowhere to run from her problems, precious little to distract her, and trying to keep them under control will only cause them to build and build... Until they consume her.
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Embers flicker in the air around her.
Tiny pinpricks of winking incandescence floating in place.
Her hands reach out but the lights dance away from her touch.
Will o’ the wisps slipping between her fingers and flowing around her arms.
She reaches for purchase.
To grasp and hold.
Rachel falls.
Tumbling into an ocean of lights below.
Warm and cold, young and old, blue and gold.
She falls into the space between their indifferent glow.
The lights show her no truth.
They give her no empathy.
They exist in their multitudes but none react to her.
Tumbling through their spaces, she reaches out for them again. 
Desperately trying to touch their glow and feel their warmth.
A blue light shimmers as she draws near, dancing agonizingly close to her touch.
She flails forward, trying to touch it, her fingers managing the barest graze.
Warmth fills her as she holds it tight.
An agonizing, burning hotness as they float away again and she falls below the cluster.
With nothing but the fire in her veins and the blue glow in her hands.
The air turns to flame as they tumble.
Art by the ever delightful @patchodraws!
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Kate: What is the proper way to deal with a guy annoying you?
Chloe: A knife.
Max: No!
Nathan: Two knives?
Max: No.
Frank: Three knives?
Max: No...
Rachel: You guys are savages.
Max: Finally! Someone with common sense-
Rachel: The proper way is an untraceable poison.
Max: ...You're all insane.
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Friendly reminder that Rachel never cheated because her and chloe were not official. Rachel was free to do what she wanted. Yes she should have told Chloe about Frank and Jefferson, but it makes total sense for her not to. Jefferson probably told her that she wasn’t allowed to tell anyone. With Frank I honestly believe that she was seeing him to find a way out of Arcadia. Rachel was just a teenager, she made mistakes but she’s not some super villain. She did love Chloe, she screwed up, but she did love chloe, she wasn’t just using her.
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rachelambrr · 1 year
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how people perceive rachel amber
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nllick · 3 days
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I didn't feel like posting this anywhere else but I changed my mind.
Damon Merrick
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dalekofchaos · 18 days
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Life Is Strange Before The Storm fancast
My Life Is Strange fancast
LIS 2 fancast
LIS TC Fancast
Sophie Thatcher as Chloe Price
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Kristine Froseth as Rachel Amber
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Austin Abrams as Nathan Prescott
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Reneé Rap as Victoria Chase
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Carson Rowland as Eliot Hampden
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Kaitlyn Dever as Steph Gingrich
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Shameik Moore as Drew North
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Miles Brown as Mikey North
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Angourie Rice as Samantha Myers
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Aaron Eckhart as William Price
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Robin Wright as Joyce Price
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David Harbour as David Madsen
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Ving Rhames as Principal Raymond Wells
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Yvette Nicole Brown as Michelle Grant
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Douglas M. Griffin as Samuel Taylor
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Mischa Collins as Skip Matthews
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Mark Hamill as Travis Keaton
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Norman Reedus as Frank Bowers
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Bryan Cranston as Sean Prescott
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Jon Hamm as James Amber
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Neve Campbell as Rose Amber
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Rosamund Pike as Sera Gearhardt
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Jon Bernthal as Damon Merrick
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thepricebechloe · 10 months
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Is it me or did I miss something in the ending of Before the Storm? It feels weird to me that for 2 and a half years, Chloe and Rachel didn't try to leave Arcadia Bay again. I know Chloe was still having doubts of leaving the town; but Rachel really seemed so fixated. So much that if Rachel wasn't stab in the junkyard by Damon, they would have actually left.
Chloe's truck was still running years later, they had months to get money for the travel, and as far as the game showed, Frank is the only one who knew about their junkyard hideout.
Also, why would Rachel have a relationship with Frank?
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chloe-caulfield94 · 6 months
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Bay Max as a modern-day sin-eater
Sin-eating was a religious ritual practiced in various times and places, including the 17th and 18th century British countryside. The ritual was performed shortly after a person’s death. A piece of bread was placed on the body of the deceased, to absorb the sins they committed throughout their life. The bread was later eaten by a person designated to be the sin-eater. The purpose of this was to free the deceased from the burden of their own sins, so that they could go to heaven. But the burden of their evil deeds would not be lost. It would instead be transferred to the sin-eater, who would have to answer for someone else’s sins upon their death.
I can’t help but see Bay Max sacrificing Chloe as Max acting in the role of a sin-eater, consuming the many sins of the dwellers of Arcadia Bay.
I think the discussion surrounding the question if Max is responsible for the coming of the Storm misses one important fact – Max rewinding time to save Chloe from being murdered on Monday was just a last link in a long chain of events. Max only reacted to things that had been in motion for years.
The seed of the Storm is not Max’s noble instinct to save a stranger’s life. The seeds of the Storm are the sins of the dwellers of Arcadia Bay.
Mark Jefferson choosing to derive sick pleasure from the suffering of others.
Nathan Prescott choosing to become an accomplice in Jefferson’s crimes.
Nathan Prescott acquiring such a taste for Jefferson’s repulsive “art” that he chose to perform photo sessions of his own, with Rachel and Chloe as his models. Nathan choosing to attempt a photo session with Chloe even after he overdosed Rachel, clearly not bothered by the possibility of overdosing another girl.
Frank Bowers selling drugs to underage school kids. Frank selling sedatives to a teenage boy known for violent outbursts, even though anyone with half a brain would suspect he needs them to date rape someone.
Victoria Chase, witnessing something that any rational observer would deem to be a date rape in progress, but instead of putting a stop to it, choosing to laugh and record. Victoria choosing to lie that Kate got herself drunk, even though she knew Nathan “hooked up” Kate with “good shit”.
Principal Wells choosing to sweep Nathan’s violent outbursts under the rug, in exchange for bribes.
ABPD officers taking bribes from Sean Prescott to look the other way when Nathan peddled drugs at school.
Hatred, disdain for others, cruelty, callousness. Over the years, they accumulated and created a perfect storm. A storm which could be stopped. But it required two things:
Firstly, a sacrifice in the form of a girl who never chose to hurt someone else, but who often chose to hurt herself. And who was willing to choose to hurt herself that one final time. Chloe was called upon by cruel fate to serve as this sacrifice.
Secondly, a sin-eater who would accept the crushing weight of all that evil on her shoulders. Who would carry the incomprehensibly heavy burden of the sins of others for the rest of her life. Max was chosen by cruel fate to perform that task.
Should Max choose to willingly consume the sins of Arcadia Bay, the town would be spared. Nathan and Sean Prescott, Frank and principal Wells would live. Victoria, Steph and Mikey would continue their lives, without tasting the bitterness of loss. Unaware that Max is carrying on her shoulders the grief and sorrow they should be experiencing. And Max would be left wondering what could’ve been if she hadn’t taken her love and friendship back at the last moment.
Why would anyone choose to become a sin-eater? In the times and places where that ritual was practiced, was being a sin-eater a respectable calling? Where people like that appreciated for their utmost sacrifice?
No! Sin-eaters were recruited exclusively from among those most reviled by society. Almost always they were beggars, so desperate in their poverty that they were willing to damn their souls in exchange for a dirty six pence coin and a piece of bread. Because with an empty stomach now, it’s very difficult to think about what comes in the afterlife. There was no gratitude, only disdain for the sin-eaters of old. Just like there would be no gratitude for Max, who would have to suffer in silence for the rest of her days.
Why would Max trade her very soul for a dirty six pence coin? At the moment she makes her final choice, she’s already the richest person in her world. Because in her hands, she holds the greatest treasure that anyone can ever discover – love.
By going back to Monday and erasing the events of the week, Max would simultaneously:
Discard the greatest treasure – love.
Accept on her shoulders the most crushing of burdens – the sins of other people.
Why would anyone choose such a fate?
I know that the theme of innocents suffering to expiate the sins of others is present in many cultures. We are conditioned to see it as something noble. But I can’t see it that way.
If I did something truly evil, something deserving of a punishment, the last thing I would want would be for someone innocent to suffer that punishment for me. That wouldn’t wash away my sin. It would make it much, much worse. My guilty conscience wouldn’t be relieved. It would torment me twice as hard. There’s a saying attributed to emperor Justinian the Great, that it is better for someone guilty to walk free than for someone innocent to be punished. The thought of someone innocent being punished for the sins of others offends my sense of right and wrong on a fundamental level.
I find nothing noble or heroic about two teenage girls being punished for the evil of others. The mere thought of it I find revolting.
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arcadiabaytornado · 10 months
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(Context: She’s talking about Frank if Max tries to shoot him.) 
I love the mental image of Frank jumping at every noise because he’s worried that Max “Ready For The Mosh Shaka Brah” Caulfield is after him.
Though on a serious character note, it makes sense why this encounter shakes him so deeply.
Frank is a rough guy who's interacted with people like Damon, and even if you brush off "Before The Storm" as not canon, it's hard not to imagine that someone like Frank has had a few run in's with scary people. 
That’s likely why he felt emboldened to threaten Chloe in the junkyard. He’s dealt with people much more terrifying and didn’t think twice about pulling a weapon on two young girls. Foolishly, he assumed he was the biggest fish. 
It didn’t cross his mind that Max was going to whip out a gun, and even when she does he still thinks she’s bluffing. He makes the mistake of trying to take it and is shocked when Max actually pulls the trigger. Which could have killed him if the weapon had any bullets left. 
His possible murderer wasn’t going to be an enraged customer or a drug dealer trying to take over the business in Arcadia Bay. It was going to be a young girl who looks like she couldn’t hurt a fly.
That’s what shakes him. Facing someone so incredibly dangerous and not realizing it until it was almost too late. You’d think almost getting shot would make him learn his lesson and he’d be more careful during the RV confrontation, but all he really learns is that Max is a threat. Not that ANYONE could be dangerous if he pushed the wrong buttons. 
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dystopicbrain · 2 years
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sean prescott’s conversation with a psychiatrist concerned about nathan’s mental health.
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